Guild Wars 2

I did about 13 hours of spvp so far. I am a level 56 necro and use the minion master build for toughness, am specced to heal everytime I hit, everytime I crit, everytime minions hit, sigils steal health, rune’s grant regen, and my equipped weapons siphon health and grant regen(Update, I don’t anymore for pvp at necro DPS is 1/3 of mesmer/theif dps, plus necor minions DPS is legit 1/4th compared to other peoples summones, broken build Arena net). So my build is as much based on regaining health as possible. Upon facing a mesmer in a 1 vs 1 duel, which they rofl stomped me in under 6 seconds, seeing myself get hit for 5,000 hits…Not to mention guardians can heal through it but a necro specced for all the above can only heal for 400-800 Healing Per Second but a guardian can get 4,000-5,000 Healing Per Second???

I am really wondering how that happened? I am as much toughness as one can really get and was using all the right moves to have retaliation and protection and whatever you can imagine.

Then I fight them again, I get turned into a bird by their elite skill… What!?!??! It insta kills all 6 of my minions…. How does me getting turned into a bird translate into them dealing over 60,000 damage to kill all my minions? One move insta kills minions with combined hp of 60,000…. Really?? That is supposed to happen and isn’t a bug?? Seriously? Why? What class in ANYGAME can do that to anyone? Then once I am turned into a bird, I get rofl stomped in about 4 seconds again…

The whole purpose of minion master, is to use them to steal health, draw conditions from me, deal extra damage from fighting, sacrfice for health or explode for small amount of damage, to have a disable/knockdown from the golem every 30 seconds. In reality you are better off rolling mesmer/theif because the DPS is easily over 4,000 and with Necro you will never get that.

Yet a mesmer elite skill can just insta kill all the minions which I rely on, and makes it so it completely shuts down everything my build tries to do. Even when they didn’t turn me into that bird, they literally are killing me faster than any other class in an MMO I ever played can deal dps at! They are killing me as fast as two stealthed assassins using their best move to come out of stealth and what not from other MMO’.

COME ON!

Can you really say that makes sense? No matter what traits I use, armor I wear, there is no way I could ever beat a mesmer who has whatever build that guy has. I understand a mesmer might be the anti necro, but to down me in 5-6 seconds when my whole build is toughness, health, steal health? The damage output is like 5,000+ DPS for him , while my healing would only be like 400-700 HPS max. Come on! lol If you are gonna make a guardian be able to heal 4,000-5,000 HPS and you give a necro a whole trait line where you can spend 30 points to siphon health and heal, at least make it siphon more health it makes no sense. A necro does less damage and also heals less than a guardian easily while using minons…. I think the whole point of having a minion master build, is that your minions provide you a better play style, heal you more, make you tougher. But nope, you want me to RNG RNG RNG. Now I have to Run and Gun, get rid of all my minions, cast bleed/poison/blindness and just keep mashing my side step key. Thanks for the RNG

TLDR, to make it fair change it from 10 seconds and 3 min cooldown to 2-4 seconds and maybe 60-90 second cooldown(as I believe mesmers would love that change because you can play more dynamically as the class is intended for interupting)

Or give every class the same thing, the second you give my necro and others “Turn enemy into zombie for 10 seconds” is the second this will make sense.

I don’t get itttttttttttttttttttttttt

looool you’re bad

What skills killed you in the death screen?? Just trying to understand as a Mesmer myself what they could have done, did you have confusion or reflective bubble on you? The Mao bird will cancel your minions, as you are no longer an agent of death you are a bird so you don’t deserve the servants of death :p there is always a reason why you died, if I get 100b or pistol whipped to death I am usually annoyed with myself as I didn’t get out of the way or use my abilities to the best, or had burned cd’s before I got jumped. You can sometimes be unlucky, and in return the attacker can be lucky, but I really don’t see the need to bring your frustrations here and start yet another Thief/ Mesmer /guardian are OP thread, just accept you cannot win every match, it is not a perfect 1v1 dual that both sides are prepared for. I can tell you I TPvP a lot with my guild, and good players know how to deal with me very effectively if they get the jump or I am preoccupied, if your eyes and attention was somewhere else and you got jumped any decent player of any class would eat you (or any player up) as they get to plan there assault on you, stun locked and pistol whip or 100b, or pistol phantom, Mao bird, or what ever there specific build is.

I’m sorry you feel hard done by and that you have to post here, but you probably met a good player with a strong build that got the jump on you with there optimum rotation.

Better luck next time, don’t let it get you down.

Happy gaming

Kryank.8069:

What skills killed you in the death screen?? Just trying to understand as a Mesmer myself what they could have done, did you have confusion or reflective bubble on you? The Mao bird will cancel your minions, as you are no longer an agent of death you are a bird so you don’t deserve the servants of death :p there is always a reason why you died, if I get 100b or pistol whipped to death I am usually annoyed with myself as I didn’t get out of the way or use my abilities to the best, or had burned cd’s before I got jumped. You can sometimes be unlucky, and in return the attacker can be lucky, but I really don’t see the need to bring your frustrations here and start yet another Thief/ Mesmer /guardian are OP thread, just accept you cannot win every match, it is not a perfect 1v1 dual that both sides are prepared for. I can tell you I TPvP a lot with my guild, and good players know how to deal with me very effectively if they get the jump or I am preoccupied, if your eyes and attention was somewhere else and you got jumped any decent player of any class would eat you (or any player up) as they get to plan there assault on you, stun locked and pistol whip or 100b, or pistol phantom, Mao bird, or what ever there specific build is.

I’m sorry you feel hard done by and that you have to post here, but you probably met a good player with a strong build that got the jump on you with there optimum rotation.

Better luck next time, don’t let it get you down.

Happy gaming

I did not look at the breakdown of the damage. His first move turned me into a bird. I looked it up and it says I am a bird for 10 seconds. Only 2 things block it, having Aegis and hoping he casts that while you have Aegis, and dodging it. Usually people don’t try to dodge the very first attack in my experience. What can you do? Your minions insta die and you’re a bird for 10 seconds, and he can kill you in 4 seconds.

It has nothing to do with my build, my class. Any class going up against someone who does that automatically loses, except on the off chance they randomly dodge or have Aegis when he casts that. He can cast it at anytime also, so it wouldn’t matter, there is no way to know it is coming and it’s the instant beat all in any fight with any class. You can’t say it’s not.

Boomshakaboom.5403:

looool you’re bad

I am bad because ArenaNet made it so I instantly lose 6 minions (that have combined 60,000 health that also heal me and take away conditions and should be able to take me out of bird form but they cant because they die) and I get turned into a bird for 10 seconds and I can’t do anything but “peck” which deals almost no damage. While he kills me in about 4 seconds literally.

So I am bad because I cannot form a defense against that elite skill he has? My elite skills do nothing near that. It is seriously the most OP thing to do, insta kill anyones followers/minions and down them in 4 seconds. Especially when it is against a necro minion master who has toughness stacked as much as possible + everything is set for healing. When I wasn’t a bird he still killed me in 4 seconds. It’s so OP to be hit by a 5,000 chunk and I can only heal 400-600 in the same amount of time.

Here is me healing in another MMO, I know quite a bit about how healing should work compared to damage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PVrCJI7dRU&feature=g-upl

In SWTOR I had about 15,700 ish HP and I could land heals for as much as someone could dish out damage. In GW2 it is not even close for the necro class, even though everything I do heals me, it’s for very small amounts. Thus makingi a guardian a better fighter because they out DPS me and out Heal me. I did 1 v 1 with them too. makes no sense. Necro need huge healing boost.

Just dodge or LoS when he tries to turn you into a Moa. It has a four minute cooldown ya know

Yes but the bird didn’t kill you and you can evade as. Bird, without knowing what skills they used it is hard to tell, but ALWAYS pay attention to your death screen. As a Mesmer I find it hard to believe that they got you down in 4 seconds as the bird cast animation takes a few seconds so really he dropped you to zero in 1 second, and if not you can’t have seen him coming which refers you to my above post, and also if you didn’t pay attention to the death screen how do you know it was the Mesmer alone who killed you??
if they were phantasm build they would not have long enough to pop up 2 phantasms in that time also the pistol phantasm would only get off 1 burst of fire that at best with crits may take off 8k and he couldn’t pop another dualist as they have a longer CD, so you are relying on his direct damage which against a strong toughness build would not drop you that fast, what is your HP pool like? Did you notice any phantasms, if so what were they.

I am asking because I hope this is a truthful post and that your facts are correct as I would hate to think this was just another troll post. Trying to draw hate due to the fact you feel hurt someone beat your build.

This is not meant as an insult but you can understand how your post reads.

But I will agree that Moa destroying all your pets and being able to counter other elites like Lichform is pretty OP, and this is coming from someone who has a lvl 65 mesmer.

I’m starting to think Moa should let players keep their utility skills at least, if that makes it UP then the mesmer will have to start using Time Warp, like they should be in the first place.

This problem should fix itself after a while. You don’t have to l2p, but if enough other people l2p then most Mesmers will switch to Time Warp and you’ll have a whole new set of problems.

Ergo Proxy.6219:

Just dodge or LoS when he tries to turn you into a Moa. It has a four minute cooldown ya know

You can’t possibly guess when he is going to turn you into a bird. That’s the dumbest response yet.

dreamless.6539:

This problem should fix itself after a while. You don’t have to l2p, but if enough other people l2p then most Mesmers will switch to Time Warp and you’ll have a whole new set of problems.

Lols now then there will be some QQ’s on the forums, my guild mates wet them selves when I pop that with melee dps around.

Also to OP I played a healing imperial agent in SWTOR but what you forget is that there is no trinity in GW2, and hence no really healing class, you cannot out heal any damage source in PvP, you need to be more mobile use evade etc, and make the best use of your cc, GW2 seems to be more based around an offensive use of skills than a defensive one (apart from bunker guardians), and this now makes it clearer why you maybe feel hard done by, there are no healers in this game, and I think you maybe class your sef as one, and that is where you could be struggling with the game mechanics a bit.

Kryank.8069:

Yes but the bird didn’t kill you and you can evade as. Bird, without knowing what skills they used it is hard to tell, but ALWAYS pay attention to your death screen. As a Mesmer I find it hard to believe that they got you down in 4 seconds as the bird cast animation takes a few seconds so really he dropped you to zero in 1 second, and if not you can’t have seen him coming which refers you to my above post, and also if you didn’t pay attention to the death screen how do you know it was the Mesmer alone who killed you??
if they were phantasm build they would not have long enough to pop up 2 phantasms in that time also the pistol phantasm would only get off 1 burst of fire that at best with crits may take off 8k and he couldn’t pop another dualist as they have a longer CD, so you are relying on his direct damage which against a strong toughness build would not drop you that fast, what is your HP pool like? Did you notice any phantasms, if so what were they.

I am asking because I hope this is a truthful post and that your facts are correct as I would hate to think this was just another troll post. Trying to draw hate due to the fact you feel hurt someone beat your build.

This is not meant as an insult but you can understand how your post reads.

Being turned into a bird for 10 seconds and all of your skills completely disappear is what kills you. What do you mean the “bird” didn’t kill me? He turned me into a bird. I am not trolling look it up. The necro build I was using had max toughness + hp + healing + removing conditions from myself. When you get turned into a bird all you can do is “peck”, all of your skills go away for 10 seconds. Try to survive against anyone attacking you when you can only “peck” for 10 seconds and it only deals 200 damage……

His first move turned me into a bird, and then I died before I was turned back into my Asura form. He legit killed me in about 4-5 seconds. I saw his hits on me and some of them said “5,000”. This was a 1vs1 duel and it was just me and him.

For anyone to hit 5,000’s there should be a class that can heal 5,000’s. To OP

Kryank.8069:

dreamless.6539:

This problem should fix itself after a while. You don’t have to l2p, but if enough other people l2p then most Mesmers will switch to Time Warp and you’ll have a whole new set of problems.

Lols now then there will be some QQ’s on the forums, my guild mates wet them selves when I pop that with melee dps around.

Also to OP I played a healing imperial agent in SWTOR but what you forget is that there is no trinity in GW2, and hence no really healing class, you cannot out heal any damage source in PvP, you need to be more mobile use evade etc, and make the best use of your cc, GW2 seems to be more based around an offensive use of skills than a defensive one (apart from bunker guardians), and this now makes it clearer why you maybe feel hard done by, there are no healers in this game, and I think you maybe class your sef as one, and that is where you could be struggling with the game mechanics a bit.

It is very odd. But you can’t just have a beat all class that turns people into a bird and wins. It’s so messed up. No other MMO had an elite skill so OP it beats everything and there is no counter to it.

No but you said he killed you in 4 seconds and the Moa bird cast animation takes a few seconds, so really he burst you down in 1 second, and if not you didn’t see him coming, so you may not have seen a ranger or rifle warrior attacking you as well, I am just saying that if you think the Mao morph is OP that is one thing, but to state that a Mesmer burst you down in 4 seconds when Mao morph has a few second animation is just not true, unless you got turned into a bird with out seeing the Mesmer in which case he could have had 10 seconds before that to set up phantasms etc before he popped bird on you, now for a Mesmer to do it in 15 seconds I believe, but show me a dps class that couldn’t burn ou down in 15 secs if they got the jump on you.

Here are a few tips for trying to avoid frustrating situations like this in the future. I’ve been on both ends of the Mesmer poop train, so I completely understand what it’s like to get shut down COMPLETELY and not even be able to find the right one before you get killed.

Some of this has already been posted, and I apologize, I just wanted to be thorough.

1) Watch the Mesmer, carefully!
Moa Morph does have a 2 second cast time, and it is possible to avoid because of this. The only things a Mesmer has that takes more than a second are the phantasms, I believe. Those are good to dodge, too, because if you dodge, the direct-targeted phantasm won’t be summoned. So if you do see a Mesmer casting for more than about 1 second, mash your dodge key. It will always be a good idea.

2) Reconsider your tanky/healy build.
You can’t outheal anything, directly. Your build may or may not be very powerful. I’ve never played Necro so I can’t make any claims, but I will say that the tanky condition stacking ones are the main types I have problems with as a Mesmer. That being said, focusing too far into your healing and regeneration will probably leave you disappointed because Anet is trying very hard to avoid any type of powerful healing system in which you can facetank damage and outheal it. Now I understand that this may be frustrating to you, considering the build you’ve described, but this is a large part of what keeps GW2 combat dynamic. You have to move and run and dodge and do stuff! You cannot facetank anything, as any class, against any class (or PvE mob). I would suggest splicing in some other offensive capabilities. Don’t completely change your build all at once, pick and prune out the skills or traits that might not be as beneficial as another, and exchange it for something more offensive until you find a balance that leaves you “tanky” enough to survive well, but more capable of doing damage.

3) Practice, practice, practice!
I’m not saying this in a rude way like “L2P you newb!” I’m saying it because specifically Mesmers are one of the hardest classes to play and to fight against. 4 hours of PvP won’t even scratch the surface of Mesmer strategy, especially if you haven’t had the opportunity to really examine their abilities in a controlled environment (dueling with a friend or something).

Now all that being said, a screenshot of the death screen or a short video of the fight (very short from your description) would really be helpful. I would love nothing more than to sit with you and talk about the abilities that did so much damage, because like I said, Necros are honestly one of the toughest classes for me to beat, so I would love to see how to get rid of them!

Mesmers right now simply have it all. By using portal they get outrageous mobility and defense capabilities. The clones provide the BEST survivability simply because humans can only take in so much information at once (and we suck at MULTITASKING). Plus mesmers have a base hp of 15K!!!!! 15K!!!!!!!!! That’s higher than guaridans.Then comes the phantasms with their over the top damage (5.5k crits by staffs and 6k crits by sword offhand. If you want to see those numbers just get all the traits that give phantasms %dmg and go power+prec for stats). Even going full out offense build they still get 20k+ health. Not to mention thekittensword 2 skill that gives invul on such a SHORT cd. GUARDIAN GET A STUPID 3 SECOND INVUL ON A 90!!!!!! SECOND cd. kitten This is all not including thekittenMOA which is THE single mostkitten ultimate (besides Guardian FULL team heal) ever because it’s almost impossible to interrupt since the mesmers can just use clone/stealth to distract you. All of the above traits don’t require different builds. You get 10k+ bursts with 20k health or higher and the portal only TAKES 1 support slot. Simply most ridiculous kitten in sPvP right now making other classes subpar. Just the mere fact that for Khylo you need a mesmer to win points at how unbalanced portal is.

Giant rant ftw!

Temariah.9372:

Here are a few tips for trying to avoid frustrating situations like this in the future. I’ve been on both ends of the Mesmer poop train, so I completely understand what it’s like to get shut down COMPLETELY and not even be able to find the right one before you get killed.

Some of this has already been posted, and I apologize, I just wanted to be thorough.

1) Watch the Mesmer, carefully!
Moa Morph does have a 2 second cast time, and it is possible to avoid because of this. The only things a Mesmer has that takes more than a second are the phantasms, I believe. Those are good to dodge, too, because if you dodge, the direct-targeted phantasm won’t be summoned. So if you do see a Mesmer casting for more than about 1 second, mash your dodge key. It will always be a good idea.

2) Reconsider your tanky/healy build.
You can’t outheal anything, directly. Your build may or may not be very powerful. I’ve never played Necro so I can’t make any claims, but I will say that the tanky condition stacking ones are the main types I have problems with as a Mesmer. That being said, focusing too far into your healing and regeneration will probably leave you disappointed because Anet is trying very hard to avoid any type of powerful healing system in which you can facetank damage and outheal it. Now I understand that this may be frustrating to you, considering the build you’ve described, but this is a large part of what keeps GW2 combat dynamic. You have to move and run and dodge and do stuff! You cannot facetank anything, as any class, against any class (or PvE mob). I would suggest splicing in some other offensive capabilities. Don’t completely change your build all at once, pick and prune out the skills or traits that might not be as beneficial as another, and exchange it for something more offensive until you find a balance that leaves you “tanky” enough to survive well, but more capable of doing damage.

3) Practice, practice, practice!
I’m not saying this in a rude way like “L2P you newb!” I’m saying it because specifically Mesmers are one of the hardest classes to play and to fight against. 4 hours of PvP won’t even scratch the surface of Mesmer strategy, especially if you haven’t had the opportunity to really examine their abilities in a controlled environment (dueling with a friend or something).

Now all that being said, a screenshot of the death screen or a short video of the fight (very short from your description) would really be helpful. I would love nothing more than to sit with you and talk about the abilities that did so much damage, because like I said, Necros are honestly one of the toughest classes for me to beat, so I would love to see how to get rid of them!

1). Any good mesmers throws down clones or goes invis before actually casting the ultimate. No one’s just going to stand there and cast his spells waiting for you to interrupt it. Not all builds have interrupts.

2). You need a certain degree of survivability or you’re just going to get facerolled before you can do anything.

3). Sure you can practice but who’s stopping the MESMER PLAYERS from practicing?

Step 1: switch to another build, condition for example… minion-oriented builds tend to do poorly in sPvP in my experience, because they tend to run around all over the place and get themselves killed by aoe

Step 2: watch for the Moa cast and dodge it

Step 3: if step 2 fails and you get Moa-d, run away, use line of sight, and dodge. You may not be able to damage the Mesmer, but it’s quite easy to make him unable to damage you as well

Rell.8395:

1). Any good mesmers throws down clones or goes invis before actually casting the ultimate. No one’s just going to stand there and cast his spells waiting for you to interrupt it. Not all builds have interrupts.

2). You need a certain degree of survivability or you’re just going to get facerolled before you can do anything.

3). Sure you can practice but who’s stopping the MESMER PLAYERS from practicing?

Re: 1) Stealths only last at most 3 seconds, so if a Mesmer stealths, wait approximately 1 second, then dodge. I actually didn’t focus that tip on interrupting because I find it much harder to time than dodges, because dodging gives you ~1 second of invulnerability. It’s just easier for me, maybe interrupting is easier for you. If so, more power to you. If you really are having a hard time keeping tabs on the Mesmer, then you need to step back for a moment and take a quick glance at the field. Clones do not move if you are in range. The Mesmer will. Clones also only attack about once every 4 second or so (my estimation, I could be off). I find that it’s not hard to find which one is the real Mesmer, and once you do, you should try to put a target on it, and keep it in your sights. Like I said, watch the Mesmer carefully!

Re: 2) Right! That’s exactly what I said. I agree wholeheartedly. Only very slowly reduce your tankiness while adding in damage-oriented things. You want to stop the changes once you reach a point where you’re still tanky enough to survive, but can do adequate damage. I’m pretty sure we’re on the same page. Stop trying to argue. ^^

Re: 3) If the Mesmer is practicing just as hard as you, but started out at a higher level due to previous practicing, I would hope they’d win. But you also have to take into account the law of diminishing returns. So at some point, that Mesmer will come to a relative plateau, at which point you can really catch up to them and lower the discrepancy.

Run a toughness/condition necro. A well timed epidemic/plague can send the mesmer to oblivion.
I’ve started playing mesmer yesterday as my 5th PvP class, well 6th if I consider the 2 days playing ele in beta. I have to day that after like 1-2 hours you can get a hang of it, and it’s fun city. Easy to play.
You can get over 230 points in pubs easily, depending on map (forest of npc pawnage seem to be the best map for quick rank farm),

My overall point is, if the Mesmer turns me into a MOA at all, it’s an automatic lose. It shouldn’t be 10 seconds of being a bird. That’s instant death. It should be turning me into a bird for 2-4 seconds with a 90 second cooldown to 2 min cooldown. 10 seconds is legit enough time for one person to completely kill another person. Think about it, go duel someone and stand still for 10 seconds, that is exactly what happens when you get turned into a MOA, you have 1 attack, “peck” deals almost no damage.

If that isn’t the best rofl stomp the devs ever came up with to troll anyone who doesn’t roll a mesmer, I don’t know what is…

Dust Bunny.1652:

Run a toughness/condition necro. A well timed epidemic/plague can send the mesmer to oblivion.
I’ve started playing mesmer yesterday as my 5th PvP class, well 6th if I consider the 2 days playing ele in beta. I have to day that after like 1-2 hours you can get a hang of it, and it’s fun city. Easy to play.
You can get over 230 points in pubs easily, depending on map (forest of npc pawnage seem to be the best map for quick rank farm),

You could have 5,000 toughness and 35,000 hp. If you are turned into a bird with your only move being “peck” for 10 seconds, you lose. There is no coming back from that because you are at such low health if you even did survive that you can’t heal back up because the Healing Per Second in this game max is 400-700 and DPS for mesmer is 6,000. It’s impossible to recover from unless you have all protection spells, and even then if you’re a guardian you lose.

Jason Segel.2908:

My overall point is, if the Mesmer turns me into a MOA at all, it’s an automatic lose. It shouldn’t be 10 seconds of being a bird. That’s instant death. It should be turning me into a bird for 2-4 seconds with a 90 second cooldown to 2 min cooldown. 10 seconds is legit enough time for one person to completely kill another person. Think about it, go duel someone and stand still for 10 seconds, that is exactly what happens when you get turned into a MOA, you have 1 attack, “peck” deals almost no damage.

If that isn’t the best rofl stomp the devs ever came up with to troll anyone who doesn’t roll a mesmer, I don’t know what is…

Use the dodge button to run. Hide behind a line of sight object. If he chases you, make him follow. It’s pretty easy to burn that 10 seconds up, and even if you don’t, that’s 1 more mesmer that isn’t using the portal function, which is by FAR more useful to anyone with common sense. MoA is for pub stomping, perioud, and pub/pug play in GW2 is for glory only, not for winning. If that’s a problem or not is up to you, but I’m just saying no team in their right mind is speccing MoA mesmers in competitive tPvP play unless they just have a random extra mesmer to burn a useless move on.

Eurosdown.6072:

Step 1: switch to another build, condition for example… minion-oriented builds tend to do poorly in sPvP in my experience, because they tend to run around all over the place and get themselves killed by aoe

Step 2: watch for the Moa cast and dodge it

Step 3: if step 2 fails and you get Moa-d, run away, use line of sight, and dodge. You may not be able to damage the Mesmer, but it’s quite easy to make him unable to damage you as well

The guy who rofl stomped me was so sure of himself, he didn’t make any clones of himself at all. We met up, and did a bunch of 1 v 1. He proved his class deals 10 times as much burst damage as mine does. After being turned into the MOA, I legit died in less than 5 seconds, I was a MOA and I was on the ground and couldn’t move(not like it matters cuz you can only “peck” which deals 100 dmg…) and he rofl stomped me. He used one move and got me instantly.

The next few fights he didn’t even use that move and still rofl stomped me by hitting me with 5,000 + attacks, of which my main attack deals 3,000 over a 3 second channel if i crit… He used all instant attacks it seemed like.

Not sure what to tell you, this really happened. Can’t dodge him when you’re on the ground and have no abilities to get up or heal or protect with. Sorry, you’re whole argument is invalid. The second you’re a bird you lost the fight. Just click respawn.

aydenunited.5729:

Jason Segel.2908:

My overall point is, if the Mesmer turns me into a MOA at all, it’s an automatic lose. It shouldn’t be 10 seconds of being a bird. That’s instant death. It should be turning me into a bird for 2-4 seconds with a 90 second cooldown to 2 min cooldown. 10 seconds is legit enough time for one person to completely kill another person. Think about it, go duel someone and stand still for 10 seconds, that is exactly what happens when you get turned into a MOA, you have 1 attack, “peck” deals almost no damage.

If that isn’t the best rofl stomp the devs ever came up with to troll anyone who doesn’t roll a mesmer, I don’t know what is…

Use the dodge button to run. Hide behind a line of sight object. If he chases you, make him follow. It’s pretty easy to burn that 10 seconds up, and even if you don’t, that’s 1 more mesmer that isn’t using the portal function, which is by FAR more useful to anyone with common sense. MoA is for pub stomping, perioud, and pub/pug play in GW2 is for glory only, not for winning. If that’s a problem or not is up to you, but I’m just saying no team in their right mind is speccing MoA mesmers in competitive tPvP play unless they just have a random extra mesmer to burn a useless move on.

He turned me into a MOA and instant knocked me on the ground. 4-5 seconds later I was dead. Nothing could have been done.

I will gladly duel anyone who is a mesmer and wants to use that elite ability to show them even with all healing moves and everything geared towards me gaining health back, i cannot recover from it. and to suggest i can burst dps back from it is a joke as well.

It seems you have a bad mentality when making builds, you shouldn’t be trying to out heal damage.

Make a new build, test builds, dont give up, you can get much better

You play a minion master necromancer and think that you can win a fight ? : )) You are very optimistic – minion AI is glitching all the time, they go AFK when you are being beaten, only useful minion is flesh golem, since he does atleast some dmg, doesn’t die in few aoe hits and the only one that heals out of combat. When I play my necromancer (in tournament or just spvp) if I see a MM necro, always tell to target him first, since his dmg is non-existent, he has no utility skills, his minions either die from aoe or do nothing – its a perfect target, especially in the beginning of the round when he has no life force and cant even DS.

My suggestion for you, stop thinking that necromancer has anything to do with minions, go condition build as most of us (now I am trying 30/20/20/0/0 build myself, since i want to play with an axe) and start trying really hard, since its the only way to win in the current state of the game (not like some classes, that only have to press 2-3 buttons to win).

The answer is yes, they are. The faster you roll one and learn how to play it, the happier you’ll be.

You never tried to kill the phantasms

You never watched your debuffs

You casted mindlessly through a reflection field

Without that a mesmer would have no chance to burst you down so fast

Actually casting moa and summoning 3 phantasm to make any burst possible takes longer than whatever you descriped.

I don’t think so, I just think mesmers are possibly the hardest ones to learn to beat, and not many except quite a few can kill them without a problem at all.

I notice I sometimes get mixed up with the clones, but a lot of people that fight me never attack a single clone, and even hit me and arrows heat seek me while im invisible as if they’ve never lost targeting.

I say just learn to fight mesmers. You can one hit the glass cannon mesmers very easily. They are very puny because their control trait is a damage trait which is just funny. They cannot control their way out of bad situations and have to do the same thing they would all the time.

It’s the ones that are chaos/inspiration/illusion specced that will be trouble to take down. Those are tanky and don’t require needing to control your way out of bad situations.

If you see him running around and casting for a REALLY LONG TIME, use your mentally damaged golem to charge him.

It will ruin him and his little Moa’s day, especially if his back is against a wall.

As for everything else….just learn to play.

Mesmers are the best class in tPvP without a doubt. I know this because I’ve had time across all professions and play a Mesmer myself now too.

There is no true counter to a good Mesmer like you would any other class. HB Warriors? Everyone knows the combo now. Thieves? Hard yes but if you can withstand their initial burst, chances are you either send them running or they get overwhelmed without their CDs.

You can’t catch a Mesmer if they know what they’re doing. Blink, Mirror Images, Decoy, these are all stun breaks and they’re all under a minute cool down. If you do catch them without one of these up and bulls them down, they can still use Staff Phase Retreat(8s cd) to get to a safe distance while on the ground.

Condition builds? You better bring some removals, they can wash or transfer and reset easily while stripping or stealing your boons. If you CC them, their illusions are still stacking bleeds, just CCing a Mesmer does not stop their damage output. If you pop their clones, Debilitating Dissipation ensures you will not enjoy that too.

Phantasm builds? You better LoS the iDuelist fast or pop it, or it WILL kill you. Unless your class has AoE you’re spending time that could of been used to damage the Mesmer on his illusions, this puts you directly behind the race to kill. Their Phantasm and other illusion skills also have a MUCH lower CD than all other pet skills across professions, just check it side by side with Ranger Spirits, Guardian Spirit Weapons, Necromancer Minions. Also, they don’t take up their utility slots, most of them are on weapon skills meaning they can still pack their lol utilities.

They don’t have to take your kitten if they don’t want to. Distortion can reflect nasty things in clutch moments (Sword works too) and shattering is still possible while stun/kd’d. It’s not as widespread right now, but Warden’s Feedback + Focus is pretty OP and isn’t being abused as it could be.

Control? Check, Damage? Check, Mobility/Survivability? Check. Mesmers have everyone’s strengths in their utilities in better iterations AND lower CDs. So yes, there is no contest. And this notion that they’re only good duelists and bad in team fights? Bull crap, Time Warp is I-Win in a large setting while Null Field IS the best mass dispel in the game.

Ctrl + T doesn’t even affect Mesmers that much as you have the tools to kite better than any class to begin with already.

I’m sorry OP but this is just not making sense now, a Mesmer has very little dips without clones & illusions and he CANNOT do 5000 dps with or without them, burst damage and dps are 2 completely differentthings, if you got beat by a Mesmer with no clones and illusions and with out been MAO Morphed as you have said above (sorry for some reason I can’t use quotes here) this really is a L2P issue and I’m afraid it is just turning into another one of ‘those’ posts. If you read the forums nearly every class is OP, and that is just because people are not use to the game mechanics yet. This is not a 1v1 pvp game (hence no duels) its based around team play, and the lack of a holy trinity is taking people a while to get use to.

Kryank.8069:

if you got beat by a Mesmer with no clones and illusions and with out been MAO Morphed as you have said above

You obviously play the Chinese version. I wonder what is better being Mao Zedong or a moa bird .)

Lmao yeah just seen my spelling.

Yeah, there’s nothing to say here, you got curb stomped.

Moa Morph is a THREE MINUTE ability for a reason. It’s a powerful hard-disable.

If you’re getting constantly moaed by a Mesmer, it’s because he’s saving it specifically for you and only you. I don’t use it as a Mesmer because the cooldown is so prohibitive, but it is a one button hard counter to a Pet based Necro. I’m not entirely convinced that we should have it.

People complain about Mesmers because they simply can’t keep track of the chaos. Not that the build is broken so much as the players are not sure how to focus. In group fights, Mesmer’s fighting drops off fairly significantly compare to other classes. They’re not a beat-all class so much as they’re the best duelists in the game.

There’s always going to be one class in any game that has superior one-on-one skills.

i love how people say just dodge/los when youre moa’d like it’s hard for them to track you down and kill you lol.

Huhh… Never lost to a mesmer in pvp and have played easily over 100 games, faced them 1v1 about 5 times atleast, Died maybe once against them, killed 4/5 mesmers and Im a ranger with a longbow, not bad huh?

Lukin.4061:

You play a minion master necromancer and think that you can win a fight ? : )) You are very optimistic – minion AI is glitching all the time, they go AFK when you are being beaten, only useful minion is flesh golem, since he does atleast some dmg, doesn’t die in few aoe hits and the only one that heals out of combat. When I play my necromancer (in tournament or just spvp) if I see a MM necro, always tell to target him first, since his dmg is non-existent, he has no utility skills, his minions either die from aoe or do nothing – its a perfect target, especially in the beginning of the round when he has no life force and cant even DS.

My suggestion for you, stop thinking that necromancer has anything to do with minions, go condition build as most of us (now I am trying 30/20/20/0/0 build myself, since i want to play with an axe) and start trying really hard, since its the only way to win in the current state of the game (not like some classes, that only have to press 2-3 buttons to win).

I have switched my build around. You are right. Necro MM can’t do anything, toughness doesn’t help almost at all, minions attack wayyyy to slow and don’t deal enough damage. The theif and mesmers minions/summons/clones deal easily 3,000 DPS while my minions cant even manage 1,000 DPS. I have kept track and done tests. I think thats the main issue

Mayama.1854:

You never tried to kill the phantasms

You never watched your debuffs

You casted mindlessly through a reflection field

Without that a mesmer would have no chance to burst you down so fast

Actually casting moa and summoning 3 phantasm to make any burst possible takes longer than whatever you descriped.

Nope. Did the 1 v 1 against the same person for about 30 minutes. He explained what was happeneing as well. The problem is you cant have an ability that insta kills 60,000+ health worth of minions, no other class has that. Besides the facts my minions total DPS is only around 1,000 while mesmers get their phantasms and clones, and theifs get their summon 2 theives, which easily deal 3,000 DPS. you are completly wrong and dont know the numbers. sorry mate. Necro is UP for MM completely.

Lumines.3916:

Mesmers are the best class in tPvP without a doubt. I know this because I’ve had time across all professions and play a Mesmer myself now too.

There is no true counter to a good Mesmer like you would any other class. HB Warriors? Everyone knows the combo now. Thieves? Hard yes but if you can withstand their initial burst, chances are you either send them running or they get overwhelmed without their CDs.

You can’t catch a Mesmer if they know what they’re doing. Blink, Mirror Images, Decoy, these are all stun breaks and they’re all under a minute cool down. If you do catch them without one of these up and bulls them down, they can still use Staff Phase Retreat(8s cd) to get to a safe distance while on the ground.

Condition builds? You better bring some removals, they can wash or transfer and reset easily while stripping or stealing your boons. If you CC them, their illusions are still stacking bleeds, just CCing a Mesmer does not stop their damage output. If you pop their clones, Debilitating Dissipation ensures you will not enjoy that too.

Phantasm builds? You better LoS the iDuelist fast or pop it, or it WILL kill you. Unless your class has AoE you’re spending time that could of been used to damage the Mesmer on his illusions, this puts you directly behind the race to kill. Their Phantasm and other illusion skills also have a MUCH lower CD than all other pet skills across professions, just check it side by side with Ranger Spirits, Guardian Spirit Weapons, Necromancer Minions. Also, they don’t take up their utility slots, most of them are on weapon skills meaning they can still pack their lol utilities.

They don’t have to take your kitten if they don’t want to. Distortion can reflect nasty things in clutch moments (Sword works too) and shattering is still possible while stun/kd’d. It’s not as widespread right now, but Warden’s Feedback + Focus is pretty OP and isn’t being abused as it could be.

Control? Check, Damage? Check, Mobility/Survivability? Check. Mesmers have everyone’s strengths in their utilities in better iterations AND lower CDs. So yes, there is no contest. And this notion that they’re only good duelists and bad in team fights? Bull crap, Time Warp is I-Win in a large setting while Null Field IS the best mass dispel in the game.

Ctrl + T doesn’t even affect Mesmers that much as you have the tools to kite better than any class to begin with already.

The whole fact that totally my minions can only deal 1,000 DPS while a mesmer and theif class can summon stuff/phantasm and clone and I see myself taking 3,000+ DPS easily means that mesmers stuff is OP and or Necro is UP. My minions cant do kitten for damage and neither can my character. The highest Hit I have hit with my necro is a 3 second channeled move that deals 3,000 over 3 seconds. Second highest move if it crits hit a 1,900 and after that it’s straight bullkitten. Necro DPS is easily 1/3 of mesmer/theif, while necro AOE is easily way lower than mesmer/theif as well. It doesnt make sense to have a class that legit doesn’t have anything good aboukitten except it can poison and bleed at a medium level.

Kalar Meadia.8439:

Yeah, there’s nothing to say here, you got curb stomped.

Moa Morph is a THREE MINUTE ability for a reason. It’s a powerful hard-disable.

If you’re getting constantly moaed by a Mesmer, it’s because he’s saving it specifically for you and only you. I don’t use it as a Mesmer because the cooldown is so prohibitive, but it is a one button hard counter to a Pet based Necro. I’m not entirely convinced that we should have it.

People complain about Mesmers because they simply can’t keep track of the chaos. Not that the build is broken so much as the players are not sure how to focus. In group fights, Mesmer’s fighting drops off fairly significantly compare to other classes. They’re not a beat-all class so much as they’re the best duelists in the game.

There’s always going to be one class in any game that has superior one-on-one skills.

No other class can insta kill 6 minions and thats 60,000 health worth of minions. In what world does that make sense I get turned into a bird for 10 seconds with no moves/healing/breakstun or anything, you cant even break stun out of it? What can my elite skills do? I can poison someone with 300-500 DPS and it only lasts for 1 and 1/2 second. I can turn into a lich which increases overall necro DPS from a measly 1,000-1,400 to maybe 2,000 ish for 30 seconds, but blow because you cant apply conditions anymore, so its not really good at all.

If you get turned into a bird it should be like 2-4 seconds, not 10, in 10 seconds any class can kill someone who cant do any moves. all you can do is dodge 2 times, and thats only if you still have dodge left! i had no dodge left because i was DODGING like i am supposed to.

It’s not L2P if someone can press the 0 button and instant win… If I could press 0 and turn you into a zombie for 10 seconds you automatically lose the fight also, all of your phantasms die, all your clones/summones go away, you have one move and it deals 100 damage or whatever bs it is. give necro the same elite skill and then you will understand how dumb it is to even have it in the game.

Sprawl.3891:

i love how people say just dodge/los when youre moa’d like it’s hard for them to track you down and kill you lol.

Right, if you already dodged once or twice, then what can you do? The advice people give on here make no sense. If you were already at like 3/4 health and you get turned into a bird, any class can kill someone who can’t defend themselves or dodge in 10 seconds you know?

You get turned into a huge bird, I am glad you understand how dumb it is rofl, thanks for support.

here’s my tip, play a couple hours as a mesmer, hell even 30 mins is fine, you’ll understand their mechanic and have a better understanding on how to kill them. Let us know after how you do.

All I can say is get your timing right, or learn when to use your fears better.

You’re not going to get argument on me about Moa. I don’t use the skill, I don’t like the skill. You complain that it canceled (Not kills, you are morphed out of your necromancer state, your pets poof) your pets. Two which one can argue why the kitten is it possible for you to have 60K HP worth of pets anyways. Calling for a nerf on something that hard counters you may draw attention to things wrong about your own strategy.

But Moa is meant to be a total shutdown skill. Not “Ha ha, I’m inconsequential because I’m hiding behind all my minions!” Even Mesmers lose out on Moa when they get hit. Again, it’s 3 minutes. The cooldown is atrocious. And I personally believe it was just a generally poorly designed skill. You won’t see me shed tears if it goes the way of the dodo. (‘Heh, it’s funny cause they’re both birds’.)

Again, I don’t need to be told how dirty of a skill it is. It’s not as if Mesmers are immune to being hit by the skill. (I’ve had a few mesmers used it on me as a copout to losing an engagement. Worse, I’ve had two mesmers rotate it on me and me specifically in a match to totally shut me out of a game.) But even if it’s anti-fun, it does not decide a match on it’s own.

Anet can decide what to do about it. Until then, learn to beat it, or stop playing a build that makes you an obvious Moa target. Your pets are highly annoying . Moa being an offswitch to them can feel selfishly gratifying sometimes, so don’t blame them for using what they’ve got.