With the amount of boon corruption necromancer will have access to no revenant will be able to survive.
Because:
1. All revenant builds possible rely on boons to cover their main weakness (either CC or condition damage)
2. Since revenants are incredibly weak to conditions having your boons corrupted will hurt even more.
3. Necromancers/Reapers will almost certainly have a place in the next meta.
Boon corrupt on AA is too strong instead boon removal as an extra for the scepter trait would be better.
Currently revenants wearing vipers ammy run around like they are wearing soldiers. It’s disgusting.
Good riddance.
Also, everybody overreacting about the auto boon strip. Itll probably be 1 boon on third attack. Not sure if you realize it but most necros already run very heavy boon strip, and revenants are very viable. Corrupt boon buff is actually more impactful than the scepter auto one imo
Currently revenants wearing vipers ammy run around like they are wearing soldiers. It’s disgusting.
Good riddance.
Also, everybody overreacting about the auto boon strip. Itll probably be 1 boon on third attack. Not sure if you realize it but most necros already run very heavy boon strip, and revenants are very viable. Corrupt boon buff is actually more impactful than the scepter auto one imo
You do realize that viper revs use resistance as a way to survive condi pressure? With the scepter change it’ll be easy to remove that and turn it into chill…
Currently revenants wearing vipers ammy run around like they are wearing soldiers. It’s disgusting.
Good riddance.
Also, everybody overreacting about the auto boon strip. Itll probably be 1 boon on third attack. Not sure if you realize it but most necros already run very heavy boon strip, and revenants are very viable. Corrupt boon buff is actually more impactful than the scepter auto one imo
You do realize that viper revs use resistance as a way to survive condi pressure? With the scepter change it’ll be easy to remove that and turn it into chill…
No I didnt realize that. All I know is that they do 1,000,000 damage and dont die. Reapers turn to be OP
I think Revenants will still be viable in PvP. I do think reaper is the next OP though.
Currently revenants wearing vipers ammy run around like they are wearing soldiers. It’s disgusting.
Good riddance.
Also, everybody overreacting about the auto boon strip. Itll probably be 1 boon on third attack. Not sure if you realize it but most necros already run very heavy boon strip, and revenants are very viable. Corrupt boon buff is actually more impactful than the scepter auto one imo
You do realize that its only a part of boon hate necro gets, right? Without resistance rev is trash due to 0 condi removal and that now will easily be stripped, stab on dodge into fear going to be fun as well.
Signets strip boons but they also have long cd’s, we could cover resistance with f2. No more. Power builds already gets facerolled by anything with condi (and on top of that gets huge dps nerf), condi rev will be facerolled by reaper as we wont be able to keep up resistance with all the spamable boon corruption, condi transfers. Rev will be out of meta.
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Currently revenants wearing vipers ammy run around like they are wearing soldiers. It’s disgusting.
Good riddance.
Also, everybody overreacting about the auto boon strip. Itll probably be 1 boon on third attack. Not sure if you realize it but most necros already run very heavy boon strip, and revenants are very viable. Corrupt boon buff is actually more impactful than the scepter auto one imo
You do realize that its only a part of boon hate necro gets, right? Without resistance rev is trash due to 0 condi removal and that now will easily be stripped, stab on dodge into fear going to be fun as well.
Signets strip boons but they also have long cd’s, we could cover resistance with f2. No more. Power builds already gets facerolled by anything with condi (and on top of that gets huge dps nerf), condi rev will be facerolled by reaper as we wont be able to keep up with resistance, even less so now that they recently added cd on it. Rev will be out of meta.
Soooo do you agree or disagree that they are disgustingly overpowered in their current state? Because I think that they are
Also, if I currently strip 200 boons a game, sith the scepter auto change Ill strip like 215. Its really not a big deal. Its the change everyone is talking about because on paper it ssounds great but in practice I tihnk its one of the smaller announced changes for the reaper
The corrupt boon change might be over the top though. 15s CD? broken
Revenant is exactly what is wrong with pvp right now, alongside chrono. These two classes are BROKEN. If necro buffs are a nerf to revenant, all the better.
The scepter change is not that special all. Only 1 boon in a world where everyone has loads of boons at all time. Pretty much every necro runs 3 signets that boon cirrupt alrdy and its fine. Corrupt change is a bit too much maybe
Soooo do you agree or disagree that they are disgustingly overpowered in their current state? Because I think that they are
Condi rev op? Not really.
Conditions being broken as kitten in general? Yes, they need it damage to be toned down drastically and return to the old “slow overtime” dot damage they were supposed to be. Or actually get rid of condi damage completely and make condi itself opposition to boons – debuffs. Right now condi hits harder than power. Burn and confusion is that broken.
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Right now condi hits harder than power. Burn and confusion is that broken.
And ironically, the only true condition build currently viewed as “meta” has neither in great abundance. Condi Reaper trades their usual pressure for burns, and never gets them high.
Right now condi hits harder than power. Burn and confusion is that broken.
And ironically, the only true condition build currently viewed as “meta” has neither in great abundance. Condi Reaper trades their usual pressure for burns, and never gets them high.
Last time i checked, chill been hitting like a truck. Not rare to see it tick for -800 up to 1k. And given how long you can keep it up on people along with other trash conditions as a cover..
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Right now condi hits harder than power. Burn and confusion is that broken.
And ironically, the only true condition build currently viewed as “meta” has neither in great abundance. Condi Reaper trades their usual pressure for burns, and never gets them high.
Last time i checked, chill been hitting like a truck. Not rare to see it tick for -800 up to 1k. And given how long you can keep it up on people along with 8 different trash conditions..
To get it that high, you’re dealing with 25 Vuln and Might simultaneously. Yes, Chill can hit hard, but when you really crunch the numbers, you see condi Reaper capping out at around 2.5k DPS. That’s hardly out of line when your attacks aren’t being dodged.
I currently do say that the changes to Scepter auto are a bad idea, however. Condi Reaper does not need a buff from today. The things locking it out of the meta are being changed (Diamond Skin Tempests) and as such, they will come into the competitive scene without needing buffs.
Right now condi hits harder than power. Burn and confusion is that broken.
And ironically, the only true condition build currently viewed as “meta” has neither in great abundance. Condi Reaper trades their usual pressure for burns, and never gets them high.
Last time i checked, chill been hitting like a truck. Not rare to see it tick for -800 up to 1k. And given how long you can keep it up on people along with 8 different trash conditions..
To get it that high, you’re dealing with 25 Vuln and Might simultaneously. Yes, Chill can hit hard, but when you really crunch the numbers, you see condi Reaper capping out at around 2.5k DPS. That’s hardly out of line when your attacks aren’t being dodged.
I currently do say that the changes to Scepter auto are a bad idea, however. Condi Reaper does not need a buff from today. The things locking it out of the meta are being changed (Diamond Skin Tempests) and as such, they will come into the competitive scene without needing buffs.
-800 is not that hard to achieve. Chill is problematic condition already as it reduces your skill recharge by 66%, also for condi cleanse. For reaper that has tons of it+kittenload of condi to cover it up it just end up broken. Old medi guard had a fair chance to beat necro..well try it now. Like you said, now that ele is gone reaper will become more than viable. With the upcoming buffs however he will become over the top and basically unstoppable by anything that isnt a thief/maybe druid. Dhuumfire 2.0 inc.
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Actually, if Necros and Thieves are getting such good changes and their counters are getting nerfed, Rev has a good chance of falling out.
Condi Reaper is already very difficult regardless of build and Thieves can handle Condi Rev due to Spike damage and the ability to just out-maneuver them.
Let’s not forget that Revenant is also losing one of its best defenses against burst damage and CC-chains AND losing a lot of power in anything larger than a pure 1v1.
Revenant is exactly what is wrong with pvp right now, alongside chrono. These two classes are BROKEN. If necro buffs are a nerf to revenant, all the better.
What come around goes around, each OP class will get its turn to be nerfed, cant wait for it to be reapers and thieves.
Bring a friend and stunlock the necro… it isnt so hard right?
Spontaneous Destruction spam did the same thing no? along with 2 other traits on low cooldwon. Rev also revomes boons so why not try having your boons removed too.
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Bring a friend and stunlock the necro… it isnt so hard right?
Spontaneous Destruction spam did the same thing no? along with 2 other traits on low cooldwon. Rev also revomes boons so why not try having your boons removed too.
Boon removal is one thing boon corruption is another. Banish enchantment is moderately limited on the amount of boons it can remove by energy AND there was a movement to give it some cooldown.
Bring a friend and stunlock the necro… it isnt so hard right?
Spontaneous Destruction spam did the same thing no? along with 2 other traits on low cooldwon. Rev also revomes boons so why not try having your boons removed too.
How do you stunlock 3-4 Necros? Because that will be the new meta.
Yeah. Why should revenants not be allowed to face roll vs necro. It’s not fair to take away insta cast on skill which makes all condi ticks heal, or reduce access to resistance so they can’t skillfully ignore conditions as much. You actually want me to have to use my dodges to avoid certain skills instead of used randomly to add some style to my moves or to be spammed in chain to stay alive like a tank with glassy stats? Come on, active play is so unskillful.
Edit: Oh, and Mallyx rev has hardly any pressure. It only had a place because it has boon removal and more survivability than necro in a bunker meta. Necro buff or not, Mallyx is done, and I won’t miss it.
One thing I always seem to find in these discussions is the lack of boons and how powerful they are. There is a little bit but soon as boons start to get the same amount of mechanical counters as condis people start to flip.
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I’ve not ran diamond skin tempest this season and I know for a fact that Reapers with scepter are extremely hard to defend against. Now with a massive buff to the scepter (boon corruption) at 3rd auto is going to be awful to deal with.
Consider that boon corruption will be affected by lingering curse increasing the condition duration by 50%, along with other traits or expertise. So a chance to… Aegis= Burning (1 stack, 3 s)
Fury = Blind (5 s)
Might= Weakness (10 s)
Protection= Vulnerability (3 stacks, 10 s)
Quickness= Slow (3 s)
Regeneration=Poison (10 s)
Resistance= Chilled (3 s)
Retaliation = Confusion (3 stacks, 5 s)
Stability= Fear (1 s) (Which mean chill + 3 vuln)
Swiftness= Crippled (10 s)
Vigor= Bleeding (3 stacks, 10 s)
Then, add the condition durations. Bleeding goes up to 22 seconds I think.
For me, it’s probably the worst boons that are going to be converted. Regen and Vigor. I am expecting 20 bleed stacks.
Bring a friend and stunlock the necro… it isnt so hard right?
Spontaneous Destruction spam did the same thing no? along with 2 other traits on low cooldwon. Rev also revomes boons so why not try having your boons removed too.
How do you stunlock 3-4 Necros? Because that will be the new meta.
Necros don’t stack very well with themselves, taking 3-4 necros would be suicide.
I still think people are overrating the corrupt on the third AA way too much.
Bring a friend and stunlock the necro… it isnt so hard right?
Spontaneous Destruction spam did the same thing no? along with 2 other traits on low cooldwon. Rev also revomes boons so why not try having your boons removed too.
How do you stunlock 3-4 Necros? Because that will be the new meta.
Necros don’t stack very well with themselves, taking 3-4 necros would be suicide.
I still think people are overrating the corrupt on the third AA way too much.
My major problem is that it is a corrupt and revenants are weak to condis too. And not only that revenants are getting nerfed and both counters (to the condi revenant) buffed.
As a side note I didn’t play condi rev for anything but a few duels, it’s not really fun, but getting the entire profession removed isn’t really OK.
Bring a friend and stunlock the necro… it isnt so hard right?
Spontaneous Destruction spam did the same thing no? along with 2 other traits on low cooldwon. Rev also revomes boons so why not try having your boons removed too.
How do you stunlock 3-4 Necros? Because that will be the new meta.
Necros don’t stack very well with themselves, taking 3-4 necros would be suicide.
I still think people are overrating the corrupt on the third AA way too much.
My major problem is that it is a corrupt and revenants are weak to condis too. And not only that revenants are getting nerfed and both counters (to the condi revenant) buffed.
As a side note I didn’t play condi rev for anything but a few duels it’s not really fun but getting the entire profession removed isn’t really OK.
Yeah revenant condi gameplay was just completely gutted when they removed the self-conditioning and condition-sharing of the legendary demon stance.
It made sense to have almost no condi cleaning when you could use condis on yourself to strengthen your skills and send them to opponents. But all that gameplay was removed when they reworked the Mallyx skills not not factor in any condition on you.
Not only Revs, Eles and Guardians too rely almost exclusively on boons as defense.
At the very least Ele has a bunch of Condi Cleanses and Guardians have some as well.
Revenant has a laughable amount of condition cleansing.
Not sure which condition clear you are referring to for elementalist when Healing Rain cast time is one second and an half for a whooping 2 condition cleansed (if traited) every 3 seconds for 6 seconds, with no easily accessible condi clears other than this (unless ice field is blasted, if traited, and projectile finishers on water, if traited).
Not only Revs, Eles and Guardians too rely almost exclusively on boons as defense.
At the very least Ele has a bunch of Condi Cleanses and Guardians have some as well.
Revenant has a laughable amount of condition cleansing.
Not sure which condition clear you are referring to for elementalist when Healing Rain cast time is one second and an half for a whooping 2 condition cleansed (if traited) every 3 seconds for 6 seconds, with no easily accessible condi clears other than this (unless ice field is blasted, if traited, and projectile finishers on water, if traited).
The profession has a lot more than just Staff for weapons. That’s what he was getting at.
Not only Revs, Eles and Guardians too rely almost exclusively on boons as defense.
At the very least Ele has a bunch of Condi Cleanses and Guardians have some as well.
Revenant has a laughable amount of condition cleansing.
Not sure which condition clear you are referring to for elementalist when Healing Rain cast time is one second and an half for a whooping 2 condition cleansed (if traited) every 3 seconds for 6 seconds, with no easily accessible condi clears other than this (unless ice field is blasted, if traited, and projectile finishers on water, if traited).
Not only Revs, Eles and Guardians too rely almost exclusively on boons as defense.
At the very least Ele has a bunch of Condi Cleanses and Guardians have some as well.
Revenant has a laughable amount of condition cleansing.
Not sure which condition clear you are referring to for elementalist when Healing Rain cast time is one second and an half for a whooping 2 condition cleansed (if traited) every 3 seconds for 6 seconds, with no easily accessible condi clears other than this (unless ice field is blasted, if traited, and projectile finishers on water, if traited).
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Given the fail desing of rev to be weak to condi (read facerolled by any skillless scrub) hes done. I love hardcounters
I’ve been maining Power Shiro rev this week (with sword/sword) and find that revenant has such great versatility, mobility, and utilities on top of the great autoattack damage it needs something to balance it out. I think after the massive nerfs some skills need to be reworked to account for the weakness to conditions however since the facet of light nerf seems to be too much.
Revenant seems great the first time he rolls onto a point, but after those defeated players come back you’re down on health and energy so from my personal experience it’s great in a 1v1 encounter or group fight but isn’t that great for battles of attrition where it’s all about resources without support (healing from other players since even facet of light up gives poor regen given the cadence at which mid is usually pressured).
What is next weeks lotto numbers? Everyone here seems confident they’re good at accurately predicting the future.
7 17 32 4 12 26
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Given the fail desing of rev to be weak to condi (read facerolled by any skillless scrub) hes done. I love hardcounters
I’ve been maining Power Shiro rev this week (with sword/sword) and find that revenant has such great versatility, mobility, and utilities on top of the great autoattack damage it needs something to balance it out. I think after the massive nerfs some skills need to be reworked to account for the weakness to conditions however since the facet of light nerf seems to be too much.
Revenant seems great the first time he rolls onto a point, but after those defeated players come back you’re down on health and energy so from my personal experience it’s great in a 1v1 encounter or group fight but isn’t that great for battles of attrition where it’s all about resources without support (healing from other players since even facet of light up gives poor regen given the cadence at which mid is usually pressured).
Reason why power rev had high dps, evades and mobility was the lack of condi removal. However that its a moot point now with the upcoming nerfs where they gut rev out of meta. There will be more interesing choices. Scrapper, thief are no worse choices that actually will also be fine vs condi builds.
Ps. Shiro healing is the most trash helaing ability in game next to water spirit. thats how low it is. Both Shiro and Glint heal are situation and require you to be in fight to actually heal for a jack. Pretty much a reason why shield is mandatory.
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Agreed. Thief buffs along with Revenant nerfs already make it significantly weaker. I predict I’ll see more match-ups in the future you don’t want to play as a Rev than ones you do.
I would have been fine with nerfing over the top classes, but this habit of buffing AND nerfing is what makes Anet class balance scary. They can turn previously over powered classes into trash tier in one go, while offering us new top dogs to replace them. I do think Perfect balance will never be achieved, but this simultaneous buffing and nerfing is taking us nowhere.
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condi necro countered condi rev pretty easily anyways and had a good shot against power shiro too so there is no big change.. the thing what counters reapers though are those evasive thief builds who can simply burst you when you go out of shroud whithout getting a single hit from reaper
if you played reaper against a halfway decent daredevil you would know..
Agreed. Thief buffs along with Revenant nerfs already make it significantly weaker. I predict I’ll see more match-ups in the future you don’t want to play as a Rev than ones you do.
I would have been fine with nerfing over the top classes, but this habit of buffing AND nerfing is what makes Anet class balance scary. They can turn previously over powered classes into trash tier in one go, while offering us new top dogs to replace them. I do think Perfect balance will never be achieved, but this simultaneous buffing and nerfing is taking us nowhere.
Exactly this, instead of regular small tweaks they always mindlessly drop buff/nerf nukes. This cycle is endless and doomed to fail again and again.
imho thiefs needed the buff they’ve been a 1 build only set up for soooo long and it really needs to be adjusted, so buffs were required.
imho to take a bottom profession like thief against the top profession like rev, u can buff and nerf, purely because they both need to meet the mid line, if they buffed thief all the way uptoo a rev you would simply both be ridiculously OP… where balance is the Centre of the two proffessions current situation.
the problem is actually, because they release one wave of changes and then don’t change anything til the next season, this meaning they’re giving themselves only one shot at getting it close to perfect… that’s what makes Anet buffs/nerfs so scarey, that if they mess anything up it wont change for a long period of time unlike other games which would release a patch the following week.
