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Ignoring that my class is the worst in the game (non-exp warrior) the MMR seems pretty solid. Players getting stuck in certain ranks means that the system is working.

Often there is posts here about ‘elo hell’. This is a meme from LoL and is fundamentally flawed logic going that you’re stuck in a rank by your RNG of teammates (of which is false). Based on the law of averages everyone will have equal games where they have to carry, get carried, or have to do just average. Reality is players in higher ranks have had just as many ‘bad teammates’ and won anyways because they’re better than you. With this the bad players are stuck in their respective division and we can finally be esports now. Good job, Anet.

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Cool story bro.

What about unbalanced teams, by this I mean teams where one side has like 2 eles and 3 necros and I have 2 warrios a thief, and a ranger and DH. Wow, such match making, many balance, wow.

Sure people are getting “stuck” where they belong, many people have been stuck for weeks, and the season has 3 weeks to go! Yes, good job ANet. League is over for many with weeks still to go……

Here comes the QQ

The reason there is no MMR hell is because you are being teamed with people closest to you in the league in MMR. So simple logic would tell you if there bad you couldn’t be much better. I think the idea some are clinging too is somehow teammates caused there MMR to tank so now they are stuck with bad players as teammates every match which is dubious because your MMR is etablished over many many games.

The QQ is always from the same posters as well. Some people just can’t come to terms with their own skill cap, so they’d rather play the forums then play the game.

The only problem with the matchmaking is that bad players can’t lose their rank. Checkpoints allow them to grind higher than they should be, which puts them in a place where they will continually get poor matchups as the majority of players in their range are better than them. Let them drop and watch as they get good, competitive matches in T1 Amber.

Celeras.4980:

The QQ is always from the same posters as well. Some people just can’t come to terms with their own skill cap, so they’d rather play the forums then play the game.

The only problem with the matchmaking is that bad players can’t lose their rank. Checkpoints allow them to grind higher than they should be, which puts them in a place where they will continually get poor matchups as the majority of players in their range are better than them. Let them drop and watch as they get good, competitive matches in T1 Amber.

So you mean to tell me 2 warriors a thief, a ranger and a DH and dear a team of 2 ele’s and 3 reapers if all the players are of equal skill?

I don’t think so. Now if the first team was made up.of better players, then yes that could and should happen. But in most cases it will not.

When the season started I played against a guild team as a pug party. And it has even been mentioned that you have a higher chance of being placed against a team with higher mmr sp they can boost through.

Look at legendary right now, many have to wait hours and their matches are still steamrolls xD they still have players that quit when they have less points 1 minute into a match.

And also classes play a huge role in this. If you are a none spec team against a spec team you will lose.

And say you get a team of 2 non druids, reg war a thief and your class against a scrapper, tempest, dh, reaper and Glint Rev. Who o you think will win? This happens alot frequently, do not forget alot of new players who jump straight into league with know knowledge of maps or their class.

So the people who didn’t like s1 (actual legendary players, not players not those who got carried through) asked for this type of s2 and not even they like it.

And it amuses me that people try to show off that they get high upish when it is known that good players with good mmr are placed against unlucky or bad players with low mmr so they pf course are going to win then get stuck in mmr hell or just ride the easy wins to legendary once then quit ranked.

The season is a flop with more people disappointed in it. And think hat would happen if all the average players left ranked, ranked would be dead with only 2 div worth of players doing it. People may call anyone lower than diamond bad at to quit but they need us more than we need them otherwise they would be waiting even longer than those in legendary to get games xD

So you mean to tell me 2 warriors a thief, a ranger and a DH and dear a team of 2 ele’s and 3 reapers if all the players are of equal skill?

No of course not, but that team of crappy classes/builds has the same ability as anyone else to swap to an appropriate class comp before the match begins. The fact that they don’t is one contributing factor to their difficulty progressing past their current division.

Last week I did the stupid mistake of playing a lot of pvp during the morning which often resulted in more than half of my team mates just trying to do their daily (e.g. 3 engis in the team when engi was daily) and completely killed my mmr. As far as I remember I lost like 10 matches in a row, won 2, lost 10 again, won 2 and then lost 15 (!!!) before – after doing some unranked in between and feeling sorry for all the unexperienced players that I continuously killed there – I finally got the 3 wins in a row that I needed to get into ruby (which btw of cause was in the evening hours).
I’m not saying that I’m a good player, probably just average, but if 3 out of 5 people completely ignore team chat, pings and targets and just run to suicide at mid / enemy lord 1 by 1 all the time there’s not much you can do to carry your team.
Btw I’ve often noticed over the last two seasons that I suddendly start losing A LOT more when I’m in the last tier of a division. But never before has it been as bad as those past 3 days.

Also as ranked now will pit you against a team if your div is limited on number it may be best to just team with someone, pick a good class that mixes well with theirs and just go on, seen a few games where a team has like 2 or even 2 groups of 2 against a full pug.

I’d also like to point out that not many people I have heard even tune in to watch the twitch finals. If it is true then it is more proof that not many care for the league.

Ogre when did you start playing ranked matches this season?

Drakz.7051:

Ogre when did you start playing ranked matches this season?

Last week

And I do not think legendary players can play in to low a div unless they roll a new account which some do anyway because legendary has such huge wait times xD

Drakz.7051:

Look at legendary right now, many have to wait hours and their matches are still steamrolls xD they still have players that quit when they have less points 1 minute into a match.

Queue times at x1 Legend are approximately 5 minutes.

Drakz.7051:

And say you get a team of 2 non druids, reg war a thief and your class against a scrapper, tempest, dh, reaper and Glint Rev. Who o you think will win? This happens alot frequently, do not forget alot of new players who jump straight into league with know knowledge of maps or their class.

I just think it is hilarious that you put DH on the “good team” comp. That probably sums up your understanding of the meta.

Also you can’t play ranked as a new player. There is a PvP rank requirement before you can queue. And if you are matched with these individuals then that says more about you then it does about matchmaking.

Well then most of the good players had already left and since your mmr was lets say 0 you have a pretty good chance of being placed against a lower mmr team. And Ruby is known as mmr hell as it is still full of people who got carried xD

The legendarys rollin new accounts was just what I heard from one of the legendary forums pages, not sure how accurate it actually is.

Dh and reaper can combo well, solo they are squishy but what would I know, I have to find people in groups of 3 or 2 solo not the other way around.

End of the day a majority of the people doing ranked are unsatisfied, how will Tha work long term when people won’t bother with s3? Or quit entirely because all aspects of post HoT is mediocre.

Drakz.7051:

Dh and reaper can combo well, solo they are squishy but what would I know, I have to find people in groups of 3 or 2 solo not the other way around.

End of the day a majority of the people doing ranked are unsatisfied, how will Tha work long term when people won’t bother with s3? Or quit entirely because all aspects of post HoT is mediocre.

50% of players are placed into a below-average rank. Halo 3 had a really high skill capped system. The game’s popularity with its competitive scene out-shined the amount of losers who gave up and went to an easier game (CoD). The ends justify the means with having a good matchmaking/rating system.

The issue is having players quit because of other related items. Such as the desert borderlands in WvW, and warrior-only players being neglected by essentially staying the same when they were already a weak class right before the expansion; more-so now with every other class getting buffed (hence I’m not buying the expansion). Also some other reasons that don’t come to the top of my head.

Ogre.3124:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Celeras.4980:

The QQ is always from the same posters as well. Some people just can’t come to terms with their own skill cap, so they’d rather play the forums then play the game.

The only problem with the matchmaking is that bad players can’t lose their rank. Checkpoints allow them to grind higher than they should be, which puts them in a place where they will continually get poor matchups as the majority of players in their range are better than them. Let them drop and watch as they get good, competitive matches in T1 Amber.

So you mean to tell me 2 warriors a thief, a ranger and a DH and dear a team of 2 ele’s and 3 reapers if all the players are of equal skill?

I don’t think so. Now if the first team was made up.of better players, then yes that could and should happen. But in most cases it will not.

Law of averages: lmgtfy.com/?q=law+of+averages

Perhaps not being able to think past a current game is part of why you’re so bad.

Lol think much of your self? Sorry but some faceless keyboard warrior define my ability.

Ogre.3124:

volpenvieh.3201:

Last week I did the stupid mistake of playing a lot of pvp during the morning which often resulted in more than half of my team mates just trying to do their daily (e.g. 3 engis in the team when engi was daily) and completely killed my mmr. As far as I remember I lost like 10 matches in a row, won 2, lost 10 again, won 2 and then lost 15 (!!!) before – after doing some unranked in between and feeling sorry for all the unexperienced players that I continuously killed there – I finally got the 3 wins in a row that I needed to get into ruby (which btw of cause was in the evening hours).
I’m not saying that I’m a good player, probably just average, but if 3 out of 5 people completely ignore team chat, pings and targets and just run to suicide at mid / enemy lord 1 by 1 all the time there’s not much you can do to carry your team.
Btw I’ve often noticed over the last two seasons that I suddendly start losing A LOT more when I’m in the last tier of a division. But never before has it been as bad as those past 3 days.

Blaming a loss based on teammates not pinging the map is some great joke material. I play non-exp warrior and made it to Ruby with ~3 losses by carrying. Won every 1v1 (except couple times to a scrapper) then camped between Home and Mid node. Carried teammates who literally keyboard turned.

If you have the expansion you should setup a Scrapper / Reaper / and a Rev on your character list. Practice in unranked to get used to each class. Queue with a really good friend, swap classes based on comp, and boom you’re Legend (if you’re actually good). Pretty easy strat. Not being able to do this is entirely on your skill level.

Heck even if you’re not skilled just bribe some really good players to carry you. Give some popular Legend player(s) 25g a win. Run a full bunker scrapper and have some them carry you. There’s always a way. This incessant kittening from stupid and/or unskilled players is nothing but humorous

I think you misread the point that you refered to and overlooked all of the others. It’s not about people not pinging the map, it’s about people ignoring pings (sometimes even on purpose) and instead just suiciding over and over again. And it’s not this one thing alone, it’s the combination of all of the above.
Sorry that I don’t want to be carried but rather improve myself. But of cause that makes me unskilled I guess.

I’m not saying that I’m a good player, probably just average, but if 3 out of 5 people completely ignore team chat, pings and targets and just run to suicide at mid / enemy lord 1 by 1 all the time there’s not much you can do to carry your team.

And you did not follow your teammates to kill the lord? Seems like doing so would have won you the game. Intelligence is considered a skill, I believe.

Team mates do not group to go to lord often so they usually get killed by the average of say 2 even 3 players on def plus the lord and adds

brannigan.9831:

The reason there is no MMR hell is because you are being teamed with people closest to you in the league in MMR. So simple logic would tell you if there bad you couldn’t be much better. I think the idea some are clinging too is somehow teammates caused there MMR to tank so now they are stuck with bad players as teammates every match which is dubious because your MMR is etablished over many many games.

I would agree with you IF, and that is an important IF, there was no “can’t loose pips and tiers in the ladder”.

At this point I’m not sure if its intentional or not from people arguing like you do here to ignore the very discussed impact of what that can mean for low/average MMR players to have a lot of non-ruby level player in the pool of possible teammates for them because the ladder was a reward track before ruby.

At this point simply dismissing things like you do is frankly disturbing with all the infos you have.

Celeras.4980:

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And if you are matched with these individuals then that says more about you then it does about matchmaking.

I generally agree that despite the current systems caveats, in theory it is a much better system for a “ranked ladder”, but I have an issue with this last statement of yours.

Last season I solo’d and duo’d to legendary in roughly 200 games (amber to legendary), in about a week. I’m an above average player, and I’ve spent the majority of my 3 years in PvP exclusively. Again not touting my own horn, but I was also 2700+ rated in 2s in another very popular MMO, as well as holding R1-R3 spots on several private servers dedicated to the game. I know I’m not the best, but I’m far from a bad player. To get to the point though…

I’ve rarely played since getting to diamond this season, and most games were complete blowouts with long winstreaks the way there. After taking a week long break and coming back to PvP exclusively soloQ, I either get matched with great players, or awful players. One game I’ll have Vallun, Ostrich, or other well known players on my team. In the next game I’ll have a staff guardian trolling mid, GS necros on the opposing teams who don’t do a thing to help there team and honestly don’t know a thing about this game. If your team is based upon your MMR within a certain range, why would anyone get such an extreme variation of player skill?

Now are these people trolling, who knows?

Are they just on for daily participation and class wins, on a class they know nothing about, who knows?

There are most certainly some L2P issues, and at the same time there are good players genuinely stuck being underrated due to volatile players. While in theory I still think the system had good intentions and a better approach than season 1, there are complaints from every direction. Whether those complaints are queue times, massive loss streaks, blowouts at all ranks, unskilled players in every bracket, trolls, afkers, there is nothing being done currently by ANET to cull any of those issues.

In it’s current direction, PvP will kill itself off. I am by no means stating that it can’t be saved, or that it’s some easy fix (clearly it is not as the list of issues are just getting longer and longer), but PvP as a gamemode and community has become very toxic.

PvP needs some serious attention, not just bandaide patches in between seasons. And the even bigger issue is that so does WvW, and PvE as well. No living story content for months, repeated PvE grind, tons of gated content; essentially a huge move in the opposite direction of the statement that “was” GW2. I only hope that Mike can save the mess that GW2 has become as a whole in a relatively short period of time.

TLDR: there are obviously issues with the current system and structure of PvP

Ogre.3124:

I’m not saying that I’m a good player, probably just average, but if 3 out of 5 people completely ignore team chat, pings and targets and just run to suicide at mid / enemy lord 1 by 1 all the time there’s not much you can do to carry your team.

And you did not follow your teammates to kill the lord? Seems like doing so would have won you the game. Intelligence is considered a skill, I believe.

Why would anyone go lord at 75 points? And no, I was defending close, rest of the team was at mid – as was discussed in team chat before – and that one player just kept running lord on his own again and again and again (to give one match as an example).
Yes, intelligence is a skill that you seem to lack or else you wouldn’t try to keep blaming me. But please, keep trolling. I’m out.

You started the season late and sailed trough alot of bad players to Ruby? Which is also filled with people who got carried or had easy wins and now think they are good xD.

And what proof do you have of being in a high division? You can find any number of screenshots online so that wouldn’t even count so live stream or lies ;3 anyway have fun getting a loss streak to tier 1 xD

Your story sounded like a lie either way the moment you said you where a non exp war xD plus a week and up 4 divs smells like a desperate grab for attention from a scrub. Later xD

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Wow 15 character, I am impressed, except anyone can make 15 chars. You have only posted on the forums today and only this one, so apart from ranked wat do you know about other people opinions apart from what you have seen in this one xD

Maybe if you actually contribute to other posts I’d take your opinion a little more less than a joke xD

Ogre.3124:

k

15 characters

It’s a good thing you rock at pvp…

You’ve mained warrior since the height of the GvG scene. Non-exped warrior my kitten .

That being said, you did a great job of trolling all these ruby plebs. Hats off to you.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Sorry, gonna prove you wrong with the “every other post from every other user” part, lol.

The matchmaking is actually pretty successful in setting up a rank system where people get bucketted out based on their skill, rather than just how many games they played.

High level players are zooming through the early ranks and many people are simply getting capped out at non-legendary ranks, even after putting in a lot of games.

And high level players aren’t really disputing this.

Now, there are problems with the matchmaking (you can never please all the people all the time):

1) People don’t want to acknowledge that they’re not all legendary, or even not diamond and some people are getting lucky win streaks that gets them stuck in a tier beyond where they should be.

2) Legendary players have really long queues because of fewer legendaries and many people with legendary not being incentivized to play more.

But compared to S1, I’d say that this season is better.

ye matchmaking is rlly great,
im 3 pips from legendary and suddenly I get people in my team who suicide far while our team has close/mid… no matter what I say in chat, no matter what I ping on map or other teammates ping on map, those players are determined to get themselves killed by going far over and over and over again and if the team decides to play sides (just giving an example) then those guys who suicide at far then go suicide at mid…
or other fun examples like going lord when we have about 200 points (and are winning) and so making us lose the caps and offcourse the lord rusher dies aswell.

ye matchmaking is rlly great… dream on
atleast last season most of the time I got people in my team who didnt do those stupid things, who actually had a brain they used so soloQ then was actually fun but now it’s just horrible and the only thing it takes to make it horrible is 1 stupid guy in your team.

Dahkeus.8243:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Sorry, gonna prove you wrong with the “every other post from every other user” part, lol.

You’ve proved nothing except that you’re a high mmr player who got gifted a ride to legendary.

morrolan.9608:

Dahkeus.8243:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Sorry, gonna prove you wrong with the “every other post from every other user” part, lol.

You’ve proved nothing except that you’re a high mmr player who got gifted a ride to legendary.

And bigfoot exists. I like to project my lack of skill and the fact I’m stuck in a low division on to others, assuming their road to legendary was all luck. Who am I?

my last 6 match was all 500-xx….how can single player skill have a role in this match?
still the same… you can go afk after 2 min and the game will have the same result.

morrolan.9608:

Dahkeus.8243:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Sorry, gonna prove you wrong with the “every other post from every other user” part, lol.

You’ve proved nothing except that you’re a high mmr player who got gifted a ride to legendary.

Is that really your excuse? omg high mmr u got carried that’s why i can’t get to legend.
So, I got legend on my main which has high mmr, I guess I got carried. I then got legend on two of my alts in 1-2 nights for each, both accounts are new or haven’t stepped foot in pvp. Guess that was just my mmr.

oEnvy.3064:

morrolan.9608:

Dahkeus.8243:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Sorry, gonna prove you wrong with the “every other post from every other user” part, lol.

You’ve proved nothing except that you’re a high mmr player who got gifted a ride to legendary.

Is that really your excuse? omg high mmr u got carried that’s why i can’t get to legend.
So, I got legend on my main which has high mmr, I guess I got carried. I then got legend on two of my alts in 1-2 nights for each, both accounts are new or haven’t stepped foot in pvp. Guess that was just my mmr.

As funny as this is, it also shows that the queue times must be really bad higher up if so many legendary rank players are making free/alt accounts to play games in the league.

oEnvy.3064:

morrolan.9608:

Dahkeus.8243:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

No

And every other post from every other user in this forum disagrees with you as well, Including pro players points of views on how the league/division system works.

Sorry, gonna prove you wrong with the “every other post from every other user” part, lol.

You’ve proved nothing except that you’re a high mmr player who got gifted a ride to legendary.

Is that really your excuse?

What am I trying to find an excuse for? I’m an average player, nothing more, I know I can’t get beyond ruby or diamond so no not making excuses. The fact is no proof has been provided.

Ogre.3124:

Ignoring that my class is the worst in the game (non-exp warrior) the MMR seems pretty solid. Players getting stuck in certain ranks means that the system is working.

Often there is posts here about ‘elo hell’. This is a meme from LoL and is fundamentally flawed logic going that you’re stuck in a rank by your RNG of teammates (of which is false). Based on the law of averages everyone will have equal games where they have to carry, get carried, or have to do just average. Reality is players in higher ranks have had just as many ‘bad teammates’ and won anyways because they’re better than you. With this the bad players are stuck in their respective division and we can finally be esports now. Good job, Anet.

You don’t get it. If you were right, people would reach a level and then have balanced matches with others at a similar skillset. The problem with the game is that it is still blowout games, win or lose, at whatever level you reach. That’s called a failure at matchmaking.

Ogre.3124:

Based on the law of averages everyone will have equal games where they have to carry, get carried, or have to do just average.

No, that’s not how the current system works. Read up and try again.

Once AGAIN. The RESULT of pvp speaks for itself. It doesn’t matter how “good” or “bad” you are, regardless if you win or lose, the matchmaking will deliberately stack IN FAVOR or AGAINST. I’m not a math wiz, I can’t figure out or tell people the algorithm for this stuff, I just look at the results.

Time and time again, each division, from amber to legendary has suffered extreme blowouts. This is inherent in the matchmaking system. People have consistently reported making new accounts and advancing to legendary with them to rack up wins early to take advantage of the matchmaking and get better teammates.

Amusingly, despite the writing on the wall and obvious result, there are people who still, still, STILL think this system takes so-called “skill”! They’ll belch and moan, you’re not “good” enough, you’re a “bad” player! IT DOESN’T MATTER.

IT DOESN’T MATTER how “good” or “bad” you are because THIS ENTIRE LEAGUE SYSTEM DOES NOT EVEN MEASURE SKILL PROPERLY.