Guild Wars 2

^why….do you….write like….that?

It’s not that we want a condition buff, we want the whole system changed.

That I actually fully agree with

Darksteel.8412:

shoutbow for example…having to bring cleansing ire….a rune for anti condi (no one wants to roll trooper rune deep inside it’s heart…btw it’s copy paste wvw build) an anti condi weapon (warhorn) traited even….nearly all utility skills (shouts)…dude that’s overkill spec in order to survive condi’s…and entirely takes away what the warrior is about….runes traits weps everything should be anti condi in order to be realy viable….a warrior realying on cleansing ire alone stands no chance if it’s not rolling lb as well…..my point exactly…condi ask to much of defence….while in it’s self is defence vs power or anything alrdy…as well as burst…defence…how?….chill nulliefies many melee builds alone….so does immobalize..or blind…..

And what is a warrior all about?
From the wiki: Warriors are masters of martial skills. They’re versatile in combat and benefit from offensive and defensive abilities. Warriors inspire allies and demoralize enemies.

A warrior in GW2 is versatile. Meaning they can do many different things. Offensive and defensive.

The game allows any profession to play in a varity of ways without locking players into a certain play style. The meta is player created. The game doesn’t force anyone into the meta. Players do that to themselves.

So because a warrior is allowed to play purely defensively with shoutbow, and by choosing the right traits and gear in order to do so, they aren’t playing a warrior how it was meant to be played?

And who decides how any particular class is meant to be played?

NitroApe.9104:

^why….do you….write like….that?

why do you exist… or keep breathing? has nothing to do with the topic now does it, don’t like it? don’t want to read things written like this? don’t want to reply or engage in conversation with people who write like this? go do something else. i’m not in for childish behaviour sorry, imo the convo was actually getting somewhere

pdavis.8031:

Darksteel.8412:

shoutbow for example…having to bring cleansing ire….a rune for anti condi (no one wants to roll trooper rune deep inside it’s heart…btw it’s copy paste wvw build) an anti condi weapon (warhorn) traited even….nearly all utility skills (shouts)…dude that’s overkill spec in order to survive condi’s…and entirely takes away what the warrior is about….runes traits weps everything should be anti condi in order to be realy viable….a warrior realying on cleansing ire alone stands no chance if it’s not rolling lb as well…..my point exactly…condi ask to much of defence….while in it’s self is defence vs power or anything alrdy…as well as burst…defence…how?….chill nulliefies many melee builds alone….so does immobalize..or blind…..

And what is a warrior all about?
From the wiki: Warriors are masters of martial skills. They’re versatile in combat and benefit from offensive and defensive abilities. Warriors inspire allies and demoralize enemies.

A warrior in GW2 is versatile. Meaning they can do many different things. Offensive and defensive.

The game allows any profession to play in a varity of ways without locking players into a certain play style. The meta is player created. The game doesn’t force anyone into the meta. Players do that to themselves.

So because a warrior is allowed to play purely defensively with shoutbow, and by choosing the right traits and gear in order to do so, they aren’t playing a warrior how it was meant to be played?

And who decides how any particular class is meant to be played?

nice try..yet now it’s like…they aren’t versatile at all…realy you couldn’t see this coming? here is my counter to that reply of yours, atm in pvp meta warriors aren’t versatile at all for all they can do is kite and healshout/cleanse my suggestion is, give that task to the… ow idk, guardian? an ele even maybe but no they are full blown dps/burst classes and the warrior get’s to be the monk lol. who decides how the class should be played? let’s think this through for a second….ask anyone even people who don’t play games what their vision of a warrior is….it’s not a condi cleansing shouthealer bro… in books movies and nearly all other games…a warrior is a fighter not healer/cleanser this is the part they try to be different at and imo ( and many others) they fail at it to the fullest… I know players who play shoutbow only cause of it’s viablity but can’t wait to have a different meta again for they all say, shout bow is as boring as it get’s. it’s not fastpaced it’s not an exciting build…they aren’t getting that omg yes awesome build feeling, it’s lame slowpaced to easy and unrewarding (as in how it feels and plays, not the end reward of a match omg)

Darksteel.8412:

shoutbow for example…having to bring cleansing ire….a rune for anti condi (no one wants to roll trooper rune deep inside it’s heart…btw it’s copy paste wvw build) an anti condi weapon (warhorn) traited even….nearly all utility skills (shouts)…dude that’s overkill spec in order to survive condi’s…and entirely takes away what the warrior is about….runes traits weps everything should be anti condi in order to be realy viable….a warrior relying on cleansing ire alone stands no chance if it’s not rolling lb.. my point exactly…condi ask to much for defence….while condi in it’s self is defence vs power and dmge over time …as well as burst…defence you say…how?….chill nulliefies many melee builds alone….so does immobalize..or blind….. whom are all being spammed 24/7 on condi specs….condi asks to much in order to be dealth with when still doing hardcore dmge over time…even if only half of your condis were applied…while power is like this….miss attack in anyway….0 dmge…so much more easily dealt with….condis are indd OP, that or the cleanse is lackluster hardcore….sorry for bad english I hope the message get’s across

Nope nope and nah. I would like to remind everyone that war supposed weakness is conditions, war used to be the squishiest class due to the devs belief that HP=sustain, they putted bandages by buffing passive healing to allow war to focus on attack and CC, while the game grew the wound reappeared so the next option was even more sustain with no regrets so we ended with Shoutbow,Hambow was meta due to active AoE CC that could negate incoming damage.

GS is used for that purpose that you can’t sustain constantly so you can get away but it’s not that great PvP wise yet(maybe). If you don’t get what I’m trying say again war is close(st) to necro so being damage focused failed off when the game evolved condition necro went into Soul Reaping since power already did because no constant sustain was given. Yes war doesn’t have that much active defense stances are limited and high CD,CC is telegraphed,condition is a weakness,shield is not that great. Going from quickness zerkers>hambow>celestial Ax/Sw LB>Shoutbow solidifies that. Offensive might make a comeback with trait changes..might..

Darksteel.8412:

nice try..yet now it’s like…they aren’t versatile at all…realy you couldn’t see this coming? here is my counter to that reply of yours, atm in pvp meta warriors aren’t versatile at all for all they can do is kite and healshout/cleanse my suggestion is, give that task to the… ow idk, guardian? an ele even maybe but no they are full blown dps/burst classes and the warrior get’s to be the monk lol. who decides how the class should be played? let’s think this through for a second….ask anyone even people who don’t play games what their vision of a warrior is….it’s not a condi cleansing shouthealer bro… in books movies and nearly all other games…a warrior is a fighter not healer/cleanser this is the part they try to be different at and imo ( and many others) they fail at it to the fullest… I know players who play shoutbow only cause of it’s viablity but can’t wait to have a different meta again fo they all say, shout bow is as boring as it get’s

So a warrior, or any class for that matter, has the option to spec for pure DPS, pure defense, pure control, pure support, etc. But that doesn’t work because X class should only be able to do XYZ. A warrior shouldn’t be able to support or heal, a necro shouldn’t be able to control or DPS, a guardian shouldn’t be able to DPS or control, etc.?

Yeah, no.

But this is getting VERY off topic, and really has nothing to do with the perception that necro’s and mesmers are OP and need to be nerfed. I suggest we continue this discussion elsewhere, if at all.

yea and uhm..no not at all what i said or implied…all classes should be able to roll any spec totally agree …but to have warrior be support, as meta…is just bolox and admit it…anyone who has played shoutbow more than 10x is going to be like, uhhhhhh strong yea. fun or exciting….uuhhhhh no not at all. dont reply for the sake of wanting to reply or have the last word, cause u can have the last word for all i care never said guard can’t be dps etc … having warrior as healer meta tho…is lame boring stupid and no fun at all except for that one troll match we do every now and than…just my opinion tho…you can have the last word, I won’t reply anymore. ty for the talk

Darksteel.8412:

yea and uhm..no not at all what i said or implied…all classes should be able to roll any spec totally agree …but to have warrior be support, as meta…is just bolox and admit it…anyone who has played shoutbow more than 10x is going to like, uhhhhhh strong yea. fun or exciting….uuhhhhh no not at all. dont reply for the sake of wanting to reply or have the last word, cause u can have the last word for all i care never said guard can’t be dps etc … having warrior as healer meta tho…is lame boring stupid and no fun at all except for that one troll match we do every now and than…just my opinion tho…you can have the last word, I won’t reply anymore. ty for the talk

If you can’t understand why it happened and create proper arguments then your choice bye.