Guild Wars 2

Ever try dueling as a necromancer with no DS? Pretty much a loss before the start. Ever try an opener with necromancers that have zero DS? Can be very similar, My recommendation is that necromancers be given 30% by default to give them a chance.

As for people who think eles deserve some love too, they are OP enough and an ele can just as easily run staff ele and still give speed/might buffs at start.

Na, revert it for all classes or just leave it as is.

Life force generation buff incoming guys I swear

This was a good change..
There is no skill cap for buffing pre-match..You either have an ele or you don’t.
But necromancers were hurt too much. The 25% the gentleman is asking is not that bad.

Darnis.4056:

This was a good change..
There is no skill cap for buffing pre-match..You either have an ele or you don’t.
But necromancers were hurt too much. The 25% the gentleman is asking is not that bad.

hahahaahhaaha, no skill cap? ele or nothing?
https://www.youtube.com/user/cmcgw2

HatSimulator.9362:

Darnis.4056:

This was a good change..
There is no skill cap for buffing pre-match..You either have an ele or you don’t.
But necromancers were hurt too much. The 25% the gentleman is asking is not that bad.

hahahaahhaaha, no skill cap? ele or nothing?
https://www.youtube.com/user/cmcgw2

How does that add skill cap to the game exactly?…

Yea that Engi pregame 8 seconds of regen and 5 seconds of swiftness in the video sure did alter the game.

Yea that mesmer swiftness that doesn’t stack with anything else in the game.

Darnis.4056:

HatSimulator.9362:

Darnis.4056:

This was a good change..
There is no skill cap for buffing pre-match..You either have an ele or you don’t.
But necromancers were hurt too much. The 25% the gentleman is asking is not that bad.

hahahaahhaaha, no skill cap? ele or nothing?
https://www.youtube.com/user/cmcgw2

How does that add skill cap to the game exactly?…

Yea that Engi pregame 8 seconds of regen and 5 seconds of swiftness in the video sure did alter the game.

I just showed you there was a skill cap on pre-game strats but hey whatever dude, you either had an ele or not :^)

Revert for everyone or for nobody plz.

Necromancers are in a different situation then everybody though..
Your warhorn swap isn’t that game changing..
I’m okay with giving them at least access to their class skills.

Darnis.4056:

HatSimulator.9362:

Darnis.4056:

……….Not sure if trolling, or mentally handicapped.
More like #796 Engi NA.. and barely in the 300s of team que..
Yea definitely trolling or Brazilian.

solo queue rank suddenly means something! LOL

The top 20 people in the solo queue all got there after not playing for months then logging in for a day pal.

Dude, Are you trolling? The point of those videos was that you’re blasting a field in the start whether it be fire from ele (every team has an ele every match) or a warrior with bow. Not you randomly blasting NOTHING.

I got the point of the videos, Doing a funky rotation at the beginning of a game doesn’t add skill cap in any way shape or form.

Ele can provide 60+ seconds of swiftness alone.

Yea that’s true being in the top 100 of soloque doesn’t mean much, but you’re in the 800s of soloque/300 teamque, that’s legit farm fodder.

Lol legit farm fodder! It’s like I can choose what team i’m on? Im not in a guild that goes into team queues daily.
And its ok that you didn’t know. At least accept it. The point is that you said ele was the only thing needed to stack anything at the start of the game which is untrue in every way. Of course, it doesnt matter now.

HatSimulator.9362:

Darnis.4056:

HatSimulator.9362:

Darnis.4056:

……….Not sure if trolling, or mentally handicapped.
More like #796 Engi NA.. and barely in the 300s of team que..
Yea definitely trolling or Brazilian.

solo queue rank suddenly means something! LOL

The top 20 people in the solo queue all got there after not playing for months then logging in for a day pal.

Dude, Are you trolling? The point of those videos was that you’re blasting a field in the start whether it be fire from ele (every team has an ele every match) or a warrior with bow. Not you randomly blasting NOTHING.

I got the point of the videos, Doing a funky rotation at the beginning of a game doesn’t add skill cap in any way shape or form.

Ele can provide 60+ seconds of swiftness alone.

Yea that’s true being in the top 100 of soloque doesn’t mean much, but you’re in the 800s of soloque/300 teamque, that’s legit farm fodder.

Lol legit farm fodder! It’s like I can choose what team i’m on? Im not in a guild that goes into team queues daily.
And its ok that you didn’t know. At least accept it. The point is that you said ele was the only thing needed to stack anything at the start of the game which is untrue in every way. Of course, it doesnt matter now.

Pregame strat of blasting out a field is not skill cap. I don’t know how you’re rationalizing it for yourself, and yes it does still matter because anet has been known to change their minds.

I’d prefer a few ambient creatures in spawn over starting with a set amount of LF

You have to play necro to find out how much of a snowball class it is.

When you start winning you become an unstoppable machine with 40k HP. When you start off losing you lose all your life force and become a walking corpse who gets 1 shot by thieves/mesmers.

Life force is important for many reasons. It isn’t just the HP. The insta fear is pretty much a necros main survival tool and so is chilling and immobing opponents, which again is primarily done via deathshroud.

A competent team with a thief/mesmer comp (for example) will now be able to insta jump a necro at the start of a game and from then on the necro will just be screwed for the whole game.

Necro is a snowball class so it is really really hard to overestimate how important that starting 7k life force is. The first team fight you lack massively in terms of DPS and survivability. All our spike is from deathshroud 2 and 3. That is how a necro spikes with corrupt boon.

It is honestly a massive nerf. Dhuumfire was probably a bigger nerf but this is pretty close imho.

If you don’t believe me then try it out. Maybe rabids is now better than carrions now too.

Darnis.4056:

Necromancers are in a different situation then everybody though..
Your warhorn swap isn’t that game changing..
I’m okay with giving them at least access to their class skills.

No. Their professional skills are balanced around them earning it first by building life force.

Darnis.4056:

HatSimulator.9362:

Darnis.4056:

There is no skill cap for buffing pre-match..You either have an ele or you don’t.

hahahaahhaaha, no skill cap? ele or nothing?
https://www.youtube.com/user/cmcgw2

Yea that mesmer swiftness that doesn’t stack with anything else in the game.

Yeh, LOL. It would be so nice if it did.

coglin.1867:

Darnis.4056:

Necromancers are in a different situation then everybody though..
Your warhorn swap isn’t that game changing..
I’m okay with giving them at least access to their class skills.

No. Their professional skills are balanced around them earning it first by building life force.

This isn’t true, as the necromancer has been balanced mostly with feedback from PVP, and in pvp the necromancer has always had the ability to start the game with around 30% of their life force, so the necromancer has been nerfed pretty hard, and this will be reflected in the stats of wins/losses for organized pvp and also in the next wave of balance.

coglin.1867:

Darnis.4056:

Necromancers are in a different situation then everybody though..
Your warhorn swap isn’t that game changing..
I’m okay with giving them at least access to their class skills.

No. Their professional skills are balanced around them earning it first by building life force.

Tell me, why should the necro have to earn their defense? Death Shroud basically has it all, making that initial 20-30% incredibly important.

Or are you saying a necro should blow a stunbreaker in their first engagement (Spectral Armor or Spectral Walk), just to get access to defense? It’s like if Warriors had to use Balanced Stance in order to swap to a shield.

Necro is for me currently unviable.

Just ideal scenario:
3x 1,3 s = 4 SECONDS just to get 12% LF …. No comment on what a realistic scenario, to get to 20% – which were the previous BALANCE STANDARD – would take.

This needs a dumbfire like fast hotfix.

I dont know which is worse of a snowball currently
-necro
- or 500-0 courtyard matches?

Starting with 0 life force is like elementalists unable to swap attunements for the first 2-3 minutes of the match. Yes. No Earth, no water… no air… just sit in fire and try to live please.
Guardians can’t access virtues for the first 2-3 minutes. Good luck with that.
Mesmers can’t shatter for the first 2-3 minutes. Distortion? Nope. Mind Wreck? Don’t think so. But… what about my Diversion? Certainly not.
Thieves can’t steal for the first 2-3 minutes.

Sounds wonderful. Let’s do it.

I’ve never played Necro before and I know this was a Huge nerf. One of the top ESL teams had 2 necros, dominating the beginning zerg battles. Now there whole strat is changed, if viable at all.
Again, I’ve never played Necro but from my experience 20% should suffice. Since people drop DS down to about that much in 2v2 duels due to fairness.

Around 20% was and is considered fair pvp 1v1 standard.

Problems are teamfights needing a bit more and most important – respawn.

After you wipe, you need to do a comeback – but you not only not gain the fair 20% , you even lose about 23% LF cz of coding.
Thats why were pushing for something more RELIABLE, less min/max, easier to balance. the last thing the game needs is more snowball effects.