Guild Wars 2

you kids are silly. sorry i havnt posted anything on this topic yet but its funny.

i have only ever been a mesmer and i have been gib by warrior , ele, thief. now that mesmers can defend themselves everyone that was insta gibbing mesmers have to be careful now.

now because some kids use a macro (because they are bad) you are asking for a mesmer nerf? that is just silly.

how about everyone just grow up and stop abusing the game.(dont play with ppl abusing either, winning is not that important it is a game) you guys want the devs to put ranking in and leader bords and solo q, but everyone of you “top player” that has abused a bug are taking time away from the devs to fix how immature u are. cheaters and bug abusers are not good and never will be.

in conclusion maybe less stacks of might that stay longer duration when u shatter and increase the blink CD on the staff might help some of the QQ. but ppl need to realize shatter is not the only build and i dont even run full shatter build anymore. (so nerfing mesmer might really affect other builds)

pro tip edit-
again i am sorry that you guys cant just run up to a off node and take it from a mesmer you actuall have to tell your team in mid to hit the mesmer a few time then pop his portal. (its called guild wars not nerf wars, use ur team ppl)

Im sorry, was I the only one not enjoying the actually complex meta for the few days mesmer clones were broken? Seriously, the game suddenly became so much better with mesmers broken. People were actually running different comps, but now that they are fixed double abusing macroing mesmers are everywhere and the meta is the same pot of frustration that it was before. You should not be able to one shot someone (whether it be from an exploit or not) and then survive 3 people at the same time through the use of invis and invulnerability for who knows how long.

The devs should take a look in paids for a week and ban the top teams abusing game with macros , because obviously they’re the ones who started doing that and spreaded it(mostly thieves and mesmers) then the the others will follow and stop using macros, nerfing has no use

Even If I think that mesmer is slightly overpowered right now, not by much though

How the hell are people whining about macros on mesmer?

Is it hard to Press Cry of Frustration → Decoy → Sword 2 → MI → Mind Wrack??

I get 200 apm in moba games. Guess I use macros!!!!!

i agree it sux that ppl use exploits but by no means does that mean we should punish the real players. just as a true player tell your friends to stop or just dont play with them.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

you kids are silly. sorry i havnt posted anything on this topic yet but its funny.

i have only ever been a mesmer and i have been gib by warrior , ele, thief. now that mesmers can defend themselves everyone that was insta gibbing mesmers have to be careful now.

now because some kids use a macro (because they are bad) you are asking for a mesmer nerf? that is just silly.

how about everyone just grow up and stop abusing the game.(dont play with ppl abusing either, winning is not that important it is a game) you guys want the devs to put ranking in and leader bords and solo q, but everyone of you “top player” that has abused a bug are taking time away from the devs to fix how immature u are. cheaters and bug abusers are not good and never will be.

in conclusion maybe less stacks of might that stay longer duration when u shatter and increase the blink CD on the staff might help some of the QQ. but ppl need to realize shatter is not the only build and i dont even run full shatter build anymore. (so nerfing mesmer might really affect other builds)

pro tip edit-
again i am sorry that you guys cant just run up to a off node and take it from a mesmer you actuall have to tell your team in mid to hit the mesmer a few time then pop his portal. (its called guild wars not nerf wars, use ur team ppl)

Pro-tip, you don’t need to use a macro to reproduce the shatter bug.

I’m a clicker and I still manage to beat ppl 2 v 1.. it’s really a l2p issue or I just have more skill than those players. get some more experience with your class…I had to go through tons and tons of builds just to see what benefited me the most. I hardly ever loose 1 v 1 unless I’m trying out a new build. Seriously I barely loose 1 v 1 anymore, but I still find the ocassional ranger, thief, warrior, necro, mesmer, engineer, guardian who actually outplay me. Not because of their burst but because of their skill.

+1 for this topic. kitten I can’t believe there are thieves on the forums crying that they get killed by shatters now. Backstab thieves have been insta-gibbing people for months before coming out of stealth same with hundred blades warriors.

There is a serious L2P issue here and everyone cries nerf! becuase mesmer is the new fotm.

For us who have played it since release we actually can compete now, maybe the might stacks are excessive but honestly the crying on the forums is too funny.

Hoodoo.4937:

+1 for this topic. kitten I can’t believe there are thieves on the forums crying that they get killed by shatters now. Backstab thieves have been insta-gibbing people for months before coming out of stealth same with hundred blades warriors.

There is a serious L2P issue here and everyone cries nerf! becuase mesmer is the new fotm.

For us who have played it since release we actually can compete now, maybe the might stacks are excessive but honestly the crying on the forums is too funny.

+1 for best comment in the thread

if mesmers get toned down they’ll be hitting to kittening soft even glass cannon.

ilJumperMT.4871:

How the hell are people whining about macros on mesmer?

Is it hard to Press Cry of Frustration -> Decoy -> Sword 2 -> MI -> Mind Wrack??

I get 200 apm in moba games. Guess I use macros!!!!!

The shatter damage that comes from this is too high because of a BUG that causes the game to believe you are doing 2-3 shatters with one clone a piece rather than one shatter with 3 clones. This causes 3x base damage for 1, which is much higher than 1x base damage for 3.

I hope they fix this instead of destroying the tiny hope they gave mesmers in pve by allowing us to stack might.

^not just in pve.

ilJumperMT.4871:

How the hell are people whining about macros on mesmer?

Is it hard to Press Cry of Frustration -> Decoy -> Sword 2 -> MI -> Mind Wrack??

I get 200 apm in moba games. Guess I use macros!!!!!

Kewl apm bro, wanna post it again?

I played 5 tourneys this evening and every group had Mesmers exploiting this.

It was hilarious how much damage it does. On my backstab build I can’t do that kind of damage.

I play glass cannon, I know the risks of the type of spec I play. When you play glass you should be aware of your surroundings and the enemies location/cool downs. It takes time to set things up, and burst is good for the health of the game. If they fix the double shatter (off of the same clones) bug, then Mesmers will be in a good spot. Most of the people who complain about this are glass cannons who do not pay attention to the map or their positioning and get punished because of it, just as they are designed to punish others who do the same.

TLDR; Glass builds are good at killing other glass builds/bad players. Fix the bug and there won’t be a problem when people learn map awareness.

mesmers have always been amongst the best, its not like ranger or engineer, buffing them with the ability to get absurd stacks of might is just Anet trolling or showing a complete lack of understanding about their game.

The new Double Mesmer meta has spawned from a bug. That is just disappointing.

Liewec.2896:

mesmers have always been amongst the best, its not like ranger or engineer, buffing them with the ability to get absurd stacks of might is just Anet trolling or showing a complete lack of understanding about their game.

Yep, exactly. ANET lacks experience in balancing. Its like they put a bunch of high school kids to call shots in balancing this game.

shatereng strengh should be only 1 might per shater (not per illusion) and 20s instead 10s. (less burst more sustain damage)

i play mesmer for sometime and even withou any might i could kill people easy because basically they never dodge ilussionary leap or never use something to avoid the combo burst.

arenanet could remove all might, could remove shatter exploit that people would still complain because if you dont avoid the combo burst you will die.

i dont use that exploit, as far i know need to have mirror image utility so is a big no for me still i kill lot of people on hot join.

let be serious most of guys on hot join are low lvl they dont know much about other classes so they die easy but obvious that exploit need to be fixed and would love see shattereng strengh change.

i fight against lot of mesmer (hot join is full of them now) and 80% of them dont even know what they are doing and i kill them easy.

find the right mesmer is a joke for any player that actually play mesmer: call target him; is the only mesmer that move, that have might stack . jesus when i see people get confused by clones i can only think they never play a mesmer.

would love see how many mesmer players complain about how is hard to track the real mesmer-.-

possante.8310:

shatereng strengh should be only 1 might per shater (not per illusion) and 20s instead 10s. (less burst more sustain damage)

i play mesmer for sometime and even withou any might i could kill people easy because basically they never dodge ilussionary leap or never use something to avoid the combo burst.

arenanet could remove all might, could remove shatter exploit that people would still complain because if you dont avoid the combo burst you will die.

i dont use that exploit, as far i know need to have mirror image utility so is a big no for me still i kill lot of people on hot join.

let be serious most of guys on hot join are low lvl they dont know much about other classes so they die easy but obvious that exploit need to be fixed and would love see shattereng strengh change.

i fight against lot of mesmer (hot join is full of them now) and 80% of them dont even know what they are doing and i kill them easy.

find the right mesmer is a joke for any player that actually play mesmer: call target him; is the only mesmer that move, that have might stack . jesus when i see people get confused by clones i can only think they never play a mesmer.

would love see how many mesmer players complain about how is hard to track the real mesmer-.-

Why not remove the class altogether? i would like that option along a free ticket to class change. Or! I have an better idea, since this is the PvP section, why don’t ppl learn how to play?

so what im reading is the same thing from all the thief/warrior QQ forums, basically learn to play.

i streamed last night so ppl see i never macro plus they can see how to avoid a mesmer so if anyone wants to become better against a mesmer or play one better u can watch me stream.

yes mesmers are strong in the right hands without cheating and they are strong when baddies play them if they do cheat but that is the same with everyclass. just because most guard used block bug didnt mean we should nerf guards. and now the devs have to waste time finding a way to fix macro because of all these immature bad players. its sad and a waste of there time so think you kid for making pvp in worse shape.

-edit- i typed this on my phone so excuse the spelling/grammar mistakes

I play a lot of tourney games and I’ve only experienced one guy using a macro and I’m sure everyone on the leaderboard knows who he is.

And in my opinion mesmers are fine balance wise but they suffer from poor design. I mean having one utility making them a requirement for every team kinda sucks… And if u don know what utility I’m talkin about, I’m talkin about portal. But the something goes for a necro’s Rez sig.

It seems to me that these utilities almost hold greater power than elitis which is silly. I mean when mesmers were broken and their clones failed, the portal was still so effective you could play with a Mesmer in paids without much punishment.

I’ve played Mesmer since BWE1 and about 80% of that time has been a Mind Wrack shatter build. Seeing the change they made to Shattered Strength was like Christmas come early. Not because the Mind Wrack build would be “Wicked Strong”, but because it gave me the option to use them might stacks for a condition build. A condition Mesmer was never really an option before but now I feel like it’s getting close to being a viable build.

Now don’t get me wrong, the change to Shattered strength and Dazzling in a power Mind Wrack build was not really needed and this build needs to be toned down a bit, but removing the might gain is going to be a step backwards for giving Mesmers any build diversity imo.

HappinessFactory.4910:

And in my opinion mesmers are fine balance wise but they suffer from poor design. I mean having one utility making them a requirement for every team kinda sucks… And if u don know what utility I’m talkin about, I’m talkin about portal. But the something goes for a necro’s Rez sig.

It seems to me that these utilities almost hold greater power than elitis which is silly. I mean when mesmers were broken and their clones failed, the portal was still so effective you could play with a Mesmer in paids without much punishment.

yeah i dont like the whole fact that 99% of mesmers are used for off node