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This not even funny , mesmers 1shooting eveything , stealth , moa , crazy dmg , daze after daze , blinks . The new mesmer build is just broken. That need to be changed asap.

Now pvp matches look pretty obvious , team with more mesmers win.

Premade with more Mesmers.

again crybabies yelling for mesmer nerfs…….you know what? mesmer was nerfed twice already while engie guard and ele mainly are still on top food chain

Amityel.5324:

again crybabies yelling for mesmer nerfs…….you know what? mesmer was nerfed twice already while engie guard and ele mainly are still on top food chain

It’s the same thing that happened with Rangers about a year or so ago.

Rangers finally got buffed after being complete trash for the entire game’s life, and people couldn’t handle it. “Oh my god, I have to actually fight rangers now? I can’t just facesmash my keys on them? What are these arrows? My opponent does damage?? I don’t want to have to learn to play! Just nerf it instead!”

This is the exact same thing happening to mesmer right now. Mesmer has never been apart of the meta, because as a class it previously brought nothing to the table that other classes didn’t do better, mostly thief.

Now mesmer finally has a place in this game as a good class and people can’t handle it. They lose their minds because they have to adapt and maybe find a new way to play the game that doesn’t involve swinging their greatsword in circles at clones.

I just hope Anet has some rational thought when it comes to balancing classes in upcoming fixes. Mesmer does not deserve to be trash anymore, it’s been there for almost three years.

Forsaker.9213:

Now pvp matches look pretty obvious , team with more mesmers win.

This has to be a joke right? Lol. This can’t be serious.

It’s not joke.
Forsaker was streaming together with Xerrex and Azani rolling everything due to multi Mesmer setup.

Morwath.9817:

It’s not joke.
Forsaker was streaming together with Xerrex and Azani rolling everything due to multi Mesmer setup.

It wasn’t the fact that three very good players were all playing together on the same team curbstomping scrubs by using a brand new build that the meta has no had time to develop around?

Oh okay then, you’re right, that would make way too much sense.

Mesmers are out of control at the moment. Definitely the current strongest class.

Nothing like being interrupted by something you can’t even dodge, followed by a long stun, followed by a burst that can kill you even with the tankiest amulet.

:D I have mesmer guard and engie I can tell you medi guard with mace/focus + GS with honor/virtues/valor can beat any mesmer

Please nerf it asap !!!!!!

Power ranger survivability does not even begin to come close to what you can have on a mesmer.

Mesmers easily got the strongest buffs in their traits and are currently indeed just godmode (saying this as a mesmer main).

In random games I play, they are indeed the strongest class. How that relates to team setups or any organized play is in question though.

Then again, I’m playing rampage warrior today and it feels every bit as strong.

Tissitra.4153:

Power ranger survivability does not even begin to come close to what you can have on a mesmer.

Mesmers easily got the strongest buffs in their traits and are currently indeed just godmode (saying this as a mesmer main).

Wow another pop up mesmer main.

Honestly go try engi,guard, or ele.

If mesmer is godmode then those three are the ones that turn godmode into a ball and poop on it.

But it’s ok, as long as mesmer keeps getting nerfed I can switch over to my ele and stay in the meta for another year before they are nerfed.

Guess what? I’ve got a feva
And the only prescription is – more Mesmers!

Mesmers are only “out of control” because this is the first time in 3 years Mesmer has had any amount of survivability that didn’t include needing to be baby sat by his entire team. lol The only rebalancing I think is needed for Mesmer is Confounding Suggestions. I think it needs a much longer CD to prevent stun-locking without counterplay. And also, the icd should be based on individual targets as to keep in line with Mesmer having group CC. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Confounding-Suggestions-Suggestion/first#post5209372

Even as a Mesmer purist, I’m confused as to why they buffed PU. In the meanwhile, at least you can enjoy the fact that the devs have been nerfing everything on Mesmer that they shouldn’t be nerfing since 4 hours after the revamp. By the end of next week, we’ll be back to our usual pitiful state. Just be patient!

I don’t have that much of an issue with their burst or their daze. Their blink existed from the start if the game. In fact, all of these existed since the beginning. As much as I want to vomit salt over stealth bursts (I really do), its the pure zerker amulet that’s making all of this DPS possible (among a few other trait tweaks).

Mesmers were already strong against everything except theives, now it’s just even more ridiculous with the interupts and stuns. I doubt they keep all the daze stuns also the undodgeable blinds are cool too

Morwath.9817:

It’s not joke.
Forsaker was streaming together with Xerrex and Azani rolling everything due to multi Mesmer setup.

So, Forsaker and Xerrex got killed by better players? Looks fine to me

Teutos.8620:

Morwath.9817:

It’s not joke.
Forsaker was streaming together with Xerrex and Azani rolling everything due to multi Mesmer setup.

So, Forsaker and Xerrex got killed by better players? Looks fine to me

Azani was playing with them, not against.

LouDrew.1340:

Morwath.9817:

It’s not joke.
Forsaker was streaming together with Xerrex and Azani rolling everything due to multi Mesmer setup.

It wasn’t the fact that three very good players were all playing together on the same team curbstomping scrubs by using a brand new build that the meta has no had time to develop around?

Oh okay then, you’re right, that would make way too much sense.

Lol there’s nothing to develop around, mesmer is godmode

MailMail.6534:

Mesmers are only “out of control” because this is the first time in 3 years Mesmer has had any amount of survivability that didn’t include needing to be baby sat by his entire team. lol ….. By the end of next week, we’ll be back to our usual pitiful state. Just be patient!

This is so true. Mesmer feels like it has so much more survivability especially against thieves. I honestly don’t think it’s as overpowered as people put it, the only people I have one shot have been glass and condi builds are still hard to deal with.

Sure some things need a nerf but please don’t pull mesmer back down to where it used to be just because people are not used to seeing them do this much damage.

It’s just too many stuns and dazes, stealth stun daze lock for 11k. If opponents not dead stealth again and repeat.

Morwath.9817:

Teutos.8620:

Morwath.9817:

It’s not joke.
Forsaker was streaming together with Xerrex and Azani rolling everything due to multi Mesmer setup.

So, Forsaker and Xerrex got killed by better players? Looks fine to me

Azani was playing with them, not against.

Sorry I just forgot to mention Mr Die to Svanir and Moa Rockdog. They still lost to better players.

Well, they should decide if they want Mesmer to be:
→ Guy with the best CC in game.
→ Guy with good survi, stealth and ports.
→ Guy with highest burst on demand.

All of those shouldn’t happen at once within one build.

Amityel.5324:

again crybabies yelling for mesmer nerfs…….you know what? mesmer was nerfed twice already while engie guard and ele mainly are still on top food chain

Engi on the top? Lolnope, sorry man. Engis are just kitten right now, the only playable build is full-zerker static-discharge since a single necro in a game can totally ruin your life.

ImdA.4701:

Amityel.5324:

again crybabies yelling for mesmer nerfs…….you know what? mesmer was nerfed twice already while engie guard and ele mainly are still on top food chain

Engi on the top? Lolnope, sorry man. Engis are just kitten right now, the only playable build is full-zerker static-discharge since a single necro in a game can totally ruin your life.

Only if they take curses. But then again no one can handle getting a 10 stack of burning on them. Serves the engi right for trying to do that to a necro.

When the only counter against a setup is running away, you know there’s something very, very wrong about it.

baylock.1703:

hmm mesmers out of control I could beat Mesmer in 1 vs 1 with power necro medi guard and thief still just fine if he did not take pu i was dueling good friend and he has mained Mesmer since start is good wvw and pvp player its just l2p stop chaceing clones and get urself ranged wepon you will not likely catch Mesmer with melee wepon unless ur thief

Thing is: Mesmers don’t duel you usualy in sPvP…

Amityel.5324:

again crybabies yelling for mesmer nerfs…….you know what? mesmer was nerfed twice already while engie guard and ele mainly are still on top food chain

Poor logic. No one cares how many times something was nerfed. They only care where it ranks in relation to other classes. Try again.

The damage would be somewhat “livable” if they also were as squishy as Thieves when traited for similar damage.

Right now, Guardians and Mesmers have too much damage related to survivability.

You can’t have both for a healthy game. If you want super high damage, then you also need to accept super high risk too…just like thieves and rangers…who nobody is complaining about.

It’s particularly a problem with Mesmers right now because you can’t allow that much damage and CC to come from stealth without it being a SUPER HIGH RISK.

No one is complaining about theives because mesmers have completely shot up in terms of strength. I can imagine the top mesmers totally shutting down fights solo, which something a thief cant hope to accomplosh on the same scale. Guard DPS ( in relation to the other DPS classes) is fine. Guard’s mechanic revolves around actively blocking and blinding. Warrior, in contrast, is essentially a juggernaut. Complaining about a guard’s blocks is like complaining about warrior’s hp, which is more or less the dividing factor between the two classes.

Of course, you can go on to mention that guard’s active defenses > warrior’s HP because zerk guardian was meta while zerk warrior was not, but that isn’t because zerk warrior was bad, or weak, but because celestial and thieves existed. If you would recall, a majority of zerk builds had problems with celestial and guard was only taken because of how efficiently they were able to deal with thieves and the partial team support they brought with them.

1. General Damage is really too high, it’s an InstaGIb Meta, never seen so many rally bot, honestly it’s not really fun.

2. Burning is out of control, it needs to be toned down

3. Grenades are bugged but u know this

4. Mesmer is simply too much, it can handle with thieves pretty easily but problem is at the same time it can handle everything pretty easily. It needs to be toned down.

Yeah mesmer alwasy been strong but the main fact was their utterly crap match up vs thief that prevented them to be in the pvp meta. Now they just destroy everything… (outdps even the ranger on range dmg… what anet doesnt want, they stated it somewhere)

Klonko.8341:

Yeah mesmer alwasy been strong but the main fact was their utterly crap match up vs thief that prevented them to be in the pvp meta. Now they just destroy everything… (outdps even the ranger on range dmg… what anet doesnt want, they stated it somewhere)

Mesmers were part of the meta. Well, on EU.

Morwath.9817:

Klonko.8341:

Yeah mesmer alwasy been strong but the main fact was their utterly crap match up vs thief that prevented them to be in the pvp meta. Now they just destroy everything… (outdps even the ranger on range dmg… what anet doesnt want, they stated it somewhere)

Mesmers were part of the meta. Well, on EU.

I know they were at one point but globally, I think they been out more than in.

Morwath.9817:

Well, they should decide if they want Mesmer to be:
-> Guy with the best CC in game.
-> Guy with good survi, stealth and ports.
-> Guy with highest burst on demand.

All of those shouldn’t happen at once within one build.

Mesmer burst has never nor will ever be “on demand”.
Mesmer condi clear is still worse than its main competitor (thieves ),
Our CC is not the “best”. We are the most rewarded for interrupts which requires good timing.

If it’s a mental anguish mesmer they have to be able to really land mindwrack when the target isnt doing anything. Which happens how often in this spam fest?

Now there is the argument of the mesmer clones actually making it to the target to shatter.

Mesmer still cant successfully contest a point against a guard, ele, warrior, or necro.

So really the only thing you people have to whine about now is that mesmer can FINALLY compete/outclass a thief when it comes to +1ing fights.

I see no problem here.

Red Levin (Thief) still farmed Frostball (Mesmer) in the ESL Finals on Tuesday.

1.) Let’s wait and see how the Go4Cups tomorrow will turn out.
2.) Start with Bug-Fixes (Engi Grenades first, Mesmer Blind should be dodgeable)
3.) Then let’s talk constructive about problematic traits, and don’t QQ about getting beaten.

LouDrew.1340:

Amityel.5324:

again crybabies yelling for mesmer nerfs…….you know what? mesmer was nerfed twice already while engie guard and ele mainly are still on top food chain

It’s the same thing that happened with Rangers about a year or so ago.

Rangers finally got buffed after being complete trash for the entire game’s life, and people couldn’t handle it. “Oh my god, I have to actually fight rangers now? I can’t just facesmash my keys on them? What are these arrows? My opponent does damage?? I don’t want to have to learn to play! Just nerf it instead!”

This is the exact same thing happening to mesmer right now. Mesmer has never been apart of the meta, because as a class it previously brought nothing to the table that other classes didn’t do better, mostly thief.

Now mesmer finally has a place in this game as a good class and people can’t handle it. They lose their minds because they have to adapt and maybe find a new way to play the game that doesn’t involve swinging their greatsword in circles at clones.

I just hope Anet has some rational thought when it comes to balancing classes in upcoming fixes. Mesmer does not deserve to be trash anymore, it’s been there for almost three years.

Forsaker.9213:

Now pvp matches look pretty obvious , team with more mesmers win.

This has to be a joke right? Lol. This can’t be serious.

The problem is not that Anet buffed these classes. It’s how they buffed them. Being interrupted and burst down by something you don’t see and can’t react to is pretty effin broken and needs to be fixed. As for rangers a year ago, I didn’t even want them on my team cause all the did was pew pew from max range while we were taking all the heat on point. Anet needs to put more thought into what is a fun and engaging fighting experience.

jportell.2197:

Mesmer burst has never nor will ever be “on demand”.

How so?

jportell.2197:

Mesmer condi clear is still worse than its main competitor (thieves ),

Do you even know how Mantra of Recovery works combined with Mender’s Purity and Hermonious Mantras? Thats 10k healing (with Zerker/Marauder) and 6 cleansed condis every 10 seconds, split in pieces and on instant cast if prepared before combat (7,5k then). What is more, if prepared before combat and eaten during it, MoN is instantly free to cast, because coldown is when -cast- not -consumed-.

jportell.2197:

Our CC is not the “best”. We are the most rewarded for interrupts which requires good timing.

KB, Daze, Stun and Moa? Who can compete with this?

jportell.2197:

If it’s a mental anguish mesmer they have to be able to really land mindwrack when the target isnt doing anything. Which happens how often in this spam fest?

CCed targets doesn’t spam.

jportell.2197:

Now there is the argument of the mesmer clones actually making it to the target to shatter.

CCed targets can’t dodge. Also, Ilussionary Persona was granted for Mesmers for free.

jportell.2197:

Mesmer still cant successfully contest a point against a guard, ele, warrior, or necro.

Nor can Thief.

jportell.2197:

So really the only thing you people have to whine about now is that mesmer can FINALLY compete/outclass a thief when it comes to +1ing fights.

‘+1’ by Thief was considered ‘op’ and necessary to compete.
Outclassing Thief in it is clearly reason to whine.

[quote=5221839;jportell.2197:I see no problem here.[/quote]

I see plenty of problems here.
While I could stand -premades vs PuGs- issue for long, I can’t stand it together with Godlike Mesmers.

Zin.6170:

In random games I play, they are indeed the strongest class. How that relates to team setups or any organized play is in question though.

Then again, I’m playing rampage warrior today and it feels every bit as strong.

They will be even stronger in organized team play as their stronges asset, portal, requires a bit of communication to make effective. Without voice com’s Mesmer is much weaker.

My view, and im trying to not be whiny necro with not stabilty, is that its just too much dmg in that mind wrack trait.
Also a blind on every shatter is guardian level of blindspam.

Its just past the point, where 2x poeple, or 2x combos during teamfight will kill anything as it does more than 50% of anyones hp pool. Before u could get bursted “low” and recover

stealth.
burst without reaction
down
4v5
midfight over
gg

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer burst has never nor will ever be “on demand”.

How so?

jportell.2197:

Mesmer condi clear is still worse than its main competitor (thieves ),

Do you even know how Mantra of Recovery works combined with Mender’s Purity and Hermonious Mantras? Thats 10k healing (with Zerker/Marauder) and 6 cleansed condis every 10 seconds, split in pieces and on instant cast if prepared before combat (7,5k then). What is more, if prepared before combat and eaten during it, MoN is instantly free to cast, because coldown is when -cast- not -consumed-.

jportell.2197:

Our CC is not the “best”. We are the most rewarded for interrupts which requires good timing.

KB, Daze, Stun and Moa? Who can compete with this?

jportell.2197:

If it’s a mental anguish mesmer they have to be able to really land mindwrack when the target isnt doing anything. Which happens how often in this spam fest?

CCed targets doesn’t spam.

jportell.2197:

Now there is the argument of the mesmer clones actually making it to the target to shatter.

CCed targets can’t dodge. Also, Ilussionary Persona was granted for Mesmers for free.

jportell.2197:

Mesmer still cant successfully contest a point against a guard, ele, warrior, or necro.

Nor can Thief.

jportell.2197:

So really the only thing you people have to whine about now is that mesmer can FINALLY compete/outclass a thief when it comes to +1ing fights.

‘+1’ by Thief was considered ‘op’ and necessary to compete.
Outclassing Thief in it is clearly reason to whine.

I see plenty of problems here.
While I could stand -premades vs PuGs- issue for long, I can’t stand it together with Godlike Mesmers.[/quote]

Mesmers burst is not on demand because it takes setup. Yes against a glass enemy while in stealth it can be somewhat on demand, it still takes more cds and more timing than a thiefs burst. In most fights it takes a setup of creating phantasms and chaining them.

Condi clear is worse than thief if you play the normal shatter or the lockdown shatter build (in fact lockdown now has worse condi clear) So yeas you can get more condi clear but you are sacrificing a lot. Thief def has better condi clear.

Our ccs are very good i will not argue. I think the lockdown shatter build is a bit too strong atm, however other classes have very good ccs too. If you need condi clear and dont take mantra of distraction cc is actually worse than an engie or a thief since shatter cd, and moa cast time. So unlike thieves mesmers have to give up condi clear to have great cc.

You make it seem like ccs are never ending from mesmers and there is no way to escape them. The only class that needs to evade a mesmers burst is a thief which has enough stun escape. Yes cc’s are strong but that doesn’t mean it works every time. I mean who doesn’t take a stun break or two in a fight. There are a tone of times i set up a chain to kill someone and stun them just to have them break and dodge the whole damage.

Thief holds points better than mesmer. It’s the whole kittening reason behind d/p instead of d/d. With pistol 5 you can blind and stay on a point for bits at a time to make sure it doesnt get capped. Sure thieves cant hold points indefinitely or as well as tankier classes but they do it better than mesmers.

Thieves and mesmers roles are to +1 fights. They both do it equally well now. Before thieves had a good amount of cc and could enter a fight and down someone very fast. Now mesmer can do the same AND ALSO survive much better.

Ccs can get nerfed a bit, but mesmer is in a fine place. People especially thieves just never saw them as any good in pugs before so now they are scared :P

All these qq posts about mesmers, mostly due to the fact people will have to figure out how to fight a mesmer instead of just rofl stomp one like before the patch. Mesmer today is not much different than thief before patch, soft and squish but will burst you down IF YOU DON’T PAY ATTENTION.
How is a mesmer powerblock stun then shatter different from a thief shadow step + basilisk + backstab? Do mesmer have higher hp pool than thief? do mesmer wear better armor? Do mesmer have better mobility? Do mesmer have better condi cleanse? That’s no no no no and no! so why is it ok for thief to stealth burst but not mesmers?
How do you counter a thief? with AE and CC and Condi, how do you counter the new mesmer? SAME FREAKIN TACTIC.

@Nyx (no quote, because of wall of txt)

I don’t understand. You want compete with Thieves in being… Thieves.
I don’t understand why you want to nerf team support (CC/Interrupts), but not DMG.

Mesmers in orginal GW were kings of disruption. They could shutdown someone completly without killing him rendering him useless for certain amount of time. Imho thats proper direction for Mesmers for PvP and probably one of reasons why Mesmer will get Chronomancer soon. I believe reducing Mesmer DPS/Burst in PvP is way to go, while buffing his team support and disruptive abilities so he could have his own role in teams and purpose, not just be ‘another’ Thief.

Mogar.9216
Main diffrences are:
→ Mesmer has better CC/Team support.
→ Mesmer doesn’t need to be engaged into close combat.
= Mesmer is currently Godlike compared to pre-patch Thief.

Mogar.9216:

All these qq posts about mesmers, mostly due to the fact people will have to figure out how to fight a mesmer instead of just rofl stomp one like before the patch. Mesmer today is not much different than thief before patch, soft and squish but will burst you down IF YOU DON’T PAY ATTENTION.
How is a mesmer powerblock stun then shatter different from a thief shadow step + basilisk + backstab? Do mesmer have higher hp pool than thief? do mesmer wear better armor? Do mesmer have better mobility? Do mesmer have better condi cleanse? That’s no no no no and no! so why is it ok for thief to stealth burst but not mesmers?
How do you counter a thief? with AE and CC and Condi, how do you counter the new mesmer? SAME FREAKIN TACTIC.

thief from previous meta was never on same level as current mes…..
- they spend more time in stealth than thieves
- they actually have higher HP than thieves, by far.. which allows them to run zerker amy where thieves are forced to run marauder
- they have access to multiple invuls, which thieves never had access too
- they have more dazes which also last way long than thieves ever had
- thieves also had to go in melee and hit target from behind, thief burst is dodgeable and predictable; current mes burst is aoe, can be cast from long range and you won’t even see it untill it is too late
- thieves with team build couldn’t really 1v1 anyone but other thieves and mes maybe given same skill cap; mes destroys EVERY class right now

so don’t even dare to say that current mes are same as thieves…. that is such a lie

NeXeD.3042:

Mesmers were already strong against everything except theives, now it’s just even more ridiculous with the interupts and stuns. I doubt they keep all the daze stuns also the undodgeable blinds are cool too

Necro heal is so unviable because it has a long cast time and getting it put on a 14s cool down is ridiculous

Mesmer would be just fine if stealth had more counter play than just : be a bunker to not get insta-killed or use stealth yourself.

Because honestly if you cant dodge mirrior blade into mind wrack you deserve to die if the mesmer isint stealthed.

But again stealth has no counter play in this game which makes mesmer stronger than ever with the buffed over all damage.

Thief/mesmer combo is the new aids in conquest PvP. Stealth, 1 shot , repeat.

glock.6590:

Mesmer would be just fine if stealth had more counter play than just : be a bunker to not get insta-killed or use stealth yourself.

Because honestly if you cant dodge mirrior blade into mind wrack you deserve to die if the mesmer isint stealthed.

But again stealth has no counter play in this game which makes mesmer stronger than ever with the buffed over all damage.

Thief/mesmer combo is the new aids in conquest PvP. Stealth, 1 shot , repeat.

or a second thought, mesmer can just blink mirror blade and mindwrack.

or just mantra lock down at the same time when he use mirror blade

Here’s a counter that Mesmer’s have had to listen to for the past ~3yrs..

Mesmer’s are here to keep thieves in check.

I’m usually not one to talk about nerfs. And my main is a mesmer……but still, I have to agree we could use a little tone down lol.

I’m actually not playing my Mesmer at the moment due to the new prof’s. I can literally stealth/haste ,myself and my group for 50 seconds out of every minute. 3 friends and I ran around WvW for 6 hours without a single wipe because if anyone goes down I can just perma stealth us for the rezz, or if I go down, my mesmer friend can do the same.

I have even seen people going even further. I’ve seen groups of 7-10 condi mesmers just running around, an unkillable group lol.

The problem is IT IS NOT CONDI THAT NEEDS THE NERF!!

I cant stress that enough, condi is finally in a good place for my thief and my ranger, it’s viable, fun to play, and balanced.

It’s really just that Mesmers THE CLASS are too strong right now.

If they leave it…..then I guess my mesmer is my new main PvP char, so thats cool. But honestly, I cant see then leaving it how it is now….it really is, whichever team has the most mesmers, wins…..

Mesmer, thief combo has always been broken and easy mode in gw2 pvp. Nerf please