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Losing MMR
No, it all depends on who you win and lose against.. if you lose against a team with a lower Mmr than you then you lose more and so on, maybe Anet should show the Average MMr of each team so people can better grasp this concept. When I play in normal peak hours my wins and losses wash out since I am being paired with similar Mmr teams so it’s very small deviation where I win maybe 11-15 Mmr and lose the same
Well first off rating and MMR are different, although complimentary. As far as rating, ive seen people in P2 lose anywhere from 15-25 per match so id say you are on the high end of normal. I am winning losing 15-20 per match in G3/P1. How much are youawarded for winning?
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No, it all depends on who you win and lose against.. if you lose against a team with a lower Mmr than you then you lose more and so on, maybe Anet should show the Average MMr of each team so people can better grasp this concept. When I play in normal peak hours my wins and losses wash out since I am being paired with similar Mmr teams so it’s very small deviation where I win maybe 11-15 Mmr and lose the same
I dont like when people say this, when Darek was number 1 on the leader board i faced him twice and i know for certain i lost 18 on 1 of them. I am some gold 3-platinum 2 player and the teams i was on had no chance of winning.
So him losing 50 from 1900 hurts alot just like me losing potentially 36 from 2 losses against teams i had no chance of winning against. Yet it will take both of us 5-8 wins to get back what we lost in the 2 matches.
No, it all depends on who you win and lose against.. if you lose against a team with a lower Mmr than you then you lose more and so on, maybe Anet should show the Average MMr of each team so people can better grasp this concept. When I play in normal peak hours my wins and losses wash out since I am being paired with similar Mmr teams so it’s very small deviation where I win maybe 11-15 Mmr and lose the same
I dont like when people say this, when Darek was number 1 on the leader board i faced him twice and i know for certain i lost 18 on 1 of them. I am some gold 3-platinum 2 player and the teams i was on had no chance of winning.
So him losing 50 from 1900 hurts alot just like me losing potentially 36 from 2 losses against teams i had no chance of winning against. Yet it will take both of us 5-8 wins to get back what we lost in the 2 matches.
Yes you may have faced him and so on but you are only thinking of the individual Mmr not of the Team Average, everything is determined by the two teams average Ratings, nothing more nothing less, potentially the closer the average of each team the better and same with the closer the Mmr of each player the better, but it all falls down to the average of each team so even if a pro league player is on one team the average of each team won’t be too far off. Caveat if playin during off peak hours the disparity is exponentially higher due to lack of population queuing so the system puts teams together and they may not be close averages but that isn’t a problem of the system.
That’s the issue then. It shouldn’t be like, “Oh, their average MMR is lower than your MMR, so you lose 25 MMR.” They could have some beasts on their team. I know my enemy team did…
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That’s the issue then. It shouldn’t be like, “Oh, their average MMR is lower than your MMR, so you lose 25 MMR.” They could have some beasts on their team. I know my enemy team did…
Doesn’t matter the average is the average they had equally worse players on their team to compensate. And if you go off of what most people complaining about the system on these forums say no one can carry a match Solo, so that shouldn’t be a problem..
No, it all depends on who you win and lose against.. if you lose against a team with a lower Mmr than you then you lose more and so on, maybe Anet should show the Average MMr of each team so people can better grasp this concept. When I play in normal peak hours my wins and losses wash out since I am being paired with similar Mmr teams so it’s very small deviation where I win maybe 11-15 Mmr and lose the same
I dont like when people say this, when Darek was number 1 on the leader board i faced him twice and i know for certain i lost 18 on 1 of them. I am some gold 3-platinum 2 player and the teams i was on had no chance of winning.
So him losing 50 from 1900 hurts alot just like me losing potentially 36 from 2 losses against teams i had no chance of winning against. Yet it will take both of us 5-8 wins to get back what we lost in the 2 matches.
Yes you may have faced him and so on but you are only thinking of the individual Mmr not of the Team Average, everything is determined by the two teams average Ratings, nothing more nothing less, potentially the closer the average of each team the better and same with the closer the Mmr of each player the better, but it all falls down to the average of each team so even if a pro league player is on one team the average of each team won’t be too far off. Caveat if playin during off peak hours the disparity is exponentially higher due to lack of population queuing so the system puts teams together and they may not be close averages but that isn’t a problem of the system.
He was duo queing with another person i assume in the top 50.
I friended 2 people on my team to see there ratings and later unfriended them. ( i saw the crazy builds they were playing and thought whaaa in platinum)
So he was over 2000 and i was right at 1700, the 2 people on my team were under 1600.
At that point i can say i dont believe what you are selling. I dont know the other 2 players MMR but we lost 500-40. The next time i played it it was much closer like 500-300 but it doesnt change anything.
If what you are saying is true then Anet should be showing us both teams MMR. There is a reason they dont.
No, it all depends on who you win and lose against.. if you lose against a team with a lower Mmr than you then you lose more and so on, maybe Anet should show the Average MMr of each team so people can better grasp this concept. When I play in normal peak hours my wins and losses wash out since I am being paired with similar Mmr teams so it’s very small deviation where I win maybe 11-15 Mmr and lose the same
I dont like when people say this, when Darek was number 1 on the leader board i faced him twice and i know for certain i lost 18 on 1 of them. I am some gold 3-platinum 2 player and the teams i was on had no chance of winning.
So him losing 50 from 1900 hurts alot just like me losing potentially 36 from 2 losses against teams i had no chance of winning against. Yet it will take both of us 5-8 wins to get back what we lost in the 2 matches.
Yes you may have faced him and so on but you are only thinking of the individual Mmr not of the Team Average, everything is determined by the two teams average Ratings, nothing more nothing less, potentially the closer the average of each team the better and same with the closer the Mmr of each player the better, but it all falls down to the average of each team so even if a pro league player is on one team the average of each team won’t be too far off. Caveat if playin during off peak hours the disparity is exponentially higher due to lack of population queuing so the system puts teams together and they may not be close averages but that isn’t a problem of the system.
He was duo queing with another person i assume in the top 50.
I friended 2 people on my team to see there ratings and later unfriended them. ( i saw the crazy builds they were playing and thought whaaa in platinum)
So he was over 2000 and i was right at 1700, the 2 people on my team were under 1600.
At that point i can say i dont believe what you are selling. I dont know the other 2 players MMR but we lost 500-40. The next time i played it it was much closer like 500-300 but it doesnt change anything.
If what you are saying is true then Anet should be showing us both teams MMR. There is a reason they dont.
And that’s what I just said was to show both teams Mmr…. and if averages are still averages if they are close to each other then technically both have similar victory chances or closer chances. But taking what anyone says on the forum without context is next to useless. Was your example during peak? Off peak? Where’s the proof? Some many things are omitted that really know one can accurately say anything. Especially when you don’t know everyone’s Mmr on either team to even get a approximation of the two Teams average Mmr.
I am just telling you how the system works, also if they were Duo Queued and you didn’t have a Duo Queu your team would have had the Higher Average Mmr since that’s how the system works, punishes players that Queue together by placing them against teams stack higher Mmr.
No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
Off peak does explain the huge differences in losses and wins since the player pool is so small during those times the system struggles to balance teams one side can be grossly lopsided. Also there are lots of forum pics showing 1-1-1-1-1 teams dominating 2-2-1 teams interesting how that works. the system punishes Duo Queues as stated by Devs. My “generalities” are back by Dev statements yours are not.
No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
Off peak does explain the huge differences in losses and wins since the player pool is so small during those times the system struggles to balance teams one side can be grossly lopsided. Also there are lots of forum pics showing 1-1-1-1-1 teams dominating 2-2-1 teams interesting how that works. the system punishes Duo Queues as stated by Devs. My “generalities” are back by Dev statements yours are not.
Im taking into account my games and the other peoples comments.
For instance on the thread from a top 5 player. Multiple people from the top 10 said they only duo que.
In the thread about God of PvP is a joke they duo que.
Ive been saying that in all your statements that even though Anet says thats the case for Match Making. It isnt true and you cant say these things to make your argument.
You might as well be the tobacco industry in the 70’s saying Cigarettes are not bad for you. Any you being a enabler agreeing with them because they say something and why would they lie?
They use to show us players PvP levels, they use to show us other players ranks. Its pretty obvious why we cant see anything anymore and why all the top players have 75% + win rates.
No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
Off peak does explain the huge differences in losses and wins since the player pool is so small during those times the system struggles to balance teams one side can be grossly lopsided. Also there are lots of forum pics showing 1-1-1-1-1 teams dominating 2-2-1 teams interesting how that works. the system punishes Duo Queues as stated by Devs. My “generalities” are back by Dev statements yours are not.
Im taking into account my games and the other peoples comments.
For instance on the thread from a top 5 player. Multiple people from the top 10 said they only duo que.
In the thread about God of PvP is a joke they duo que.
Ive been saying that in all your statements that even though Anet says thats the case for Match Making. It isnt true and you cant say these things to make your argument.
You might as well be the tobacco industry in the 70’s saying Cigarettes are not bad for you. Any you being a enabler agreeing with them because they say something and why would they lie?
They use to show us players PvP levels, they use to show us other players ranks. Its pretty obvious why we cant see anything anymore and why all the top players have 75% + win rates.
Yeah and the top players are better than the majority of the PvP population your point being? They duo because they would rather limit the randomness and actually play the game competitively and do what it takes to place high, funny how that works they probably don’t have to Duo Queue it’s just stupid not to…
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There is definitely something fishy going on when I see people post screenshots of each member of the match’s mmr and there’s a wild imbalance between the two, esp. if there are 2 duo queues on one team and just moving one of the duos over would result in a better balance.
I remember one time (a few years ago) someone posted a similar problem with the match maker and how it distributed ratings unevenly which ANet denied at first then went back again to look and said “Yep it actually does do that, sorry we’ll fix it”
Maybe it’s the same sort of problem.
They did solve the issue of queue times, but at the cost of people potentially not having teammates remotely near their MMR x__X
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No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
Off peak does explain the huge differences in losses and wins since the player pool is so small during those times the system struggles to balance teams one side can be grossly lopsided. Also there are lots of forum pics showing 1-1-1-1-1 teams dominating 2-2-1 teams interesting how that works. the system punishes Duo Queues as stated by Devs. My “generalities” are back by Dev statements yours are not.
Im taking into account my games and the other peoples comments.
For instance on the thread from a top 5 player. Multiple people from the top 10 said they only duo que.
In the thread about God of PvP is a joke they duo que.
Ive been saying that in all your statements that even though Anet says thats the case for Match Making. It isnt true and you cant say these things to make your argument.
You might as well be the tobacco industry in the 70’s saying Cigarettes are not bad for you. Any you being a enabler agreeing with them because they say something and why would they lie?
They use to show us players PvP levels, they use to show us other players ranks. Its pretty obvious why we cant see anything anymore and why all the top players have 75% + win rates.
Yeah and the top players are better than the majority of the PvP population your point being? They duo because they would rather limit the randomness and actually play the game competitively and do what it takes to place high, funny how that works they probably don’t have to Duo Queue it’s just stupid not to…
You do realize you just wrote in the comment before this one that Anet punishes DUO QUE PLAYERS. Then you write about how its dumb to NOT DUO QUE.
Thats backwards thinking and then you spent all this time trying to explain that the matches are close to even.
You even point out that the Pro’s are so much better which once again goes back to my first statement. Why did i lose 18 points in a match i had no chance in? When my team mates MMR was over 200 pts lower then mine and im 300 points lower then the other 2 ranked players?
Also the win % is nothing i have multiple friends with 20 win -10 losses 20 wins 8 losses and there rank is under 1600 which once again brings up the system and match making.
They did solve the issue of queue times, but at the cost of people potentially not having teammates remotely near their MMR x__X
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No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
Off peak does explain the huge differences in losses and wins since the player pool is so small during those times the system struggles to balance teams one side can be grossly lopsided. Also there are lots of forum pics showing 1-1-1-1-1 teams dominating 2-2-1 teams interesting how that works. the system punishes Duo Queues as stated by Devs. My “generalities” are back by Dev statements yours are not.
Im taking into account my games and the other peoples comments.
For instance on the thread from a top 5 player. Multiple people from the top 10 said they only duo que.
In the thread about God of PvP is a joke they duo que.
Ive been saying that in all your statements that even though Anet says thats the case for Match Making. It isnt true and you cant say these things to make your argument.
You might as well be the tobacco industry in the 70’s saying Cigarettes are not bad for you. Any you being a enabler agreeing with them because they say something and why would they lie?
They use to show us players PvP levels, they use to show us other players ranks. Its pretty obvious why we cant see anything anymore and why all the top players have 75% + win rates.
Yeah and the top players are better than the majority of the PvP population your point being? They duo because they would rather limit the randomness and actually play the game competitively and do what it takes to place high, funny how that works they probably don’t have to Duo Queue it’s just stupid not to…
You do realize you just wrote in the comment before this one that Anet punishes DUO QUE PLAYERS. Then you write about how its dumb to NOT DUO QUE.
Thats backwards thinking and then you spent all this time trying to explain that the matches are close to even.
You even point out that the Pro’s are so much better which once again goes back to my first statement. Why did i lose 18 points in a match i had no chance in? When my team mates MMR was over 200 pts lower then mine and im 300 points lower then the other 2 ranked players?
Also the win % is nothing i have multiple friends with 20 win -10 losses 20 wins 8 losses and there rank is under 1600 which once again brings up the system and match making.
Yeah I did say that want to know why it’s dumb not to Duo Queue? It’s called communication and coordination more times than not having players able to communicate properly and coordinate surpasses the Mmr boost they are given especially if the players are anywhere near competent at the game mode… oh my god logic….
And what if the Mmr of the other 3 teammates on your team? If the averages are lower you lose more it doesn’t matter about your rating only the averages of the teams. Also try to back your claims with proof it builds a better argument.
And where did I bring up w/l ratio? I didn’t not once. Don’t know what you are trying to prove there.
No you are not saying how the system works, you are saying how you think it works.
When you have 2 players with MMR at around 4,000 and then 3 players at less then 4700.
Without knowing the rest and taking the final score into account no its a issue.
Also bringing in peak times/off peaks has nothing to do with +/- of the winning and losing of matches.
We both agree that both teams MMR should be shown but you are trying to explain something with generalities that are not even true.
There were many forum pics of 2-2-1 teams dominating 1-1-1-1-1 teams so even your last sentences are only assumed and not factual.
Off peak does explain the huge differences in losses and wins since the player pool is so small during those times the system struggles to balance teams one side can be grossly lopsided. Also there are lots of forum pics showing 1-1-1-1-1 teams dominating 2-2-1 teams interesting how that works. the system punishes Duo Queues as stated by Devs. My “generalities” are back by Dev statements yours are not.
Im taking into account my games and the other peoples comments.
For instance on the thread from a top 5 player. Multiple people from the top 10 said they only duo que.
In the thread about God of PvP is a joke they duo que.
Ive been saying that in all your statements that even though Anet says thats the case for Match Making. It isnt true and you cant say these things to make your argument.
You might as well be the tobacco industry in the 70’s saying Cigarettes are not bad for you. Any you being a enabler agreeing with them because they say something and why would they lie?
They use to show us players PvP levels, they use to show us other players ranks. Its pretty obvious why we cant see anything anymore and why all the top players have 75% + win rates.
Yeah and the top players are better than the majority of the PvP population your point being? They duo because they would rather limit the randomness and actually play the game competitively and do what it takes to place high, funny how that works they probably don’t have to Duo Queue it’s just stupid not to…
You do realize you just wrote in the comment before this one that Anet punishes DUO QUE PLAYERS. Then you write about how its dumb to NOT DUO QUE.
Thats backwards thinking and then you spent all this time trying to explain that the matches are close to even.
You even point out that the Pro’s are so much better which once again goes back to my first statement. Why did i lose 18 points in a match i had no chance in? When my team mates MMR was over 200 pts lower then mine and im 300 points lower then the other 2 ranked players?
Also the win % is nothing i have multiple friends with 20 win -10 losses 20 wins 8 losses and there rank is under 1600 which once again brings up the system and match making.
Yeah I did say that want to know why it’s dumb not to Duo Queue? It’s called communication and coordination more times than not having players able to communicate properly and coordinate surpasses the Mmr boost they are given especially if the players are anywhere near competent at the game mode… oh my god logic….
And what if the Mmr of the other 3 teammates on your team? If the averages are lower you lose more it doesn’t matter about your rating only the averages of the teams. Also try to back your claims with proof it builds a better argument.
And where did I bring up w/l ratio? I didn’t not once. Don’t know what you are trying to prove there.
Read your very first comment please,
You are literally just saying Anet said this is how it works and then repeating it to me. Ive already posted on the forum the match i had with him and questioned match making.
I lost 18 from that match against at the time the number 1 ranked player with a Duo partner. They were clearly the best players and i have never gotten a +18 in any win.
What im trying to say is your comment about the drop and raise in rating is incorrect. I pointed out your comment on duo queing was wrong. You simply say Anet says and use that to answer peoples questions when they dont make any sense.
I dont feel like reposting every picture on the forum multiple times so we can actually debate it.
Lastly you are simply trying to quote Anet on your view of how the system works when thats clearly not how it works. So until Anet post team MMR you dont have a foot to stand on and neither do they which is the point.
I am not saying there aren’t flaws, but by your own admission you have did not have all the information only the information on three players in the match since the top two spots only have 12 games played, which means you most likely played them while they were in their placement matches which more than likely means you don’t know the Rating they had when you faced them.
And again you have no proof that they don’t place Duo Queues against higher average rated teams.
All you are doubting right now making claims without the information to back them saying it’s not working, this is why they need to make all Ratings visible so there is more transparency and we can keep Anet accountable for their Matchmaking if there is a problem, but again I am not making claims without all the satay just relaying how the system is supposed to work.
Having the Dev posts stating how their system works is more than the partial amecdotal evidence you have. All I’m saying is get all the information you can before making claims since burden of proof is on you to prove something is wrong.
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