Guild Wars 2

Hello.

I think the trait gives too much utilty and is totaly overpowered. Not the part where it hits through evades, but the whole thing, it puts out more blinds than a guardian and makes counter pressure against the initial 20k stealth burst even harder.

Replacement?
Maybe if it was clutch 1s blind, but i would still rather see it gone, shatters already have a lot of extra stuff with them after 3 traitlines.

I actually think this a great trait, especially because it creatively addresses the age-old problem of “thief hardcounters mesmers,” but with a high skill-cap.

The real problem is that some of the other traits are a little over-budget, such as PU, power block, and shatter improvement traits that just push the damage a little too-high.

Nah. It’s a great trait simply for the fact that it opens up build diversity. It allows for a defensive option in place of other defensive options. Stick with removing the hits through evade thing and you’ll be golden.

I’m not running it btw.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Nah. It’s a great trait simply for the fact that it opens up build diversity. It allows for a defensive option in place of other defensive options. Stick with removing the hits through evade thing and you’ll be golden.

I’m not running it btw.

Yeah the bug of it going through evade is so annoying. Otherwise it’s fine.

It is a great trait that gives mesmer chance to fight against thief.

Nah, because then “Rampage” would be too op and zero counterplay if you nerf that.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Nah. It’s a great trait simply for the fact that it opens up build diversity. It allows for a defensive option in place of other defensive options. Stick with removing the hits through evade thing and you’ll be golden.

I’m not running it btw.

This.

Mesmop. I like it.

Also:

• Put 10s per-target ICD on Confounding Suggestions
• Make Blinding Dissipation dodgeable
• Change PU to 50-75%

#Mesmop

It’s a good trait, and you don’t see every mesmer running it → more build diversity. Maybe the duration could be reduced just a little bit to make it more skillful, but overall I find it rather balanced.

tetrodoxin.2134:

Mesmop. I like it.

Also:

• Put 10s per-target ICD on Confounding Suggestions
• Make Blinding Dissipation dodgeable
• Change PU to 50-75%

#Mesmop

I disagree on the ICD for Confounding Suggestion. I’d say, instead of putting an increased ICD, make it more skill based. I prefer the solution that stun only is applied, when the daze interrupted the target, similar to Chaoric Interruption, but with actual more requirements for the intended effect (not only interrupt, but daze+interrupt).

Mesmer has already been stripped down hard. Removing blind on shatter would make PU condi and interrupt the two useful builds. Imagine the volume of the cries of “OP” if most Mesmers were running PU.

Realistically Mesmer finally has a survival chance. Thieves have an un-aimed blind and invisibility readily available. Blind on shatter is actually harder to use than pistol 5.

ANET already ripped the guts out of Chaotic Dampening and heal on shatter, Not to mention power block,

There is no need whatsoever to hit Mesmer again. If thief aoe blinds aren’t op, then neither are Mesmer blinds that are harder to produce.

I think this is basically sour grapes because people are surprised to lose to a Mesmer.

There is absolutely a need to further nerf mesmer damage and PU. Same goes for insane burning damage and elementalist sustain which became ridiculous with the new patch.

Chokolata.1870:

There is absolutely a need to further nerf mesmer

Somone got rekt

People should stop describing it as a bug when it goes through evades, they copy/pasted the code for Guardian blind on Virtue of Justice. Its working as intended.

I don’t think that it should work this way though. Be aware though that asking for this to change because you see it as a “bug” may be futile. Its not a bug, ask for it to change because its bad design.

Also another fun fact – the reason Powerblock hit so much harder than Halting at the start is because they copy/pasted LRod from ele to get the Weakness but forgot to change the damage numbers xD

Chokolata.1870:

There is absolutely a need to further nerf mesmer damage and PU. Same goes for insane burning damage and elementalist sustain which became ridiculous with the new patch.

Hold on, mesmer and ele and other classes can’t all be op. The term for op is over powered meaning they stand above all other classes. This seems to be a paradox.

I dont see a single reason for a class to be able to spam blind, especialy when he can spam stealth distortion aegis block interrupts and teleports.
i understand thief that must blind to be able to attack or he get rekt, but mesmer why should be able to spam blind? what is the reason, he has not already enough game mechanics? he has not enough counters interrupts? why…

Calling for nerfs won’t fix much at this point. If you nerf mesmer you will have to nerf ele. then gurdian and mm necro. And once they are all nerfed you will have to nerf all the other currently op classes.

Shala.8352:

I dont see a single reason for a class to be able to spam blind, especialy when he can spam stealth distortion aegis block interrupts and teleports.
i understand thief that must blind to be able to attack or he get rekt, but mesmer why should be able to spam blind? what is the reason, he has not already enough game mechanics? he has not enough counters interrupts? why…

You understand thief need to use blind yet don’t understand mesmer doing the same thing? Thieves also have access to: blind, stealth spam, evade spam (similar to distortion), interrupts and teleports…

it should be evadable imo

Akikaze.1307:

Shala.8352:

I dont see a single reason for a class to be able to spam blind, especialy when he can spam stealth distortion aegis block interrupts and teleports.
i understand thief that must blind to be able to attack or he get rekt, but mesmer why should be able to spam blind? what is the reason, he has not already enough game mechanics? he has not enough counters interrupts? why…

You understand thief need to use blind yet don’t understand mesmer doing the same thing? Thieves also have access to: blind, stealth spam, evade spam (similar to distortion), interrupts and teleports…

Thief doesn’t have evade spam,thief doesn’t that good of AoE blind,thief has lower HP,thief doesn’t stack most of those in one spec, stealthing on thief won’t allow him to attack and remain in stealth,thief doesn’t have mesmer range burst, thief doesn’t have the level of CC+damage as mesmer etc. Just saying…

Sagat.3285:

Akikaze.1307:

Shala.8352:

I dont see a single reason for a class to be able to spam blind, especialy when he can spam stealth distortion aegis block interrupts and teleports.
i understand thief that must blind to be able to attack or he get rekt, but mesmer why should be able to spam blind? what is the reason, he has not already enough game mechanics? he has not enough counters interrupts? why…

You understand thief need to use blind yet don’t understand mesmer doing the same thing? Thieves also have access to: blind, stealth spam, evade spam (similar to distortion), interrupts and teleports…

Thief doesn’t have evade spam,thief doesn’t that good of AoE blind,thief has lower HP,thief doesn’t stack most of those in one spec, stealthing on thief won’t allow him to attack and remain in stealth,thief doesn’t have mesmer range burst, thief doesn’t have the level of CC+damage as mesmer etc. Just saying…

Evade spam – S/D thief*
Pseudo AoE Blind – Pistol 5, (D/P 3 is excellent single target blind though).
Lower hp – slightly higher base armour, negligible though as both get blown up if sneezed on.
Stealth and attack – Allowed continued backstab if it gets evaded/blocked/blinded as it doesn’t reveal the thief.
Low range – agreed
CC – Panic Strike, Pistol 4 daze, Steal, Stolen skills, Basilisk Venom.
Damage – Very comparable, there have been screenshots of people doing 9-10k backstabs recently.

*With the exception of evade spam, all the others can be achieved within the same D/P build. Shortbow 3 can act as an evade spam though.

Akikaze.1307:

Sagat.3285:

Akikaze.1307:

Shala.8352:

I dont see a single reason for a class to be able to spam blind, especialy when he can spam stealth distortion aegis block interrupts and teleports.
i understand thief that must blind to be able to attack or he get rekt, but mesmer why should be able to spam blind? what is the reason, he has not already enough game mechanics? he has not enough counters interrupts? why…

You understand thief need to use blind yet don’t understand mesmer doing the same thing? Thieves also have access to: blind, stealth spam, evade spam (similar to distortion), interrupts and teleports…

Thief doesn’t have evade spam,thief doesn’t that good of AoE blind,thief has lower HP,thief doesn’t stack most of those in one spec, stealthing on thief won’t allow him to attack and remain in stealth,thief doesn’t have mesmer range burst, thief doesn’t have the level of CC+damage as mesmer etc. Just saying…

Evade spam – S/D thief*
Pseudo AoE Blind – Pistol 5, (D/P 3 is excellent single target blind though).
Lower hp – slightly higher base armour, negligible though as both get blown up if sneezed on.
Stealth and attack – Allowed continued backstab if it gets evaded/blocked/blinded as it doesn’t reveal the thief.
Low range – agreed
CC – Panic Strike, Pistol 4 daze, Steal, Stolen skills, Basilisk Venom.
Damage – Very comparable, there have been screenshots of people doing 9-10k backstabs recently.

*With the exception of evade spam, all the others can be achieved within the same D/P build. Shortbow 3 can act as an evade spam though.

Not comparable to thief really mesmer will do it in AoE format and s/d “evade spam” is way easier to deal with more telegraphed as well just like SB and doesn’t do as much damage. You can’t compare Panick Strike thief to lockdown mesmer it’s slower,single target burst,Head Shot has low damage and can’t be casted during other skills,uses vamp runes mesmer just go more with more burst,SA got toned down etc,doesn’t use clones,is more utility focus,stealth can get interrupted,backstab is melee.

this is by far the best update ever I just wanted to say that….about mesmers: yes they need terranerfs hardcore nerfs 10 sec stealth into 20k spammable bursts need to end for a class with soooooo much utility with all the utilty a mesmer has (and everything else) they need to deal significantly LESS damage…their bursts truly can be nerfed by 50%….20k now even on reasonably high armor….if that would be 10k it would still be insane…..full blown nerfs on mesmer rest is fine imo even ele yes, everyone got buffed yes I know…but mesmer is buffed by a whopping 500% compared to others…superb in teamfights and absolutely unrivalled in 1v1…this needs to end, they have no counters seen many and played good pvp matches watched ALOT of top players duel mesmer on all sorts of classes in obsi sanctum as well….mesmer is absolute god tier compared every other class….all of them. blinds clones evades that don’t work on mesmer teleports stealth invulns with burst if desired it’s way way to much…anyone who is fair and knows pvp well will have to admit this denying or whatever is just nonsense seriously hardcore nerfs, rest is cool I think rest is quite balanced in fact

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

Rym.1469:

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

+ [over] 9000
Mesmer is too stronk for sure.
Problem is insane damage, not all those traits that make Mesmer more unique.

Morwath.9817:

Rym.1469:

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

+ [over] 9000
Mesmer is too stronk for sure.
Problem is insane damage, not all those traits that make Mesmer more unique.

the traits they can keep they’re awesome class must stay unique…damage however needs be toned down trmendously at such range and spammabilty with hardly any set up required…don’t pretend the setup of mesmer is hard pls…for it’s not absolutely not!

Last sentence was ment in general not personally aimed at you

Rym.1469:

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

1 hit on the clones and u avoid it if they gonna make it so u can dodge them then they better increase the chance for them to actually walk all the way up to u

Extreme.8350:

Rym.1469:

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

1 hit on the clones and u avoid it if they gonna make it so u can dodge them then they better increase the chance for them to actually walk all the way up to u

problem is on targeted stunbreaks

Coloxeus.3480:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6A5Q-7Reg

Lol if you had been fighting a good shatter mes like Night, you wouldn’t have even had the duel last that long. I said it once and I’ll say it again. Griping about PU is conquest is only gonna make the arkitten mesmers that use that stupid trait, think they are actually so good they deserve to be complained about.

Make blind on shatter grandmaster and swap it with confusion on interrupt. This will force the mesmer to choose between personal defense (blind), utility (mantra) or dps (clone on dodge).

Belial.9350:

Make blind on shatter grandmaster and swap it with confusion on interrupt. This will force the mesmer to choose between personal defense (blind), utility (mantra) or dps (clone on dodge).

So then you couldnt get blind confusion and dodge clone hence neutering the condi shatter build.

The blind on shatter works with the Confusion on blind trait. You need both plus dodge clone to make a condi shatter build that gets double stacks of confusion like condi shatter has always been.

I’m glad the dev’s do balancing and not the forums.

I like that someone said to nerf mesmer damage by 50%. Just imagine if they actually did that. The class would literally be useless. The forums would decry this stupid balancing decision. People would be floored as to how the dev’s could make such a huge and drastic sweeping nerf to a single class.

There was a million firefighters down the street. A million………………………..it’s called hyperbole. Good word to understand.

The trait is fine.

The blind going through dodges and invulnerability however is not and is clearly a bug.

Trait is fine it just makes shattering a little safer which was needed for years, and evens up the thief matchup.

TyPin.9860:

tetrodoxin.2134:

Mesmop. I like it.

Also:

• Put 10s per-target ICD on Confounding Suggestions
• Make Blinding Dissipation dodgeable
• Change PU to 50-75%

#Mesmop

I disagree on the ICD for Confounding Suggestion. I’d say, instead of putting an increased ICD, make it more skill based. I prefer the solution that stun only is applied, when the daze interrupted the target, similar to Chaoric Interruption, but with actual more requirements for the intended effect (not only interrupt, but daze+interrupt).

I disagree, as this kind of play makes it pretty much the same as CI, just… worse. Essentially, it is neither unique nor very good if it becomes on-interrupt.

The ICD does two things: it prevents the synergy with MoD where every mantra charge is essentially a stun and then it buffs certain synergy with AoE dazes, meaning we can stun more people while the individual target spends less time stunned. Perfect fix and compensation, in my opinion.

Dondagora.9645:

The ICD does two things: it prevents the synergy with MoD where every mantra charge is essentially a stun and then it buffs certain synergy with AoE dazes, meaning we can stun more people while the individual target spends less time stunned. Perfect fix and compensation, in my opinion.

What do you mean by “it buffs certain synergy with AoE dazes”?

Godmoney.2048:

I’m glad the dev’s do balancing and not the forums.

Lol prolly the best thing I’ve read all week, made my day right there. Good to see some people still have sense

Coloxeus.3480:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6A5Q-7Reg

This vid lol. What are you trying to show? You getting outplayed?

:D if PU mesmers are so OP why Helseth supcutie and other top tier mesmers are not playing it? Its OP only in solo queues vs bad players…..I must admit its easiest and most rewarding mesmers build tho…..

It allows Mesmer to sort of persist at melee on point instead of being relegated to double ranged kiting, so I’d quite like for it to stay thanks.

Amityel.5324:

:D if PU mesmers are so OP why Helseth supcutie and other top tier mesmers are not playing it? Its OP only in solo queues vs bad players…..I must admit its easiest and most rewarding mesmers build tho…..

Easiest is subjective its easiest against warriors or bunkers and generally really bad players
however… against good players its another story.
Necromancers and dd eles are a uphill battle doable but defently not easy.