Guild Wars 2

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Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Obindo.6802:

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Obindo.6802:

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Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Thanks!

How much does this sell for on Trading Post??

Can i get a Gift of Fortune instead??

R O C.6574:

Obindo.6802:

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Obindo.6802:

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Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Thanks!

How much does this sell for on Trading Post??

Can i get a Gift of Fortune instead??

I think you can buy some rationality with it.

R O C.6574:

Solstace.2514:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ve been talking about personal score a bit. I’m personally of the opinion that it isn’t representative of a player’s effort in a given match, and it also can be incredibly misleading and potentially lead to bad gameplay habits (5-capping home).

If you were to redesign personal score, what would you do? Does it track different types of stats? Would you want your personal stats displayed to other players?

Hard to say. I frequently will sit and defend a point during s match. Often times a thief or other mobile class will come and try to recap. I successfully defend point and prevent recap but they run off before I can down them. So essentially you get no credit for helping your team win match.

Sounds like ele in S3. I think defending capped points should be an add for sure. How are the points awarded for Object Defender currently?

I think if you own a point and kill an enemy player in close proximity it awards you points for kill and defending point. Not positive.

Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Thanks!

How much does this sell for on Trading Post??

Can i get a Gift of Fortune instead??

I think you can buy some rationality with it.

LOL

Infracted again.

Seriously, for the last time: I started this thread because I wanted to share my thought on personal score. Which is that a high personal score does not equal good play. Your first response indicated that you misunderstood what I was trying to say and was also insulting my understanding of PVP. When I tried to clarify, you got hung up on my joke about your spelling and completely disregarded my attempt to explain the post. Your responses since have been nothing but trolling and you haven’t made the slightest effort to add any value to the actual topic. I continue to respond to you out of amused boredom, but I’ve already gotten 2 infraction points so I won’t be able to tell you how i actually feel. Too bad Anet wants a PG-13 forum…

R O C.6574:

I would think that if the scoring is accurate it should follow that some sort of ladder reward would be warranted.

Sure, but I think you should take as a given that personal score will not be accurate, so you should just stop there – there’s no reason to tie personal score to anything in the outcome of the match, most of all rating or pips.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Ironically, if they would somehow find a way to accurately measure your impact on any given victory or defeat (personal score done right in an utopian world) it would be FAR superior to glicko alone since winning or loosing in itself say very little about what you are worth in a game along 9 other players.

Yeah, and because match outcome is such a noisy measure of performance it wouldn’t even need to be that precise, just better than aggregate match outcomes.

It’s a really really hard problem though. Even with an opaque model (so that players can’t see and game it) this is beyond what any competitive game has achieved so far; a transparent model, that players try and game, would be even harder. The advantage of Glicko is that it’s simple and you can’t game it; once you start throwing other variables in, incentives start to change and it can go downhill really quickly. There’s a lot of room to do real harm to the game by doing it badly (and it’s really easy to do it badly), and the upside of doing it well…no one has done it well.

Ensign.2189:

R O C.6574:

I would think that if the scoring is accurate it should follow that some sort of ladder reward would be warranted.

Sure, but I think you should take as a given that personal score will not be accurate, so you should just stop there – there’s no reason to tie personal score to anything in the outcome of the match, most of all rating or pips.

I assume you mean there are too many un-quantifiable contributions to calculate an accurate personal score. Such as?

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Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Thanks!

How much does this sell for on Trading Post??

Can i get a Gift of Fortune instead??

I think you can buy some rationality with it.

LOL

Infracted again.

Seriously, for the last time: I started this thread because I wanted to share my thought on personal score. Which is that a high personal score does not equal good play. Your first response indicated that you misunderstood what I was trying to say and was also insulting my understanding of PVP. When I tried to clarify, you got hung up on my joke about your spelling and completely disregarded my attempt to explain the post. Your responses since have been nothing but trolling and you haven’t made the slightest effort to add any value to the actual topic. I continue to respond to you out of amused boredom, but I’ve already gotten 2 infraction points so I won’t be able to tell you how i actually feel. Too bad Anet wants a PG-13 forum…

Please re-read everything again for you must’ve either missed everything, just intentionally disregard everything to convince yourself of a feigned situation that caters to your “pride” or to just make you feel better and get attention you didn’t get elsewhere.

I’m trolling because I do not cater to you and your pride? Right? That’s how it works aye? Once again:
“Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.”
Yet you bring up the same thing that’s been adressed over and over, seeking conflict

Feel free to rage in in-game mail then, but don’t be upset when I don’t care

R O C.6574:

I assume you mean there are too many un-quantifiable contributions to calculate an accurate personal score. Such as?

Even quantifying what you’d think is easy to quantify, properly, is hard.

Two players finish off an opponent on an otherwise empty cap, leaving two players on a neutral point. Who stays and who leaves? How do you score that effectively and automatically? How do you set the contribution to not have perverse incentives?

I think to solve personal score each player must choose a role before matchmaking
Than the system does its match by it so you sont see 5 bunkers in same team
And than you can connect between personal score to your role
For example
Thief should be offense so his personal score will come from killing decap or cap
Ele shoukd be support thus more healing ressing etc
Guard can be defense thus more defend a point

But if thief has high score on support something went worng

Put an icone next to each player so the team can know each role

Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Thanks!

How much does this sell for on Trading Post??

Can i get a Gift of Fortune instead??

I think you can buy some rationality with it.

LOL

Infracted again.

Seriously, for the last time: I started this thread because I wanted to share my thought on personal score. Which is that a high personal score does not equal good play. Your first response indicated that you misunderstood what I was trying to say and was also insulting my understanding of PVP. When I tried to clarify, you got hung up on my joke about your spelling and completely disregarded my attempt to explain the post. Your responses since have been nothing but trolling and you haven’t made the slightest effort to add any value to the actual topic. I continue to respond to you out of amused boredom, but I’ve already gotten 2 infraction points so I won’t be able to tell you how i actually feel. Too bad Anet wants a PG-13 forum…

Please re-read everything again for you must’ve either missed everything, just intentionally disregard everything to convince yourself of a feigned situation that caters to your “pride” or to just make you feel better and get attention you didn’t get elsewhere.

I’m trolling because I do not cater to you and your pride? Right? That’s how it works aye? Once again:
“Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.”
Yet you bring up the same thing that’s been adressed over and over, seeking conflict

Feel free to rage in in-game mail then, but don’t be upset when I don’t care

So you don’t see how your original post in this thread was insulting my knowledge of PVP? And you don’t see that you misunderstood what i said?

“My Favorite Thing – When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD”

Do you really not see what i’m trying to say? Like i said, your reading comprehension needs work and that’s no “ad hominem.”

The devs turned this into a “what could we do to make it better” thread. And i think there’s been some good discussion. My original thought was simply stating that sometimes i win matches where the other team has a much higher personal score and that’s my favorite thing…

GG

Ensign.2189:

R O C.6574:

I assume you mean there are too many un-quantifiable contributions to calculate an accurate personal score. Such as?

Even quantifying what you’d think is easy to quantify, properly, is hard.

Two players finish off an opponent on an otherwise empty cap, leaving two players on a neutral point. Who stays and who leaves? How do you score that effectively and automatically? How do you set the contribution to not have perverse incentives?

I see where you are going and you have a good point. Obviously the person who stays to cap should get the points, but if there are pips at stake, they might both stay and split the points, which in turn would encourage bad play…

Maybe a team MVP is the way to go…

It would be nice to have some sort of reward for individual play, i think it would definitely help with AFKer’s

MVP voting for anything besides amusement is a bad idea.

• Exploitable by queuing with friends
• There is not enough awareness among most to know which point to rotate to let alone give an accurate assessment of who on the teams was making the best decisions.

R O C.6574:

Ensign.2189:

R O C.6574:

I assume you mean there are too many un-quantifiable contributions to calculate an accurate personal score. Such as?

Even quantifying what you’d think is easy to quantify, properly, is hard.

Two players finish off an opponent on an otherwise empty cap, leaving two players on a neutral point. Who stays and who leaves? How do you score that effectively and automatically? How do you set the contribution to not have perverse incentives?

I see where you are going and you have a good point. Obviously the person who stays to cap should get the points, but if there are pips at stake, they might both stay and split the points, which in turn would encourage bad play…

Maybe a team MVP is the way to go…

It would be nice to have some sort of reward for individual play, i think it would definitely help with AFKer’s

How could you score a carry in a match? If they could award pips for carrying a match, that would solve a LOT of problems in ranked pvp right now…

R O C.6574:

Maybe a team MVP is the way to go…

It would be nice to have some sort of reward for individual play, i think it would definitely help with AFKer’s

I like MVP (or honor systems more generally) a lot. I think they encourage good gameplay and good behavior, making for a more enjoyable game in general. Working on that would be a pretty big deal.

When it comes to the personal score, I’d like to see it expanded somewhat – add a small trickle of points for contesting a neutral point or defending a friendly one every tick (presuming an opponent is also on point, of course) would make personal score more representative of the most important things you can do. However it still should have nothing to do with pips or MMR – adding any sort of link like that is virtually guaranteed to create perverse incentives and cause more problems than it solves.

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Obindo.6802:

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peeterske.9134:

Obindo.6802:

This is why I avoid forums, mainly imbeciles

I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information. so no, not mainly imbeciles here.

Hence the implication in question

What does that even mean?

Omgz! You’re such a bad reader! LOLOL ECKS DEE

Whatever dude. You haven’t contributed anything to this thread except troll humor, and even that is a little lacking. Did you care to give your opinion on the actual subject or do you just keep coming back to check your troll bait? You know which one

As far as your duel, the timing is pretty suspicious when the other guy got kicked. Is that how you keep your winning record?

What subject? What winning record? I still wonder how I can bann someone when I don’t own the server

I don’t know if you banned him or not. It very well could have been one of your guildies. I don’t care. It’s just funny.

We already know your reading comprehension is less than adequate so it’s no surprise that you don’t know what the subject of this thread is.

My reading comprehension is more than adequate and I already answered to the only subject you “presented”. If you refer to something else that others came up throughout the thread I did not read it for I had no reason to.

Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.

…Yawn…

Sure bro… Sure…

Keep coming back for that tasty troll bait.

throws bag of attention

Thanks!

How much does this sell for on Trading Post??

Can i get a Gift of Fortune instead??

I think you can buy some rationality with it.

LOL

Infracted again.

Seriously, for the last time: I started this thread because I wanted to share my thought on personal score. Which is that a high personal score does not equal good play. Your first response indicated that you misunderstood what I was trying to say and was also insulting my understanding of PVP. When I tried to clarify, you got hung up on my joke about your spelling and completely disregarded my attempt to explain the post. Your responses since have been nothing but trolling and you haven’t made the slightest effort to add any value to the actual topic. I continue to respond to you out of amused boredom, but I’ve already gotten 2 infraction points so I won’t be able to tell you how i actually feel. Too bad Anet wants a PG-13 forum…

Please re-read everything again for you must’ve either missed everything, just intentionally disregard everything to convince yourself of a feigned situation that caters to your “pride” or to just make you feel better and get attention you didn’t get elsewhere.

I’m trolling because I do not cater to you and your pride? Right? That’s how it works aye? Once again:
“Also to say “whatever” and “you troll” is merely a last resort to disparage by indignify what I say during inability to confront. I don’t want to continue repeating myself responding to feigned statements and idiotic ad hominems like that ‘I don’t know how to spell’ cuz I said ‘donno’. But if it makes you feel better or gives you attention you never got elsewhere then go for it.”
Yet you bring up the same thing that’s been adressed over and over, seeking conflict

Feel free to rage in in-game mail then, but don’t be upset when I don’t care

So you don’t see how your original post in this thread was insulting my knowledge of PVP? And you don’t see that you misunderstood what i said?

“My Favorite Thing – When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD”

Do you really not see what i’m trying to say? Like i said, your reading comprehension needs work and that’s no “ad hominem.”

The devs turned this into a “what could we do to make it better” thread. And i think there’s been some good discussion. My original thought was simply stating that sometimes i win matches where the other team has a much higher personal score and that’s my favorite thing…

GG

Guess I’ll also have to repeat myself as well…
“As peeterske said: “I mean a forum is supposed to be used to talk about stuff and give advice and get advice and stuff like that. share information.”
It’s not my problem if I take into account place and audience and you don’t, nor will I cater to your feigned pride.”

It’s funny how you remark on how I “insult you” when I said that “then (as in ‘if that’s so’) you don’t know how pvp works” While you yourself spew personal attacks saying I can’t read, don’t know how to spell and have issues and that I should seek a psychiatrist. All of which are feigned and with a malicious intent. Sound like top hypocrisy.

How would MVP work within the contest of a pre-made team? In my experience with other games, the MVP system (because it is a vote) can get out of control. Popular players automatically get the nod rather than it going to the person who actually contributed the most. Great idea, I would just be curious how to fully implement that.

Personal Scoring needs to go though. It serves no useful purpose. People get hung up on the numbers and when you are new it really seems like it has a bearing on the match totals up top. Much like with WvW, map awareness, reporting enemy movements, defending, all of those aspects aren’t accurately reflected. Communication can win maps. I’ve also had completely silent groups that rotated like a boss because everyone knew what to do. The blowout matches usually result in a number of people having a low score simply due to not needing to really do much.

This also doesn’t count afk folks which create unbalanced teams. I would like some specific map based achievements too, though that kind of aspect can fling the system too far in the direction of PVE elements.

Araphelbliss.4016:

How would MVP work within the contest of a pre-made team? In my experience with other games, the MVP system (because it is a vote) can get out of control. Popular players automatically get the nod rather than it going to the person who actually contributed the most. Great idea, I would just be curious how to fully implement that.

This is a good point, for sure in a solo duo queue scenario can be less driven and probably popular players can have some advantages but i don’t see many issues with that (besides the fact you can introduce some rules like can’t vote for a your friend grouped with you or you can vote only opponent players etc. )

The idea of a MVP system is more like a “symbolic reward” to underline good performances, instead of a simple score system which basically can give really bad indications about players performances.

Players should vote honestly who they think is the best player who contributes in a really good way to win or an opponent player who tried everything to not lose.

Like a said is possible to put some mmr bonus modification but it should be always a a really small bonus to focus always on wins or losses.

But in general I think it could be a really nice system to identify in additional way the player skill.

And it’s a funny concept, people like to vote, can be really engaging, and for example it could be a way to fill the extra time at the end of the game.

Phil.8901:

Araphelbliss.4016:

How would MVP work within the contest of a pre-made team? In my experience with other games, the MVP system (because it is a vote) can get out of control. Popular players automatically get the nod rather than it going to the person who actually contributed the most. Great idea, I would just be curious how to fully implement that.

This is a good point, for sure in a solo duo queue scenario can be less driven and probably popular players can have some advantages but i don’t see many issues with that (besides the fact you can introduce some rules like can’t vote for a your friend grouped with you or you can vote only opponent players etc. )

The idea of a MVP system is more like a “symbolic reward” to underline good performances, instead of a simple score system which basically can give really bad indications about players performances.

Players should vote honestly who they think is the best player who contributes in a really good way to win or an opponent player who tried everything to not lose.

Like a said is possible to put some mmr bonus modification but it should be always a a really small bonus to focus always on wins or losses.

But in general I think it could be a really nice system to identify in additional way the player skill.

And it’s a funny concept, people like vote, can be really engaging.

It would be meaningless. The average player doesn’t have the awareness to know what their optimal play is let alone knowing what the other 4people on their team should be doing. I’ve seen people go off on a bunker that kept 2 people at far the majority of the match, didn’t die and kept the node neutral the majority of the fight. They thought he was hurting the team because he want at mid or home.

Yeah MVP is a bad idea, I’ve seen people rage at Toker for holding 1v2 at far and carrying the team saying he should stop going far and hold home/mid. I’m like bro do you even know who Toker is sigh.

#feelsbadman

Faux Play.

It would be meaningless. The average player doesn’t have the awareness to know what their optimal play is let alone knowing what the other 4people on their team should be doing. I’ve seen people go off on a bunker that kept 2 people at far the majority of the match, didn’t die and kept the node neutral the majority of the fight. They thought he was hurting the team because he want at mid or home.

And how do you translate in numbers to promote with a score system the bunker at far who holds 2 people + far neutral?

Simply can’t, that’s because an MVP system can help people to learn good behaviours, ofc at higher levels where people has more experience is more effective

But it can create curiosity at all levels, and force People to ask to themselves why a player was voted like MVP.

I’m not saying is always a perfect system but is really really better than what we have now and really more engaging.

Phil.8901:

Faux Play.

It would be meaningless. The average player doesn’t have the awareness to know what their optimal play is let alone knowing what the other 4people on their team should be doing. I’ve seen people go off on a bunker that kept 2 people at far the majority of the match, didn’t die and kept the node neutral the majority of the fight. They thought he was hurting the team because he want at mid or home.

And how do you translate in numbers to promote with a score system the bunker at far who holds 2 people + far neutral?

Simply can’t, that’s because an MVP system can help people to learn good behaviours, ofc at higher levels where people has more experience is more effective

But it can create curiosity at all levels, and force People to ask to themselves why a player was voted like MVP.

I’m not saying is always a perfect system but is really really better than what we have now and really more engaging.

The system I proposed would have rewarded that player. To me the scoring should closely reflect how points are gained as well as lost in the game. With out accounting for someone’s bad plays along with their positive plays you won’t have a score that is reprehensive of their contribution to the team. MVP might work at pro league level play, but the vast majority of the people would just be voting for friends or the person with the most creative name.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/My-favorite-thing/6306600

Faux Play.6104:

Phil.8901:

Faux Play.

It would be meaningless. The average player doesn’t have the awareness to know what their optimal play is let alone knowing what the other 4people on their team should be doing. I’ve seen people go off on a bunker that kept 2 people at far the majority of the match, didn’t die and kept the node neutral the majority of the fight. They thought he was hurting the team because he want at mid or home.

And how do you translate in numbers to promote with a score system the bunker at far who holds 2 people + far neutral?

Simply can’t, that’s because an MVP system can help people to learn good behaviours, ofc at higher levels where people has more experience is more effective

But it can create curiosity at all levels, and force People to ask to themselves why a player was voted like MVP.

I’m not saying is always a perfect system but is really really better than what we have now and really more engaging.

The system I proposed would have rewarded that player. To me the scoring should closely reflect how points are gained as well as lost in the game. With out accounting for someone’s bad plays along with their positive plays you won’t have a score that is reprehensive of their contribution to the team. MVP might work at pro league level play, but the vast majority of the people would just be voting for friends or the person with the most creative name.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/My-favorite-thing/6306600

Dunno, it seems too much complicated and there are situations really important where the score is not capable to underline well the performance.

BTW in general an MVP system + a score rework can coexist without any issue.

The most basics things is score need to related to all “contribution” to a win.

This means supports, holding points score is underrated right now.

R O C.6574:

When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD

Here’s a match i had the other day. Perfect example:

R O C.6574:

R O C.6574:

When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD

Here’s a match i had the other day. Perfect example:

Well, yes, it’s pretty evident they zerged the entire game creating too much overnumbered fights (like 3 vs 1) or zerging people far from nodes.

They rotated in a terrible way to lose a game like this.

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ve been talking…

It’d be nice to see some kind of rally mechanic to save complete blowouts. None of us enjoy being on the wrong end of a severe annihilation, or a horrible mutilation, but all of us have experienced these things at times. Catastrophic PvP rolls are depressing and they invoke various behaviors in individual gamers, most of which are not great for the overall experience of anyone.

I hate to reference Overwatch here, but respectfully the absolute most rewarding PvP matches I’ve played are specific to that platform; where a badly smashed up team recovers moral and pulls off victory or comes so close that it feels like a victory. It takes not much, sometimes just a well timed comment to direct otherwise hopeless combatants into more productive and positive behavior.

What options are there for a novel rally mechanic which provides an alternate course for an otherwise completely outmatched team composition? I feel this would not only mitigate a lot of needless knee-jerk toxicity but also very much smooth out and trend upward the overall experience without having to jump neck deep into matchmaking mechanics and such things.

I feel suitably rewarded when I engage in PvP across the board, this mission has been accomplished in all venues. I want more regularly to smile and have fun with others during my various playtimes, which I work hard for.

Phil.8901:

R O C.6574:

R O C.6574:

When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD

Here’s a match i had the other day. Perfect example:

Well, yes, it’s pretty evident they zerged the entire game creating too much overnumbered fights (like 3 vs 1) or zerging people far from nodes.

They rotated in a terrible way to lose a game like this.

It would be nice to see game stats for all players, it might tell more of the story. We definitely out-rotated them, but is there a way to score that?

Antigravity, the problem with a rally mechanic is that it gives a team that deserves to lose the game a fighting shot. Either that fighting shot gives them a higher chance to win (not fair), or that fighting shot prolongs a bad game but leads to the same outcome (the worse team loses, the better team wins)

Instead, it’d be nice to have an acceleration mechanic. No one minded horrible stomps so much in GW1 (GvG, or even TA) because they didn’t take very long. In GW2, it takes ~30s for match ready + match selection, plus ~1:30 waiting for the game to start, plus ~6-7 minutes for the game to end despite it being a complete and total joke. That 8-9 minutes, plus queue time, wasted. That sucks. If it was a lot shorter, it’d be better.

Of course, I have no idea how to implement an acceleration mechanic to conquest. It probably can’t be done.

R O C.6574:

Phil.8901:

R O C.6574:

R O C.6574:

When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD

Here’s a match i had the other day. Perfect example:

Well, yes, it’s pretty evident they zerged the entire game creating too much overnumbered fights (like 3 vs 1) or zerging people far from nodes.

They rotated in a terrible way to lose a game like this.

It would be nice to see game stats for all players, it might tell more of the story. We definitely out-rotated them, but is there a way to score that?

Actually, governing how a team was out-rotated is possible by measuring respawn times, as well as, how many players are on the map alive.

• Say a player gets stomped out and will respawn in 15s.
• Game realizes blue team now has 4 men on the field.
• Player respawn – the game calculates approximately 12-15s until he engages a node or player.
• If another player in that time frame gets stomped out, the game realizes that team is out-rotated.

That’s a rough example of how the game, through the ussage of stomp times, (essentially determining where players are on map) could see how bad a team is out-rotated.

Even if Anet can determine which team was overall more out-rotated than another, how do we make use of the data?

You can out rotate an enemy team without losing players on map, for example with a good strategy with portal mesmer.

At the end of the game you have more decapped nodes on your side stats, but it is not only that, this is why is not really easy translate in simple numbers many gw2 strategy/ actions.

Phil.8901:

R O C.6574:

R O C.6574:

When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD

Here’s a match i had the other day. Perfect example:

Well, yes, it’s pretty evident they zerged the entire game creating too much overnumbered fights (like 3 vs 1) or zerging people far from nodes.

They rotated in a terrible way to lose a game like this.

Splitting points for kills and caps might bring the personal score back in line. In this match, their zerg was awarding kill points to 4 or 5 players for each kill.

We really weren’t decapping that much, we just fought on point and they would end up getting 3 kills on a point they never decapped. If we had gotten point ticks for fighting on capped points that would also help with bringing the personal score in line.

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ve been talking about personal score a bit. I’m personally of the opinion that it isn’t representative of a player’s effort in a given match, and it also can be incredibly misleading and potentially lead to bad gameplay habits (5-capping home).

If you were to redesign personal score, what would you do? Does it track different types of stats? Would you want your personal stats displayed to other players?

Ive moved over to Overwatch, tho only casually no fixed stuff yet.

I really like the hidden stats.
It pushes the “WIN / objective is what matters, NOT your k/d” message very clear, even to the simplest tunnelvisioned casuals.

Hiding the useless score thing is the only smart move. You can leave the tie-breaker function of it, as it rewards the offense vs just barelly hanging on, and its 0.0001% rare.

I’ve seen that happen a lot on Zerg teams. They rack up kills but never hold more than 1 or.