Guild Wars 2

The main complaint with the 100b build besides the pathing issues with movement skills and its predictability, is the fact that is extremely fragile due to the low toughness (and its low condition removal). So i figured i’d try and make a 100b build with high toughness and minimal loss in damage.

I came up with two builds, one offensive and one more defensive, but both use the valkyrie amulet. The main trick to both of these is that they are more situational, and thus require a higher skill level to be effective on. Since this build uses the valkyrie amulet, it will have a much lower critical chance. To supplement this both builds will use eagle runes as well as rely heavily on fury and Discipline V. Another thing to note is the valkyrie amulet gives you a healing bonus as well, so your Healing Surge will be for about 9k at full adrenaline.

To make the most of this build, your main combo will come from shield bash, due to the stun. Both builds will use the arms trait IV, which is Unsuspecting Foe, which gives you extra critical hit chance vs stunned targets.

Your main combo will therefore be frenzy -> shield bash -> 100B since when the target is stunned, you will have around a 75% chance to crit which is on par with glass cannon 100b builds. One thing to note is that the stun on the shield with sigil of paralyzation lasts 2 seconds, and a frenzy 100b is around 1.75 or so, so you have to be relatively quick if you want to get the full combo off without them evading at the end

Your secondary combo, the regular bulls charge -> 100b will still be decent, its just your crit chance will be sitting at around 50%, so it wont do as much damage. I use it mostly to bait out stun breaks, since most people will usually hit their stun breaker when they get bulls charged and will almost always hit it when they get the 100b; you dont have to frenzy, and its best not to since you need it for the shield bash. One thing to note is that without fury your critical chance will be very low, so you have to be smart with your sig of rage.

So anyways, here are the builds, and below i have some graphs showing you how much damage you will lose, and how much damage you will mitigate, compared to a standard high damage glass cannon 100b build. With both of these builds, your armor will be around 3000, for reference a normal 100b build is around 2100 armor or so.

Offensive Build This build is closer to a standard 100b build, but with the valkyrie amulet instead of the berserker’s.
Valkyrie Amulet
Runes: 5 eagle, 1 divinity
Sigils: Greatsword rage. Axe+Shield int, paralyzation

Strength 20 (V, IX)
Arms 20 (IV, VI/X)
Discipline 30 (V, VII/VI/VIII, X)

Utility: BC, Frenzy, FGJ/Balance Stance/Endure Pain depending on the situation; FGJ is nice for fury upkeep, since fury is vital for this build.
Sig of rage
Healing Surge

Defensive Build
Valkyrie Amulet
Runes: 5 eagle, 1 divinity
Sigils: Greatsword rage. Axe+Shield int, paralyzation

Utility: BC, Frenzy, FGJ/Balance Stance/Endure Pain depending on the situation; endure pain and balance stance are better for this defensive build due to the Sure Footed trait.
Sig of rage
Healing Surge

Strength 10 (V)
Arms 10 (IV)
Defense 30 (III, VIII, XI)
Discipline 20 (V, VII/VI/VIII)

As you can see this defensive build does take a bit of a hit in damage, but the gain of endure pain and balance stance, and Sure Footed, as well as the 300 toughness helps mitigate that loss.

IMO, my favorite is the defensive build, due to the built in endure pain and balance stance, higher toughness, and stance duration. The damage loss isnt that bad.

Here are some graphs depicting the differences between the builds. Green is the standard high damage glass cannon 100b build, blue is my offensive build, and orange is my defensive build. Note that the 100b damage only includes the first 8 hits, and not the final strike. For the shield bash test (middle graph) take note of the ESD column, which shows your expected damage over multiple hits.

http://postimage.org/image/yh3kpxcp7/

Edit: Also, you dont necessarily even need bulls charge anymore, but i still find it useful, since it gives you another way to use your 100b combo.

Also the axe can be supplemented with the mace and its skull crack, so if you wanted to try that, you might be able to be less predictable, since you’d have shield bash, skull crack, and bulls charge, all to use your 100b with. Also they probably wouldnt know you need the stun to be most effective, so you could pretty easily bait out their stun breakers.

Why Balanced Stance is baseline on ANY good Warrior build and why ANY player starting a Warrior should have it:

1.) What team isn’t going to use Crowd Control?
-Understand that getting CC’d is the easiest time to get slowed and burst down.
-Balanced Stance is the BEST survivability a Warrior could have because cleansing, dodging conditions and burst becomes possible within those 8 seconds of stability.
2.) It secures burst such as Frenzy Chop/HB and kills for when you do down people.

TL;DR If your guides aren’t going to have Balanced Stance as a “necessity” don’t even bother noob trapping new players or convincing good players that your guide is going to work.

P.S There is no “Tank” Warrior build that’s going to work without both Balanced Stance and Signet of Stamina as utilities.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Why Balanced Stance is baseline on ANY good Warrior build and why ANY player starting a Warrior should have it:

1.) What team isn’t going to use Crowd Control?
-Understand that getting CC’d is the easiest time to get slowed and burst down.
-Balanced Stance is the BEST survivability a Warrior could have because cleansing, dodging conditions and burst becomes possible within those 8 seconds of stability.
2.) It secures burst such as Frenzy Chop/HB and kills for when you do down people.

TL;DR If your guides aren’t going to have Balanced Stance as a “necessity” don’t even bother noob trapping new players or convincing good players that your guide is going to work.

P.S There is no “Tank” Warrior build that’s going to work without both Balanced Stance and Signet of Stamina as utilities.

These arent guides, i am just posting my builds. I understand what balanced stance is and what it is useful for, in fact i’d say anyone who has played the game for more than 10 minutes is capable of understanding why balance stance is good. Anyways, if you had even read my OP i included it in both builds, so i dont understand your raging hard on to educate me on something i already know.

You talk like i am forcing people at gun point to do exactly what i say. All of this is just a suggestion, to maybe get people trying different types of builds.

Anyways, i just wanted to try something new. I think having 2800-3200 armor is viable if you play it right. Obviously you can only compensate so much for bad game mechanics, and obviously it will be harder, but if you are able to shield bash 100b you will do almost the same damage as a glass build. It all comes down to how you play it.

I love your constant absolutism and subjectivity though, it does so much for the benefit of the community. Also, i am not trying to convince anyone of anything, again, i’m just posting a build i made.

I dont really care whether or not you try it, i’m just putting it out there so someone might get something useful from it.

PS who TL;DR’s 5 lines of text?

Schwahrheit.4203:

So I’m the troll when I’m simply saying don’t bait people into thinking FGJ is viable as a glass cannon GS in PvP ?

Understand that this class lacks anyone giving out legit PvP guides, that’s why people think Warriors are bad. Saying “You should use FGJ in PvP” and then complain about how HB is hard to land because “I get CC’d when I try to land Frenzy HB so Warrior is under-powered and should be over-buffed” is just as silly as what I do to be honest.

your focusing to much on the subject of warriors rather than how your conveying it in such a troll manner

you call op’s thread just flat out wrong then sanction him for doing so and off of what? your own subjective opinions
sure you can have opinions but just try to explain them in a constructive but disagreeing way.

when you believe your own idea’s or thought’s are held higher or more important than others that so should everyone else’s that is just called fascism

“any who may wish profit himself alone from the knowledge given him, rather than serve others through the knowledge he has gained from learning, is betraying knowledge and rendering it worthless” -Haile Selassie

sand is in no wrong for trying to give a small community of mist players a build he thought was worthy of play, he was baiting no one.

so if you think that your way of doing it is better then here’s a thought
GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD if you think your version of warrior is whats best for the community.

and to get this thread back on RAIL here is my warrior build

the titan build

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s7ws;1RKFP0g4wK-60;9;4JJ-J949-38;206-5;0RoV4;2sV2DsV2D6BO (copy past it in url)

CC and plenty of defense- this build can land a 6+ sec stun chain and is given all the crit/damage it will ever need through stuns and imobilizes wich also make great gap closers.
switch out your healing surge for mending for more condi removal and your signet of rage for a war banner for more group utility, depending on enemy team composition ofcourse

@Kline
Your build will suck at hot-join and fail even harder in tPvP. Its nice to have freedom of speech and all but if you’re going to post builds that get out-done by other Warrior builds with legit traits, runes, and sigils, then that’s your loss.

This is what I mean:

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/1910550

If you wanted to get an idea of “tanky Warrior who sets up kills for team mates” maybe use ideal weapon sets and utility sets like this and actually contribute to posting builds that HELP players who are starting to play Warriors. Not posting noob trap builds and mind sets.

And before says my build doesn’t work, when Ele’s get nerfed it will be

Everyone’s opinion is valid (to an extent).

Now, I like Schwar, he’s generally not a bad guy. Sure he comes off as an kitten on the forums but he is trying to do his best to steer people in the right direction. All be it, his methods (IMO) are completely wrong and just make him look bad.

Per the discussion and balanced stance. In a team fight scenario it’s always very solid to have someone with on-demand stability in order to guarantee a stomp. Coupled with how prone warriors are to being interrupted mid HB or via CC’s – in MY opinion having balanced stance is neccessary 75% of the time.

The only time where you can maybe change it out is based on the other teams comp and how heavy they are on the CC’s.

If I am personally fighting a burst heavy team (1-2 thieves etc.) I’ll swap out balanced stance for Endure Pain just so that I can live a little longer against them.

Edit Expanded:

I would like to quickly touch on something.

For warriors to be feasible they have to be extremely mobile (its the only area in this game where we semi-keep up with other classes).

If we want to be extremely mobile we have to choose either 1handed sword or GS.

1H sword is not that great simply because bleeds can get wiped extremely fast. When compared to Axe’s F1 or Mace’s stun capabilities – it’s difficult to WANT to bring a Sword over the latter.

GS on the other hand lends itself to damage and more importantly – mobility. It’s because of this that most people flock to it. However, when running GS you essentially need Balanced Stance to make it’s burst capabilities work.

What it boils down to: Warriors need a baseline mobility attack (preferably a second Adrenaline skill). With this they can stop relying on GS as much, and with that they don’t need to have balanced stance 75% of the time.

Everything just compounds on each other because Arena Net is frankly not seeing the big picture. But that’s not my problem, it’s their game to shoot in the foot.

@ defektive
thanks defektive for an awesome post!

yeah I would have no problem with schwar just wish he would be more subtle and show a pinch of professionalism in his post but meh.

and on the subject of warrior mobility, I completely agree they need a baseline ability
they should add a f2 ability, just a simple “mild” distance charge targeted or none
and to keep it balanced it should cost adrenaline so that you have to choose between damage or mobility.

Due to high ele meta, I’m using a immo heavy build with warr. GS/sword+shield coupled with leg specialist&bolas instead of balanced stance to bait out mist form or use a non-frenzy 100b on them if they don’t mist form. I get my condi removal/stability from lyssa runes or from a guardian if I fight on mid point.

That said, I don’t really play that much warrior anymore, been playing with terrornecro/bunkerguard lately and it’s hilarious how much easier it is fitting in a team composition than a warrior. I think if they would make rush and other capclosers 100% reliable then warrior would be in a much better situation.

Sidenote: kitten you NA guys play some weird builds, most of that stuff wouldn’t work here.