Guild Wars 2

We were promised no holy trinity since beta and I’m sad to see it change. Druid is like a monk that deals damage.

I promised I would upload a druid video and here it is after they removed cleric amulet.

Please balance our pvp we don’t even have to dodge anymore. (And yes I was staying alive in this video to show I could outlast them but the build does do allot of damage)

It’s broken because… You can tank NPCs???

You aren’t even using We a heal as one, so I’m just gonna assume you don’t know what you’re even talking about.

Lol I can use any heal I wan’t to at this point.

Post another video with a different class doing the same thing I just did without using dodge or blocks or evades and sitting there for 5 minutes. And then you can talk about me taking npc. If you watched the video. I pointed out I faced NPC because they wouldn’t run from me. I wanted to show I can out heal damage permanently No energy bar needed.

Don’t know this player but he did a good job. Sadly I’m using his video as an example.

Zelulose.8695:

Lol I can use any heal I wan’t to at this point.

Post another video with a different class doing the same thing I just did without using dodge or blocks or evades and sitting there for 5 minutes. And then you can talk about me taking npc. If you watched the video. I pointed out I faced NPC because they wouldn’t run from me. I wanted to show I can out heal damage permanently No energy bar needed.

Don’t know this player but he did a good job. Sadly I’m using his video as an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AePZuaiIJI

Oh well at the end of the day it was a nice PvE video I guess. Try it vs an invocation revenant or a necro.

You forget the now nerfed ele has to deal with this. Rev is already strong along with mesmer. I’m not sure why you said necro though. This build has allot of condition removal traited and in my utility and through various skills. Whats more I had 3 evades at my disposal 1 invouln and two dodges It’s not dying anytime soon unless you have a party with one full glass player that’s why I posted the second video. This is just dumbed down easy play.

You can do better with chronomancer, minionmancer/blood necro, Tanky-ish warrior. And if you allow dodging, Daredevil will dodge the hell out of them too.

But you are right, the sustain and damage in this game should be adjusted. Druid is too boring for me to play with shouts. I use old ranger build with a sprinkle of druid.

And lastly, whoever designed the Celestial Avatar to be 15 seconds should be kicked from the company, never be given bacon or any drinks. Rework with a Necro’s shroud-like style would force druids to be healers and would prevent them from dealing damage if adjusted correctly.

So after deleting ele from the game..the QQ crowd jump on druid, sure thing I think the game will have only 7 professions soon and after druid th QQ crowd will jump on dragon hunter or Chronomancer.

Keep up the good work folks, soon enough you won’t have a game to QQ about aftr all you should have realized by now that when anet “balance” they simply take the sledge hammer which inevitably bury the target of the nerfs under ground..but ofc I’m expecting too much from this community at this point so..keep it up ^^

P.S Sarcasm apart..god man the OP, like seriously? Have you ever played against just a little above average players?

Here what I can do while you’re in Celestial form
-Load you with condis and bash your face
-Corrupt all your boons, fear you..and bash your face
-Steal your boons, daze you..and bash your face
-I can dozen of things on all other professions ( excluding ele ofc which is dead) ..and bash your face

Furthermore to embarass yourself even more your post, you link a video of a renowned multiclasser who clearly state how easily he can be CCed to death while staying on the point and how he can 2vs1 successfully in unranked

Why does this company even read the forums?..Just why?

Well, druid is broken, but not because of his tank capability, so… .-.

Krysard.1364:

Well, druid is broken, but not because of his tank capability, so… .-.

Ofc druid is broken for you…you’re either a Reaper or a DD, reading your post history is safe to assume you’re a Reaper in which case the druid outrange you and avoid all your mark spam and can also clear your condi bombs with ease.

Ofc druid is broken for you…druid is a counter to brainless reaper gameplay so ofc reapers will complain about it

You were complaining about eles and now here you are..against druids…sad

Zelulose.8695:

Lol I can use any heal I wan’t to at this point.

Post another video with a different class doing the same thing I just did without using dodge or blocks or evades and sitting there for 5 minutes. And then you can talk about me taking npc. If you watched the video. I pointed out I faced NPC because they wouldn’t run from me. I wanted to show I can out heal damage permanently No energy bar needed.

Don’t know this player but he did a good job. Sadly I’m using his video as an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AePZuaiIJI

1. you tank NPC
2. you post 7 months old videos

are you trying to be funny? May be you show us some valid arguments?
If you can not, Stop lying here.

This post is just plain stupid.
The video doesn’t make any sence, you are tanking the guardian npc, while the other 2 are attacking your pet. Npc don’t know how to cc, burst and don’t apply condis so taking them is just pointless.
And then, you link a 7 months old video, you know, the time where celestial was still a thing, bunker chrono existed and druid’s pets were overcharged with bugs.

In a real scenario, 2 players can easily spike a druid, and even on 1v1 a lot of classes have a very fair chance of killing a druid or drive him of point. (rev/engi/chrono/reaper/war)
Druids are strong, i agree, but don’t deserve more nerfs than the other classes.

If you want to be taken seriously; create a vid of actual pvp fights vs above avg opponents.

Supreme.3164:

Krysard.1364:

Well, druid is broken, but not because of his tank capability, so… .-.

Ofc druid is broken for you…you’re either a Reaper or a DD, reading your post history is safe to assume you’re a Reaper in which case the druid outrange you and avoid all your mark spam and can also clear your condi bombs with ease.

Ofc druid is broken for you…druid is a counter to brainless reaper gameplay so ofc reapers will complain about it

You were complaining about eles and now here you are..against druids…sad

Man, this post is so sad.
First of all, I’m defending druid. OP said that druids have insane tank potential. Im saying that this is not true. Second, while I consider myself a necro main, I play more engi than necro in PvP lastly, so its not like I mind druids at all. Third, necros actually have a good shot against druids 1v1. Fourth, if by DD you mean daredevil, druid is actually one of the easiest +1 for a thief, and they have the ability to hold a node against a druid a lot of time if needed. Everything you said is wrong

EDIT: I dont remember complaining about eles either, but w/e

Nothing to see here.

Just a post from someone who met a counter to their cheese. Now on forums complaining because he/she has to use their brain to figure out how to kill some good druids.

I actually thought this thread was atleast going to be entertaining. But nope, just somebody who obviously either have no ideal what they are talking about, or is either just too “lazy” to learn how to counter them.

Before you say I’m only saying this because I main druid, look at my signature link below. My Daredevil is the only class I don’t really play. Then again unlike many sPvPers I actually sit down, number crunch, theory craft, and then test all of my builds for WvW roaming, and soloing.

But really I think you should L2P before crying nerf. Atleast spend some time on the classes that you are crying nerf about, you’ll be surprised at how many flaws you’d find. Condition damage as a whole now is a bit overtuned if you don’t commit to heavy anti-condition damage tactics, I blame ANet for not splitting skills between PvE, WvW, and sPvP game modes.

I’m very aware of other sustain based 1 vs 1 builds but this is aoe healing for the most part. If you stack 2 druids the healing goes up immensely. This kind of sustain forces every other class to play slightly tanky because no strait dps build is guna kill it before dying. I’m not saying I haven’t found a way to counter them. I posted a second video of another player so you could see Druid healing in pvp vs players.

I’m a mesmer main so I can counter-build any class right now. I’m just generous and I call out things that need a fix to make pvp more skill based. Things like perma evade D/D thief or staff thief. Things like chronomancer/inspiration mesmers. Things like Revenant damage which is fine given they don’t last so long. I even call out my own main class. But all I hope to have is pvp based on skill so it brings players who get get face-rolled by a copy and paste counter spec. I have also noticed that aside from rev. A good mesmer/druid/scrapper often stale mate 1`vs 1 with their pvp build and their team builds and even if one does win it is 4-5+ minutes later or almost half a game.
Oh I forgot to mention the condition warriors that need a defensive or condition burst shave.

Druid is not the class that forces others to run tanky builds, nor is the healing a reason, why fights became so boring and skilless. The healing is actually very clunky. Trying to heal allies in soloQ (= trying to “hit” them with tiny delayed aoes while they run arround like scared chicken) requires more “skill” than killing enemys with most classes.

Sure playing druid takes allot of skill…

Zelulose.8695:

Sure playing druid takes allot of skill…

If you question that, then take it to a queued game and post a video of that instead of acting like a kitten and posting PvE videos lol

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

Druid needs to be nerfed hard. That’s too much and honestly the druid is going to be doing what the tempest was doing.

Nerf it and let’s move on Anet

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs... And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Against equally skilled opponents neither can Druid lol. My power rev eats them easy alone. My thief can randomly spam head shot for 3k pulms just because every single thing druids do has an annoying cast time.

They run nearly no toughness and are ez to power spike. The healing means nothing when you have to heal up like 22k HP and have no toughness to help keep it up.

It wasn’t even strong last season and offers limited team support outside of heals and celestial shadow (yay decap your own team, or be forced to get off point for a few seconds). They give no boons to the team other than vigor, and do not give out the auras that cleric tempest did.

They do have allot of stabability… CC will kill them but not immediately. They have at least half a minute where they can be cc immune. which is only down for the next 28 seconds. (assume no increased boon duration)

I also wan’t to point out if you deal enough damage to kill that much healing without cc (Rev for example) your taking multiple hp bars down which any class besides rangers wont be able to take. This is why I talk about rev. damage. I have seen them insta gib anything 16k without toughness. That means all mard thief are insta dead. Using a broken class is a poor comparison to prove druid isn’t op.

Also, telling me a class can be rock paper scissor countered is cliche. Obviously you can counter build anything but the question is if that counter build is effective in a team setting. You might be thinking 1 vs 1 in terms of their strength.

Guys, you are totally missing the point here. Druid is only OP when you click the skills, like Zelulose is doing in the vid. Try it and you’ll see your druid gameplay improve radically :P

The guy is fighning NPC who even cant bring some soft CC? And you are complaining about sustain? Man 1 stun and focus from 2 DD and you are looking at the timer ^^

Zelulose.8695:

They do have allot of stabability… CC will kill them but not immediately. They have at least half a minute where they can be cc immune. which is only down for the next 28 seconds. (assume no increased boon duration)

I also wan’t to point out if you deal enough damage to kill that much healing without cc (Rev for example) your taking multiple hp bars down which any class besides rangers wont be able to take. This is why I talk about rev. damage. I have seen them insta gib anything 16k without toughness. That means all mard thief are insta dead. Using a broken class is a poor comparison to prove druid isn’t op.

Also, telling me a class can be rock paper scissor countered is cliche. Obviously you can counter build anything but the question is if that counter build is effective in a team setting. You might be thinking 1 vs 1 in terms of their strength.

Half a minute of cc immunity. Lol. It lasts for 12 seconds.

I fail to comprehend how the kitten anyone still thinks revenant is broken, have you even played one?

Crystal Hibernation – nerfed forever ago
Infuse Light – nerfed forever ago
Riposting Shadows – nerfed few patches ago
Phase Traversal – nerfed few patches ago
Surge of the Mists – nerfed several times
Unrelenting Assault – nerfed forever ago, and is extremely broken (does not work)
Warding Rift – nerfed this patch
Equilibrium – nerfed 25%

Let me guess, the only class not broken in this game is the one you choose to play because you have honor or some other bullkitten. L2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p.

PS. Ty to the poster that brought up the skill clicking in the video, ima ignore this guy’s input now.

At this point you just trying to find fault either to troll or to make me look bad. Rampage as one and a signet can provide half a minute of stab-ability. on fairly short CD. if used correctly you can stop a flurry of cc and keep healing yourself and your team. As for skill clicking this game has been challenging enough for me to stop skill clicking. It is a spam based game at this point.

In any-case I still posted another video that you most-likely haven’t watched. I was prepared for the wow you face npc post so I added a video of a player besides myself using druid. He died once to a zerg that whole game.

There should never have been a support elite spec. Everyone should be a unique form of DPS with the ability to sustain themselves…

Zelulose.8695:

At this point you just trying to find fault either to troll or to make me look bad. Rampage as one and a signet can provide half a minute of stab-ability. on fairly short CD. if used correctly you can stop a flurry of cc and keep healing yourself and your team.

Strength of the pack I will concede it is a good skill that druids need. But the signet lmfao. Who the hell even uses that signet. Short CD, that signet is like 60 or 70s.

Bro I don’t have to make you look bad. You posted a video of you vs brainless NPCs that mostly focused your pet while you clicked skills to survive, then insisted that this video is proof that druid needs a nerf. You troll yourself more than I ever could.

mrauls.6519:

There should never have been a support elite spec. Everyone should be a unique form of DPS with the ability to sustain themselves…

They also promised the players who pre-ordered beta this game would have no holy trinity. Apparently they cant even keep their business model.

Zelulose.8695:

mrauls.6519:

There should never have been a support elite spec. Everyone should be a unique form of DPS with the ability to sustain themselves…

They also promised the players who pre-ordered beta this game would have no holy trinity. Apparently they cant even keep their business model.

Signet of the wilderness rarely is used for the active and both SotW and RoA have a large cast time.

Varezenem.2813:

Zelulose.8695:

mrauls.6519:

There should never have been a support elite spec. Everyone should be a unique form of DPS with the ability to sustain themselves…

They also promised the players who pre-ordered beta this game would have no holy trinity. Apparently they cant even keep their business model.

Signet of the wilderness rarely is used for the active and both SotW and RoA have a large cast time.

I’m just pointing out that cc isn’t gg especially vs a player who actually know how to dodge cc and cast skills at the right time. Massive CC is one thing that does counter druid but most builds arn’t pure cc builds as it sacrifices allot of utility to go full blown cc except of-course in the warriors case. Pulm strike thief, for example, has to be very squishy to be effective and often dies in the process of killing the druid because druids have a team and a pet who arn’t cc. In a 1 vs 1 the temporary stabability is plenty to outlast the squishy pulm strike thief and take it down relatively quickly while kiting it while the stabability is down.

Also there is something wrong if a class with this much healing is not op in pvp. Either they need to tone down sustainability in general or they may opt out of balancing with an easy fix which noone will like…. That is… Make everyone impossible to kill in a 1 vs 1 so that only coordinated team can down them. This is such an easy cop out which I have a hunch they are aiming for. This would promote team play, prevent them from ever having to add dueling, and force every player who complains to receive not l2p., but rather, Teamwork comments about learning to play as a team. Again this is the direction they moved with the HoT release as many of the good players can stale mate on Druid, Chronmancer, and scrapper running dps or condition amulets usually the tired one just gives up.

I will post a hotjoin video of me manually clicking skills while eating lunch and not trying (might even walk into a wall cause I can lol) Just to give you all an idea.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Against equally skilled opponents neither can Druid lol. My power rev eats them easy alone. My thief can randomly spam head shot for 3k pulms just because every single thing druids do has an annoying cast time.

They run nearly no toughness and are ez to power spike. The healing means nothing when you have to heal up like 22k HP and have no toughness to help keep it up.

It wasn’t even strong last season and offers limited team support outside of heals and celestial shadow (yay decap your own team, or be forced to get off point for a few seconds). They give no boons to the team other than vigor, and do not give out the auras that cleric tempest did.

Uhh huh sure….lol

I’ve yet to meet a druid that is OP. All current condi classes(warrior, necromancer, mesmer with some effort) can faceroll over druids pretty easily since they don’t have THAT much condi clearing. Combined with druids low damage output, condi classes can usually out-sustain a druid.

Revenants and thieves have a large enough burst to gank druids before they can out-heal the damage done.

Druids are on equal footing with bruiser types such as engi and the new coming guardian meta build. Even then druids have a disadvantage against scrappers if they go with LB(their only viable DPS weapon) for obvious reasons. I’m not even gonna mention ele, ANet destroyed their viability.

The punchline? OP’s topic is a non-issue, until we see some actual 1v1 against a decent player. I’ll even volunteer to test you out, provided you play on the EU side.

Lol this guys asked for a 1 vs 1 to prove druid is op. That’t not how 5 vs 5 works mate. In 1 vs 1 druid is fine and definitely not broken. In 1 vs 1 mesmer is broken but druid is broken in team fights because of druid stacking. Imagine that healing you saw times 5. or more if they rotate blast finishers well.

Edit: here it is: Just look at how little effort I put in and how bad I play and how rewarded I am.

Starts with full avatar , lets pet tanks 2 of the 3 npc who dont cc or burst, clicks skills like a noob, still managed to get downed. Lmfao you made my day. In a pvp match i bet all you could do is feed like a wett towel or aa from a range. Learn to play before calling anything op.. druid can indeed bunker anything 1v1 but not with this gameplay

I said I intended to make a terrible video to show even a bad druid could do ok. Gosh you haters and flamer trolls just love to talk without reason. Your not argueing anything besides calling me names if you want to prove to the devs that druid isn’t stupid easy get your evidence. Post a video of how hard you have to practice to master a druid or something.

Your only making your account look bad when you flame people. (I’m trying to help you out) I am open to some evidence indicating my point isn’t valid. I may challenge it verbally just to be sure it is valid but I will count it against myself internally when measuring my own bias.

If you look at all the nerfs I have asked for and put them together it will equate to a reduction in this ridiculous sustain and damage power creep.

If Druid were brought in line with vanilla specs then Celestial Avatar needs like a 30s CD. But compared to other OP HoT specs it seems fine.

I can agree with that. There are some pretty ridiculous builds running around on certain classes and mesmer will forever stand on top at this rate.

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Against equally skilled opponents neither can Druid lol. My power rev eats them easy alone. My thief can randomly spam head shot for 3k pulms just because every single thing druids do has an annoying cast time.

They run nearly no toughness and are ez to power spike. The healing means nothing when you have to heal up like 22k HP and have no toughness to help keep it up.

It wasn’t even strong last season and offers limited team support outside of heals and celestial shadow (yay decap your own team, or be forced to get off point for a few seconds). They give no boons to the team other than vigor, and do not give out the auras that cleric tempest did.

Uhh huh sure….lol

Very intelligent input.

Then again you made a whine thread about bunker and condi when last season we had one bunker-ish support and equal number of condi builds to power builds.

I guess I wouldn’t value your input anyway.

OP can have his druid nerfs even tho the class don’t need them. Only if ANet only nerfs Druids “ONLY” in sPvP. Other then that, this is a clear L2P issue. Just interested in what are all of the classes that OP actually play?

Zelulose.8695:

Lol this guys asked for a 1 vs 1 to prove druid is op. That’t not how 5 vs 5 works mate. In 1 vs 1 druid is fine and definitely not broken. In 1 vs 1 mesmer is broken but druid is broken in team fights because of druid stacking. Imagine that healing you saw times 5. or more if they rotate blast finishers well.

Edit: here it is: Just look at how little effort I put in and how bad I play and how rewarded I am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9kssxSvF24

So you suddenly decided to change your topic? Okay then. How does you fighting 3 NPC’s prove that druid is OP in a teamfight? Just asking. (I’m going to disregard the 2nd video since it’s no longer valid)

Might it be that you are getting thrashed because you are being stubborn and refusing to concede to other peoples valid points? Instead you dismiss them with off-handed comments and refuse to put the subject into a real conversation. Might it be that your subjective opinion is wrong?

And druid stacking? Really? The only time that works is when the opposing comp is even worse. So in other words, druid is a noob-stomper now?

That said, I’m sure you’ll dismiss everything I said with an another off-handed comment, so I’m just gonna leave this thread alone unless some of the toxicity wears off.

PS. Your video is private, so I can’t watch it.

I agree that right now Druid is extremely strong and does need a nerf. Yes it is the only class I play in pvp other than for achievements but I can see that it really is a bit too strong at the moment. When playing, I literally cannot die 1v1 unless I play badly. I mean against anyone, ESL players included and I am quite far off their skill level. I can also hold a 2v1 for a long time without losing control of the cap against engineer, rev, guard and ele or any combination of those classes. Condition classes are harder to deal with 2v1 however, especially necro.

The only class that I think has a chance of beating a good druid 1v1 is warrior. Mesmer can force me to give up the cap but I will usually win the dual in the end, everything else is an easy kill or in the case of engineers, a stalemate with the possibility of the engi losing eventually. Of course there is nothing wrong with it being so good 1v1, but when it is combined with its awesome mobility, huge single-target burst when running longbow (like I have always done) and great support, it does become too much.

I would suggest a nerf to signet of stone, maybe by making the duration as long as endure pain for warriors and nerfing the condi removal when going into celestial avatar along with reducing the healing of CA abilities. This would go a long way towards balancing druid I think because I just feel way too strong at the moment and I am surprised that druid did not get nerfed in the last balance patch.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Against equally skilled opponents neither can Druid lol. My power rev eats them easy alone. My thief can randomly spam head shot for 3k pulms just because every single thing druids do has an annoying cast time.

They run nearly no toughness and are ez to power spike. The healing means nothing when you have to heal up like 22k HP and have no toughness to help keep it up.

It wasn’t even strong last season and offers limited team support outside of heals and celestial shadow (yay decap your own team, or be forced to get off point for a few seconds). They give no boons to the team other than vigor, and do not give out the auras that cleric tempest did.

Uhh huh sure….lol

Very intelligent input.

Then again you made a whine thread about bunker and condi when last season we had one bunker-ish support and equal number of condi builds to power builds.

I guess I wouldn’t value your input anyway.

Then you see the finals and how many bunker/condi builds were actually in it….lol

He actually linked a video of Bic playing druid, as proof of druid being op. I am still laughing. You do know Bic has been playing druid a real long time, and few people can kill him when he plays glass cannon/full zerk.

In that video he is playing a glorified heal bot. Menders amulet, herald runes, and leach on staff.

Heal bot druid OP when played by above average player with team member in same apartment running full damage, news at 11.

Next someone will claim Bic killed them with condi damage, when I have never seen him run condi. He has 0 condi in the vid, although he is using generosity on the greatsword so giving you back your own condi would be possible, if he did not clear them so often with celestial form.

Sigh! The game is full of rock, paper, scissors. Most of the time a ranger is the rock to a reapers scissors, but with heal bot you hear Bic say kill the Necro next. Maybe Bic’s death makes heal bot druid op?

This nerf thread is just absurd as the majority of nerf threads. Nightmare rune op 50 percent chance to 1 sec fear on 60 second coold down to much(sarcasm).

A Druid’s weakness isn’t so much “CC spam” as it is “well-timed CC’s.”

Sure there is RaO, but that can be interrupted too, and when it is in-use it can be corrupted constantly by a Reaper for near-constant fear — or stolen by a DD — or nulled by some Chronomancers.

Interrupting Lunar Impact / Rejuvenating Tides, dodging pet F2’s, stepping outside of Natural Convergence (which can be corrupted for fear, too), and healing through AA’s pretty much ensure’s victory.

This is just one of those things where until you really play it, you can’t learn the obvious weaknesses glaring right under your nose.

Have fun entering a team-fight as a Druid. 7/10 you will be the one to be focused with all manner of CC/Immob/Spike/CondiBomb hell and be forced to pop every active defense you have just to stop melting for a few seconds.

mrauls.6519:

There should never have been a support elite spec. Everyone should be a unique form of DPS with the ability to sustain themselves…

…which creates extremely 1-dimensional gameplay and balance. Under such a system teams would just stack whichever build has the best DPS-to-survivability ratio and call it a day.

People need to realize that just because they got traumatized by WoW’s crap doesn’t mean that all vaguely trinity-esque systems are bad.

If they wan’t to add the holy trinity again they should let us vote because it will change the game drastically.

Again as long as these nerfs are contained to the noncompetitive sPvP game mode players, and don’t persist into WvW or PvE I’ll be completely fine. At this point sPvP game mode can burn for all I’ll care and I’ll still be happy in GW2. Even tho Druid is still not OP in sPvP when played against a player, with more then half of a brain of his or her own.

But remember ANet after you nerf Druid and Scrapper, you’ll lose even more of your playerbase that don’t like to play brain dead condi builds. In the end ANet you’ll find your quest to please the players that want fire, stealth, and forget attacks. That you’ve pushed away most of your actual playerbase “gamewide” meaning even less income and business for you.

If you notice ANet the thing that most of these condi players are actually crying and lobbing to you for, is absolute and total supremacy, they are only a very select few players in your game who just want even more effortless wins, they don’t care if there is a playerbase to play with at the end of the river. They don’t care for competition. They don’t even care if there is a player base in the end. They’ll just jump games to go troll and ruin another’s naive Dev Team’s game, for the only their personal sake. They only care about boosting their own EGOs just to “feel better” about their sadistic existence.

Instead ANet throw more polls attach to the in-game mail system. This will allow the chance for every one that plays, not just the people here on the forums to give yall valuable input and opinions about the needs of nerfs, buffs, and changes to the professions {{BEFORE YOU DO THEM}}.

Non condi players are gravitating to such builds that are with Scrapper and Druid because, they are the only two classes left that can deal with condi burst bombing without dying in 4 secs, and still be able to deal with power spikes to a degree. The way that condition damage works in sPvP and WvW is highly wrong and broken, you don’t believe me ANet send a ingame mail tied to a poll. Let others tell you their opinions instead of just listening to the players on these forums.