Guild Wars 2

Hmm, reading about all the complaints about the matchmaking, it’s very strange.

I can’t think of any real-life competitive activity where players even expect perfect, even matches most of the time.

In soccer, Australia doesn’t complain if they have to play Brazil in the World Cup.
In Street Fighter 2 (or 4…), I don’t complain if I turn up to a tournament and get crushed because I’m just a casual.
In my amateur basketball league, even though we had separate divisions based on skill, there were still plenty of variations in skill within the division, and we were crushed (or crushed others) fairly regularly.
In an FPS game, they don’t divide servers into skill levels – you just join a server, and let the pros in the match relentlessly kill you over and over.

I also notice very few complaints on the forum that go like, “Oh, I play with my friends in a premade and I’m sick and tired of winning all the time.” The whiners are exclusively people who come to the forum to complain about losing. And then they blame poor teammates, and premade opponents (and usually Justin comes along with evidence that they were bad and wrong.)

Face it: In a competitive environment, if you suck, you lose. In a team based game, the ability to coordinate with your team (even just to -form- a team) is part of skill.

What’s the point of this thread? There is no point. Sore losers and prima donnas have always existed and always will. But I’d like to provide a space for right-thinking people to stand in a circle and collectively spray our mockery onto these crybaby princesses.

Every post I’ve ever made like this got me promptly infracted hopefully you have better luck if not just enjoy when Justin shuts down the whiners with facts.

Heheh, thanks for the support. Hah.

I had a team made up in ranked who had Rank 10~30, meanwhile I’m 50.
Got owned like 500:150.
I pretty think that majority of matchmaking threads are about putting high ranked and experienced players with beginners, because of some silly rating – newbie gonna win 3 matches in a row and his rating is already high.

Thanks to such system, I’m around 50% win chance and it’s pretty much frustrating getting such people in team, because it puts a newbie equally with me who has behind hundreds of matches.

If Dungeon Reward Track didn’t exist, I pretty much wouldn’t even appear in HotM.

Tao.5096:

I had a team made up in ranked who had Rank 10~30, meanwhile I’m 50.
Got owned like 500:150.
I pretty think that majority of matchmaking threads are about putting high ranked and experienced players with beginners, because of some silly rating – newbie gonna win 3 matches in a row and his rating is already high.

Thanks to such system, I’m around 50% win chance and it’s pretty much frustrating getting such people in team, because it puts a newbie equally with me who has behind hundreds of matches.

But 50% win rate means the matchmaking is working perfectly? That’s how matchmaking is supposed to be….

Both sides have equal chance to get newbie players, as well. So your opponents are in the same boat. Since you have 50% win rate, quite likely that you’ve been on the other side of the equation before too. But I don’t see you mentioning those “unfair victories”, huh princess?

In a low-population game like this, it’s foolish to expect that you’ll always have a bunch of equal players available at exactly the moment you’re queuing for a match. The only way to guarantee that is to form a party.

He even admits he is only here for the rewards…. and admits he wins 50% yet is still unhappy….

i did post quite few times that is hardly fun to get one sided matches where you just pretty much farm enemy team at their spawn point :/

the current matchmaking isn’t fun neither for winning nor for losing team in long run

not so amazing players shouldn’t be facing full premades or good players in general, it will just lead to both sides quiting pvp at some point (for good players because of boredom, for bad players because of frustration of contantly losing) and reducing community overall

old matchmaking/LB/yoloq vs teamq was flawed but was better than current one in some ways imo

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Brazilians and Australians, both are paid money to play. This is their job.
I don’t play this game to earn money. I play it to relax from making money, Can you see the slightly difference?

Australians can’t say “this is not fun I’m out of here, I’ll go to play another sport.”
I can.

Playerbase is already very low, judging by the endless queue, followed by one-sided matches. This makes it lower every day. Catch 22.

I pretty much just ignore every post about matchmaking when I see that all is in vain thing…

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

Rieselle.5079:

But 50% win rate means the matchmaking is working perfectly? That’s how matchmaking is supposed to be….

No, it doesn’t. There is a thread where Justin said that this system only group people by rating, and that’s why I gave an example with rating problem.

Both sides have equal chance to get newbie players, as well. So your opponents are in the same boat. Since you have 50% win rate, quite likely that you’ve been on the other side of the equation before too. But I don’t see you mentioning those “unfair victories”, huh princess?

Win rate alone isn’t a problem.
I don’t mind when my kitten get whooped by players who outplay me or simply are better. I rarely consider anything from skill sets to be really unfair/overpowered, due to my habit to test those stuff myself and always try to figure out the advantages and weaknesses of those skills/attributes.

In a low-population game like this, it’s foolish to expect that you’ll always have a bunch of equal players available at exactly the moment you’re queuing for a match. The only way to guarantee that is to form a party.

Gw2 isn’t low populated.
Anet refuse to give exact number, or even rounded one.
But I tend to remember people I play with/against in pvp, and I can tell, that there is a vast amount of players who play PvP Arena.

imaclown.1628:

He even admits he is only here for the rewards…. and admits he wins 50% yet is still unhappy….

Let’s be straight.
What I refer to be frustrating, is when I’m put in match full of newbies.
I’m dragged to their level, meanwhile I want challenge.
I alone cannot contribute much for my team, because they behave like bots, scatter around mindlessly, fail to kill Mob with 3 people without dying to it, and when they decide to go with 3 people to enemy Home, they even fail to neutralize while wiping and wasting time.
Addition to it, is that they mostly refuse to accept the fact that they’re newbies and don’t listen to simple advices – language isn’t a problem, since flaming with Caps Lock is something they have mastered quite a time ago.
It’s only a russian roulette in such matches, either, your team listens or enemy does to someone who’s actually experienced and knowledgeable about current map.

This is an issue with Rating Matchmaking.
I don’t believe that newbies shouldn’t be allowed to enter ranked or go to custom, as some people demand, but there should be a line drawn, which separates experienced players from newbies.

And yes, to make such matches, which happen quite often, to be less frustrating and irritating, I’m simply lying to myself that even due to such pathetic matches and loses, I get some rewards from Tracks.
Because if not those Tracks, then I would simply stop going to PvP Arenas, to get kittened off by unfortunately, not really good matchmaking system.

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

Tao.5096:

Rieselle.5079:

But 50% win rate means the matchmaking is working perfectly? That’s how matchmaking is supposed to be….

No, it doesn’t. There is a thread where Justin said that this system only group people by rating, and that’s why I gave an example with rating problem.

Both sides have equal chance to get newbie players, as well. So your opponents are in the same boat. Since you have 50% win rate, quite likely that you’ve been on the other side of the equation before too. But I don’t see you mentioning those “unfair victories”, huh princess?

Win rate alone isn’t a problem.
I don’t mind when my kitten get whooped by players who outplay me or simply are better. I rarely consider anything from skill sets to be really unfair/overpowered, due to my habit to test those stuff myself and always try to figure out the advantages and weaknesses of those skills/attributes.

In a low-population game like this, it’s foolish to expect that you’ll always have a bunch of equal players available at exactly the moment you’re queuing for a match. The only way to guarantee that is to form a party.

Gw2 isn’t low populated.
Anet refuse to give exact number, or even rounded one.
But I tend to remember people I play with/against in pvp, and I can tell, that there is a vast amount of players who play PvP Arena.

imaclown.1628:

He even admits he is only here for the rewards…. and admits he wins 50% yet is still unhappy….

Let’s be straight.
What I refer to be frustrating, is when I’m put in match full of newbies.
I’m dragged to their level, meanwhile I want challenge.
I alone cannot contribute much for my team, because they behave like bots, scatter around mindlessly, fail to kill Mob with 3 people without dying to it, and when they decide to go with 3 people to enemy Home, they even fail to neutralize while wiping and wasting time.
Addition to it, is that they mostly refuse to accept the fact that they’re newbies and don’t listen to simple advices – language isn’t a problem, since flaming with Caps Lock is something they have mastered quite a time ago.
It’s only a russian roulette in such matches, either, your team listens or enemy does to someone who’s actually experienced and knowledgeable about current map.

This is an issue with Rating Matchmaking.
I don’t believe that newbies shouldn’t be allowed to enter ranked or go to custom, as some people demand, but there should be a line drawn, which separates experienced players from newbies.

And yes, to make such matches, which happen quite often, to be less frustrating and irritating, I’m simply lying to myself that even due to such pathetic matches and loses, I get some rewards from Tracks.
Because if not those Tracks, then I would simply stop going to PvP Arenas, to get kittened off by unfortunately, not really good matchmaking system.

Soooo… I guess I’m even more amazed that you have been able to keep a 50% win rate with all these issuess. Keep up the fantastic work Justin!

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

SWTOR also. At least it has a variety of different pvp game modes though.

Xterra.6172:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

SWTOR also. At least it has a variety of different pvp game modes though.

There are plenty more…. if anyones been pvping online for more than 5 years I’m sure they have had plenty of experience with it. If they haven’t they come here to cry =)

Rieselle.5079:

Hmm, reading about all the complaints about the matchmaking, it’s very strange.

I can’t think of any real-life competitive activity where players even expect perfect, even matches most of the time.

In soccer, Australia doesn’t complain if they have to play Brazil in the World Cup.
In Street Fighter 2 (or 4…), I don’t complain if I turn up to a tournament and get crushed because I’m just a casual.
In my amateur basketball league, even though we had separate divisions based on skill, there were still plenty of variations in skill within the division, and we were crushed (or crushed others) fairly regularly.
In an FPS game, they don’t divide servers into skill levels – you just join a server, and let the pros in the match relentlessly kill you over and over.

I also notice very few complaints on the forum that go like, “Oh, I play with my friends in a premade and I’m sick and tired of winning all the time.” The whiners are exclusively people who come to the forum to complain about losing. And then they blame poor teammates, and premade opponents (and usually Justin comes along with evidence that they were bad and wrong.)

Face it: In a competitive environment, if you suck, you lose. In a team based game, the ability to coordinate with your team (even just to -form- a team) is part of skill.

What’s the point of this thread? There is no point. Sore losers and prima donnas have always existed and always will. But I’d like to provide a space for right-thinking people to stand in a circle and collectively spray our mockery onto these crybaby princesses.

You are trying to compare real life teams and leagues like NBA with gw2 spvp? You notice that even if one soccer or basketball team are worse than the other they still are a TEAM. They play together, they train together, they get paid for that… Do you think a soccer team would succeed getting 11 random players without time to develop a strategy or teamwork?

Now try to get 11 guys from a high school and put them play against Germany.

If your 5 players are not on ts you probably will have a bad time with bad communication. Also you have the chance of getting 1 rage quiter/afk/etc. It is like if in real life you had a chance of playing 10 vs 11 in soccer. Now talking about class comp. Imagine a soccer team with 11 strikers and no goalkeeper? That is basically what CAN happen when soloers fight a premade. You could have Cristiano Ronaldo in your team but with no strategy, random players, random class comp he wont be able to carry the team vs any average normal TEAM.

Xterra.6172:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

SWTOR also. At least it has a variety of different pvp game modes though.

Then those games are trash. In a real PvP game with smart developers that would never happen.

glock.6590:

Xterra.6172:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

SWTOR also. At least it has a variety of different pvp game modes though.

Then those games are trash. In a real PvP game with smart developers that would never happen.

You mean like gw2?

I’m not sure if you’re in denial of the poor matchmaking system or just tired of all the whining, but there is a problem atm. There is no longer an option to choose to solo q, it’s like everyone has been funneled into team q whether or not they have a team, and that’s why people are so frustrated.

I used to play in both team q and solo q (mostly team q though) and I did notice that in solo q there is a lot less skill and perfect timing involved in matches. That’s not necessarily a bad thing though, not everyone wants to make becoming an elite pvper a full-time job. The people who used to enjoy solo q feel robbed, and rightfully so. There’s absolutely no way for them to avoid getting crushed by full premades anymore unless they try to form their own premade groups, and that takes away the fun for a lot of people. And don’t kid yourself, not all premades think it’s fun to endlessly crush pugs with no challenge whatsoever, either. That’s just my opinion though, and you’re welcome to disagree.