Guild Wars 2

The MMR score as a placement of skill is completely ridiculous.

In SPvP a team of 4 people can carry a team but not a team of 3 or less. So if you soloq and then the MMR matches you with players who aren’t good and then it continues doing so, you will never advance, especially if it deliberately stacks the enemy team with slightly better players.

Better of course could mean, is a better SPvP player or is familiar with all of the maps, or has a meta build which is strong vs most builds currently, or simply is on a win streak and is getting carried by other players who are good.

This leaves no room for players who are good or bad (skill becomes almost irrelevant) to ever advance if they get low MMR due to the system deliberately stacking players who aren’t good.

Not good could mean, they’re botting, afk, not good at SPvP, have a bad internet connection in fact there’s way more variables that would dictate if a player is bad then good none of which have to do with “git gud”. So when ppl say “l2p” or “get better” or “carry your team” It’s impossible as soloq with the current matchmaking system.

You can play like a god and if 4 other people on your team suck, or die instantly or dc at the start or just play really poorly your screwed.

Let’s say you have MMR score of 1. That means everyone else has an MMR that is higher then you. No big deal if your a good player who cares right? Only it will then match you with players who also have an MMR of 1 which again they could be bad players for a ton of reasons if not all mentioned reasons above, and they will get placed with you constantly on your team.

The enemy team will be matched with higher MMR players than you (because you are at the very bottom, you cant go any lower). Good luck advancing, and good luck getting paired with the 20 or so odd godly players in the whole game, who also happen to be down on their luck with low MMR as well.

I challenge anyone even pro players to lower their MMR and then soloq and try to win matches.

They would be better off matching players with other players in their pip range and just making it random. The entire MMR system is cumbersome, redundant and needlessly penalizing and not required.

yah I know you can make a 5 man group, but 5v5 premade is a completely different beast from soloq infact it might as well be completely different pvp just like in gw1 where they had random arenas and team vs team arenas.

it don’t mean kitten. unless your luck and have it high, it’s like an old boys club, the fat get fatter. it’s totally unfair. note how Anet have not said a word. They know they kittened up big time, and wont own up to it.

“simply is on a win streak and is getting carried by other players who are good.”
Well mostly it’s just that, being on a winning streak make your MMR ever higher and put you on ever bigger win streak, vise versa.

“They would be better off matching players with other players in their pip range and just making it random.”
This is spot on. It’s completely broken due to a relatively simple logic fault.

Put the best player at MMR 1. With this system he will stay at MMR 1 forever..so no with this system MMR not equal skill.

Exactly. I had a match tonight where I feel that I “somewhat” carried my team, at least as best I could. By that I mean, it was on forest, most of us ran to mid, and it seemed like the enemies really liked mid. They sent a LOT of firepower over there, and it didn’t seem likely we could take it. So I told the team to make sure home was locked down (which it was most of the rest of the game), and I took far. Now the enemy retook it from me, my build wasn’t an unstoppable bunker and 2 v 1s weren’t going my way, but then they’d leave it alone again, and I’d retake it, and I ended up holding far for about half the game or more, home stayed neutral or in our control the rest of the game, mid stayed neutral most of the time, but more in their control than ours, and we won by like 50 points or so.

So in those circumstances, I like to feel that I did more than my fair share of the victory, more than most games I’ve played, but I can by no means claim that I actually did “carry” that match. My efforts at far would have been completely worthless if the rest of my team hadn’t been able to lock down home most of the time, while at least distracting the other team at Mid enough that they didn’t have it locked down, or felt more free to look elsewhere. And honestly I couldn’t have gotten away with what I was doing if the other team had taken their home more seriously, they could have pretty much shut down my strat, and mid would have been more of a factor. So I didn’t win because I was so much better than the other players around me, I won because the rest of my team was at least decent (hard to judge them as I didn’t see much of them that match, but they did their thing), and the other team seemed to be at least bad enough that they had a huge blind spot, yet good enough that they kept pressure on us regardless.

If the other team had been better (which is often the case), or my own team had been worse (as is often the case), then nothing within my power as a player could have done anything, they likely would have been able to lock up their home and mostly mid, and it would have ended 200-500 or so. I’d like to see what one of the “golden gods” of PvP could have done with that exact scenario. Likely better than me, maybe ended it faster and with more of a point lead, and if they’d been on the opposing team then they probably could have stopped me better, but if they’d been in one of the considerably more lopsided match-ups I’ve had, I can’t see how they could have made any difference in the outcome.

In Season 1 and before, MMR seemed to be pretty accurate for the majority of players. Funny how fast things can change …