Guild Wars 2

Hey, i just think i should share my experience because there is so much salt in the forum right now.

I didnt played last season because i hated how the matchmaking worked then.
Im an average skilled player who mostly go solo into ranked and its the first time im focusing on the fortress map (matchmaking should be the same).

Last round i reached Sapphire and it felt kind of easy. Of corse there where also some hard matches… Most time i also had the winstreak bonus, so it also did not take that much time for me

The only problem in the matchmaking is see is some unbalance in the higher tiers because there are not that mutch players right now. Btw the quere time is about 1-3 minutes.

So, what else? I rly dont think the matchmaking is that bad. And its for sure way better then the last season. Share your thoughts about it, if you also have good experience or you think im just kind of lucky!

(Ah and yes, i played only necro. But where is the problem with that when they are also in the enemy team.)

You can’t be an avg solo player to have this winstreak in season 2. In fact, you can’t be solo queuing to have a winstreak like this. And based on what you wrote, looks like you ran w/ a premade team and got lucky w/ matchmaking.

is there a way i can prove i played all of them soloq? I also opened a thread where i wrote about a problem with the matchmaking yesterday before i understood that its just because there where not that much player in emerald that moment. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Matchmaking-VS-full-premade/first#post6002656

And i “think” im just average because i would never win a game against rly high skilled players. Right now im about 1600 played games (w/l 50/50) over about two and a half years.

edit: btw you honor me with your thoughts! ;D

I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.

You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.

Cynz.9437:

I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.

You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.

Of course you don’t, thats what all the fuss is about….you were lucky in first 3-4 matches, now you’re carried up by been teamed with good players, whiel same skill guy in opposing team is been dragged down because he lost first 3-4 matches

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.

You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.

Of course you don’t, thats what all the fuss is about….you were lucky in first 3-4 matches, now you’re carried up by been teamed with good players, whiel same skill guy in opposing team is been dragged down because he lost first 3-4 matches

yeahhh.. those good players fight off point, leave points undefended, get our points decapped literary under their nose…

i won’t deny i did get some good teammates sometimes but it is really not that often

if what you said was true then every match i had would be 500-30

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.

You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.

Of course you don’t, thats what all the fuss is about….you were lucky in first 3-4 matches, now you’re carried up by been teamed with good players, whiel same skill guy in opposing team is been dragged down because he lost first 3-4 matches

yeahhh.. those good players fight off point, leave points undefended, get our points decapped literary under their nose…

i won’t deny i did get some good teammates sometimes but it is really not that often

if what you said was true then every match i had would be 500-30

If what you said was true, there would be not so many people with 30 wins in a row and 30 losses in a row, either

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.

You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.

Of course you don’t, thats what all the fuss is about….you were lucky in first 3-4 matches, now you’re carried up by been teamed with good players, whiel same skill guy in opposing team is been dragged down because he lost first 3-4 matches

yeahhh.. those good players fight off point, leave points undefended, get our points decapped literary under their nose…

i won’t deny i did get some good teammates sometimes but it is really not that often

if what you said was true then every match i had would be 500-30

If what you said was true, there would be not so many people with 30 wins in a row and 30 losses in a row, either

um actually it was to be expected, as i said before everyone got thrown into same division

take a guess what happens in every single game that has some kind of league system where everyone gets put in same division at begin of the season – new/unexperienced/not amazing players get massacred in matches for first few days

it is normal

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

i won’t miss old system, it discouraged winning games…

velmeister.4187:

You can’t be an avg solo player to have this winstreak in season 2. In fact, you can’t be solo queuing to have a winstreak like this. And based on what you wrote, looks like you ran w/ a premade team and got lucky w/ matchmaking.

Yea you can. I’m on a 12 game winning streak solo queue.

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

How is that personal attack?
What the fact that everyone is in the same division has to do with fact that some teams constantly win and some constantly lose? How come losers never meet other losers so they get some points?
If you have 24 teams in NBA, should those ranked 23 and 24 play all day all the time against #1 and #2 as its case now, or should #23 and #24 meet sometimes and decide between themselves who’s #23 and #24 (as it was in previous PVP season matchmaking)?

Cynz.9437:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

i won’t miss old system, it discouraged winning games…

really? you used to loose games on purpose? Thats horrible, didn’t ever cross my mind, I was always playing to win

i just wanna say also that this matchmaking is great. alot of close matches like only 100 points gap. every now and then a huge gap but thats expected when ur team wipe and snowball.

I vastly prefer this system to the old one. This one actually rewards good players instead of punishing them like the old one did, plus, hopefully, once everyone sorts into their correct division, it’ll actually be some kind of measure of “skill” unlike the last season.

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

How is that personal attack?
What the fact that everyone is in the same division has to do with fact that some teams constantly win and some constantly lose? How come losers never meet other losers so they get some points?
If you have 24 teams in NBA, should those ranked 23 and 24 play all day all the time against #1 and #2 as its case now, or should #23 and #24 meet sometimes and decide between themselves who’s #23 and #24 (as it was in previous PVP season matchmaking)?

He is right, it is to be expected considering mmr drop from not playing ranked for a long time in combination with division reset

Quadox.7834:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

How is that personal attack?
What the fact that everyone is in the same division has to do with fact that some teams constantly win and some constantly lose? How come losers never meet other losers so they get some points?
If you have 24 teams in NBA, should those ranked 23 and 24 play all day all the time against #1 and #2 as its case now, or should #23 and #24 meet sometimes and decide between themselves who’s #23 and #24 (as it was in previous PVP season matchmaking)?

He is right, it is to be expected considering mmr drop from not playing ranked for a long time in combination with division reset

Care to explain/point WHERE Anet stated that team with bad MMR can’t get paired with another bad MMR team to give them chance to win once in a while?

Nikola.3841:

Quadox.7834:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

How is that personal attack?
What the fact that everyone is in the same division has to do with fact that some teams constantly win and some constantly lose? How come losers never meet other losers so they get some points?
If you have 24 teams in NBA, should those ranked 23 and 24 play all day all the time against #1 and #2 as its case now, or should #23 and #24 meet sometimes and decide between themselves who’s #23 and #24 (as it was in previous PVP season matchmaking)?

He is right, it is to be expected considering mmr drop from not playing ranked for a long time in combination with division reset

Care to explain/point WHERE Anet stated that team with bad MMR can’t get paired with another bad MMR team to give them chance to win once in a while?

Low MMR teams can’t get paired with other low MMR teams because MMR isn’t used in matchmaking (only in putting teams together). It’s not difficult to understand.

Pakkazull.6894:

Nikola.3841:

Quadox.7834:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

How is that personal attack?
What the fact that everyone is in the same division has to do with fact that some teams constantly win and some constantly lose? How come losers never meet other losers so they get some points?
If you have 24 teams in NBA, should those ranked 23 and 24 play all day all the time against #1 and #2 as its case now, or should #23 and #24 meet sometimes and decide between themselves who’s #23 and #24 (as it was in previous PVP season matchmaking)?

He is right, it is to be expected considering mmr drop from not playing ranked for a long time in combination with division reset

Care to explain/point WHERE Anet stated that team with bad MMR can’t get paired with another bad MMR team to give them chance to win once in a while?

Low MMR teams can’t get paired with other low MMR teams because MMR isn’t used in matchmaking (only in putting teams together). It’s not difficult to understand.

Read again what you wrote.
I expect you’ll maybe understand whats wrong in your post if you read it few times

Nikola.3841:

Care to explain/point WHERE Anet stated that team with bad MMR can’t get paired with another bad MMR team to give them chance to win once in a while?

Pakkazull.6894:

Low MMR teams can’t get paired with other low MMR teams because MMR isn’t used in matchmaking (only in putting teams together). It’s not difficult to understand.

Nikola.3841:

Read again what you wrote.
I expect you’ll maybe understand whats wrong in your post if you read it few times

I really don’t.

You were basically saying, “low MMR teams should get matched up with other low MMR teams to give them a chance to win every once in a while”. My response is that you can’t actively match up low MMR teams against one another because MMR isn’t being used in matchmaking. Of course, low MMR teams could, by chance, be matched up because they were both within the same pip range, but that is something else entirely.

So what exactly was wrong with my post?

Pakkazull.6894:

Nikola.3841:

Care to explain/point WHERE Anet stated that team with bad MMR can’t get paired with another bad MMR team to give them chance to win once in a while?

Pakkazull.6894:

Low MMR teams can’t get paired with other low MMR teams because MMR isn’t used in matchmaking (only in putting teams together). It’s not difficult to understand.

Nikola.3841:

Read again what you wrote.
I expect you’ll maybe understand whats wrong in your post if you read it few times

I really don’t.

You were basically saying, “low MMR teams should get matched up with other low MMR teams to give them a chance to win every once in a while”. My response is that you can’t actively match up low MMR teams against one another because MMR isn’t being used in matchmaking. Of course, low MMR teams could, by chance, be matched up because they were both within the same pip range, but that is something else entirely.

So what exactly was wrong with my post?

Its OK now that you added “actively”…I never said that MMR should be used ACTIVELY, but when out of 30 matches you’re always matched against stronger, it seems that MMR actually IS used actively…to put low vs high ones.
If that would not be the case, people would have at least one in 4 wins, not 0 in 30

Right, that makes sense. Sorry, I just assumed you meant you wanted Anet to implement some kind of feature actively matching low MMR teams against each other. My bad.

Hi i usually avoid forums but i want to talk about what i experienced in this season. I managed to have a look at it from 2 totally different perspectives. I have 2 accounts i play PvP with. My main acc has a high MMR (several 1000 played ranked games, high winrate). My second acc made it to ruby t4 last season after i managed to get prim champ on main acc. My sec acc is rank 80 and had a good winrate in season1, so a good (but still not totally high) MMR (from what i experienced). But it has very low number of ranked games, under 150 (i leveled this acc in unranked, because we had no ranked this time). With MMR changing from rank to number of played ranked games, the MMR of this acc dropped remarkable as i experience now in season 2.

So what happened the last days? I only talk about solo queuing:

I sure started with my main acc into season 2, experienced insane wins after wins. Getting good teammates and get matched vs very, and i mean VERY low skilled teams. So free wins, even with some disconnect issues my team could have won the games 4vs5. Most (not all) games won with less then 100 points on enemyteam. So what feeling do i have with that acc? I think, why does anet waste my time with present me freewins up to sap-div (i switched to sec acc at this point) instead of let me start in higher division right from the start? Sure it is nice to get pips that easy, but it is also no fun and it is incredible boring. Also i cannot see the skill in that…

As i mentioned i switched to my sec acc, really uninformed at this point about new MMR and matchmaking. So i thought lets get this acc out of low divison too, as long as this is working so well for me.

Now with this acc i got matched with ppl seems to play their first pvp matches life and got matched against teams with much higher skill lvl then my four teammates. The difference in teamskill was so high, not even god could carry this to a victory. With this acc i face like 4-6 looses (incl ppl going afk early because of frustration every second match) and then get one win with 2 pips. Will get me out of amber but i sure will not try any further. It is like a totally different world my sec acc live in… The whole winratio/ MMR of this acc drop drastically with every hour i play this acc.

My thought with this acc: Why is anet wasting my time and my MMR to feed me to high MMR teams to give them freewins and carry them into heaven? And how can i higher my MMR on this acc? Ok i need to play more ranked games to higher the number (what is part of MMR now) but if i loose like 60-70% of the games like 50-500 because of the new league matchmaking, then my MMR will drop in the same time. I feel like just delete this acc, it is doomed anyway… and between the seasons there is no ranked where i could grind some MMR for the next season…

Sure it is only sec acc, i can wait with it until things settled down. But what is with other ppl having only one acc, with low MMR, how can they improve without being barred from league for the first days? They cannot improve when they just get destroyed by much better teams. Also will things really settle down with the time? If the new matchmaking always match lower MMR teams vs higher MMR teams to give them easy wins? Maybe the skill-difference between the teams will be lower when things settle down but the system seems to punish lower MMR through all divisions because it seems to be inherent in the system now. And it feels like high skill don`t help (at least as long as the MMR-difference between the teams is that insane high).

I`m not an expert in MMR and matchmaking, i usually just play PvP without think about this, because i never had a problem with any acc to build up a good MMR over the time. So if i got something wrong i`m happy about every explanation and also tips how i can get my sec acc out of his way down. Please don`t come with arguments like “get better”, i face matchups with this acc sure unwinable no matter what i do in like 70% of all matches and i can win matches with my main acc during playing GTA on a second pc…

So yes, i can understand that there are ppl in this forum love the new matchmaking because it give us pips very fast and without that much effort (on high MMR accounts), but i also can understand all ppl crying about the massacre they face when they join with a low MMR account.

All things are from experience playing amber-sap division with different accounts, if it is getting better in high tier sap and above i don`t know it.

No words about what happens atm in ranked, serious anyone think its fine?

melcor.1094:

No words about what happens atm in ranked, serious anyone think its fine?

Yes most of those on 30+ wins in a row people think its perfectly fine

melcor.1094:

No words about what happens atm in ranked, serious anyone think its fine?

dont forget , there are as many people with 20+ losestrike as are with 20+ winstrike

im on the side with the winstrikes but i also play bunker ele which can carry a match

No it’s not fine, many people end up with really bad teammates, you cannot carry a team if 4/5 of the team play like they’re like new to sPvP, vs a group that seem to know what they’re doing.

It’s not a L2P issue, it feels alot like luck/RNG involved.

It also doesn’t help that even though Anet says they fixed the premade teams issue, they really didn’t. I’m still seeing one side full of pugs and the other side having at least 3 people form one guild on it. Its pretty sad that you basically can’t solo pug without a good MMR or without a party of your own. This system is still very flawed.

Hm, still not seeing the problem. If it is true that good players are teamed up with other good players vs random (maybe lower) skilled players, the lower divisions will soon balance themselves because the more skilled players move forward to higher divisions. There the same game will repeat and the better ones will again faster move forward. So if you have problems with winning matches, you can just wait a few days and the problem should solve itself.

Sabatier.9634:

Hm, still not seeing the problem. If it is true that good players are teamed up with other good players vs random (maybe lower) skilled players, the lower divisions will soon balance themselves because the more skilled players move forward to higher divisions. There the same game will repeat and the better ones will again faster move forward. So if you have problems with winning matches, you can just wait a few days and the problem should solve itself.

Except this will likely never happen because you wont have all of the good players out of the lower ranks until near the end of the league. Good to decent players will always join at later dates simply because they have a life can’t afford to grind their ranks up in the first few days of the league. There will likely always be a steady stream of this kind of match making happening for most of the league. It may get slightly better but i wouldn’t expect it to get to a balanced state any time soon.

Sabatier.9634:

Hm, still not seeing the problem. If it is true that good players are teamed up with other good players vs random (maybe lower) skilled players, the lower divisions will soon balance themselves because the more skilled players move forward to higher divisions. There the same game will repeat and the better ones will again faster move forward. So if you have problems with winning matches, you can just wait a few days and the problem should solve itself.

Not if the system in general prefer to match up lower MMR teams vs higher MMR teams. Maybe the difference between these teams will get smaller when things settle down, but someone who started with a lower MMR (because of bad luck in the start of the season or because of other reasons, like a second account) seems to have a harder time all over the season and that does not necessarily mean he is a worse player then the once being more lucky at start. Unfairness seems to be system inherent. And i see it that way even though i am one of the lucky person having one account getting freewin over freewin.

Nikola.3841:

melcor.1094:

No words about what happens atm in ranked, serious anyone think its fine?

Yes most of those on 30+ wins in a row people think its perfectly fine

I`m one of them but i can`t feel pro because of it. Maybe i lack in selfish view and tunnel vision.

Nikola.3841:

Quadox.7834:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

How is that personal attack?
What the fact that everyone is in the same division has to do with fact that some teams constantly win and some constantly lose? How come losers never meet other losers so they get some points?
If you have 24 teams in NBA, should those ranked 23 and 24 play all day all the time against #1 and #2 as its case now, or should #23 and #24 meet sometimes and decide between themselves who’s #23 and #24 (as it was in previous PVP season matchmaking)?

He is right, it is to be expected considering mmr drop from not playing ranked for a long time in combination with division reset

Care to explain/point WHERE Anet stated that team with bad MMR can’t get paired with another bad MMR team to give them chance to win once in a while?

As far as i know, MMR in ranked is separate from Unranked. Noone has played ranked for months as it has been locked > this leads to the same MMR drop that would take place if you took a break from the game for a couple of months. Don’t quote me on it though.