Guild Wars 2

So I’ve been taking a look at some Necro utilities lately, one of them being Corrupt Boon and I have to say, this skill is quite OP.

To put it into a bit of context, using corrupt boon on a Guardian that uses “Save Yourselves” is like the GW1 Necro being able to strip all enchantments from a healer Dervish… with no cast time… and is unblockable…

That’s like insta-shutdown and I would like to believe that those types of insta shutdowns are saved for Elite skills rather than utilities.

Now I’m not trying to shaft the Necros in any way, I know that they need help with their damage and all that but, Corrupt Boon is just way too powerful for how little it costs.

I think it should be brought down to 5 boons converted because, at most, people are only rocking 5 boons anyway and even if they are packing more than 5, you can be rest-assured that those boons won’t last long.

Anyway, that is my two pennies and a stopwatch. Please feel free to add yours.

This is the first time in 9 months I’ve seen anything pertaining to Necromancer and the term OP share the same sentence.

I’m taking a screenshot.

But seriously?
We have a skill that’s a hard counter to one of your skills.

So what?
Have you seen what Mesmer’s Moa does to whole builds of Necromancers?

Or they could just make “save yourselves” to only give 5 boons. Yeah I like that idea better.

Kiriakulos.1690:

So what?
Have you seen what Mesmer’s Moa does to whole builds of Necromancers?

/Guardians.

Kiriakulos.1690:

This is the first time in 9 months I’ve seen anything pertaining to Necromancer and the term OP share the same sentence.

I’m taking a screenshot.

But seriously?
We have a skill that’s a hard counter to one of your skills.

So what?
Have you seen what Mesmer’s Moa does to whole builds of Necromancers?

I play Engineer mostly and Corrupt Boon doesn’t really do much to me because I don’t run a boon based build. But looking at the skill in context, I don’t know how I didn’t see it as OP before. It just feels too powerful.

Also Moa is an elite. Context, we have it.

Dirame.8521:

So I’ve been taking a look at some Necro utilities lately, one of them being Corrupt Boon and I have to say, this skill is quite OP.

To put it into a bit of context, using corrupt boon on a Guardian that uses “Save Yourselves” is like the GW1 Necro being able to strip all enchantments from a healer Dervish… with no cast time… and is unblockable…

That’s like insta-shutdown and I would like to believe that those types of insta shutdowns are saved for Elite skills rather than utilities.

Now I’m not trying to shaft the Necros in any way, I know that they need help with their damage and all that but, Corrupt Boon is just way too powerful for how little it costs.

I think it should be brought down to 5 boons converted because, at most, people are only rocking 5 boons anyway and even if they are packing more than 5, you can be rest-assured that those boons won’t last long.

Anyway, that is my two pennies and a stopwatch. Please feel free to add yours.

Would you please kindly consider creating a necro and maining him for a few months?

i do not know what to say

I … feel… pretty

G: Save Yourselves!
N: Well of Corruption!
G: Contemplation of Purity! You mad brah!?

This has to be a troll thread. I don’t think I have ever seen anyone call necromancers OP. I’m just… wow. I’m speechless.

Corrupt boon is a single target skill that has a 40s CD and poisons the user on use. In context, it does seem very strong, but understand that it is clutch. It still can be dodged, needs a target and does not work on invulnerable targets.

While it does seem a little harsh for those who have access to large amount of boons at short periods, the class in itself is made by its class philosophy to be able to impair you and make it hard to get away. While the 2nd part is not followed so much, this skill does fufill the design philosophy of the class. Keep in mind that this poison they apply to themselves is the cost for such a skill and nerfs a whole trait line of theirs (blood magic) until removed. Also, many classes in the game do not have a hard time reapplying boons after such a period. For Elementalist, simply attunement dancing after the fact and cleansing the conditions is a good counter for it.

while it is tough to deal with, understand that boon removal isn’t exclusive to necromancer. Mesmer also has boon removal on the last part of their chain auto attack for sword. They can also trait their shatters to remove boons (which they can further trait to make shatters work on themselves) This removal applies to their sword mainhand clones they spawn also.

is this real life

just assuming this isn’t a troll…

While it’s a strong ability sure, it’s also a counterplay ability with a big limitation on when it’s useful. You highlighted probably the strongest situation for the ability in the entire game, and even in this scenario the guardian could (and should) refrain from using SYS around the necro

Brigg.6189:

just assuming this isn’t a troll…

While it’s a strong ability sure, it’s also a counterplay ability with a big limitation on when it’s useful. You highlighted probably the strongest situation for the ability in the entire game, and even in this scenario the guardian could (and should) refrain from using SYS around the necro

Or the guardian could just use contemplation of purity and convert everything back into boons.

No cast time, so it can’t be dodged unless you use it while they’re already mid evade… The poison to themselves is indeed a cost, but a rather light one seeing as necros easily remove conditions for extra healing or to send them away.

In context of the skill itself and nothing else, it’s fairly strong, but so are skills like save yourselves and contemplation of purity (nearly the opposite skill), so it’s fairly balanced compared to those because defensive skills are always worse than their offensive counterparts in this game.
In context of the class as a whole though, it doesn’t seem too OP. Because the skill isn’t grossly OP, it doesn’t have enough other strong skills or mechanics to work together with to make it a huge problem to pvp balance. You have to look at a skill in regards to the profession, rather than just on its own. Besides, it’s abilities like this that give necro a decent niche in pvp.
For the record, I main an ele, so I’m not a mostly immune boonless class :p Spammable boon thievery like larcenous strike seems more dangerous feeling to me.

This thread is about Corrupt Boon being potentially OP. This is not about the Necro class being OP, and people trying to turn this into that might as well not post. He never calls the class OP and in fact says that they need help. One aspect of a class can be OP even if the class as a whole is completely dog.

I don’t see anything wrong with it. They do corrupt boon, you do elixir c or its equivalent. There is a balance to it.

One of the most ridiculous OPs I’ve ever read, congratulations, you deserve a prize.

“I run a build that is very strong but has one very specific weakness, please nerf that weakness so that I haz teh ultimert berd”

Boon stacking is the basis for some of (if not the) most powerful builds in the game. It is too strong as is and needs a counter. This is one. Necromancer is a weak class that would probably be utterly dead without Corrupt Boon and Epidemic.

I don’t see the skill as OP in any way. It’s not an “iWin” button, and it’s very situational.

If a Guardian is spam-applying boons to himself, then yes, being able to reverse all of those into conditions is a good play and takes timing and attention to enemy boons.

One time in a reasonable fight are you able to negate one opponents buffs and try to turn the fight in your favor. Normally, it’s only used to flip a couple of crucial boons over into conditions. This also only works on professions that stack boons and is only super effective on Guardian because of SY.

Aside from Guardians, it’s not going to wreck anyone normally. It can debilitate and give an advantage, but so do a lot of other skills.

Dirame.8521:

I think it should be brought down to 5 boons converted because, at most, people are only rocking 5 boons anyway and even if they are packing more than 5, you can be rest-assured that those boons won’t last long.

This is quite an interesting argument. You first stated that it is OP to be able to convert every boon in the game into a condition, and propose a nerf to only convert 5 boons. To support this proposal, you state that most people will only have 5 boons implying it will still convert every boon into a condition on most players (unless they are of course a Guardian using “Save Yourselves!”, aka You). It’s also interesting to note that you find an ability that can potentially cast every condition to be OP, but you think an ability that always casts every boon to be fine. You also seem to think Contemplation of Purity is fine despite it being the exact opposite of Corrupt Boon. Very, very interesting.

Have u seen an S D thief that can steal all your boons on no cool down? Now that’s OP

fakeblood.2576:

Have u seen an S D thief that can steal all your boons on no cool down? Now that’s OP

To add a bit more to this conundrum. Stealing 25 stacks of might grants 25 stacks of might with almost no CD. Corrupting 25 stacks of might results in 1 stack of weakness on a base 40s CD.

OMGITSDOT.2498:

This thread is about Corrupt Boon being potentially OP. This is not about the Necro class being OP, and people trying to turn this into that might as well not post. He never calls the class OP and in fact says that they need help. One aspect of a class can be OP even if the class as a whole is completely dog.

The fact that it’s on necro does matter though. Even if two skills had the exact same effects when looked at alone, they’d be different on different professions because of how well they synergize with other skills, traits, and mechanics on that professions. So while “Necro is UP so it’s ok for this to be OP” would be a bad arguement, you still can’t completely isolate the skill from the rest of the profession when looking at it.

Who cares, it’s not like a guardian or ele can’t continually wipe entire slabs of conditions off them most of the time.

I could use corrupt boon on an ele and all he needs to do is hop onb water attunement and his boons are back up in less than 10 secs.

Yeah, sure! Ridicusly OP! That’s why current meta is focused on conditions and everybody runs a necro on their team… oh wait… it is not like this.

I don’t know why people try to judge a profession without having played with it before -.-’’

fakeblood.2576:

Have u seen an S D thief that can steal all your boons on no cool down? Now that’s OP

nooo that’s not overpowered…..because now they do not spamm 22222 anymore, they have to press a new key

This guy… wow.. just wow…

I agree with almost all the posts above me by the way

Navzar.2938:

No cast time, so it can’t be dodged

Stopped reading the entire thread at this comment.

Corrupt Boon has about a 50% chance to fail entirely for no reason. Doesn’t have to get blocked, doesn’t have to be evaded (which it can be)—it just fails. Ask any Necro that runs it.

The same goes for Epidemic. Our best utility (or rather, our only useful ones) fail THAT much just because. When Anet decides to fix this then I might call it strong skill, but until then calling it anything that even hints at OP is just a joke.

I like “Corrupt Boon” to be a counter against boon-based bunkers. As “Save yourself” is a counter to epidemic. Corrupt boon is indeed a really strong utility, but when you look at the necromancer in general, this skill has its right place and fits perfectly in, nor being overpowered.

Chesire.9043:

Navzar.2938:

No cast time, so it can’t be dodged

Stopped reading the entire thread at this comment.

Corrupt Boon has about a 50% chance to fail entirely for no reason. Doesn’t have to get blocked, doesn’t have to be evaded (which it can be)—it just fails. Ask any Necro that runs it.

The same goes for Epidemic. Our best utility (or rather, our only useful ones) fail THAT much just because. When Anet decides to fix this then I might call it strong skill, but until then calling it anything that even hints at OP is just a joke.

Atleast it goes through aegis now.
It can be evaded/dodged, requires LOS and facing your target, if you have a pebble between you and the target, tough luck, full CD. Btw did they remove the cast time, I always remember it having a slight delay when used. Haven’t played necro for a while though. Is it still as unreliable as before?

Psybunny.8906:

Chesire.9043:

Navzar.2938:

No cast time, so it can’t be dodged

Stopped reading the entire thread at this comment.

Corrupt Boon has about a 50% chance to fail entirely for no reason. Doesn’t have to get blocked, doesn’t have to be evaded (which it can be)—it just fails. Ask any Necro that runs it.

The same goes for Epidemic. Our best utility (or rather, our only useful ones) fail THAT much just because. When Anet decides to fix this then I might call it strong skill, but until then calling it anything that even hints at OP is just a joke.

Atleast it goes through aegis now.
It can be evaded/dodged, requires LOS and facing your target, if you have a pebble between you and the target, tough luck, full CD. Btw did they remove the cast time, I always remember it having a slight delay when used. Haven’t played necro for a while though. Is it still as unreliable as before?

Corrupt boon is like an invisible projectile so yes it has travel time. Its pretty good atm. But yea if you are running corrupt boon you usually try to corrupt stabilty cause you are running fear dmg spec anyway.
And to the mr guardian who is crying if yo uthink corrupt boon is op run that skills that converts condis into boons and there you counter necros completely.
Peace.

Waffler.1257:

Dirame.8521:

I think it should be brought down to 5 boons converted because, at most, people are only rocking 5 boons anyway and even if they are packing more than 5, you can be rest-assured that those boons won’t last long.

This is quite an interesting argument. You first stated that it is OP to be able to convert every boon in the game into a condition, and propose a nerf to only convert 5 boons. To support this proposal, you state that most people will only have 5 boons implying it will still convert every boon into a condition on most players (unless they are of course a Guardian using “Save Yourselves!”, aka You). It’s also interesting to note that you find an ability that can potentially cast every condition to be OP, but you think an ability that always casts every boon to be fine. You also seem to think Contemplation of Purity is fine despite it being the exact opposite of Corrupt Boon. Very, very interesting.

I main an Engineer so people’s assumption that I play a Guardian is misplaced. “Save Yourselves” doesn’t give every boon, it lacks two boons; Stability and Aegis. If “Save Yourselves” actually gave every boon, I’d also say it needed a nerf but the duration has already been nerfed so…. no need to touch it.

Contemplation of purity, I totally forgot about that but yea, it should be nerfed down to 5 condis as well.

Dirame.8521:

I main an Engineer so people’s assumption that I play a Guardian is misplaced. “Save Yourselves” doesn’t give every boon, it lacks two boons; Stability and Aegis. If “Save Yourselves” actually gave every boon, I’d also say it needed a nerf but the duration has already been nerfed so…. no need to touch it.

Contemplation of purity, I totally forgot about that but yea, it should be nerfed down to 5 condis as well.

Would you please kindly post your design calculations of how you came up with this magical number of 5?

And my previous offer still stands, please consider maining a necro for a few months.

Kiriakulos.1690:

This is the first time in 9 months I’ve seen anything pertaining to Necromancer and the term OP share the same sentence. […]

This …

The skilldiscription may have a nice sound to it, but within context it loses it’s power. And you have to see it in context. If you go through a list of skills and just change the ones that sort of sound pro, you’ll just ruin everything.

According to all the patchnotes lately, Necros are totally balanced … (against other necros).

Iceflame.5024:

Dirame.8521:

I main an Engineer so people’s assumption that I play a Guardian is misplaced. “Save Yourselves” doesn’t give every boon, it lacks two boons; Stability and Aegis. If “Save Yourselves” actually gave every boon, I’d also say it needed a nerf but the duration has already been nerfed so…. no need to touch it.

Contemplation of purity, I totally forgot about that but yea, it should be nerfed down to 5 condis as well.

Would you please kindly post your design calculations of how you came up with this magical number of 5?

And my previous offer still stands, please consider maining a necro for a few months.

Funny thing, I mained a Necro for some time before I flipped over to Engineer and I mostly played a power necro anyway so, there’s that.

The magical number 5 is what it is a magical number because, at most these conditions will be on you; Poison, Chill, Burning, Bleed and probably a few cover condis like Vulnerability. 5 slots would be enough to remove most of the damaging conditions if not all of them.
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My argument is just based on the fact that Anet seems to have created these extremist skills with equally extremist counters and I personally feel they shouldn’t be that way. Then again, if the extremist counters make it all feel like the game is well balanced then I guess there is no problem.

If CB had a 25s CD (its CD is currently too long) it still wouldn’t be OP. It is a situational counter only skill. You avoid its effect by not boon stacking. If you have built in such a way that you passively stack boons and you can’t stop it, then it is a weakness in your character build and you have found one of the counters to it.

This game needs more boon stripping, not less. Right now boon stacking is too valuable due to the lack of strips. Stacking boons without the threat of corruption or stealing gives the player a passive advantage that generally lowers the skill required of that player to be effective, and makes the game more “Paper, Rock, Scissors” and less “Chess”. This is bad for competition. This is basically why my opinion is that CB is in need of a buff in the form of reduced CD rather than a nerf.

I think Necros are pretty strong in the right hands and with the right team. Most people just tend to brush off necros because it isn’t easy to play or fit into a team. We need some god tier necro teams to unleash the beast ; ]

Yep Corrupt Boon is OP : fair cd, unblockable, insta cast, great range and stuff for a such gamebreaking effect. But it’s not a matter as long as Necros remain UP in general.

Zoose.1640:

I think Necros are pretty strong in the right hands and with the right team. Most people just tend to brush off necros because it isn’t easy to play or fit into a team. We need some god tier necro teams to unleash the beast ; ]

“god tier necro teams " Can we get an ETA on the Korean release?

I don’t understand all the calls for balance and such a phrase as “game breaking”. People read something they don’t like and give it a name.

Afaik nearly all skills of every class can be countered some way or another. If every class is meant to have the same chances regardless of which build it’s running, why have different classes and builds in the first place?

I don’t think it is possible to ensure variablitiy and equality for 1vs1 and teamfights at the same time. It’s up to the player to adjust to the situation of a fight. But people want to win every fight. So they get impatient and blame it all to OP skills.

And yes Necros can be good but deffinately not OP.

Well the skill by itself is OP. The class is not.

LOL ive been laughing so hard at this post. As a necro I apreciate that someone calls us overpowered <3 i can finally tell my friends that say that necro is just a big target to shut up and read this post (I know necro is OP and Im the one always saving their butts on a match). BTW, corrupt boon DOES have a cast time, about 1/2 a sec, its just kind of hidden and the poison applies instantly.

Lupanic.6502:

fakeblood.2576:

Have u seen an S D thief that can steal all your boons on no cool down? Now that’s OP

nooo that’s not overpowered…..because now they do not spamm 22222 anymore, they have to press a new key

still 222222

vicious.5683:

Lupanic.6502:

fakeblood.2576:

Have u seen an S D thief that can steal all your boons on no cool down? Now that’s OP

nooo that’s not overpowered…..because now they do not spamm 22222 anymore, they have to press a new key

still 222222

why not 3333333 ? It is more OP.

Lupanic.6502:

vicious.5683:

Lupanic.6502:

fakeblood.2576:

Have u seen an S D thief that can steal all your boons on no cool down? Now that’s OP

nooo that’s not overpowered…..because now they do not spamm 22222 anymore, they have to press a new key

still 222222

why not 3333333 ? It is more OP.

whatever. It’s better steal those boons tha converting in conditions with fixed duration and stacks.

If necro had huge boon stacks while ruining everyone else’s boon stacks, then I’d agree. But as things stand, necros have spotty booning and the corrupt boon doesn’t even give necro an advantage, it merely levels the playing field. Provided you can hit it.

I played alot of necro, and I have to say that the skill corrupt boon is bugged. 30% of the times you use it, it wont work but you will still get posion on you. So Im no longer using the skill.

Sum up common responses to this thread.
1. lol what are you smoking necro is not OP
2. just dodge it
3. bring contemplation of purity
4. main a necro
5. thief is better boon stealer

And all 5 of those do nothing to address the original post.
This is the world we live in.

It is very OP and deserves to be an elite skill! Hint hint wink wink…