Guild Wars 2

After reaching 11 pips in diamond after hard work I got caught in a downward spiral and the following screen shows what happens to me more often than it should.

That’s basically my life last 20 days in ruby.

For some reason I’m getting more of such blowouts than any balanced matches.
This is why I’m stuck in ruby.

Either the opponents are much higher MMR than my team or it’s the opposite.

Close games are really rare.

Terrorsquad.2349:

That’s basically my life last 20 days in ruby.

For some reason I’m getting more of such blowouts than any balanced matches.
This is why I’m stuck in ruby.

Either the opponents are much higher MMR than my team or it’s the opposite.

Close games are really rare.

Look closely. I have 3 emerald in my team because some **** diamond player thought it was cool to queue with 3 emeralds. The same happened to me twice in a row yesterday (3 emerald + 1 diamond in a party)
But yes after reaching 11 pips in diamond I suddenly started loosing 80% of my games again just like when I was stuck in emerald MMR hell (had to party to get out).

Your ranked winrate is 46% according to your API key, and you have a bazillion games. The matchup you posted is unfortunate, but I’d say you should be happy you made it as far as you did.

Based on the data id speculate that you got Legend in S1 based on volume, and are exactly the kind of player matchmaking was changed to combat.

Celeras.4980:

Your ranked winrate is 46% according to your API key, and you have a bazillion games. The matchup you posted is unfortunate, but I’d say you should be happy you made it as far as you did.

of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.
My last seasons winrate was like 70% (guessing this, I didnt write down the results of every match) when I pushed from ruby to legendary

Malediktus.9250:

of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.

8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.

Celeras.4980:

Malediktus.9250:

of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.

8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.

I gurante you it is the same with every class. I tried all the classes I feel like I am decent at ever since I dropped from 11 to 0 pips. Nothing changes. And considering I have less than 1000 games on each class a few bad games or experimenting can easily ruin the whole win rate. Its the same experience like I had back in emerald.
Lastly I might be with you if we loose by ~100 points or less that it might be my fault that we lost and I could have done things better, but if we loose by 200 or more points it is very unlikely to be only my fault.

Celeras.4980:

Malediktus.9250:

of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.

8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.

what website are you using to check win rate or mmr this season?

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Celeras.4980:

Malediktus.9250:

of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.

8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.

what website are you using to check win rate or mmr this season?

He cant. You can only check lifetime winrate (so over 3 years in my case). MMR cannot be looked up at all.

Malediktus.9250:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Celeras.4980:

Malediktus.9250:

of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.

8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.

what website are you using to check win rate or mmr this season?

He cant. You can only check lifetime winrate (so over 3 years in my case). MMR cannot be looked up at all.

checking win/rate in a course of 3 years is dumb, because it includes loses while u were learning the class and also games where u are testing build and just messing around. if only theres a webiste who can calculate win/rate or mmr only during season.

Celeras.4980:

Your ranked winrate is 46% according to your API key, and you have a bazillion games. The matchup you posted is unfortunate, but I’d say you should be happy you made it as far as you did.

Based on the data id speculate that you got Legend in S1 based on volume, and are exactly the kind of player matchmaking was changed to combat.

where do u input the API key to check for the datas u got?
meanwhile u mind analysing my key?

5D308037-75B4-DB4D-8F48-2BBD09471AAB9438167E-409A-4F75-8A5F-1880886E1DED

I got to diamond t5 pure solo q then i lost all my pip now back between t2-3.

Most of my pip losses are because people play their profession wins but not being good or like you said some low rank dude (who isn’t a good player on a second account) is in a premade on my side.

Occasionally of course I lost because I screw up but that’s like 2 games out of every 100 where I know for a fact I let my team down by doing something wrong. Most of the time, it is just decided right out the door who gets the win.

@darres

you can check here https://gw2efficiency.com/account/statistics

Yes. Some people are supposed to get stuck in tiers. We’re not all pros, even if we want to think we are.

Dahkeus.8243:

Yes. Some people are supposed to get stuck in tiers. We’re not all pros, even if we want to think we are.

The way I see it you should have a 50/50 winrate if you are in the place you are supposed to be. I didnt have that back in emerald and I still dont have it in diamond, so the system is not working.

is this the website people use for win rate? what am i looking at im greater > 65.5? or 53.10? anyways like i said this website calculate all your games for the past 3 years.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

is this the website people use for win rate? what am i looking at im greater > 65.5? or 53.10? anyways like i said this website calculate all your games for the past 3 years.

It says you have a winrate of 53,10% which is better than 65,5% of the playerbase (of the gw2efficiency userbase)

Took a bit over 1h break in hope of improvements. Got the next blowout matchmaking. Two people on my team only had 10 points eg they capped or decapped something.

Malediktus I have quite some respect for you as a fellow AP hunter. But would it be too hard to admit that you might not be good enough to carry your way out of the soloQ?

There has been proof that there’s no MMR hell and such and that if you cant climb it cant be ALWAYS the fault of everyone else but you.

People who are not pro have made it solo to legend, you need the capacity of be realistic with your own games, how you play them and tryhard, be it by the fotm build/class/being able to class switch if needed. Yes, when you are solo and enemy has trio/4man or you have a trio/4man with you it may look like you have little control on the possible outcome of the game. You’ll lose some, you’ll win some, this is where you need to try hard at all time to be the determining factor and be the extra winning chance. Doing so will result in your win ratio being higher than what the matchmaking is trying to force on you (the 50% win chance matchup based on mmr or whatever this stuff is coded).

Try hard, look back on your own games, whether you lose them or win them, be realistic of what happens there, what you could have done. It’s hard for a human being, especially in a video game he’s dedicated to, to admit that you may not have been as good as you think you are in it, but once you can do that, you can work on improvements and get better. Which is somethign a lot of players on this subforum cant do.

The ride to legendary in soloQ can be made, without being a pro or “MMR gifted” :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Legendary-Division-186-Screenshots-SoloQ/first#post6048870

So dont give up, improvements can be made.

Sorry that thread proves nothing. Of course you can soloQ to legendary. You just are not allowed to get caught in MMR hell. If 80% of the games get lost with a large margin it cannot be the fault of a single person unless the person deliberatly tries to sabotage the game.

MMR hell is what people make up when they cant accept the fact that they are not good enough to climb.

There’s the exact same behavior from people in any game with a division/league system when people cannot/cant progress past their own skillcap. This is no coincidence. You try hard more, you win more.

And something has to be clear, if someone loses 80% of his games, he does NOT deserve to climb until he makes drastic changes in his playstyle/mindset/way to approach the game.

You made it to diamond, meaning you’ll make it to legend eventually since you just need 51% win rate to climb basically. The closer you are to this win rate and the slower it will be (captaine obvious there but well).

Losing cant always be the fault of the others.

elainom.2918:

MMR hell is what people make up when they cant accept the fact that they are not good enough to climb.

There’s the exact same behavior from people in any game with a division/league system when people cannot/cant progress past their own skillcap. This is no coincidence. You try hard more, you win more.

And something has to be clear, if someone loses 80% of his games, he does NOT deserve to climb until he makes drastic changes in his playstyle/mindset/way to approach the game.

You made it to diamond, meaning you’ll make it to legend eventually since you just need 51% win rate to climb basically. The closer you are to this win rate and the slower it will be (captaine obvious there but well).

Losing cant always be the fault of the others.

Absolute NONSENSE.

I scraped and clawed to ruby just a few minutes ago. I BATHED in the MMR hellfire at ALL the divisions. I’ve hit my so-called “ceiling” plenty of times. This leads me to believe that the key factor to my gameplay is the MATCHMAKING.

Look, I understand you guys. You guys that rode the mmr wave can’t admit that you’ve benefited from it personally, so you deny it. It’s a conflict of interest!

I am still trying to decipher what the numbers in the grid correspond to, it seems to be X% of players with Y hr playtime, have averages of Z% winrate? So the top 50% of players with 500-1000hr have a winrate of 49.17%?

elainom.2918:

There has been proof that there’s no MMR hell and such and that if you cant climb it cant be ALWAYS the fault of everyone else but you.

Wat? There’s been no proof whatsoever.

If you guys think you are so great, record 1 of your lost games and upload it to youtube. 100% people will find mistakes in your rotations, build or pretty much anything.

shrek.1046:

elainom.2918:

There has been proof that there’s no MMR hell and such and that if you cant climb it cant be ALWAYS the fault of everyone else but you.

Wat? There’s been no proof whatsoever.

People as random as you (like me or other dude in the topic i linked) made it to legendary. Some made screenshots of every match, some made a stream. I even provided a breakdown of how all my matches went against all the premades I faced. People who started with new account, no-heart of thorns, fresh accounts, non fresh-accounts. You do not need to be pro esl material or be mmr gifted to climb.

Not being able to accept some things is a sociology effect, it’s easier to blame outward (MMR, mates, devs) than inward (poor performance, mates. bad build, bad knowledge, bad rotations, bad vision, etc). That’s human nature to try to prevent losing face, be it in public or not, rather than admitting being wrong, move forward and progress.

Well that’s how official forums work usually, even in PvE content, people will complain not being able to do some things and blame outward (liadri, raids, hero points in hot). Human beings staying the same overall.

Petoox.6570:

If you guys think you are so great, record 1 of your lost games and upload it to youtube. 100% people will find mistakes in your rotations, build or pretty much anything.

Noone of the MMR hell people claim to be ESL material. But if games get lost by several 100 points all the time it cannot be the fault of 1 person unless that person is sabotaging the matches. And no I wont record any matches. Only have kitten on my gaming computer which would be full in 10min of recording.
If you want to proof your point and you are in my pip range (+-15), on EU and have deep understanding of pvp we can play a few rounds and you can tell me what exactly I did wrong to cause the game get lost by 100s of points. Your argument is only valid if you the game was lost by 100 or less points imho. Then sure there is probably something you could have done better to get those few extra points for your teams. But I want to see how you turn a 0-300 points loss into a win on your own unless you are an ESL player ranked way below you should be (eg like Leeto playing on smurf accounts).

Malediktus.9250:

Petoox.6570:

If you guys think you are so great, record 1 of your lost games and upload it to youtube. 100% people will find mistakes in your rotations, build or pretty much anything.

Noone of the MMR hell people claim to be ESL material. But if games get lost by several 100 points all the time it cannot be the fault of 1 person unless that person is sabotaging the matches. And no I wont record any matches. Only have kitten on my gaming computer which would be full in 10min of recording.
If you want to proof your point and you are in my pip range (+-15), on EU and have deep understanding of pvp we can play a few rounds and you can tell me what exactly I did wrong to cause the game get lost by 100s of points. Your argument is only valid if you the game was lost by 100 or less points imho. Then sure there is probably something you could have done better to get those few extra points for your teams. But I want to see how you turn a 0-300 points loss into a win on your own unless you are an ESL player ranked way below you should be (eg like Leeto playing on smurf accounts).

Are you back in Ruby div?

i am in diamond tier 1

Malediktus.9250:

After reaching 11 pips in diamond after hard work I got caught in a downward spiral and the following screen shows what happens to me more often than it should.

It happens, I was in t6 at one part of the day and t3 later after getting stuck with 3+ necros and other disappointing circumstances. Win streaks make it easy enough to recover progress though.

Radu.1693:

Malediktus.9250:

After reaching 11 pips in diamond after hard work I got caught in a downward spiral and the following screen shows what happens to me more often than it should.

It happens, I was in t6 at one part of the day and t3 later after getting stuck with 3+ necros and other disappointing circumstances. Win streaks make it easy enough to recover progress though.

that would be fine if you can get on a win streak bad if u cant – so not helpful!

I seriously wonder how can you get out of a big losing streak and get a winning streak again, that’s what happened to me since last day, I got a big loss streak out of nowhere in Ruby which never happened before and now I just lose over and over, which not only is frustrating but also make me lose hope…

I checked my win rate, and it got below 50%, it was 56% before when I was in Tier4, now I’m back at Tier1…

All I know is that diamond division feels like the same noob division as emerald or saphire. People do unneccessary stuff all the time like pushing far when the game is almost won, then even wipe there and we loose the other points in the process so the enemies make a comeback. It is really terrible. I would call it unplayable.

I often think about making premades (at least triQ) but that is very tedious since people join and leave all the time so you can never really work out a proper teamplay.

Malediktus.9250:

i am in diamond tier 1

Sounds like you should have capped out at Ruby, but made it just past to diamond after a spike in wins and are now facing teams above where you should be settled.

Which raises a good question that some people have touched on to some extend already:

Should you be allowed to drop from one tier to another in situations like this?

Or should we just accept that this will happen from time to time?

Alternatively, should people get matched against others of a lower tier if they hit a losing streak? My guess is that while this could resolve this issue, we’d also start seeing tons of “Why am I getting queued against so many people above my rank?!?!” type QQ.

Zietlogik.6208:

I am still trying to decipher what the numbers in the grid correspond to, it seems to be X% of players with Y hr playtime, have averages of Z% winrate? So the top 50% of players with 500-1000hr have a winrate of 49.17%?

Yes, exactly that.

Dahkeus.8243:

Malediktus.9250:

i am in diamond tier 1

Sounds like you should have capped out at Ruby, but made it just past to diamond after a spike in wins and are now facing teams above where you should be settled.

Which raises a good question that some people have touched on to some extend already:

Should you be allowed to drop from one tier to another in situations like this?

Or should we just accept that this will happen from time to time?

Alternatively, should people get matched against others of a lower tier if they hit a losing streak? My guess is that while this could resolve this issue, we’d also start seeing tons of “Why am I getting queued against so many people above my rank?!?!” type QQ.

I had the same issue in emerald, back then I had 95% loss rate until I teamed up with high MMR people, so 80% in diamond is already an improvement over emerald hell lol.

really enjoying matchmaking

elainom.2918:

shrek.1046:

elainom.2918:

There has been proof that there’s no MMR hell and such and that if you cant climb it cant be ALWAYS the fault of everyone else but you.

Wat? There’s been no proof whatsoever.

People as random as you (like me or other dude in the topic i linked) made it to legendary. Some made screenshots of every match, some made a stream. I even provided a breakdown of how all my matches went against all the premades I faced. People who started with new account, no-heart of thorns, fresh accounts, non fresh-accounts. You do not need to be pro esl material or be mmr gifted to climb.

Thats not actually proof.

MMRhell -> winstreak/grind let you climb higher than your ranking based on your skill should be and locks dont let you drop down.

This causes massive loss streaks that reduce your mmr into nothingness and after some games you get matched with the bottom team all the time, basically all players that dont belong there and just grind games… constantly facing higher mmr teams.

Could be solved by removing locks. This way players drop down to where they belong and get the chance for real improvement, instead of just fighting useless matches they learn nothing from.

Thats why “get good” answer is inherently flawed. Players in that situation cant improve enough to get out of it. How could they, getting steamrolled all the time.
And dont tell me unranked, because unranked doesnt punish positioning errors or missing map awareness enough. There is always a higher skilled player on team smoothing that out for lower skilled players.

MadVisions.4529:

The amont of totally, TOTALLY shet diamond and legend players whom i am forced to play with is shocking me.

You’re not alone there. I’m seeing the worst in diamond too so far, they don’t know even the basics.

If I dont get legendary on my own by end of next week I will just pay some high MMR pvpers to carry me to legendary, better than missing the 1 AP.

Message Body length must at least be 15.

That will be some well deserved 1 AP and title there! A real show of prowess. Man after you spent more than 11k hours into this game that’s a shame and you are officially ridiculous whether you make it or not on your own.

Honestly, I’m fed up of getting teamed with utter kittens 9 games out of 10. The last one was borderline hilarious and depressing. This is what you get at tier 1 in diamond if your MMR is just a little bit kittened up.

2 of my latest 4 wins were like 500-42 and 610-120. Matchmaking is broken af in diamond and probably other areas too. There’s just way too many players with incorrect MMR in the wrong divisions, even in diamond I’ve seen signet of malice pistol whip thieves, p/p engies and other stupid stuff, they shouldn’t be in diamond at all.

All the screenshots with the teams getting stomped on show, ambers, emeralds, and sapphires. So the teams with full diamonds are stomping those lower tier members pretty easily, and rightly so. If you look too, some of those amber/emerald/sapphire players had grouped. The MMR matchs you against teams with the highest tier, not the lowest. These screenies don’t really prove a thing except for people to stop teaming up with lower tier people, and expecting to do good.

Crimson Shi.5047:

All the screenshots with the teams getting stomped on show, ambers, emeralds, and sapphires. So the teams with full diamonds are stomping those lower tier members pretty easily, and rightly so. If you look too, some of those amber/emerald/sapphire players had grouped. The MMR matchs you against teams with the highest tier, not the lowest. These screenies don’t really prove a thing except for people to stop teaming up with lower tier people, and expecting to do good.

I don’t give a kitten if they team with lower divisions players.

What I’m tired sick of is getting teamed always with this kind of trash and losing game after game just because of that.

elainom.2918:

That will be some well deserved 1 AP and title there! A real show of prowess. Man after you spent more than 11k hours into this game that’s a shame and you are officially ridiculous whether you make it or not on your own.

I prefer being ridicilous than loosing my sanity over this stupid matchmaking.
Other people buy their raid boss kills, so what is the problem if I am going to buy pvp divisions lol.

I am currently so annoyed of pvp so I have to let some of my feelings out. I know I am not one of the best pvp players out there and there are many many better than I am.
But my matches often are total garbage and waste of time. I am stuck pretty much in diamond tier 2.

Yesterday had match in temple. At the start one went to cap our close, naturally. But rest of my team were chasing random enemy necro at the spot where stillness spawns. Not even trying to get single point. Running all around map like they had not even clue what they should do. I could with one another player hold middle neutral pretty much whole match against 3-4 opponents, so our other team mates could easily outnumber opponents elsewhere and cap 2 other points. But they couldn’t do it.

Today 2 matches in row I got same necro in my team. In both matches he didn’t even try. All of his playtime he was bragging about how he is the best player and everyone else is bad. He just stood there typing instead of trying to do something useful for team. I reported him, because he is obviously just ruining the games on purpose. It has been now many hours and he is still playing, guess report does nothing. Thanks to that guy I lost 2 pips.

I soloqued today and get put into 4 man guild team. Some diamond player thought it would be nice to play with his friends(and I can’t judge him for that), but his friends were still in amber division, and clearly not experienced at all in pvp. We lost the game by huge point difference. I can’t see how it is fair in any way I was put in same team with them. Opponent team had all ruby/diamonds.
Had a few other matches too where I am put into someones guild team. And those guild teams were bad. Maybe just some people who wanted to have fun with their friends, but it was not very fun for me.

In another match my team mates started arguing about builds of each other. All their attention went to arguing instead of playing. Lost this game too, and pips. I didn’t take part of their arguing.

And I feel players are now more toxic than before. I can understand people get upset when they lose pips, but such toxic environment pretty much ruins my mood to even play pvp.

Had also another bad match (our team got around 50points), the other team just was better than we were (and they also were 3man premade and organized). Then after match one of them starts spamming /dance to annoy us even more of our loss, which I also find toxic behavior. In other pvp games I have played people do that kind of things too just to annoy others.

I don’t mind losing if the match was good and fair. And dealing with all these toxic players seems to make me little toxic too, and I hate it.

I know I do a lot of mistakes and I am nowhere near perfect, but it just makes me sad to see people doing even worse mistakes than me, which has too often resulted to loss. Of course some losses may be my fault too.

That is my experience in diamond division.
Had also such nice loss streak so that might have lowered my mmr, which could explain I get this kind of matches. Though I have now gotten a few win streaks too.

I add toxic/afkers/troll players to block list and wait for their match to start so I can queue and not get into same team with them again. It requires lots of effort, especially now when my blocklist has grown alot in this season…

Sorry for long rant. I just wish there was pure soloque. If I que solo I don’t want to get matched against organized premade team, or have any guild in my team. Just solo players, or at max duo players.

Anet sucks. That’s what everybody should say loud and force them to sell game to different producer or to improve the pvp, they had chance to improve pvp matchmaking and they failed so one option left – SELL GAME TO DIFFERENT PRODUCER who will improve this game, not destroy -.-

Malediktus.9250:

If I dont get legendary on my own by end of next week I will just pay some high MMR pvpers to carry me to legendary, better than missing the 1 AP.

That mad me laugh when I saw your signature just after reading this.