Guild Wars 2

To: GW2 Developers

Subject: 4 mantras w/ “Harmonious Mantras” playstyles

GW2 Developers,

Will there be any buff to 4 mantras w/ “Harmonious Mantras” playstyles?

Currently, 4 mantras w/ “Harmonious Mantras” playstyles have no way to produce clones that don’t require a successful “hit” since “Deceptive Evasion” is now a ‘Dueling’ GrandMaster trait – will this change in the future?

In light of the changes to “Prismatic Understanding” (100% stealth duration increase), other GrandMaster traits are lackluster in comparison – therefore encouraging one kind of playstyle from mesmers in PvP which is surprising coming from ANET’s  GW2.

I prefer using 4 mantras w/ “Harmonious Mantras” for their flexibility from being instant cast and don’t mind the tradeoff of cast times and cooldowns and being exposed, though, there should be something given in return to keep 4 mantra w/ “Harmonious Mantras” competitive against the buffs to other/meta playstyles.

Look forward to GW2 developer reply

All is vain.

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There was a very good Mantra change while back ago, which made Mantra spec viable.

But devs reverted that change couple hours after Mantra Mesmer stomped celeddele in tourney.

Sadly, don’t expect any changes in this aspect or any answers for the next 5 years.

Thank you for your understanding.

Tao.1234:

There was a very good Mantra change while back ago, which made Mantra spec viable.

But devs reverted that change couple hours after Mantra Mesmer stomped celeddele in tourney.

Sadly, don’t expect any changes in this aspect or any answers for the next 5 years.

Thank you for your understanding.

Do you remember the change? Why is there such effort to nerf 4-Mantra builds?

KingZmaN.6473:

Tao.1234:

There was a very good Mantra change while back ago, which made Mantra spec viable.

But devs reverted that change couple hours after Mantra Mesmer stomped celeddele in tourney.

Sadly, don’t expect any changes in this aspect or any answers for the next 5 years.

Thank you for your understanding.

Do you remember the change? Why is there such effort to nerf 4-Mantra builds?

They didn’t intend to nerf 4 mantra builds. The build that was nerfed used 2 mantras, the heal and distraction. Mantra of distraction was too strong when combined with power block and confounding suggestions, while the mantra heal with inspiration traits gave too much sustain to a burst based build. Also, a “bug” caused mantras to recharge in the backward after their first charge, making it so that you had very little time where you’d be vulnerable.

I do feel as though they did overnerf it by making harmonious mantras weaker, when they really should have just raised the iCD of confounding suggestions to prevent it from being a brain dead method of not having to use skill and judgement to land your bursts. Mime still plays mantras competitively, whereas most other mesmers just run PU.

Also 4 mantras was never taken, simply because portal and blink are almost mandatory on every competitive Mesmer build, but it does suck when needing an overpowered meta build has consequences for casual/fun creative builds.

nearlight.3064:

KingZmaN.6473:

Tao.1234:

There was a very good Mantra change while back ago, which made Mantra spec viable.

But devs reverted that change couple hours after Mantra Mesmer stomped celeddele in tourney.

Sadly, don’t expect any changes in this aspect or any answers for the next 5 years.

Thank you for your understanding.

Do you remember the change? Why is there such effort to nerf 4-Mantra builds?

They didn’t intend to nerf 4 mantra builds. The build that was nerfed used 2 mantras, the heal and distraction. Mantra of distraction was too strong when combined with power block and confounding suggestions, while the mantra heal with inspiration traits gave too much sustain to a burst based build. Also, a “bug” caused mantras to recharge in the backward after their first charge, making it so that you had very little time where you’d be vulnerable.

I do feel as though they did overnerf it by making harmonious mantras weaker, when they really should have just raised the iCD of confounding suggestions to prevent it from being a brain dead method of not having to use skill and judgement to land your bursts. Mime still plays mantras competitively, whereas most other mesmers just run PU.

Also 4 mantras was never taken, simply because portal and blink are almost mandatory on every competitive Mesmer build, but it does suck when needing an overpowered meta build has consequences for casual/fun creative builds.

Thank You!

How can I find this “Mime” person?

The recharge on mantras in the background was fine.

What needed nerfing was confounding suggestions, which should have just required an ICD increase.

Instead they nerfed mantras for everybody by nerfing both Harmonious Mantras damage bonus, which was hard to maintain anyways without chain casting mantra of pain, and then on top of that reverting the mantras recharging in the background after channeling.

Now mesmers dumped mantra of recovery and went back to ether feast or signet of the ether.

Classic textbook example of knee jerk nerfs.

I see, thanks for the insight

all of the mesmer guys your are to greedy already top tier at pvp its take the fun of the game when outher team have 3 mesmer = outo win

Go to mesmer forums, watch them begging for buffs, especially for chrono (WTH?!!??)…. because being top class along with dd eles is not enough….. man, really.

Recharge of mantras in background was anything but fine…. i am glad they fixed that bug. Nerf PU (which really needs to happen), maybe other GMs would be more interesting.

Cynz.9437:

Go to mesmer forums, watch them begging for buffs, especially for chrono (WTH?!!??)…. because being top class along with dd eles is not enough….. man, really.

Recharge of mantras in background was anything but fine…. i am glad they fixed that bug. Nerf PU (which really needs to happen), maybe other GMs would be more interesting.

Last I played, mesmers weren’t top 1v1. They were top for utility because of portal and mass invisibility.

This is not a whining post, so take that somewhere else… every class has some overpowered build atm, I want diversity builds to be viable and in this case it’s Mesmer using 4 mantras w/ “Harmonious Mantras”.