Guild Wars 2

Background info:
- climbed my way to Ruby really easy
- got stuck for a bit
- climbed to Diamond easily
- now stuck in Diamond bouncing between T5 and T1 for a few weeks now

TL:DR – New MM is harsh but allows you to learn from your mistakes and improve if you choose to accept that you only have yourself to blame. Blaming your team mates or MM isn’t going to get you anywhere.

I know there are a lot of complaints about the new MM system but I just wanted to highlight that due to the number of losses I’ve had (I had a 25 streak loss once), I think my gameplay has significantly improved. It’s actually a great way to learn how to carry/play better but only if you take the losses constructively and positively. It might be frustrating but I’m pretty sure that I’ve learn a lot more in season 2 than I have in the last 2 years of pvping in ranked queue/season 1 and there’s still plenty of room for me to improve

Obviously the MM system is not perfect but having a bunch of loss streaks isn’t that bad if you learn from them and improve yourself.

Few things I’ve learnt:

Slowdown and Rotate Properly
I use to think I was rotating properly but I needed to SLOWDOWN. It’s not until you slow down, pause for a bit and analyse the mini map do you actually learn to rotate properly. No point respawning and rushing to a point if you just end up being outnumbered or achieving nothing – be patient. Maybe once I get better, I can make rotation decisions on the fly like the big boys. Until then, slow the kitten down and think what your rotation will actually achieve compared to what you think you’re achieving?

Learn to look at mini map/team mates hp bar WHILST fighting and learn to read it BETTER
I’m not sure if I can speak for others but I use to only look at the mini map after I won a fight or had a clear advantage – most of the time this was too late. I also never looked at my parties hp bar because I was too focused on dpsing as a mesmer. This needed to change! When you’re fighting, do you actually know what’s happening on the other side of the map? Are your team mates winning or losing? Who is on the other side of the map and who are they fighting?

Winning your 1 v 1 or holding a point 1 v 2/3 doesn’t mean kitten
Even if you’re successfully doing the above, if your team mates are losing their fights, it pretty much means you’re not carrying. Even if you’re doing a fantastic job winning a 1 v 3, if your team mates are losing the 4 v 2 and losing the other points then you need to join the team fight to help them. It’s a team game so play more like a team and help them.

Learn to disengage
If you know you’re gonna lose, disengage. No point fighting a fight that you know you’re gonna lose eventually. I see a lot of players dying just to delay the point being capped – a few seconds delay is not gonna change much but your death will. Go +1 someone else or wait to regroup and try again. If you end up dying, chances are your team mates will respawn and they’ll trickle in 1 by 1 and die and die and die (there’s always that 1 guy). At least if you’re alive, you can help them/group with them.

MOST IMPORTANT: Realise your actual skill level – not everyone is meant to be in legendary
Once in a while you’ll fight a player and you’ll get completely destroyed and throughout the match, you see that player destroying everyone in your team – that’s exactly what it takes to get out of your “MMR Hell”. When you encounter such players, you realise that his team mates are almost irrelevant because he/she is clearly carrying the team.

That is all!

Except the system pits higher mmr against lower mmr. So, regardless of whether you are a pro or an amatuer, if your team has a higher mmr, the only way you can lose is if one of your team isn’t playing.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/39-Games-D-D-Ele-Ruby/first#post6074799

When you hit a 25 game losing streak you would of had some bad luck. You had DCs, afks, or you played off peak and the only teams available were higher mmr. You lost against teams you should of won against and had a mmr setback. You went down a few tiers until your mmr was higher than the people in your pip range and started winning again.

MMR hell is being stuck where your MMR is average for your pip range and you get randomly pitted against teams that are much stronger or weaker than yours. It’s a constant win/loss cycle.

Your advice is not going to miraculously lift you out of hell. Your point about baby sitting a 4v2 isn’t thought out. If the rest of your team can’t handle 40% of the opposition or less you are playing a 3v5 game and not going to win. Those 2 people they couldn’t handle will respawn in 7 seconds. Zuku (in the thread above) might play like a ninja but losing one player on their team ie 4v5 it’s suddenly a loss.

All your points have been raised before so you stole them. They aren’t relevant in your case because you don’t need to carry when the teams selected for you are stronger than the opposition. Your post is merely bragging.

Geez someone sounds a little but hurt. So much negativity.

jessiestiles.9437:

Your advice is not going to miraculously lift you out of hell. Your point about baby sitting a 4v2 isn’t thought out. If the rest of your team can’t handle 40% of the opposition or less you are playing a 3v5 game and not going to win. Those 2 people they couldn’t handle will respawn in 7 seconds. Zuku (in the thread above) might play like a ninja but losing one player on their team ie 4v5 it’s suddenly a loss.

I’m not giving advice – I’m just sharing what I’ve learnt and 1v3 was an extreme example to show that maybe what you think is carrying isn’t actually carrying the team?

My post isn’t intended to lift you out of MMR hell, all I’m saying is I’m appreciating the losses because it’s taught me a lot more about the game that I hadn’t previously thought about.

jessiestiles.9437:

All your points have been raised before so you stole them. They aren’t relevant in your case because you don’t need to carry when the teams selected for you are stronger than the opposition. Your post is merely bragging.

Bragging? I dunno about you but I don’t consider having a 25-streak loss, being stuck in Diamond and sharing what I’ve learnt (despite still being stuck) to be bragging… lol

Stealing? grow up… that’s just like saying I learnt 1+1=2 is stealing from my maths teacher.

So much negativity!

You are wrong. MMR is fine.

It’s the MM (match making) that suck because it’s not MMR vs MMR, its MMR vs PIPS range.

So, the problem is not MMR. It’s MM with PIPS range.

Since veteran don’t want to play with noob, MMR for your team is a must… should be the same for opponent.

Your entire post is giving advice duh!

Here’s the facts if you are in MMR hell. A good winrate of 60% (which was a good winrate in solo-q last season too) means 10 games for every 2 pips. And you are lucky to hit a winstreak every now and then. This kind of progression would cheese you off too. But you lucked out on a high mmr to ruby and were satisfied with your position. Yes you are annoying.

jessiestiles.9437:

Your entire post is giving advice duh!

Here’s the facts if you are in MMR hell. A good winrate of 60% (which was a good winrate in solo-q last season too) means 10 games for every 2 pips. And you are lucky to hit a winstreak every now and then. This kind of progression would cheese you off too. But you lucked out on a high mmr to ruby and were satisfied with your position. Yes you are annoying.

The kind of people who rather blame the system instead of their own capabilities are much more annoying.

“My teammates are always so bad while i play like a god, pls anet fix!=!!=!=!”

“Always have to play against pro players in sapphire while my team are nothing but noobs!!=!=! I play like a pro btw but cant carry these noobs because they are the biggest noobs, noobs!=!=!= PLS ANET FIX!=)!

Then they post a video of their gameplay and turns out they play like crap and wouldnt even get to emerald if you could lose pips in amber.

Are you one of those people?

Jourdelune.7456:

You are wrong. MMR is fine.

It’s the MM (match making) that suck because it’s not MMR vs MMR, its MMR vs PIPS range.

So, the problem is not MMR. It’s MM with PIPS range.

Since veteran don’t want to play with noob, MMR for your team is a must… should be the same for opponent.

True, yet i believe in this case they will need to relocate rewards from progression to participation. Because let’s be real, there are really few enthusiasts who will keep playing just for the sake of competition.

No. I get good players on my team and we win. Next game the match is stacked against our team we lose. It’s not my team mates fault.

Carrying is a myth. Last season you should of got a 87% winrate if you can carry so well. Minus 3% for the losses of those who winstreak to legend and have a couple of losses. A generous 10% reduction for amber shopping. Did you get a 87% winrate? No a good winrate would of been 60%. So a single player can give a team a 10% increased winrate. This holding up your whole team is a fantasy.

jessiestiles.9437:

No. I get good players on my team and we win. Next game the match is stacked against our team we lose. It’s not my team mates fault.

Carrying is a myth. Last season you should of got a 87% winrate if you can carry so well. Minus 3% for the losses of those who winstreak to legend and have a couple of losses. A generous 10% reduction for amber shopping. Did you get a 87% winrate? No a good winrate would of been 60%. So a single player can give a team a 10% increased winrate. This holding up your whole team is a fantasy.

Lol 87% winrate? You realise that top players were matched against top players from the very beginning during season 1, right? ESL players faced ESL players in amber tier 1. Of course even those guys wouldnt reach an 87% winrate because they faced people in their MMR range all season no matter in which division they were playing.

Also can you please stop pulling numbers out of your kitten , thanks.

Lol I can’t belive you even bother, the OP said " the new MM is harsh but it allow you to learn from your mistake" lol.

Exactly. In an even playing field you can’t carry. You can only carry when the other team is destined to lose and you accuse them of not carrying. You see how ridiculous it is.

“Also can you please stop pulling numbers out of your kitten , thanks.”

Why? Because it upsets your fantasy?

jessiestiles.9437:

Exactly. In an even playing field you can’t carry. You can only carry when the other team is destined to lose and you accuse them of not carrying. You see how ridiculous it is.

A “pro player” playing in amber is not an even playing field. Why? Because he doesnt belong in amber.

Well that is a seperate point to what I am making. I don’t disagree with that.

jessiestiles.9437:

Exactly. In an even playing field you can’t carry. You can only carry when the other team is destined to lose and you accuse them of not carrying. You see how ridiculous it is.

“Also can you please stop pulling numbers out of your kitten , thanks.”

Why? Because it upsets your fantasy?

No, because you make them up in your mind without anything to back them up. Just a random number you pull out of your kitten , nothing more.

It wasn’t meant to be scientific. It’s just to exemplify how ridiculous the concept of carrying is. That should have been pretty clear.

jessiestiles.9437:

Exactly. In an even playing field you can’t carry. You can only carry when the other team is destined to lose and you accuse them of not carrying. You see how ridiculous it is.

Pretty much this..

I have been wondering, how the hell you have 25 losing streak, the probability of that happening is really low. You sure it isn’t your problem? You sure you didn’t get to diamond out of pure luck?

SkyShroud.2865:

I have been wondering, how the hell you have 25 losing streak, the probability of that happening is really low. You sure it isn’t your problem? You sure you didn’t get to diamond out of pure luck?

I wondered that myself lol. It was definitely me in some of the games, others who knows but I did learn from it which was the main thing.

I crawled back up to T5 now so we’ll see where I go from there.