Mesmer Burst...
Oh yeah? mind PMing me how you’re triggering the bug by doing it manually when I’ve tried it at least 20 times without a macro, and got it to bug only once?
Oh yeah? mind PMing me how you’re triggering the bug by doing it manually when I’ve tried it at least 20 times without a macro, and got it to bug only once?
I posted a video on it that was subsequently taken down. So, you admit that you’re uninformed?
Okay so PM me said video if you already have it made and I’ll admit it when I see it
Okay so PM me said video if you already have it made and I’ll admit it when I see it
Id like to see it too, i cant get it to “bug” I do get a pretty stellar MW with 12 stacks of might and 20 stacks of vuln from Diversion, but thats it.
A shatter mesmer is so focused in their shatter output, that they are useless until MW CD is up again, god forbid a glass cannon thief be killable as fast as he kills when he literally runs face first into it…
The mesmer burst is ok… im not against burst im against what it counters. It counters every single melee. Im afraid to melee good mesmers lately since a good macro/reaction w/e it is will global me. It doesnt apply to thief only. I have been basicly 1 shot balanced bunkerish guardian too. Mind wracks + fire proc + blured frenzy hit me in tottal for 15k on p/v/t gear…
Its ability to instagib any glass cannon at melee range withouth cast time is what makes it insane. Thief burst takes 1-2 seconds + and uses more resources on longer cooldown. But when you get to mesmer in melee range you get instant blown up.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Its ability to instagib any glass cannon at melee range withouth cast time is what makes it insane. Thief burst takes 1-2 seconds + and uses more resources on longer cooldown.
Wait you think someone thats a glass cannon, should have survivability, because i can assure you that i do not when i run with 15k health as a mesmer myself. In fact i feel that running glass cannon with any class, is basically asking to get downed without hesitation.
Also i dont see how the thieves resources are on a longer cooldown, diversion is 45s, which is what is used to throw up quick stacks. Other than that its just a regular old MW every 15s, and lower end dps in between all of this
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Its ability to instagib any glass cannon at melee range withouth cast time is what makes it insane. Thief burst takes 1-2 seconds + and uses more resources on longer cooldown.
Wait you think someone thats a glass cannon, should have survivability, because i can assure you that i do not when i run with 15k health as a mesmer myself. In fact i feel that running glass cannon with any class, is basically asking to get downed without hesitation.
Also i dont see how the thieves resources are on a longer cooldown, diversion is 45s, which is what is used to throw up quick stacks. Other than that its just a regular old MW every 15s, and lower end dps in between all of this
Even mesmers basic health with Berserkers is 21k i think… so stop talking BS about 15k hp… mesmer burst at melee range has 0 cast time=0 avoidance possible. This hard counters every single melee burst or melee based balanced spec. If i cant go in melee on melee class cuz i will die in 1 instant cast combo how is it normal ?
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Its ability to instagib any glass cannon at melee range withouth cast time is what makes it insane. Thief burst takes 1-2 seconds + and uses more resources on longer cooldown.
Wait you think someone thats a glass cannon, should have survivability, because i can assure you that i do not when i run with 15k health as a mesmer myself. In fact i feel that running glass cannon with any class, is basically asking to get downed without hesitation.
Also i dont see how the thieves resources are on a longer cooldown, diversion is 45s, which is what is used to throw up quick stacks. Other than that its just a regular old MW every 15s, and lower end dps in between all of this
Even mesmers basic health with Berserkers is 21k i think… so stop talking BS about 15k hp… mesmer burst at melee range has 0 cast time=0 avoidance possible. This hard counters every single melee burst or melee based balanced spec. If i cant go in melee on melee class cuz i will die in 1 instant cast combo how is it normal ?
What are you talking about. Im a mesmer, and i have 15k health. Also you say no cast time but in order to pull this combo you have to use abilities with a cast time. The whole reason this is in question is because the video where a thief jumps on a mesmer who already pulled out 2 clones, you would have to use abilities with a cast time, or dodges to get enough clones out to pull this off in any other scenario. But please feel free to look over mesmer abilities and find a way for us to drop 6 clones and 2 shatters without any cast times
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Its ability to instagib any glass cannon at melee range withouth cast time is what makes it insane. Thief burst takes 1-2 seconds + and uses more resources on longer cooldown.
Wait you think someone thats a glass cannon, should have survivability, because i can assure you that i do not when i run with 15k health as a mesmer myself. In fact i feel that running glass cannon with any class, is basically asking to get downed without hesitation.
Also i dont see how the thieves resources are on a longer cooldown, diversion is 45s, which is what is used to throw up quick stacks. Other than that its just a regular old MW every 15s, and lower end dps in between all of this
Even mesmers basic health with Berserkers is 21k i think… so stop talking BS about 15k hp… mesmer burst at melee range has 0 cast time=0 avoidance possible. This hard counters every single melee burst or melee based balanced spec. If i cant go in melee on melee class cuz i will die in 1 instant cast combo how is it normal ?
This is idiotic. A mesmer in full berserker is just shy of 15k hp. You’d have to trait into 30 inspiration with a pvt set to even approach 21k hp.
And then you’d do no damage whatsoever. Because that’s what happens when you don’t run stats that synergize as well as pow/prec/critdmg.
Its getting nerfed… no point in trolling about it. inc .5 sec cast time on mirror images and shatter.
They need to get rid of the mesmer class its stupid that they are absolutely required for tPvP because of portal and things like that.
Will people stop calling FOR FREAKING NERFS! HOLY HELL. Warrior 100blades 28k dmg. DD ele more uncatchable than a thief. Rangers have the LONGEST range weapon in the flipping game! Engineers can have like a bagillion weapon skills with their kits. Necros have pets fear and life steal. Mesmers have Shatter… You are begging for a nerf on the basis of the class. Its like saying thieves shouldnt get stealth anymore… Ridiculous… yes things need tweaked but begging the kitten devs for a nerf is just ridic. I play a mes and a thief. And if i get burned down i deserved it. Jumper deserved to get burned down too.. he even had the Drop on the mesmer and the right one targeted… So because he got killed he is calling for a nerf. I call it a good mesmer. EFF nerf callers.
The only way a Mesmer can really instaburst you down is with Mirror Images, otherwise his clones/phantasms won’t all be in meele range of you to instantly shatter. So it’s not really “you can’t meele when they have 2+ clones out” because Shatter Mesmers will always have a high production rate of clones but they won’t be all be in meele range of you.
And 3K+ damage mind wracks that’s buggy. Even with full might stacks you can’t reach even close to that with a full 3 clone shatter.
If you have illusionary persona out and higher crit with mindwrack than each clone plus you can reach about 700 each…. so that comes out to just under 3k…
Its ability to instagib any glass cannon at melee range withouth cast time is what makes it insane. Thief burst takes 1-2 seconds + and uses more resources on longer cooldown.
Wait you think someone thats a glass cannon, should have survivability, because i can assure you that i do not when i run with 15k health as a mesmer myself. In fact i feel that running glass cannon with any class, is basically asking to get downed without hesitation.
Also i dont see how the thieves resources are on a longer cooldown, diversion is 45s, which is what is used to throw up quick stacks. Other than that its just a regular old MW every 15s, and lower end dps in between all of this
Even mesmers basic health with Berserkers is 21k i think… so stop talking BS about 15k hp… mesmer burst at melee range has 0 cast time=0 avoidance possible. This hard counters every single melee burst or melee based balanced spec. If i cant go in melee on melee class cuz i will die in 1 instant cast combo how is it normal ?
This is idiotic. A mesmer in full berserker is just shy of 15k hp. You’d have to trait into 30 inspiration with a pvt set to even approach 21k hp.
And then you’d do no damage whatsoever. Because that’s what happens when you don’t run stats that synergize as well as pow/prec/critdmg.
Say what? A naked mesmer with full berseker set is already over 18k HP, don’t BS us dude!
Alright so he didn’t daze, he used distortion. And?
You don’t need a macro for that. He KNEW the thief was still somewhat close as the clones were still alive, the thief runs into the middle of 3 illusions AND the mesmer, meaning a 4mw without any prep necessary, plus blurred frenzy + flame sigil proc + all doez creetz = legitimate, especially with the thief having 14k hp.
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
And some times , he get gimps by a Thief
What then ? Nerf Backstab ? :P
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
And some times , he get gimps by a Thief
What then ? Nerf Backstab ? :P
Well i think 90% of ppl on this forum already said that….. xD
15,082 this is hp of nked mesmer … with berserkers amulet thats 18k… and thats minimum for mesmer glass cannon.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
And some times , he get gimps by a Thief
What then ? Nerf Backstab ? :PWell i think 90% of ppl on this forum already said that….. xD
Screw them :P
I kinda liking the idea of 2 sec TKK now
The christmas spirit got me :P
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
And some times , he get gimps by a Thief
What then ? Nerf Backstab ? :PWell i think 90% of ppl on this forum already said that….. xD
Screw them :P
I kinda liking the idea of 2 sec TKK now
The christmas spirit got me :P
Hell yeah
Pointing out the differences:
1 – A 5 HS chain with haste takes around 2s …so no, it can’t be called burst, it’s just a crap chain of fast attacks…and it’s just unuseful 90% times.
2 – Thief’s BS burst is SINGLE target, shatter is AoE with the same dmg and pretty much the same casting time. There’s a difference from bursting down one target and aoe bursting everyone on a point…
3 – BS needs steal traited with mug, so you can perform a BS combo every 45 secs, without steal you’re going to lose something like 3k+ so it’s not going to be effective, so mesmer has a way faster cd on his burst.
4 – After the combo a BS thief can’t do anything for those 45 secs, if he’s not downed already, mesmer can still use BF to go invulnerable, just for example, while dpsing…
Not talkin’ about overall survivability were a mesmer easily outperform a thief hands down.
So if you know how shatter works you should see some differences between BS and AoE macro shatter.
Overall survivabillity thief can go invis and run reset fight come back. Your mobility is your survivabillity.
In regards to our burst vs thief using AoE as a point is a non factor, it’s a point blank AoE that has almost nothing to contribute in big team fights. At worst a 2-3k spike in a random direction that more often than not is not going to splash Dmg anyone unless the enemies all stack on each other.
And as for speed, without being off c/ds mes needs to set up much more. To the point of requiring a weapon swap before being able to burst any, as well as waiting 45sec for a vaulnerbility shatter and that’s without waiting for any c/d that will pump to more clones like mirror.
TL;DR (or grammar is jumbled and kitten since I have not slept)
Thief can burst 1 guy as well as mes can but faster more efficient.
Mes’s AoE is really trash, and we take muuuuuuch longer to set up.
Thief has best survivabillity utilizing cloak + running away.
“I control time and space; you can’t break free.~”
“Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
“Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
Pointing out the differences:
1 – A 5 HS chain with haste takes around 2s …so no, it can’t be called burst, it’s just a crap chain of fast attacks…and it’s just unuseful 90% times.
2 – Thief’s BS burst is SINGLE target, shatter is AoE with the same dmg and pretty much the same casting time. There’s a difference from bursting down one target and aoe bursting everyone on a point…
3 – BS needs steal traited with mug, so you can perform a BS combo every 45 secs, without steal you’re going to lose something like 3k+ so it’s not going to be effective, so mesmer has a way faster cd on his burst.
4 – After the combo a BS thief can’t do anything for those 45 secs, if he’s not downed already, mesmer can still use BF to go invulnerable, just for example, while dpsing…
Not talkin’ about overall survivability were a mesmer easily outperform a thief hands down.
So if you know how shatter works you should see some differences between BS and AoE macro shatter.
Overall survivabillity thief can go invis and run reset fight come back. Your mobility is your survivabillity.
In regards to our burst vs thief using AoE as a point is a non factor, it’s a point blank AoE that has almost nothing to contribute in big team fights. At worst a 2-3k spike in a random direction that more often than not is not going to splash Dmg anyone unless the enemies all stack on each other.
And as for speed, without being off c/ds mes needs to set up much more. To the point of requiring a weapon swap before being able to burst any, as well as waiting 45sec for a vaulnerbility shatter and that’s without waiting for any c/d that will pump to more clones like mirror.
TL;DR (or grammar is jumbled and kitten since I have not slept)
Thief can burst 1 guy as well as mes can but faster more efficient.
Mes’s AoE is really trash, and we take muuuuuuch longer to set up.
Thief has best survivabillity utilizing cloak + running away.
Rofl….
You’ve got a leap/immobilize/auto-targeting skill + 2s invulnerability + automatic pets and you’re telling me that mesmer require more “skills” than thieves?…LOLOLOLOL
Rofl….
You’ve got a leap/immobilize/auto-targeting skill + 2s invulnerability + automatic pets and you’re telling me that mesmer require more “skills” than thieves?…LOLOLOLOL[/quote]
Mesmers are required to know whats going on for all 3 clones at all times… If one clone is killed then they hit a shatter… Damage is significantly lower… If they go to heal and all their clones get wiped their heal amount is garbage. Every shatter gets max effect from max number of clones… We have to be even faster skilled than thieves because illusions can get burned down so fast. Once again Illusions are the base mechanic of the class.
Srsly I am close to quit. Usually I can deal with everything but when a Mesmer nearly instakill me (with 2,2k toughness and protection buff) with his 20 stacks vulnarability and 16 stacks of might combo and this bust is AOE than I really think either Anet has no plan from their own game or they are all completly mental.
Sorry but a buff like this should not be out there… neither for 1 month nor for 1 week. I really have to doubt about arenanets authority. At the moment mesmers are like gods in pvp. Tons of Evades, insane damage, sufficient condition removal and over the top team support through null field, portal, time warp etc. etc.