Guild Wars 2

The necromancer was Control effect hit 100% !
Daze?Float?Knockbac?Knockdown?Push…..
Skills can’t be put out
Die Die Die no skill no score
Lose more than win
F1 has a fart

It’s hard work

I don’t know how you play it

Skills can’t be put out

The necromancer in the PVP what to do?

I actually have won all matches with my necro this season. Abuse terrain, don’t try to solo classes you can’t solo, stick to the team, simple really. Also you don’t have instant cast on aoe? How come?

Cynz.9437:

I actually have won all matches with my necro this season. Abuse terrain, don’t try to solo classes you can’t solo, stick to the team, simple really. Also you don’t have instant cast on aoe? How come?

You can win all matches if you;

1. concentrate on capping things that you don’t own, and,
2. tolerate dying every time you get in a fight

Standing in circles for the win.

Svarty.8019:

Cynz.9437:

I actually have won all matches with my necro this season. Abuse terrain, don’t try to solo classes you can’t solo, stick to the team, simple really. Also you don’t have instant cast on aoe? How come?

You can win all matches if you;

1. concentrate on capping things that you don’t own, and,
2. tolerate dying every time you get in a fight

Standing in circles for the win.

Actually as necro you probably should go in circle only in shroud, if anything, otherwise you should be kiting like JP baus. And no, you won’t die every fight unless your team is complete garbage.

have you considered bringing a stunbreak?

Well well well (bad pun I know) it seems we have the Chinese client as well, which is a different game almost now if DH traps are still dazing.

First screenshot seems to be a DH and traps, they removed the daze so that’s not an issue apart from elite. Go DS and soak up the damage if you’re in the elite and then kite.
Second screenshot is what looks to be choking gas, red circles are bad, move out of them.
Third screenshot is the necro elite shout, it’s got a pretty massive tell you know, dodge it.

Also you don’t seem to have a stunbreak, flesh worm, spectral armour, well of power, plague signet or even traiting deathshroud to break with a helps. Can even use the elite shout if reaper to get stability and not get hit by this.

Svarty.8019:

Cynz.9437:

I actually have won all matches with my necro this season. Abuse terrain, don’t try to solo classes you can’t solo, stick to the team, simple really. Also you don’t have instant cast on aoe? How come?

You can win all matches if you;

1. concentrate on capping things that you don’t own, and,
2. tolerate dying every time you get in a fight

Standing in circles for the win.

Gotta love the freedom of being constricted to dancing in and around circles.

Wow why wells heal ? I don’t know if your going for a squish build or what but i have enough stun break and stability in my power tank necro that i don’t loose in 1v1 matches vs any class. Of course 1v2 is hard but it can be done depending on the builds and classes you fight.

Litterally the best thread ever created.

lol I been maining Necromancer for 4 years and yeah you need to get used to simply dying and being left behind in pvp and wvw unless you got some very loyal/good players supporting you (its basically a running joke which still happens since people are selfish as heck in this game yet it is designed for team player). It isn’t such a bad balance idea but the game has moved towards a more solo play which gives you this situation right now with Necromancer in pvp. They have a balance of soaking damage with barely any tanking amulets (vitality AND toughness) which makes them appear to be sitting/bad ducks dying in seconds. I know many will say that necro is in a bad spot but it really isn’t as I play it to this day effectively (however its condition…. since power necromancer is simply too squishy to survive for long in pvp).. its the other classes (yep sounds like a common thing but its actually true when people get their head out of their asses) which are overtuned with so much stuff going on. Anet decides to keep fixing up Reaper instead of giving a simple Death shroud 2 a teleport which I have purposed to mimic essentially the activate skill of shadow fiend (I mean literally just copy and pasting it over with the same effects to deathshroud 2) and you got a skill which would help wonders of Necromancer with barely any effect other then SOMETHING for survive 2 seconds longer (which in this game could be a god send).

And I love how people say “just keep dyin and get used to it” Lol if you any good on necromancer you wont die faster then 10 seconds… and only reason you dying is your allies don’t give a kitten about you .. it happens time and time again. If you actually have good allys you never die. Oh and I hear ESL necro dying all the time lol… shows the actual skill level of those players then.. Im sure they just choose to let him die then actually help since they lazy.

(FYI yes Necromancer and Reaper are separate classes people)

@OP But yah you missing some better skills on that skill bar to be effective. Well of darkness is ok for a few seconds but it wont help you at all in this current PvP Meta. Consume Conditions is the go to heal since they refuse to make the one u using actually 1/4 cast time like it should ( I mean should even be 3/4 seconds) to make that viable. They so scared to actually make things work for necromancer but they seem to don’t give at all when doing changes to other classes… its shown in a lot of previous builds past 2 years. Spectral wall is soso if you inexperienced and really needs another cooldown reduction as it goes away fast as heck with barely any positive benefits.

Also a no no sitting in the circles.. you should be distance attacking and have ally supporting. only enter circle if its about to be capped to stale it or wait it outside the circle and attack them while they sit in it.

I think this is to do with lack of tutorial or terrible template. Clearly OP doesn’t have any stun breaks, which btw no profession can survive without it. His choice of offensive utilities is also questionable. Lacking clear direction on going power or condi. Along with core necro I think its safe to say he’s just starting pvp/GW2.

What are this screens, memes?

Necromancers are one of the worst if not worst class right now for spvp. Part of the problem is the environment. In a solo and duo environment there just isn’t the coordination possible for the peels and rezzing necessary for a Necro to be effective. All it takes is a couple of damage dealers with a clue and they can and will kill any Necro over and over again. There is no getting around you start the match with zero life force making you an extremely easy kill to any kind of coordinated damage.

Necro is pretty strong, but depends to much on support from your allies. They need to heal you and cc your enemies so you the necro can deal damage. If your team try to help, you are good, but half the time this isnt working and you are focused and killed easily.
Your biggest enemy are the numerous CCs. You just dont have the tools to avoid most. All you can do is run and stay at range, but then some thieves and revenants can pick you alone.
Its hard life

Necromancer is one of the hardest class to play atm.
The solo/duo queue force us on teams where there can be a support or not, or where you should be supported or not by your allies. They can help you or just play for themselves and let you die (and frequently they don’t care about you).
The necro is an easy prey for a large amount of classe. Mainly thief, ranger, guardian and mesmer. You can fight and win only against ele and engi, with few chances against warrior and revenant (depending on the build).

I seen some streamers on twitch play so good that they can win 1v1 against different classes but when they go in a teamfight they die as everyonelse using a necro (maybe slower, but they die anyway). or they can be really hard to kill in team but do weak damage and when they go in solo for any reason they die insta bursted by someone without so much hope to flee or survive.

Positioning and knowledge of your enemy is the best way to fight, but is really hard anyway.

Someone say that the necro is weak, someonelse say that is ok and few players say it’s OP (probably bronze rank players). There’s not a real knowledge of how the necro is atm.
I think that is both weak and ok. Ok because have damage and some CC to survive, with a specific and useful role, weak because any CC spammer can kill you easy and fast, it’s really weak in 1v1, don’t have mobility and if the enemy chose to kill you there’s really few things you can do to don’t die in few seconds.

The necromancer is one fo the classes that need a skilled player to do good things and can do really good things, but in the hands of a not really skilled player will only grant frustration and hate.

Anyway, if you find hard to play as a necromancer the only thing you can do is find someone really skilled and ask him to teach you or change class and play something easier. There’s different classes easier to play, with better survavibility, movement and damage at the same time.

steelheart.7386:

Necromancers are one of the worst if not worst class right now for spvp. Part of the problem is the environment. In a solo and duo environment there just isn’t the coordination possible for the peels and rezzing necessary for a Necro to be effective. All it takes is a couple of damage dealers with a clue and they can and will kill any Necro over and over again. There is no getting around you start the match with zero life force making you an extremely easy kill to any kind of coordinated damage.

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

To be fair Sind, duo with Ele can be utter cancer without voice chat since its hard to coordinate Ele heals vs shroud tanking without.

mighty meak.6387:

and i heal and i heal and i heal moar
but w t f
i am alone
no one helps no loves
1vall
i die no win

huluobo.7036:

Die Die Die no skill no score
Lose more than win
F1 has a fart

I see you’ve been trained by the master.

flow.6043:

mighty meak.6387:

and i heal and i heal and i heal moar
but w t f
i am alone
no one helps no loves
1vall
i die no win

huluobo.7036:

Die Die Die no skill no score
Lose more than win
F1 has a fart

I see you’ve been trained by the master.

The last screen comes from w t f skyham truly he is the protégé

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

His point is that necro can’t fill a role as an individual. Ele can bunker a point, though 1v2 will have trouble on Mender’s. It’s an all-around support that offers heals, protection, swiftness, and offers medium offensive support in the form of chills, shocking aura, and air overload. So basically Auramancer has its uses both 1v1 and in XvX. Necro doesn’t have very many good 1v1 matchups, and if you spec for better 1v1 capacity (power necro) then you lose your effectiveness in teamfights, which is really the only place that necro fits in.

To put that in D/P thief terms: you can decap, +1 low targets, and win 1v1s against necro, rev, and power warr (the latter takes too long though). You have 2 general roles in a match plus 2 good 1v1 matchups, and can escape bad ones. How does necro compare in terms of its role flexibility and survivability? It’s an underdog because all necro builds are shunted into the same team-dependent role in combat (DPS and damage sponge in group fights) and aren’t able to dictate the match through superior rotations.

Huskyboy.1053:

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

His point is that necro can’t fill a role as an individual. Ele can bunker a point, though 1v2 will have trouble on Mender’s. It’s an all-around support that offers heals, protection, swiftness, and offers medium offensive support in the form of chills, shocking aura, and air overload. So basically Auramancer has its uses both 1v1 and in XvX. Necro doesn’t have very many good 1v1 matchups, and if you spec for better 1v1 capacity (power necro) then you lose your effectiveness in teamfights, which is really the only place that necro fits in.

To put that in D/P thief terms: you can decap, +1 low targets, and win 1v1s against necro, rev, and power warr (the latter takes too long though). You have 2 general roles in a match plus 2 good 1v1 matchups, and can escape bad ones. How does necro compare in terms of its role flexibility and survivability? It’s an underdog because all necro builds are shunted into the same team-dependent role in combat (DPS and damage sponge in group fights) and aren’t able to dictate the match through superior rotations.

So necro can’t 1v1 ele/engi/druid then? I’m pretty sure you can 1v1 rev too if you abuse kiting as well. Biggest strength necro has as well that many people do wrong, including us in the tournament. It’s that once you won middle for example never try to defend a node but rather push into far and create a fight there.

Poor guy. He’s trying to use his own custom build and stuff.

You need to use an official Anet-approved build to play successfully. There’s only like 2-3.

No build can work without stun break, not to mention he only has one condi transfer on staff.

Some of the crying on the same necro stuff is hilarious. We have 5 similar threads and instead of analysing what OP needs in this thread some people just repeat the same argument.

I don’t play necro, but i know why you are keep DIE DIE DIE. Cause every time my team see a necro, we put that target maker on your head, then spam all damage skill and drop aoe on you until you are a dead. To us who dont play necro, a good necro is a dead necro

Oh noes. Necro sucks? Always funny seeing players for the first time figuring it out.

BTW new sig

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

No build can work without stun break, not to mention he only has one condi transfer on staff.

Some of the crying on the same necro stuff is hilarious. We have 5 similar threads and instead of analysing what OP needs in this thread some people just repeat the same argument.

How do you know hes not running foot in the grave?

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

Hehe, Sind, I think you’ve already proven his point by Duoing with a mesmer to top 20. And I know a few others who have duoed to top 20 as well.

That said though, the effectiveness of Posi and his Ele friend(having fought both of them recently) speaks more to their knowledge of the game and how they coordinate themselves than it does the power of the necro/ele combo.

I can assure you that a good Warrior and Necro combo could win 2v2s against a Posi-level necro-ele synergy because I’ve seen it and executed it myself, same with a mesmer/necro or mesmer/Ele. We’re overvalueing the class in this case rather than the player.

Erzian.5218:

bluri.2653:

So necro can’t 1v1 ele/engi/druid then?

Druid? really?

Yes, Necros can beat druids. Mainly reaper but yes, they can beat Druids.

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

I appreciate your not at all condescending tone.
And thanks for linking Posi’s twitch and yt. Wouldn’t have found it without you.

So here’s the deal.
I’ve watched your stream a lot. It’s great content even for non-thief players.
However, whenever you talk about necro it’s very obvious that you don’t know enough about the class to contribute to a discussions about its balance in any way that should be taken seriously.
I don’t mean this as an insult, you can’t know everything after all.
I’m just stating a fact. You don’t understand necro.

So when you come on a thread like this and say stuff like: ele-necro is the best duo, so necro is fine! Just look at Posi!!!
Just… pls no.

There are issues that should be addressed. Far less than all the complaints on the forum would suggest. And far more in some areas that don’t get complained about enough.
To sweep all of that under the rug with a necro-ele-duo blanket statement is, like I said, lame and ignorant.

Dirame.8521:

That said though, the effectiveness of Posi and his Ele friend(having fought both of them recently) speaks more to their knowledge of the game and how they coordinate themselves than it does the power of the necro/ele combo.

I can assure you that a good Warrior and Necro combo could win 2v2s against a Posi-level necro-ele synergy because I’ve seen it and executed it myself, same with a mesmer/necro or mesmer/Ele. We’re overvalueing the class in this case rather than the player.

I agree, well said.

bluri.2653:

Huskyboy.1053:

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

His point is that necro can’t fill a role as an individual. Ele can bunker a point, though 1v2 will have trouble on Mender’s. It’s an all-around support that offers heals, protection, swiftness, and offers medium offensive support in the form of chills, shocking aura, and air overload. So basically Auramancer has its uses both 1v1 and in XvX. Necro doesn’t have very many good 1v1 matchups, and if you spec for better 1v1 capacity (power necro) then you lose your effectiveness in teamfights, which is really the only place that necro fits in.

To put that in D/P thief terms: you can decap, +1 low targets, and win 1v1s against necro, rev, and power warr (the latter takes too long though). You have 2 general roles in a match plus 2 good 1v1 matchups, and can escape bad ones. How does necro compare in terms of its role flexibility and survivability? It’s an underdog because all necro builds are shunted into the same team-dependent role in combat (DPS and damage sponge in group fights) and aren’t able to dictate the match through superior rotations.

So necro can’t 1v1 ele/engi/druid then? I’m pretty sure you can 1v1 rev too if you abuse kiting as well. Biggest strength necro has as well that many people do wrong, including us in the tournament. It’s that once you won middle for example never try to defend a node but rather push into far and create a fight there.

I wish more people would have that knowledge and understanding.

So all I’m hearing is Necro isn’t actually good at all. They’re only good if you queue up with a elementalist to hold your hand the whole day. Wow. So, if you don’t have an ele duo partner.. don’t play necro? Thanks

Another thing about that guy. I’ve been watching his videos, and, my god. He’s a decent player but his opponents are either extremely lazy or bad.

https://youtu.be/xPBPtXDUAeQ?t=306

Why do so many people defend the state of necros? They see someone doing decent and they say the class is fine. All classes have always had somebody always do fine on it wither it be ele’s during the season before last or revs last season and so on. This isn’t proof the necro isn’t in a bad spot. I actually do just fine on it. Playing it, I understand that its pro’s are grossly outnumbered by its cons.

It also might help if some of you actually played necro and furthermore did so solo queue.

We haven’t even seen 2v2 duels in action yet. IDK why people keep saying ele and necro are some godmode 2v2 when I’ve yet to see a real 2v2 tourney/match or whatever where the ele/necro combo was featured. Videos? Something?

TheDevice.2751:

We haven’t even seen 2v2 duels in action yet. IDK why people keeps saying ele and necro are some godmode 2v2 when I’ve yet to see a real 2v2 tourney/match or whatever where the ele/necro combo was featured. Videos? Something?

2v2s? Puh-lease!! Helseth’s favourite shoutcaster can win 2v1!! Just check it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7vqYHtyeQ

Dirame.8521:

TheDevice.2751:

We haven’t even seen 2v2 duels in action yet. IDK why people keeps saying ele and necro are some godmode 2v2 when I’ve yet to see a real 2v2 tourney/match or whatever where the ele/necro combo was featured. Videos? Something?

2v2s? Puh-lease!! Helseth’s favourite shoutcaster can win 2v1!! Just check it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7vqYHtyeQ

Ok. Already the worst thief ive ever seen in my life (d2 a box). Aaaaand the worst warrior ever (stand in the middle of plaguelands for the entire duration).

It’s actually tough to decide who was worse lol.

EDIT: still upvoted

TheDevice.2751:

Dirame.8521:

TheDevice.2751:

We haven’t even seen 2v2 duels in action yet. IDK why people keeps saying ele and necro are some godmode 2v2 when I’ve yet to see a real 2v2 tourney/match or whatever where the ele/necro combo was featured. Videos? Something?

2v2s? Puh-lease!! Helseth’s favourite shoutcaster can win 2v1!! Just check it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7vqYHtyeQ

Wow that necro is OP.

Yes I agree he is OP and should be nerfed

If the above isn’t what you typed then I’m sorry. For some reason the website just changed it….. somehow.

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

I appreciate your not at all condescending tone.
And thanks for linking Posi’s twitch and yt. Wouldn’t have found it without you.

So here’s the deal.
I’ve watched your stream a lot. It’s great content even for non-thief players.
However, whenever you talk about necro it’s very obvious that you don’t know enough about the class to contribute to a discussions about its balance in any way that should be taken seriously.
I don’t mean this as an insult, you can’t know everything after all.
I’m just stating a fact. You don’t understand necro.

So when you come on a thread like this and say stuff like: ele-necro is the best duo, so necro is fine! Just look at Posi!!!
Just… pls no.

There are issues that should be addressed. Far less than all the complaints on the forum would suggest. And far more in some areas that don’t get complained about enough.
To sweep all of that under the rug with a necro-ele-duo blanket statement is, like I said, lame and ignorant.

Delusional at it’s finest. You can keep saying necro-ele is a blank statement but on paper there’s not a single 2v2 that will win this. Just look at the tournament that was played no 2v2 would beat this.

Weren’t you the one that also said you beat me in 1v1s as a necro? I mean this gets fokken more hilarious reading what you write

What do I not understand about a necro? The traits and builds? Sure I’ll admit that, the role however is a completely different thing or where it’s strengths are at I’d say I know more then you do because I actually play tournaments and have competed in the past with and versus necros. I think it’s reversed since you are telling me the 2v2 isn’t the strongest in the game LOL. I remember seeing you as a core necro running like a headless chicken in the games not knowing what to do or where to move.

And not to mention that you have necros here saying they don’t even kill druids in 1v1s, they did so even pre astral nerf, this tells me the level of 90% of you are below average.

Lastly, Ceimash.

“I can assure you that a good Warrior and Necro combo could win 2v2s against a Posi-level necro-ele synergy because I’ve seen it and executed it myself, same with a mesmer/necro or mesmer/Ele. We’re overvalueing the class in this case rather than the player.”

No, just no. Mesmer/ele beating necro/ele, mesmer/necro beating nec/ele? This is why I can’t stand forums because the level of discussion here is so low it’s unbearable.

This was last response from me regarding this topic, but let’s all sit here and pretend how weak necro are and nec/ele is just god awful, the only problem nec/ele suffers from is the speed of rotation, not the fighting capabilities because they are through the roof, anyone saying anything else is beyond help.

bluri.2653:

No, just no. Mesmer/ele beating necro/ele, mesmer/necro beating nec/ele? This is why I can’t stand forums because the level of discussion here is so low it’s unbearable.

You’re overacting just because of words on a page made of 1s and 0s that don’t outright agree with you. Calm down. I’m just going by what I’ve experienced and what I’ve seen.

I would love to see these Necro-Ele combos that can beat a similarly skilled Mesmer-Ele combo. Not that it’s impossible, just that i don’t think it’s as easy as just slapping a Necro and an Ele together and calling it a win.

I cba writing a long answer, just gonna keep it short :

y’all need to git gud

Bloodyjoker.4327:

I don’t play necro, but i know why you are keep DIE DIE DIE. Cause every time my team see a necro, we put that target maker on your head, then spam all damage skill and drop aoe on you until you are a dead. To us who dont play necro, a good necro is a dead necro

Only you understand what I’m talking about
You’re a PvP player true

Dirame.8521:

TheDevice.2751:

We haven’t even seen 2v2 duels in action yet. IDK why people keeps saying ele and necro are some godmode 2v2 when I’ve yet to see a real 2v2 tourney/match or whatever where the ele/necro combo was featured. Videos? Something?

2v2s? Puh-lease!! Helseth’s favourite shoutcaster can win 2v1!! Just check it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7vqYHtyeQ

The worst thief ever find, unable to make a single good burst, clean condi and do more or less anything.

The warrior… Do I need to say something on how bad that warrior fought?
No Resistance, no F1 spam, no CC, no Burst, no Movement, he took all the Plagueland elite (stay 10 seconds on an AoE with a class with so much movement and burst show how bad it is). Probably he was with all his skills in CD and under a huge lag, there’s no other ways he made a similar bad fight.

Anyway,Ceymash is able to fight and is one of the best players I found using a necro. I think that a lot of his videos showed only a extremely favorite enviroment against unranked players or just bad players, but I seen him do ranked and he’s able to do really good things.

Then, i there’s a 1% of players able to do great things but 99% of players doing nothing more than die and respown, there’s still something wrong.

The necromancer is more or less the hardest class to play in this meta. It’s easy to play if you talk ablut combo, skills and mechanic, but play it at a level that grant you to win some 1v1 is another thing.
The necromancer have some good pro but also so much cons that frequently is unplayable. The enemy team will only burst him down easy and fast if he go in team fight, that’s the reason that made Ceimash play as a close holder or a decapper. He made a 1v1 build able to kill thief and eventually mesmers, with few exeption for bad warriors, and he run close-far all the time, frequently holding the close and doing nothing else. That’s good but the reason is that a necro in a teamfight will never survive, and against a team fight class/build he will lose at 90%. He play without a single stunbreak (maybe 2 with foot in the grave) and a build that any CC spammer will eat for breakfast, but he fight against thiefs that don’t spam so much CC and don’t have stability (making him able to use the death shroud 3 to fear them easy and fast when he need).

I admi that a good necromancer can do good things but a good team will never make the necromancer able to do anything.

As Bloodyjoker wrote few posts above: …every time my team see a necro, we put that target maker on your head every time my team see a necro, we put that target maker on your head..
And for a necromancer there’s nothing he can do to stop the enemy to kil him.

We did it bois. We invented a game the Chinese can’t out farm us in to be good!

huluobo.7036:

Bloodyjoker.4327:

I don’t play necro, but i know why you are keep DIE DIE DIE. Cause every time my team see a necro, we put that target maker on your head, then spam all damage skill and drop aoe on you until you are a dead. To us who dont play necro, a good necro is a dead necro

Only you understand what I’m talking about
You’re a PvP player true

This group think just like “meta” copy paste builds. Makes it easier for a necro to kite and beat groups in a power blitz lol. Because every kiddo these days runs a copy paste condition build on every possible toon i have my i kill all classes build and it’s quite fun as necro. Burn guards are my fave to wipe out in about 5 seconds while they thought they could block my power burst.

bluri.2653:

I mean again, I’ve yet to see proof of this godmode 2v2 match-up. Do you have any other videos (not posi vs the worst players in the world)?

Like actual 2v2 match-ups. You make it seem as if its so strong; there will be zero point in choosing any other comp. Im not saying its weak. I dont think anyone will say its a weak duo. I don’t think its half as strong as you make it out to be.

Again, you don’t really play necro that much nor do many of the people claiming necro is in some decent spot. It’s not. You’d probably know if you played necro.

Even if necro was ONLY viable with ele supporting it.. why is that a good thing?

bluri.2653:

This is why I can’t stand forums because the level of discussion here is so low it’s unbearable.

Oh, the irony…

bluri.2653:

Delusional at it’s finest. You can keep saying necro-ele is a blank statement but on paper there’s not a single 2v2 that will win this. Just look at the tournament that was played no 2v2 would beat this.

Weren’t you the one that also said you beat me in 1v1s as a necro? I mean this gets fokken more hilarious reading what you write

What do I not understand about a necro? The traits and builds? Sure I’ll admit that, the role however is a completely different thing or where it’s strengths are at I’d say I know more then you do because I actually play tournaments and have competed in the past with and versus necros. I think it’s reversed since you are telling me the 2v2 isn’t the strongest in the game LOL. I remember seeing you as a core necro running like a headless chicken in the games not knowing what to do or where to move.

And not to mention that you have necros here saying they don’t even kill druids in 1v1s, they did so even pre astral nerf, this tells me the level of 90% of you are below average.

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This was last response from me regarding this topic, but let’s all sit here and pretend how weak necro are and nec/ele is just god awful, the only problem nec/ele suffers from is the speed of rotation, not the fighting capabilities because they are through the roof, anyone saying anything else is beyond help.

At first I was worried that you didn’t recognize me, but then you perfectly described my signature headless chicken playstyle. A style that is very well suited to beat you in 1v1s, I might add. So yes, that’s me, indeed!

Anyway, I’m glad you won’t be responding anymore because your opinion on necro is irrelevant.
I will, however, still address what you said because I’m concerned that some people might read your post and be misguided to believe that you being you holds any value in this discussion.

So first of all, no one said ele-necro is bad or awful. But I could easily argue that it’s not the single best duo in game for every situation and matchup.
Regardless, there are a ton of problems with the necro class that should be addressed, some of which bugs that date back to the 2012 release, some of which obvious design flaws and a lot of issues that – if fixed – wouldn’t even affect any form of team fight at all.
For example, a starting amount of life force in PvP, healing through Shroud or the 50% damage reduction in Shroud.
There’s a long list of basic things like this that you would know about if you knew anything about necro, but you don’t. You just take a big sip of your ignorance and arrogance smoothie and regurgitate a splash of “naaaah it’s fine, just ele-up and stop crying” on threads like this.

And by the way, you lecturing me on necro is like someone telling you how to play thief – delusional at its finest.

Is that skull really censored on Well of Corruption?

I saw something about WoW in china where whole maps with skulls and death were censored, I wonder what else is censored in GW2 rofl.

2vs2?

If this is a team game, why am I a 1vs2+ attack?

Why first kill necromancer?

Some friends don’t even know what I’m talking about

This is not an operation problem