Guild Wars 2

When playing against a condition heavy team take a screen shot of why burning should be nerfed. I play a guardian with 8 condition clears and here’s my joke of a death.

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

style.6173:

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

He took 110.000 damage from conditions, he burned for 1min13seconds, he clearly survived a long time.

How is that overpowered? Condition cleanse is not suppose to mean you take zero condition damage, it helps you stay alive. And guess what, it did.

Terrahero.9358:

style.6173:

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

He took 110.000 damage from conditions, he burned for 1min13seconds, he clearly survived a long time.

How is that overpowered? Condition cleanse is not suppose to mean you take zero condition damage, it helps you stay alive. And guess what, it did.

I have to assume with that logic, that you’re also advocating that all other conditions have their damage boosted so professions that dont have ample access to burning can apply similar levels of damage and pressure?

Burning damage is too high and bleeding is ridiculously low. Anet needs to re-evaluate condition scaling for all conditions.

Mikkel.8427:

Terrahero.9358:

style.6173:

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

He took 110.000 damage from conditions, he burned for 1min13seconds, he clearly survived a long time.

How is that overpowered? Condition cleanse is not suppose to mean you take zero condition damage, it helps you stay alive. And guess what, it did.

I have to assume with that logic, that you’re also advocating that all other conditions have their damage boosted so professions that dont have ample access to burning can apply similar levels of damage and pressure?

Burning damage is too high and bleeding is ridiculously low. Anet needs to re-evaluate condition scaling for all conditions.

Don’t assume so much. That’s all your post is, assumption.

You assume i want to buff conditions? Based on what? Not aggree’ing that conditions need to be completely destroyed based on evidence that proves nothing of the sorts?

The OP makes a claim, and presents “evidence” to support his claim. But his evidence does nothing of the sort. I’m calling him out on it.

You could just have weakness affect condition builds…. it’s a really simple fix….

Burn is crazy OP, and is the epitome of “No risk, high rewards” build.

Serious Thought.5394:

You could just have weakness affect condition builds…. it’s a really simple fix….

Weakness and protection should effect condi as well

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

http://imgur.com/l1a7WHQ

What about 16 seconds. You also have to realize a majority of the damage can from a minority of the ticks maybe the last five hit the hardest.

Frightlight.3796:

Serious Thought.5394:

You could just have weakness affect condition builds…. it’s a really simple fix….

Weakness and protection should effect condi as well

I couldn’t agree more. It’s really beyond me when vun now effects condi damage but these two don’t mitigate it.

Has there ever been an official response as to why this is the case?

Mikkel.8427:

Terrahero.9358:

style.6173:

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

He took 110.000 damage from conditions, he burned for 1min13seconds, he clearly survived a long time.

How is that overpowered? Condition cleanse is not suppose to mean you take zero condition damage, it helps you stay alive. And guess what, it did.

I have to assume with that logic, that you’re also advocating that all other conditions have their damage boosted so professions that dont have ample access to burning can apply similar levels of damage and pressure?

Burning damage is too high and bleeding is ridiculously low. Anet needs to re-evaluate condition scaling for all conditions.

Your mistaking your subjective opinion for that of objective fact. In my opinion, burning isn’t too high. Some of the skills that stack it, are over tuned with either too many stacks, too long duration, or both. The condition itself is fine.

The other problem is that we do not know how many players were stacking those burns. multiple players can apply condition damage too you, just like multiple players can apply direct damage to you. There seems to be some disconnect in that fact. Seems to me that all to many complainers are unreasonably biased against conditions, when the condition builds could be doing equivalent damage output to that of a direct damage build.

Serious Thought.5394:

You could just have weakness affect condition builds…. it’s a really simple fix….

I am personally leaning toward being a fan of weakness and protection effecting conditions they way vulnerability does. But if we are cross mixing how direct damage and condition negating effects work, it brings in the argument of armor negating condition damage and there fore cleanses right to negate direct damage some how.

Ansilon.6230:

Burn is crazy OP, and is the epitome of “No risk, high rewards” build.

Burn guard is one of the highest risk builds in the game. Similarly, burn engi is extremely risky, as is trap ranger. If you don’t land your bursts on those builds you lose.

RlyOsim.2497:

Frightlight.3796:

Serious Thought.5394:

You could just have weakness affect condition builds…. it’s a really simple fix….

Weakness and protection should effect condi as well

I couldn’t agree more. It’s really beyond me when vun now effects condi damage but these two don’t mitigate it.

Has there ever been an official response as to why this is the case?

Conditions already have more than enough counters, they don’t need more. Along with condition clear, evade, invuln, blind, block, and interrupts still work. Protection and weakness are already extremely strong, and probably don’t need anymore buffs either. I would assume it is so you actually have to spec for more defense then you do now. For instance, eles would just need acrcana, and bunker guards would be even harder to kill. Similarly, cele necro would get tankier, which isn’t something the game needs.

Terrahero.9358:

Mikkel.8427:

Terrahero.9358:

style.6173:

Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

He took 110.000 damage from conditions, he burned for 1min13seconds, he clearly survived a long time.

How is that overpowered? Condition cleanse is not suppose to mean you take zero condition damage, it helps you stay alive. And guess what, it did.

I have to assume with that logic, that you’re also advocating that all other conditions have their damage boosted so professions that dont have ample access to burning can apply similar levels of damage and pressure?

Burning damage is too high and bleeding is ridiculously low. Anet needs to re-evaluate condition scaling for all conditions.

Don’t assume so much. That’s all your post is, assumption.

You assume i want to buff conditions? Based on what? Not aggree’ing that conditions need to be completely destroyed based on evidence that proves nothing of the sorts?

The OP makes a claim, and presents “evidence” to support his claim. But his evidence does nothing of the sort. I’m calling him out on it.

How does nerfing burn stacking mean completely destroying all conditions? You really don’t get that burning is OP compared to all other conditions?

most of the time when i look at my damage received over the whole game I’ve always taken a lot less condi damage than power.

choovanski.5462:

most of the time when i look at my damage received over the whole game I’ve always taken a lot less condi damage than power.

I actually think it is not accurate. I just played a game where the condi damage that I received it one death was greater than the total amount reported at the end. Probably a bug for ANET to look into.

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Terrahero.9358:

73 hits of Burning.

So you’ve been burning for 73seconds before you died. And conditions are op?

lol and you think this is somehow balanced? It completely makes the argument of “run more condi cleanse” irrelevant. Burn stacking is broken. It cannot be defended.

I tend to just throw it back at the guardian and laugh at him dieing 2 seconds later

“Highest damage in stat screen… must be OP”

People are forgetting that Necro’s can condi transfer team conditions onto himself, then could either transfer them back to everybody and/or towards a single target for burst damages… then convert people’s boons for additional condi damages.
That screen shows combined damages from every player. Including your own.

People complain because they received absured burn damages in X amount of seconds… was there a condi guardian on your team and a Necro on the other? Your burn guardian that transferred 9 burn stacks on the necro/minions/enemies, probably killed you thanks to condi transfers. Burn Damage is not the reason people are dying in TPvP. That only happens when you’re against an Ele (r they fix?), Necro (transfered ur burns or corrupt boon) or Burn Guardian (all damages are through burns).

I challenge people to actually post “Top Skills by Player” and see exactly where these “OP” burns are coming from.

I actually don’t really have an issue with burns. theyre fine on the ranger, engie and guard. of the three, burn guards are probably the least effective in the higher mmr bracket. I still feel ele’s fire attunement needs more nerfs, there are just too many sources of burning.

Wait, we’re still arguing about this? Wasn’t the consensus reached long ago? Burn is op in the sense that it ticks for way more per stack as compared to other conditions. Period. There is no argument to justify burn damage.