Guild Wars 2

For those who feel they are stuck in MMR hell. Honestly this topic is best done in a video but i can’t do that especially since i didnt record gameplay but i’m just going to as briefly as possible explain how i ended up in Legend Division after being stuck in ruby and tier 2 diamond for about 3 weeks.

The class i play now is revenant, I made legendary champion on Necro, then played thief for just over a year then switched to revenant. I have about 5400 matches on thief, almost 3k matches on necro and about 1k matches on Rev. 99.9% of my league matches are with Rev.

When i started i lost no matches in Amber, 1 match in emerald, a few matches in saphire and then hit a wall in tier 3 ruby. This is what people would call MMR hell.

For some odd reason, i might win 5 matches in a row then get to tier 3 ruby and then lose the next 10, this happened for about a week. It made no sense to me. I thought i was decent enough with Rev to clear the league no problem even though i have a small fraction of the experience on the class compared to other classes, apparently this was wrong

No matter how good you think you are, if you are stuck in a division, from my experience it is likely that you arent as good as you think.

Does this mean MMR hell does not exist? no

It also helps that i play one of the two carry classes, Revenant, but each time i broke a wall like i did at tier 3 ruby i realized that i played far far better than i did before, my rotations where better as well.

It didnt help that i only play Revenant well so i can’t switch classes when Anet decided to match my team against stacked condi mesmers and condi necros (which is pretty much all the necros and mesmers you will meet anyway).

After clearing Ruby, i hit another wall in diamond. I thought that after what went through in Ruby i had gotten good enough to not have this problem again, but no that was wrong as well. Same thing, win 5 or 6 in a row then a triple lose streak, for two weeks this time, this was when i almost quit all together.

But at the end of the second week, i got so annoyed to the point where i decided that by any means necessary i will make it to legend division (I think it was an ego thing). Before this point i didnt realize how difficult it was to concentrate on killing as well as paying attention to rotations but i was able to go from no pips in diamond to tier 6 in 2 play sessions.

Then i hit another wall.

This one was different, my rotations were better, Pk’ing skills were better but it wasn’t enough, I had to forcefully drive the match to my favor. I had to make sure necro’s were dying without thinking my teammates would pull their weight, had to know when to Aoe stun, had to pay attention to Search and rescue and know when to sacrifice myself to stall. It really helped playing revenant, this would not be possible playing necro or thief.

I had to consistently play at an extreme level which i really wasnt used to. Up until this point, i would tend to relax in some matches because it was pretty hard to go full on every time but was so close to legend division that i had to learn to do it so now. I’m at legend and i’m a much better player than i thought i was.

Thanks for sharing the story and congrats on Legendary. Lots of good wisdom here.

Late ruby division is difficult to break out of for any player because the match outcomes are more gamble based than they are skill based, for these reasons:

• Players only know how to play one class and rarely swap
• Players are still dinking around with non metas or poor archetypes in general
• Players commit to gross errors in rotations that at times, throw matches instantly
• Players don’t communicate well or plainly ignore communication
• Players still like to farm achievements in ruby & under. Some of them would rather play a class they are poor on, lose 10 games and win 1 for the sake of getting a “ranked game won” towards an achievement than lose 1 and win 10 on a class they already have an achievement for, that they main.

The above are all gambits that you incur while playing solo que in ruby or lower and they often result in matches that are impossible to carry, no matter how good of a player you are. This is the MMR hell that players talk about.

In late diamond & legendary, everyone plays meta, they communicate, they understand rotations and they swap characters to form adequate comps. The games are honestly easier here and the outcomes are much more skill based and much less gambit based. Players end up hitting a wall in legendary because that really is the limit to their skill level but ruby division keeps good players “who should be competing against other good players” in a bad place for too long. Especially if you started the season late.

What I got from this story: typical average player goes from Ruby to Legendary by switching to Revenant. Duly noted.

Thoth Divine.8642:

What I got from this story: typical average player goes from Ruby to Legendary by switching to Revenant. Duly noted.

/facepalm

Thoth Divine.8642:

What I got from this story: typical average player goes from Ruby to Legendary by switching to Revenant. Duly noted.

+1 – what I get from this thread is that there are winners and losers – tell me something I don’t know

The OP doesn’t factor MMR at all.

MMR had a HUGE impact on my performance in League’s when comparing my main and alt acct. I didn’t ‘learn’ anything new as I flipped back and forth between them, my alt acct. just had better MMR and so I was matched with better MMR players, so naturally I won more.

In my opinion, the OP was just passed by everyone with better MMR so was able to progress in the end, as his MMR became better than those within his division/pip range.

My main struggled to get to Legendary while my alt breezed to it. Season 2 MMR was more about placing you in games you were meant to win or meant to lose.

It wasn’t about having a good game.

SoPP.7034:

The OP doesn’t factor MMR at all.

MMR had a HUGE impact on my performance in League’s when comparing my main and alt acct. I didn’t ‘learn’ anything new as I flipped back and forth between them, my alt acct. just had better MMR and so I was matched with better MMR players, so naturally I won more.

In my opinion, the OP was just passed by everyone with better MMR so was able to progress in the end, as his MMR became better than those within his division/pip range.

My main struggled to get to Legendary while my alt breezed to it. Season 2 MMR was more about placing you in games you were meant to win or meant to lose.

It wasn’t about having a good game.

The reason why i dont is because i cannot actually see it working. i cant see each players MMR then conclude ok yea it definitely is MMR. Even though the whole idea of the system foolishly putting people with low MMR together, i dont know how much of it is MMR and how much of it was skill so I had to assume all of it was skill.

godsie.2864:

Thoth Divine.8642:

What I got from this story: typical average player goes from Ruby to Legendary by switching to Revenant. Duly noted.

+1 – what I get from this thread is that there are winners and losers – tell me something I don’t know

Actually, not just revenant, condi mes is in the same category and there is condi necro but you still see alot more mesmers and necros than revenants because of how conditions are being treated in the game

Also, i realized that i wasnt as experienced with revenant as i thought probably because i had very few matches compared to other classes. I didnt play season one, just hot join so i pretty much learned revenant properly this season