Guild Wars 2

If this actually works, then leagues are indeed quite messed up.

It works yes. Leagues needs a complete rework tho, its so kittened up right now.

This should be reportable as exploiting the system or purposefully ruining the experience of others, although the problem is how would you know if somebody is deliberately sabotaging a game.

It’s kinda funny that people put the effort and time to lower there rank and to come to “elo hell”. Just to get higher in divisions. Put that time to play instead and you should climb faster.

Why the hell would someone do something like this? Shouldn’t be they playing for the fun in first case? Can’t believe people are that s.tupid

Klangy.8293:

It’s kinda funny that people put the effort and time to lower there rank and to come to “elo hell”. Just to get higher in divisions. Put that time to play instead and you should climb faster.

To climb in divisions, you need win streaks and the game tries to prevent you as much as possible from doing this. Lowering your MMR to get weaker opponents is the easiest way to get win streaks.

Miyu.8137:

Why the hell would someone do something like this? Shouldn’t be they playing for the fun in first case? Can’t believe people are that s.tupid

For some people the fun part is the division climbing. And the best way to achieve it, is to lower your MMR intentionally. At least with this system.
Yes quite kittened up system from anet. Why can’t they just do it like all other esports games…
They want to be the special snowflake i guess. Stupid anet

I realy have the feeling people on the forul never played pvp based games like dota,lol,…
You realy don’t want to end up in elo hell!
It might be faster now but in 2to3 months you’ll regret dropping mmr having to get out of that hell when the dust has settled and matchmaking finaly kinda works guys gonplay lol or somerhing and learn how this works little crybabies

What this guy before me said. Enjoy elo hell. As climbing in divisions. Only The 2 first then u lose tier aswell. But yea. If u have over 50% winrate u climb. If you dont have, you have to high mmr anyway..

MrTree.4890:

I realy have the feeling people on the forul never played pvp based games like dota,lol,…
You realy don’t want to end up in elo hell!
It might be faster now but in 2to3 months you’ll regret dropping mmr having to get out of that hell when the dust has settled and matchmaking finaly kinda works guys gonplay lol or somerhing and learn how this works little crybabies

You don’t get it. It’s not the same system like in lol or Dota. You get rewarded by elo hell.
The PIP gaining system and MMR system are separate

MMR works to you get a win rate of 40-60%, by having balanced matches. That is a big problem if you want to go up on leagues… and after 4 division the problem is even bigger. The matchmaking for leagues should be by your position on the league, ofcourse you will get alot of unbalanced matches at the beggining of the season, but after a 1 or 2 weeks good players will be on top divisions and bad players on the first divisions. Anet needs to fix this fast, since the fastest way to climb is losing and put your mmr down and then easy matches.

They will fix it. And it will get balanced. I just feel sorry for those that lower there mmr now. Haha. You will regret it so much later..dont come here and complain about “only hsve noobs in my team”

Klangy.8293:

They will fix it. And it will get balanced. I just feel sorry for those that lower there mmr now. Haha. You will regret it so much later..dont come here and complain about “only hsve noobs in my team”

Yea they will fix it eventually. Maybe in a year or so. You know their fixing and balancing speed

This seems to be the only way I can advance. The game forces a 50% win rate on me so I can only get so high in the leagues. Thankfully i’m at the point where I can’t lose divisions yet so I get to the highest division, lose 20 matches in a row, then group with 2 guildies who do the same thing and we can advance again finally.

This is just how Anet designed the system. I have to assume it was intended. Everyone wins, the other team gets 20 free wins, letting them advance, then my team gets ~20 easy wins afterwords letting us advance.

Apparently its beginning to happen on a large scale now obviously with players reaching the point on the ladder where they should tank their mmr..

Klangy.8293:

They will fix it. And it will get balanced. I just feel sorry for those that lower there mmr now. Haha. You will regret it so much later..dont come here and complain about “only hsve noobs in my team”

I doubt they will change it mid season.

And this is why as a pvx player, time is better spent on doing other stuff

its working as intended.

plus, if too many people do this, they will run into other smurfs team as well, then it is a test of actual skill then.

Yea, i will stay where i am. Try not to do premade and just enjoy The ride. As they maybe fix it to next league. And by then, all good have low mmr, (enjoy elo hell) and The rest spread out.

This is indeed a sad state of that new PvP system. Shame if people are now throwing games on purpose, I was having a lot of fun yesterday progressing through the system.

I just wanted to address the issue on the forum and see if devs are gonna comment on it. It’s clearly an exploit of the MMR system (which is ridiculous btw) and something has to be done about it as it’s preventing people from enjoying pvp.

jozefka.7256:

I just wanted to address the issue on the forum and see if devs are gonna comment on it. It’s clearly an exploit of the MMR system (which is ridiculous btw) and something has to be done about it as it’s preventing people from enjoying pvp.

If you want a dev comment, better try your luck on reddit.

The way I see it is, they now have two systems that are diametrically opposed to each other. MMR reduces the chances of win streaks, while the league requires win streaks to gain tiers and divisions. I’m mythed this wasn’t factored in. So now AFKing during a match will increase to counter the effect of MMR. The concept of MMR is flawed anyway: how do you accurately measure 1 player’s skill level in a PUG of 5. You can’t regardless of number of matches played.

I see a lot of complaining…is there any evidence that this is actually occurring?

Salamander.2504:

I see a lot of complaining…is there any evidence that this is actually occurring?

See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3v9jm0/people_are_starting_to_intentionally_throw_games/

saturn.4810:

Salamander.2504:

I see a lot of complaining…is there any evidence that this is actually occurring?

See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3v9jm0/people_are_starting_to_intentionally_throw_games/

Okay…the guy said “mass suicides in Skyhammer”, so unranked…in any case, the question we should all be asking is: does losing 20 games in a row lower your MMR a whole lot when you have 1k-5k games? It needs to be demonstrated that throwing games can actually work to rise through the leagues before we all start calling it “abuse”.

Salamander.2504:

There has not yet been any evidence of this “league manipulation” technique actually working, just oodles of speculation and whining. One person posted it, and now its being repeated as the gospel, despite the huge lack of community understanding on how the MMR works numerically. Where is the data to support the idea?

The main question would be if it works for the higher divisions. Time will tell.

Lowering MMR on purpose ? it reminds me "The Losing Edge" from South Park et it’s really difficult !

well, it kinda works.

i took 4 not very skilled pvp players with me, then we played 4 games.

well, we zerged around, as they really need the group fight experience.

our first and second games were kinda hard.
in the group fights, we got wiped very quickly.

in our 3rd and 4th games, the group fights are better, we can kill them.
got a better fighting chance.

i say our MMR is dropping nicely.

Just get a long winstreak and you face people a lot stronger to “force a lose”. Why shouldn’t it work the other way around? Losing 10 games so MMR tries to force a win.

The pathetic ways players themselves ruin this game over greed. KTraining in wvw, no different mindset from the same type of people turning this game to kitten.

HaxTester.9816:

This should be reportable as exploiting the system or purposefully ruining the experience of others, although the problem is how would you know if somebody is deliberately sabotaging a game.

Premades are ruining my pvp experience I assume we can report them aswell right?

btw, only the lesser skilled pvp players in our casual pvp guild agreed to test this together with me.

the other better skilled pvp players said its easier to solo Q and did not want to participate in this lowering MMR thing at all.