Guild Wars 2

Now we all know that Anet has made it so that all the higher MMR gets put together and all the lower MMR gets put together so that the Higher MMR can get out of the Tier they are in faster.

Ive just thought of something that Anet might not have considered.

So when all the ‘better’ players are up in the higher tiers and only the dregs of MMR are in the lower sections, according to what I’ve read if say i and 4 others have 20 MMR and 5 others have 30 MMR. So the people with 30 MMR will EVERY time be grouped together and the ones with 20 MMR will always be grouped together.

This means that every time the better players will be put together and the crappy players will always be together. Ummmm thats fairly terrible. It would mean that barring someone DC’ing or waffling their face on the keyboard the lower players will very rarely win.

Anet Devs what are you going to do about this real imbalance in your system. You have made it so that there is no fairness in the system.

Another thought to think of is those players in Diamond or Legendary will also eventually encounter this as well.

I really don’t care what anyone else says about this. This is one way you could balance it. IF you won a game then next round you get put in with someone who lost. So you would have a possible 2 winners 2 losers and either a winner or loser for the 5th person.

i get paired with ppl that attack necro’s minions instead of the players, so this is super fun ty ANET

Would you prefer to have guys stoming mesmer clones, zerging animal etc. in diamond/legend? Because that is what i saw last season due to moronic 50% algorithm.

At least last season it wasn’t total routs. I might lose a few then I would win a few.

And while I have won a few I’ve lost a heap more.

Firebird Gomer.9563:

At least last season it wasn’t total routs. I might lose a few then I would win a few.

And while I have won a few I’ve lost a heap more.

nah but you also probably didn’t have to win matches against esl players just to get out of amber~

MetalJacket.2307:

i get paired with ppl that attack necro’s minions instead of the players, so this is super fun ty ANET

I saw today my team mate attacking svavnir and instantly getting downed by that NPC. Winning with team mates like that is difficult.

Some people aren’t reading these threads at all. These threads can be summed up into: However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

I’ll sum it up again; the season is about 1 month, so you expect at least 2 weeks for a skilled player to make his way to legendary. With the current system, folks/ good player are reaching end game at alarming rates … Now, you can tell me the system is competitive! !

Cynz.9437:

Would you prefer to have guys stoming mesmer clones, zerging animal etc. in diamond/legend? Because that is what i saw last season due to moronic 50% algorithm.

Yes, dude. You can shut up now. We get it. You are on lucky win streak and you love the new system, because it carries you through the divisions with all the bonus pips for a streak. Well good for you. I really hope you will hit the same brick wall, which many decent players have been hiting from the start of the season. You will come here to complain so fast, it will be like your kitten is no fire.

All I am seeing around the forums and ingame is people who either are on huge win streaks or on constant lose streaks. So you want to tell me that this is the represantation of the pvp community? Only big pros or terrible noobs, right? Well WRONG. There are many decent players stuck without any progress at all, because they constantly get terrible matchups. There are barely any competitive game right now. Almost every game is ended with like 200-300 point difference. This is no fun for either side AT ALL. Its a complete mess right now, and I honestly don’t know how anyone can defend this crap.

If you really think this is a properly working system you really need to get off the pink clouds you are drifting on right now, and try to have broader perspective upon the current system outside of your lucky winstreaks.

Cynz.9437:

Firebird Gomer.9563:

At least last season it wasn’t total routs. I might lose a few then I would win a few.

And while I have won a few I’ve lost a heap more.

nah but you also probably didn’t have to win matches against esl players just to get out of amber~

Why should ESL players have to Waste time on low skill people? Is it fun? Doubt it. Why should casual players wich arenanet needs to earn money, spend time on farm games that are not fun. Fine legendary are for good people, just dont expect people to play the game like this. And these casuals might be the new ESL players , if they dont Quit the game. Would you as a new Player back in the Day have continued to play if you had this handed to you?

MirrorOfNature.4279:

Cynz.9437:

Would you prefer to have guys stoming mesmer clones, zerging animal etc. in diamond/legend? Because that is what i saw last season due to moronic 50% algorithm.

Yes, dude. You can shut up now. We get it. You are on lucky win streak and you love the new system, because it carries you through the divisions with all the bonus pips for a streak. Well good for you. I really hope you will hit the same brick wall, which many decent players have been hiting from the start of the season. You will come here to complain so fast, it will be like your kitten is no fire.

All I am seeing around the forums and ingame is people who either are on huge win streaks or on constant lose streaks. So you want to tell me that this is the represantation of the pvp community? Only big pros or terrible noobs, right? Well WRONG. There are many decent players stuck without any progress at all, because they constantly get terrible matchups. There are barely any competitive game right now. Almost every game is ended with like 200-300 point difference. This is no fun for either side AT ALL. Its a complete mess right now, and I honestly don’t know how anyone can defend this crap.

If you really think this is a properly working system you really need to get off the pink clouds you are drifting on right now, and try to have broader perspective upon the current system outside of your lucky winstreaks.

I am losing matches right now, quite a lot of this. I did hit the brick wall and i am ok with it.

Cynz.9437:

Would you prefer to have guys stoming mesmer clones, zerging animal etc. in diamond/legend? Because that is what i saw last season due to moronic 50% algorithm.

Yes, I would rather have this. I too saw stupid stuff in diamond rank last season, but this season there’s no point to even playing most matches.

Cynz.9437:

I am losing matches right now, quite a lot of this. I did hit the brick wall and i am ok with it.

Just wait give it a few more days you’ll be less happy about the new system

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Cynz.9437:

I am losing matches right now, quite a lot of this. I did hit the brick wall and i am ok with it.

Just wait give it a few more days you’ll be less happy about the new system

I stopped caring so much about loses long time ago (thanks to lovely 50% algorithm). If i did well, idc if i lose, at least i had fun fights. If i did bad then i deserve to lose. Simple as it is.

If game is absolutely not fun (example begin of HoT when thief was total trash and i couldn’t even have fun in fights regardless los/win) i just play other games.

Took me 20 hours to get out of amber around 53 matches now in emerald i cant even get 3-4pips total no clue how to progress aenymore i like to pvp but im casual i readup on builds ect and try to get as good as possible and still i wont even reach saphire like this
how can this be fair system

Fivedawgs.4267:

However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

ANET wants a complete demarcation of their player base between Elites and non-elites. A 180 degree turn in their approach towards gaming. They made that decision in PvE with HoT and Raid. They have now made that decision in PvP with this system.

The current system is about pitting a group of bad players against better players all the way up while hoping that through attrition and by the system demarcation will be achieved and a wall will be built between good and the evil bad players. I just can’t fathom why would I knowingly participate in a game where I am playing just to lose again and again and again.

I stopped playing right now. I guess that was ANET’s objective. GTFO scums.

I can understand your frustration. I have only just started the season and still progressing to amber. For me, I get 4 OK players+1 inexperienced. My big problem is that of the 4 Ok players, 2 of them are playing non meta…that means we lose.

It is sinking to when you see yourself (scrapper) Standing on a node with a duel pistol engi and staff ele and (They) a druid, 2 necro and rev are heading right towards you. You know how this going to end, even though as stated your team aren’t terrible players. They just lost their minds and thought something non meta might work this time.

This is from Anet’s own post on their own site about the changes to Season 2

" We’ll search for other players that fall within your pip range (which can extend outside of your division depending on where you’re currently placed) and pair you up with teammates who have a similar skill level to your own. We’ll then find you opponents within that same pip range and pair them against you, regardless of their skill level."

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pvp-league-season-two-changes/

As I have said. All the best players are on 1 team and all the bad players are on the other. Even if they are close. Its still going to be the same. VERY rarely will the bad group win.

Seriously Anet when people really understand that. They are going to be even more upset than they are now.

And this is why people AFK … bad team vs good team. No point playing – mostly can tell within the first couple of mins with most games

velmeister.4187:

Fivedawgs.4267:

However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

ANET wants a complete demarcation of their player base between Elites and non-elites. A 180 degree turn in their approach towards gaming. They made that decision in PvE with HoT and Raid. They have now made that decision in PvP with this system.

The current system is about pitting a group of bad players against better players all the way up while hoping that through attrition and by the system demarcation will be achieved and a wall will be built between good and the evil bad players. I just can’t fathom why would I knowingly participate in a game where I am playing just to lose again and again and again.

I stopped playing right now. I guess that was ANET’s objective. GTFO scums.

Go play unranked! MUCH more fun right now!

JTGuevara.9018:

velmeister.4187:

Fivedawgs.4267:

However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

ANET wants a complete demarcation of their player base between Elites and non-elites. A 180 degree turn in their approach towards gaming. They made that decision in PvE with HoT and Raid. They have now made that decision in PvP with this system.

The current system is about pitting a group of bad players against better players all the way up while hoping that through attrition and by the system demarcation will be achieved and a wall will be built between good and the evil bad players. I just can’t fathom why would I knowingly participate in a game where I am playing just to lose again and again and again.

I stopped playing right now. I guess that was ANET’s objective. GTFO scums.

Go play unranked! MUCH more fun right now!

It is true. Just said the same thing in another thread. Matches are quite balanced and people know how to rotate. Are they running 2 different versions of MM system between ranked and unranked?

Yes – unbanked has a different MMR compared to your ranked MMR.
Also the matchmaking is different

I would like have a lovely balanced close and competitive match via unranked but like so many others I would also like my PVP back piece.

velmeister.4187:

Fivedawgs.4267:

However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

ANET wants a complete demarcation of their player base between Elites and non-elites. A 180 degree turn in their approach towards gaming. They made that decision in PvE with HoT and Raid. They have now made that decision in PvP with this system.

The current system is about pitting a group of bad players against better players all the way up while hoping that through attrition and by the system demarcation will be achieved and a wall will be built between good and the evil bad players. I just can’t fathom why would I knowingly participate in a game where I am playing just to lose again and again and again.

I stopped playing right now. I guess that was ANET’s objective. GTFO scums.

This. I already have 3-4min queues in emerald because so many people are quitting this pvp season. I had instant queues when the week started. 3-4min is longer than I had in diamond+ last season.

Malediktus.9250:

velmeister.4187:

Fivedawgs.4267:

However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

ANET wants a complete demarcation of their player base between Elites and non-elites. A 180 degree turn in their approach towards gaming. They made that decision in PvE with HoT and Raid. They have now made that decision in PvP with this system.

The current system is about pitting a group of bad players against better players all the way up while hoping that through attrition and by the system demarcation will be achieved and a wall will be built between good and the evil bad players. I just can’t fathom why would I knowingly participate in a game where I am playing just to lose again and again and again.

I stopped playing right now. I guess that was ANET’s objective. GTFO scums.

This. I already have 3-4min queues in emerald because so many people are quitting this pvp season. I had instant queues when the week started. 3-4min is longer than I had in diamond+ last season.

Really? Is that true? Now I KNOW that this pvp system is a scam.

JTGuevara.9018:

Malediktus.9250:

velmeister.4187:

Fivedawgs.4267:

However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

ANET wants a complete demarcation of their player base between Elites and non-elites. A 180 degree turn in their approach towards gaming. They made that decision in PvE with HoT and Raid. They have now made that decision in PvP with this system.

The current system is about pitting a group of bad players against better players all the way up while hoping that through attrition and by the system demarcation will be achieved and a wall will be built between good and the evil bad players. I just can’t fathom why would I knowingly participate in a game where I am playing just to lose again and again and again.

I stopped playing right now. I guess that was ANET’s objective. GTFO scums.

This. I already have 3-4min queues in emerald because so many people are quitting this pvp season. I had instant queues when the week started. 3-4min is longer than I had in diamond+ last season.

Really? Is that true? Now I KNOW that this pvp system is a scam.

Sadly. I get one blow out defeat after the next, too. Its no fun anymore. 100-200 : 500 is pretty common loss. Total games played today over 25, just 1 win.

My record since league start is: 25-72

I’m Emerald-Tier 2

I don’t have it as bad as others, but STILL, this is just nonsense.

And again. Anet have gone totally quiet.

This won’t get fixed for this season and people will totally not want to play next season.

Anet seriously. You said last year you realized that you weren’t communicating enough and that you would improve that this year. And yet here we are again with a storm of annoyed players and your deadly quiet AGAIN.

I still find it ridiculous that Reddit gets more information and explanations than your own forums. That’s a different topic for a different time tho.

Edit: So I’m slightly wrong Anet PVP Devs have slightly been talking. But not to give any updates or discussion on what people are actually saying.

And now Ive just a match of 5 randoms vs a guild premade group. I thought with the new system this was not meant to happen.

It got so bad that as a warrior i keep getting top kills, pts or top dmg. Even matching takes forever i guess my bad luck is so bad they cant even find newbs to play with me. TY ANET

Like I said its not actually balanced. ITS always 1 set of good players verses 1 set of bad players. And its not being balanced properly at all. Ive read people saying that losing helps you get better. This is partially true. But when those people have lost 20+ games and only won 1, have they really had a chance to learn and improve? especially with a 50 to 500 point game.

Its only gonna get worse. Bad players will only be put onto teams that have bad players. Good players will be put onto good teams. And the cycle will get worse.

And Anet will continue to bury their head in the sand like an ostrich and put their fingers in their ears and go LALLALALLALA and will not comment on this or fix it.

Edit: My Bad Players line isn’t correct. A correction to that is as follows below.

Players who have experience but not a good MMR will be placed with bad players. And from there as they lose more and more then it will get worse and worse for them.

Cynz.9437:

Would you prefer to have guys stoming mesmer clones, zerging animal etc. in diamond/legend? Because that is what i saw last season due to moronic 50% algorithm.

That’s actually a lot more likely to happen this season assuming the player wasn’t exploiting his way up there. Not by a small margin either…. A very very LARGE margin.

If all of the folks having losing streaks are so good (as claimed in various topics), won’t all the QQ’ers on the forum eventually be paired together? And start kicking major butt?

Fivedawgs.4267:

Some people aren’t reading these threads at all. These threads can be summed up into: However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

I’ll sum it up again; the season is about 1 month, so you expect at least 2 weeks for a skilled player to make his way to legendary. With the current system, folks/ good player are reaching end game at alarming rates … Now, you can tell me the system is competitive! !

People made it to legendary in a couple of weeks last season not sure why what happened last season is a problem when happening this season. Far from a pro here about 35-5 I would say mostly duo or trio. If A-net goes back to forcing 50/50 outcomes and putting knobs with people with 1,000 of hours of pvp experience as teammates they will lose just as many people that way. What can be fairer then being matched with people around your skill level as teammates? I will blame A-net though the first season was a kitten joke and set up unrealistic expectations for some of the worst players.

brannigan.9831:

What can be fairer then being matched with people around your skill level as teammates?

The mis-balance comes soon. The 5 in Amber or Emerald with say 100 MMR will be always partnered together. The 5 with 150 in Amber or Emerald will always be partnered together. So the group with better MMR and better abilities will win probably 9 times out of 10. The group with 100 MMR will just get flogged over and over and over again. And eventually they will be so against PvP they won’t step in it again and probably leave Guild Wars 2 as well.

I had a similar experience in Aion. I hate Dueling or PVP now. I’m almost fed up with this season already. I am not the best, I’m not even a middle ground PvP’er my reflexes are not what they where 20 years ago. But until this season I have always felt like I can 1 v 1 someone and put up a reasonable fight.

brannigan.9831:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Some people aren’t reading these threads at all. These threads can be summed up into: However bad someone is, losing/winning 20 games in row is unacceptable; yeah I know good player will climb faster and bads won’t, still that doesn’t justify the current streak. No competitve game has player who can go from the lowest to the highest tier in 5 days. That’s the bigger picture.

I’ll sum it up again; the season is about 1 month, so you expect at least 2 weeks for a skilled player to make his way to legendary. With the current system, folks/ good player are reaching end game at alarming rates … Now, you can tell me the system is competitive! !

People made it to legendary in a couple of weeks last season not sure why what happened last season is a problem when happening this season. Far from a pro here about 35-5 I would say mostly duo or trio. If A-net goes back to forcing 50/50 outcomes and putting knobs with people with 1,000 of hours of pvp experience as teammates they will lose just as many people that way. What can be fairer then being matched with people around your skill level as teammates? I will blame A-net though the first season was a kitten joke and set up unrealistic expectations for some of the worst players.

I have nothing against being paired with other high MMR players, what’s wrong is when the other comp is full of low MMR players or vice versa. You are not following along dude. A team of all 5 will 90% of the time lose against a team of all 10. THAT’S THE ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT MMR.

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Now we all know that Anet has made it so that all the higher MMR gets put together and all the lower MMR gets put together so that the Higher MMR can get out of the Tier they are in faster.

Ive just thought of something that Anet might not have considered.

So when all the ‘better’ players are up in the higher tiers and only the dregs of MMR are in the lower sections, according to what I’ve read if say i and 4 others have 20 MMR and 5 others have 30 MMR. So the people with 30 MMR will EVERY time be grouped together and the ones with 20 MMR will always be grouped together.

This means that every time the better players will be put together and the crappy players will always be together. Ummmm thats fairly terrible. It would mean that barring someone DC’ing or waffling their face on the keyboard the lower players will very rarely win.

Anet Devs what are you going to do about this real imbalance in your system. You have made it so that there is no fairness in the system.

Another thought to think of is those players in Diamond or Legendary will also eventually encounter this as well.

I really don’t care what anyone else says about this. This is one way you could balance it. IF you won a game then next round you get put in with someone who lost. So you would have a possible 2 winners 2 losers and either a winner or loser for the 5th person.

You forgot that the group with 30 mmr might face a group with 40 mmr in the next division pip range. They will lose until they get better at the game and finally beat those guys with higher mmr.

The Ace.9105:

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Now we all know that Anet has made it so that all the higher MMR gets put together and all the lower MMR gets put together so that the Higher MMR can get out of the Tier they are in faster.

Ive just thought of something that Anet might not have considered.

So when all the ‘better’ players are up in the higher tiers and only the dregs of MMR are in the lower sections, according to what I’ve read if say i and 4 others have 20 MMR and 5 others have 30 MMR. So the people with 30 MMR will EVERY time be grouped together and the ones with 20 MMR will always be grouped together.

This means that every time the better players will be put together and the crappy players will always be together. Ummmm thats fairly terrible. It would mean that barring someone DC’ing or waffling their face on the keyboard the lower players will very rarely win.

Anet Devs what are you going to do about this real imbalance in your system. You have made it so that there is no fairness in the system.

Another thought to think of is those players in Diamond or Legendary will also eventually encounter this as well.

I really don’t care what anyone else says about this. This is one way you could balance it. IF you won a game then next round you get put in with someone who lost. So you would have a possible 2 winners 2 losers and either a winner or loser for the 5th person.

You forgot that the group with 30 mmr might face a group with 40 mmr in the next division pip range. They will lose until they get better at the game and finally beat those guys with higher mmr.

That is true. And lots of people have posted about that and how they got to emerald and suddenly they got slammed and started their own losing streaks now. So those who were winning now are in the boat that the group they were playing against previously. The system for all it tried to do, has done the opposite.

And again Anet has not talked about it, and has buried their head in the sand and are going LALALALALALLALA with their fingers in their ears.