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Yep, it is absolutely kitten how long this ability has remained where it is lol.

2 seconds invuln every 10 … surely screames balanced, right?

At jportell, do you wish to know what your gtfo skill is when you engage melee? Yes, thats right. Swap to staff and press n2. BF is such a major spoil it’s not even funny, and one of the main reasons, you don’t need to spec at least somewhat tanky and can instead roll on glass-cannon specs.
There is no such thing as a ‘melee mesmer’, as statedly nicely and clearly by Med.
Stop whining like a 5 yo, because it gets old seeing all your posts scream ’don’t balance my fav profession, qq’ while ignoring all sound analyses and arguments as to why the nerf is more than warranted.

KarlaGrey.5903:

At jportell, do you wish to know what your gtfo skill is when you engage melee? Yes, thats right. Swap to staff and press n2. BF is such a major spoil it’s not even funny, and one of the main reasons, you don’t need to spec at least somewhat tanky and can instead roll on glass-cannon specs.
There is no such thing as a ‘melee mesmer’, as statedly nicely and clearly by Med.
Stop whining like a 5 yo, because it gets old seeing all your posts scream ’don’t balance my fav profession, qq’ while ignoring all sound analyses and arguments as to why the nerf is more than warranted.

ignore jportell, pointless to argue with him.

Indeed, arguments appear to bounce off him like a rubber ball off a brick wall.

KarlaGrey.5903:

At jportell, do you wish to know what your gtfo skill is when you engage melee? Yes, thats right. Swap to staff and press n2. BF is such a major spoil it’s not even funny, and one of the main reasons, you don’t need to spec at least somewhat tanky and can instead roll on glass-cannon specs.
There is no such thing as a ‘melee mesmer’, as statedly nicely and clearly by Med.
Stop whining like a 5 yo, because it gets old seeing all your posts scream ’don’t balance my fav profession, qq’ while ignoring all sound analyses and arguments as to why the nerf is more than warranted.

Errr…. people in this thread are basically saying mesmer are not OP at the moment. Basing a nerf on the numbers on one skill is kidda crazy and insane.

Yea there isnt a melee mesmer, but mesmer can reengage for maximum damage.

Most of your arguments really does not truly describe the mesmer.
Choas field? what? every mesmer knows what choas storm is because it the best defense aoe that the mesmer has.

I wouldn’t support any “reworking” of the sword that turned it into a ranged weapon. The idea of a melee mage is one I deeply love and it’s what attracted me to GW2 in the first place. I can’t imagine players tied to other classes would appreciate having their most-loved mechanics gutted out.

I believe this to be a joke of some sort.

Mesmer is already the class with the poorest utility skills list in terms of numbers. Mantras do not work and are a failed mechanic. With the recent nerf on quickness, mesmers are left with no real elite skill of impact, just a lame hide skill or a laughable “here comes the moa bird” skill.

Blurred freny is a good sword skill with decent damage output, but we still have to deal with a bugged leap ability and the fact that is a stationary skill. So leave as it is, just sort the bugs.

The fact that i have to deal in all mmos i have played with consistent crying about a given class is a direct result of the lack of hability of some players to find a way to counter a specific class, because those players want to carry a setup viable against all classes, play in pve and pvp with same build and just spam buttons.

This is why GW1 with the cross skill system is way ahead of any mmorpg in the market when it comes to pvp. Everyone can use almost all skills available for all classes, with direct relation to class atributes, so there are no crying babies.

Let’s give all glass cannons a 25% uptime invul in their offensive trees. Mesmers have the strongest utility skills out of all the classes. No other class comes close, yet the current meta sees none of the shatter mesmers investing a single utility skill to survive longer (they’d have access to 2 stealth abilities and AoE condition cleanse among other things, instead they just opt for illusion of life, portal and mirror images (requires target), that is almost never used as a stun breaker but instead to double shatter, so that they basically decide to run without a single stun breaker on their utility bar).

Every other glass cannon build outside of the mesmer will heavily invest in survivability through utilities in return, simply because they have to. How can any mesmers even argue that there’s nothing wrong with that?

Med.6150:

Let’s give all glass cannons a 25% uptime invul in their offensive trees. Mesmers have the strongest utility skills out of all the classes. No other class comes close, yet the current meta sees none of the shatter mesmers investing a single utility skill to survive longer (they’d have access to 2 stealth abilities and AoE condition cleanse among other things, instead they just opt for illusion of life, portal and mirror images (requires target), that is almost never used as a stun breaker but instead to double shatter, so that they basically decide to run without a single stun breaker on their utility bar).

Every other glass cannon build outside of the mesmer will heavily invest in survivability through utilities in return, simply because they have to. How can any mesmers even argue that there’s nothing wrong with that?

The reason we bring iol and portal is teams require it… Leaving us with that one stun break… Basically if we don’t bring that we aren’t wanted on a team…. other classes can spec heavily into survivability without having to worry about what their team wants cuz their team just wants them to survive… see the difference? We would be more survivable if we didn’t have to bring certain utilities to appease our team… You kind of just made the argument as to why it shouldn’t be nerfed… Thanks and gg

jportell.2197:

Med.6150:

Let’s give all glass cannons a 25% uptime invul in their offensive trees. Mesmers have the strongest utility skills out of all the classes. No other class comes close, yet the current meta sees none of the shatter mesmers investing a single utility skill to survive longer (they’d have access to 2 stealth abilities and AoE condition cleanse among other things, instead they just opt for illusion of life, portal and mirror images (requires target), that is almost never used as a stun breaker but instead to double shatter, so that they basically decide to run without a single stun breaker on their utility bar).

Every other glass cannon build outside of the mesmer will heavily invest in survivability through utilities in return, simply because they have to. How can any mesmers even argue that there’s nothing wrong with that?

The reason we bring iol and portal is teams require it… Leaving us with that one stun break… Basically if we don’t bring that we aren’t wanted on a team…. other classes can spec heavily into survivability without having to worry about what their team wants cuz their team just wants them to survive… see the difference? We would be more survivable if we didn’t have to bring certain utilities to appease our team… You kind of just made the argument as to why it shouldn’t be nerfed… Thanks and gg

Great logic there, except you haven’t explained why people wouldn’t take a class to their team that has great CC capabilities with staff, focus & sword (AoE daze, AoE immobilize, AoE pull, instant AoE burst damage on a 11s CD that rivals anyone’s, a 4s invul on a < 47s cooldown and a staggered single target daze for up to 4s). I am not even going into the phantasm damage that you get on top of that as soon as you summon them.

If you wanted to explain what a strawman argument looks like to everybody, you couldn’t have done a better job. Well done.

Med.6150:

jportell.2197:

Med.6150:

Let’s give all glass cannons a 25% uptime invul in their offensive trees. Mesmers have the strongest utility skills out of all the classes. No other class comes close, yet the current meta sees none of the shatter mesmers investing a single utility skill to survive longer (they’d have access to 2 stealth abilities and AoE condition cleanse among other things, instead they just opt for illusion of life, portal and mirror images (requires target), that is almost never used as a stun breaker but instead to double shatter, so that they basically decide to run without a single stun breaker on their utility bar).

Every other glass cannon build outside of the mesmer will heavily invest in survivability through utilities in return, simply because they have to. How can any mesmers even argue that there’s nothing wrong with that?

The reason we bring iol and portal is teams require it… Leaving us with that one stun break… Basically if we don’t bring that we aren’t wanted on a team…. other classes can spec heavily into survivability without having to worry about what their team wants cuz their team just wants them to survive… see the difference? We would be more survivable if we didn’t have to bring certain utilities to appease our team… You kind of just made the argument as to why it shouldn’t be nerfed… Thanks and gg

Great logic there, except you haven’t explained why people wouldn’t take a class to their team that has great CC capabilities with staff, focus & sword (AoE daze, AoE immobilize, AoE pull, instant AoE burst damage on a 11s CD that rivals anyone’s, a 4s invul on a < 47s cooldown and a staggered single target daze for up to 4s). I am not even going into the phantasm damage that you get on top of that as soon as you summon them.

If you wanted to explain what a strawman argument looks like to everybody, you couldn’t have done a better job. Well done.

…. temperal curtain have a 25 second cooldown and the phastasm is nearly worthless in pvp……

Mind wreak require clones to shatter which means the mesmer have to burn the cd on other skills to use it…..

daze shatter dont stack duration……

i dont think you understand the mesmer……

mesmer is pretty slow and average dps and great burst. people dont want to lose tournies you know. hgh condition engineer brings so much more damage support than a mesmer

Med.6150:

Let’s give all glass cannons a 25% uptime invul in their offensive trees. Mesmers have the strongest utility skills out of all the classes. No other class comes close, yet the current meta sees none of the shatter mesmers investing a single utility skill to survive longer (they’d have access to 2 stealth abilities and AoE condition cleanse among other things, instead they just opt for illusion of life, portal and mirror images (requires target), that is almost never used as a stun breaker but instead to double shatter, so that they basically decide to run without a single stun breaker on their utility bar).

Every other glass cannon build outside of the mesmer will heavily invest in survivability through utilities in return, simply because they have to. How can any mesmers even argue that there’s nothing wrong with that?

Your arguments are so skewed it’s becoming embarassing.
I know another class that doesn’t take any stunbreaker on their utility bar. Necromancer. Can you please go spam in their forums that they need to be nerfed because they don’t take any stun breaker on their bar ?

You haven’t explained why Infiltrator’s Strike is not on the “MUST NERF LIST” of the almighty Med. No other skill in game comes even close to Infiltrator’s Strike : spamable double port, immobilize, stun breaker , condition remover. Can mesmers get Infiltrator’s Strike instead of Blurred Frenzy ? I would be fine with it!

Stop being stuck on the idea of a skill being OP and take in consideration the whole class and how it performs in the real enviroment.

And what every other glass cannon ? There’s 2 glass cannons that work in tpvp : thief ( your class ) and mesmer. Except shadowstep how does a thief invest heavily in survability ? Shadow Refuge is more of a team utility just like portal, even if you sometimes use it to save yourself. Mesmers use portal to save themselves too you know.

Warriors? The few warriors that are left in tPVP bring only stability and that’s usually used so they can stay on target.

And please stop using Illusionary Leap stun breaker as a sign of how Sword MH Mesmer is OP. That’s clearly an unintended bug and it will be fixed probably. The tooltip mentions nothing about stunbreaking. Asking for blurred frenzy nerf because of a bug on Illusionary Leap defies logic.

loseridoit.2756:

…. temperal curtain have a 25 second cooldown and the phastasm is nearly worthless in pvp……

Temporal curtain is one of the strongest CC abilities in the entire game. You make it sound like 25s CD is a lot for a ground target AoE pull.

Mind wreak require clones to shatter which means the mesmer have to burn the cd on other skills to use it…..

Mesmers have a very high uptime on vigor and every single dodge will summon a clone in this build. There’s no ICD on it either.

daze shatter dont stack duration……

Which is why I said “a staggered single target daze”. Have you ever tried healing through a full diversion? It will go like this:The first illusion will daze you for a second, you will stun break and heal and here comes the second illusion, which was running up to you interrupting your heal. Depending on how the illusions are converging on your opponent, you will get up to 4s of daze and multiple chances to interrupt a critical ability due to that, negating stun breakers used in the process on top of that.

i dont think you understand the mesmer……

Okay.

mesmer is pretty slow and average dps and great burst. people dont want to lose tournies you know. hgh condition engineer brings so much more damage support than a mesmer

HGH engi is currently considered too powerful. Regardless, HGH engis have no where near the burst, the CC or the survivability of the standard meta mesmer.

Med.6150:

loseridoit.2756:

…. temperal curtain have a 25 second cooldown and the phastasm is nearly worthless in pvp……

Temporal curtain is one of the strongest CC abilities in the entire game. You make it sound like 25s CD is a lot for a ground target AoE pull.

Mind wreak require clones to shatter which means the mesmer have to burn the cd on other skills to use it…..

Mesmers have a very high uptime on vigor and every single dodge will summon a clone in this build. There’s no ICD on it either.

[qute]
daze shatter dont stack duration……

Which is why I said “a staggered single target daze”. Have you ever tried healing through a full diversion? I will go like this, The first illusion will daze you for a second, you will stun break and heal and here comes the second illusion, which was running up to you interrupting your heal. Depending on how the illusions are converging on your opponent, you will get up to 4s of daze and multiple chances to interrupt a critical ability due to that, negating stun breakers used in the process on top of that.

i dont think you understand the mesmer……

Okay.

mesmer is pretty slow and average dps and great burst. people dont want to lose tournies you know. hgh condition engineer brings so much more damage support than a mesmer

HGH engi is currently considered too powerful. Regardless, HGH engis have no where near the burst, the CC or the survivability of the standard meta mesmer.[/quote]

Yes but HGH engis have something else staying power… Constant condition cleanse+application and full uptime on might… Currently HGH engis blow mesmers out of the water.

Shay.7534:

Your arguments are so skewed it’s becoming embarassing.
I know another class that doesn’t take any stunbreaker on their utility bar. Necromancer. Can you please go spam in their forums that they need to be nerfed because they don’t take any stun breaker on their bar ?

If Necromancers said that they need to slot a rezz utility to be more appealing to their team, they’d have much more of an argument. How many Necromancers do you see nowadays btw? They may or may not slot a stun breaker, but they certainly have no other way to deal with focus than using Death Shroud or their Plague elite. Necromancers are sitting ducks and everybody realizes that, so that they have to be careful and not get caught. The same is not true for the mesmer.

You haven’t explained why Infiltrator’s Strike is not on the “MUST NERF LIST” of the almighty Med. No other skill in game comes even close to Infiltrator’s Strike : spamable double port, immobilize, stun breaker , condition remover. Can mesmers get Infiltrator’s Strike instead of Blurred Frenzy ? I would be fine with it!

Infiltrator’s Strike is a very powerful ability. It’s however not a stun breaker, unless you have placed it beforehand. Yet, with all the stealth and a stun breaker on demand (again, you better have placed it before hand, because only Shadow Return will break stuns, Infiltrator’s won’t), thieves will still opt for more survivability in terms of an additional stealth and another stun break on their utility bar and still are more vulnerable than a mesmer. Thieves have no kind of invulnerability whatsoever.

And what every other glass cannon ? There’s 2 glass cannons that work in tpvp : thief and mesmer. Except shadowstep how does a thief invest heavily in survability ? Shadow Refuge is more of a team utility just like portal, even if you sometimes use it to save yourself. Mesmers use portal to save themselves too you know.

Thieves use Refuge and Shadowstep. If we were generous, we could say that portal (90s CD) is used as a semi-survival tool. So who is investing more in survival at this point? You decide.

Warriors? The few warriors that are left in tPVP bring only stability and that’s usually used so they can stay on target.

Warriors play glass cannons. They are running a shield in offhand that is nowehere close to blurred frenzy in neither CD nor effect. Warriors use Endure Pain and/or Balanced Stance. They do not have access to good survival utilites to pick and choose from.

Warriors are considered the worst class currently precisely because they have very low sustain and poor utilities. Warriors are a tenfold more vulnerable in their glass cannon spec than mesmers, even though they have much higher base stats for armor and HPs.

Med.6150:

Temporal curtain is one of the strongest CC abilities in the entire game. You make it sound like 25s CD is a lot for a ground target AoE pull.

yea because the #5 focus phastasm is worthless. I mention two cons to the focus. Not one.

Med.6150:

Mesmers have a very high uptime on vigor and every single dodge will summon a clone in this build. There’s no ICD on it either.

OK, which build are you talking about? Shatter mesmer dont spec in the inspiration line because the popular build is 20/20/0/0/30

Which is why I said “a staggered single target daze”. Have you ever tried healing through a full diversion? It will go like this:The first illusion will daze you for a second, you will stun break and heal and here comes the second illusion, which was running up to you interrupting your heal. Depending on how the illusions are converging on your opponent, you will get up to 4s of daze and multiple chances to interrupt a critical ability due to that, negating stun breakers used in the process on top of that.

At most you only get 2 second daze if the person is lucky. Clones tend to shatter at the same time So basically, stacking up to 2 seconds is lucky. I trying to figure out where the 4 second daze come from

jportell.2197:

Which is why I said “a staggered single target daze”. Have you ever tried healing through a full diversion? I will go like this, The first illusion will daze you for a second, you will stun break and heal and here comes the second illusion, which was running up to you interrupting your heal. Depending on how the illusions are converging on your opponent, you will get up to 4s of daze and multiple chances to interrupt a critical ability due to that, negating stun breakers used in the process on top of that.

So when you are getting burst by a mesmer and the first instinct is to heal through the daze?
I dont even understand what you are saying.

HGH engi is currently considered too powerful. Regardless, HGH engis have no where near the burst, the CC or the survivability of the standard meta mesmer.

Yes but HGH engis have something else staying power… Constant condition cleanse+application and full uptime on might… Currently HGH engis blow mesmers out of the water. [/quote]
Tournaments are heavily based on flavor of the month builds. The fact that the mesmer are not OP is the reason why there could only be 1 mesmer per team.

loseridoit.2756:

mention two cons to the focus. Not one.

Med.6150:

Mesmers have a very high uptime on vigor and every single dodge will summon a clone in this build. There’s no ICD on it either.

OK, which build are you talking about? Shatter mesmer dont spec in the inspiration line because the popular build is 20/20/0/0/30

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not playing the shatter build you so eloquently quoted. Else you would realize that I was talking about Critical Infusion and Deceptive Evasion.

At most you only get 2 second daze if the person is lucky. Clones tend to shatter at the same time So basically, stacking up to 2 seconds is lucky. I trying to figure out where the 4 second daze come from

Illusions shatter when they get in range. If your opponent is kiting away to heal, which is when you want to shatter, the illusions will chase him and depending on where they were, they will arrive with some delay inbetween each other. The first daze will come from yourself, making it a potential 4s daze and multiple interrupts, just like I stated previously.

loseridoit.2756:

jportell.2197:

Which is why I said “a staggered single target daze”. Have you ever tried healing through a full diversion? I will go like this, The first illusion will daze you for a second, you will stun break and heal and here comes the second illusion, which was running up to you interrupting your heal. Depending on how the illusions are converging on your opponent, you will get up to 4s of daze and multiple chances to interrupt a critical ability due to that, negating stun breakers used in the process on top of that.

So when you are getting burst by a mesmer and the first instinct is to heal through the daze?
I dont even understand what you are saying.

HGH engi is currently considered too powerful. Regardless, HGH engis have no where near the burst, the CC or the survivability of the standard meta mesmer.

Yes but HGH engis have something else staying power… Constant condition cleanse+application and full uptime on might… Currently HGH engis blow mesmers out of the water.

Tournaments are heavily based on flavor of the month builds. The fact that the mesmer are not OP is the reason why there could only be 1 mesmer per team.
[/quote]

FYI that first quote was not from me… Med messed up in his C&P somewhere It was from him.

If it were to be nerfed, keep it in PvP please. Mesmers lack a lot of the defensive abilities that other classes can afford in my opinion. Our evades are pretty much all we have, and we only have 2. Distortion is on 45cd minimum, and BF is either used offensively or defensively. Here’s a thought: force the mesmer to use it, then start doing your damage after? I think each class has a way to soak up or avoid/mitigate lots of damage, whether it be a heal or an evade/block or anything else like that. Should we nerf all of those abilities too?

I think BF is fine personally, as you can stunbreak out of it’s obvious incoming and negate the mesmers entire burst right then and there. If you’re not taking a stunbreak to get out of a skill you obviously know you need to get out of, then that’s entirely on you.

Med.6150:

loseridoit.2756:

mention two cons to the focus. Not one.

Med.6150:

Mesmers have a very high uptime on vigor and every single dodge will summon a clone in this build. There’s no ICD on it either.

OK, which build are you talking about? Shatter mesmer dont spec in the inspiration line because the popular build is 20/20/0/0/30

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not playing the shatter build you so eloquently quoted. Else you would realize that I was talking about Critical Infusion and Deceptive Evasion.

ahh, i am always unlucky with rng in games. I believe that is why I have problems noticing the vigor boon because it procs when i dont need to dodge in the beginning of the battle. Usually the battle is over in a few seconds anyways

Med.6150:

Illusions shatter when they get in range. If your opponent is kiting away to heal, which is when you want to shatter, the illusions will chase him and depending on where they were, they will arrive with some delay inbetween each other. The first daze will come from yourself, making it a potential 4s daze and multiple interrupts, just like I stated previously.

Ahhh… trying to chase a class with diversion. I believe mesmer already have i leap to get the mesmer in position for another mind wreak.

This thread has moved from a rational conversation to an all out attack at the mesmer profession.

Beautifully done. Let this hate guide you a bit more.

Perhaps you might be able to beat mesmers, drown them in a sea of tears and qq.

Carry on

Vanthian.9267:

Embolism.8106:

Vanthian.9267:

Also, to the “they have no boons” argument… You can easily trait for protection on gaining regeneration.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Healing
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Membrane

If you want to participate in this debate you should at least have a decent knowledge of the profession being discussed. Illusionary Membrane is on a 15s CD and the Protection procced is very short.

Considering I linked them, I believe you are completely off thinking I don’t know how they work. The fact I was pointing out to all the Mesmer’s crying rivers is that the “No boons” argument is stupid and unjustified as you have boons.

If you want to try and call people out, you should be more intelligent about who you pick. As you have failed horribly here.

Alright. Explain to me how 3s Protection on a 15s CD which a Mesmer cannot reliably trigger when they need it helps.

If you can’t then my point stands.

Melee roles are meant to have some method of actually surviving while in Melee. Some professions have it built in with Heavy Armor and/or things like Guardian virtues.

Mesmers wear light armor and our Illusions only work as a defense if we can keep them between ourselves and our enemies. Thus, our Melee weapon has built in defenses to make that role viable. It’s easy to avoid and roots us in place while we channel it, but it also makes us invulnerable.

You’ll notice a similar trend with many Ranger/Thief Melee weapons. In general, Melee weapons need two things. A way to close the gap and maintain Melee range, and the ability to survive once you get there. Some weapons do this as a hit and run method and some via a maneuverability method.

SIX PAGES AND GROWING!!! WE CAN DO IT GUYS!!!

Dest.7410:

This thread has moved from a rational conversation to an all out attack at the mesmer profession.

Beautifully done. Let this hate guide you a bit more.

Perhaps you might be able to beat mesmers, drown them in a sea of tears and qq.

Carry on

Shouldnt you make some kind of illusion to hide the sadness? That post didnt cut it.

People defending this class to such an extent make me turn away in disgust.
Just like for BM ronger, or any ronger for that matter.
Horrid class designs are horrid, and players riding on that wave of overperformance are sad.

GankSinatra.2653:

Dest.7410:

This thread has moved from a rational conversation to an all out attack at the mesmer profession.

Beautifully done. Let this hate guide you a bit more.

Perhaps you might be able to beat mesmers, drown them in a sea of tears and qq.

Carry on

Shouldnt you make some kind of illusion to hide the sadness? That post didnt cut it.

As did yours. But you have obviously so much to add to the conversation.

KarlaGrey.5903:

People defending this class to such an extent make me turn away in disgust.
Just like for BM ronger, or any ronger for that matter.
Horrid class designs are horrid, and players riding on that wave of overperformance are sad.

First, r*a*nger

Horrid class designs? A bit late to whine about that aren’t you? Or do you mean horrid class designs that kill me only?

Dest.7410:

KarlaGrey.5903:

People defending this class to such an extent make me turn away in disgust.
Just like for BM ronger, or any ronger for that matter.
Horrid class designs are horrid, and players riding on that wave of overperformance are sad.

First, r*a*nger

Horrid class designs? A bit late to whine about that aren’t you? Or do you mean horrid class designs that kill me only?

And currently she is playing a condition mancer build… Which should wipe the freaking floor with mesmers esp in a 1v1. Because guess what no shatter mes has? Condition cleanse! Unless they forgo a stunbreak to get it. But since mesmer condition removal is very subpar compared to other classes most mesmers run the stun break to help avoid the damage…. But apparently that’s too OP so nerf it! /sarcasm

JP(ortall) there’s no sense arguing with anyone calling for a nerf. If they are to inept to realize that the skill is fine and the balance around mesmer both 1v1 and team fight us fine. it’s best to stop posting and letting this die.

No nerfs will happen anyways. The focus for May is bug fixes right (unless it changed I’m out of date since I’m no home for the next little while) And if it does the mesmer community will cause a ruckes or adapt.

Anet knows we’re pretty balanced but it’s still Beta 3.0 right now. Lol ^^

Anyone losing to mes now a 5 sec increase to blurred frenzy won’t save the scrubs.

With all this said I still think phant build is cheesy like BM roam ranger.

No, ronger. I do not acknowledge such a class design worthy of being called by its normal name.

KarlaGrey.5903:

No, ronger. I do not acknowledge such a class design worthy of being called by its normal name.

Please, give us the ranger then. Anytime.

Dest.7410:

GankSinatra.2653:

Dest.7410:

This thread has moved from a rational conversation to an all out attack at the mesmer profession.

Beautifully done. Let this hate guide you a bit more.

Perhaps you might be able to beat mesmers, drown them in a sea of tears and qq.

Carry on

Shouldnt you make some kind of illusion to hide the sadness? That post didnt cut it.

As did yours. But you have obviously so much to add to the conversation.

Ironic, considering the post i quoted. Also weak retort but i didnt expect much more.

I dont really want or need a conversation with you either. I just hope that arenanet takes the hint after 6 pages, obviously many people agree that the mesmer class plays itself and is utterly straightforward, like dogpoo filled with flashy firecrackers if you will, which obviously appeals to a large demographic. Just dont get tubhurt when people that have extensively played a mesmer along with other classes give their opinion on what they percieve as a joke class.

GankSinatra.2653:

Dest.7410:

GankSinatra.2653:

Dest.7410:

This thread has moved from a rational conversation to an all out attack at the mesmer profession.

Beautifully done. Let this hate guide you a bit more.

Perhaps you might be able to beat mesmers, drown them in a sea of tears and qq.

Carry on

Shouldnt you make some kind of illusion to hide the sadness? That post didnt cut it.

As did yours. But you have obviously so much to add to the conversation.

Ironic, considering the post i quoted. Also weak retort but i didnt expect much more.

I dont really want or need a conversation with you either. I just hope that arenanet takes the hint after 6 pages, obviously many people agree that the mesmer class plays itself and is utterly straightforward, like dogpoo filled with flashy firecrackers if you will, which obviously appeals to a large demographic. Just dont get tubhurt when people that have extensively played a mesmer along with other classes give their opinion on what they percieve as a joke class.

One OP that plays Mesmer from “time to time” is not the definitive expert of the class… just no… And the other ones dropped the Mesmer.

Med.6150:

Let’s give all glass cannons a 25% uptime invul in their offensive trees. Mesmers have the strongest utility skills out of all the classes. No other class comes close(…)

I play a mesmer since beta, but i think i have been playing it the wrong way.

So, following your post, can you please enlighten me by presenting viable pvp builds using all the diferent utility skills?. I would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Im most curious about your insights in builds using mantras or signets. Will be waiting thank you.

As this discussion has run it’s course, it is closed.