Nerf chronomancer hard
^ this guy speaks the truth
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
Gandara
Not that I’m calling your picture a fake, but how exactly do you figure that drawing sloppy red lines on a screenshot is equal to proof that you don’t know how to photoshop better than that? What stops you from doing a quality shop and then opening the result in mspaint for a couple sloppy red lines?
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with long time mesmer mains
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Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
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Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
Lies! you were a ranger main! lololol
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Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
Lies! you were a ranger main! lololol
I was but ranger is dead =(. Druid killed it.
I still have more than half of my hours on ranger though
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Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
So since I have 4k hours on mes, I can just say you’re wrong and should be ignored, and there’s nothing you can bring to argue the point.
Sweet, that was easy XD
Funnily enough Moa has now been heavily nerfed and condi’s HAVE been cut in half XD
Have the condis been cut in half? I thought it was just Moa that was reduced to 6 seconds. Anyway, Chronomancer has been nerfed, maybe wasn’t what I wanted but it should be left alone now that it has been done. Or given back the 10 second moa.
So since I have 4k hours on mes, I can just say you’re wrong and should be ignored, and there’s nothing you can bring to argue the point.
Sweet, that was easy XD
Funnily enough Moa has now been heavily nerfed and condi’s HAVE been cut in half XD
are we playing same game?
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So since I have 4k hours on mes, I can just say you’re wrong and should be ignored, and there’s nothing you can bring to argue the point.
Sweet, that was easy XD
Funnily enough Moa has now been heavily nerfed and condi’s HAVE been cut in half XD
are we playing same game?
This is Ross, leader of the GW2 Harlem Globtrotters, master of the Valkzerker and Killshot. So yes we are but he being himself making fun of people.
Sachyi Asuna. A [KING]’s Mesmer Unified Kingdom
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible. Ever since June of last year, and especially with HoT, everything had become about BUFFFFS. So every profession has 1 good build and everything else is not just garbage, but suicide. It’s like trying to balance a scale with elephants. You can do it, but you’re only gonna get about 1 elephant on each plate, and it’s gonna be hella difficult.
I would love it if everyone played with garbage. Maybe then skill would start mattering and build diversity wouldn’t be suicide.
Also @people who think 620 hours isn’t that long, i didnt say i was a full time player. But it’s more than enough to understand the profession and how it is what it wasn’t meant to be
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Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.
Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.
Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.
Mesmer was fine before HoT. It wasn’t top tier, but I call that a good thing. It could veil in WvW, was a great roamer, could duel in PvP and it’s support in dungeons was decent too. The mesmer I remember was the margin profession. It was great. What makes you so bitter about it? And why do you prefer the streamlined, purple thing Anet spat out in October?
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
Power mesmer was perfectly fine post June patch and until HoT. So maybe there are some of the complaints are from mesmers and many others just want to go undo the power creep and get instead the side-grade they bought the expansion for. Though those ones usually target broader than mesmer.
Personally as a player (who is not playing much mesmer recently) I never really felt condi mesmer OP. When I die to someone, I just assume I need to improve my own skills. But I do miss the pre-HoT time, when I felt I would play many different builds and still be useful, when there was not AOE CC flying around from every direction etc…
So I did feel condi chrono was too strong, and I did suggest nerfs. And I am not overly happy about the moa change, but it is a minor patch and I guess they just wanted a quick fix to the balance before the season starts.
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.
Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.
Mesmer was fine before HoT. It wasn’t top tier, but I call that a good thing. It could veil in WvW, was a great roamer, could duel in PvP and it’s support in dungeons was decent too. The mesmer I remember was the margin profession. It was great. What makes you so bitter about it? And why do you prefer the streamlined, purple thing Anet spat out in October?
Duel lol! While 1v1’s happen in PvP the game mode isn’t about dueling so go some where else with that crude. It’s why there’s such animosity towards the class now.
And then you want to bring a one trick pony roaming build into the conversation and veil. I speak from my experience but not many people want that. Running the same thing over and over again because OMG that’s all you can do sucks. Try it some time.
And then we get to the key part of your sentence. It was a marginal class and you liked it. Seriously? You like licking up dirt when trying to run a power shatter build because a decent thief will wreck your kitten in 2 seconds? Give me a break.
Actual Mesmer mains are bitter because we constantly get screwed over. Anet took a step on the right direction with preHot with the pistol trait but oh no too strong can’t have that. MtD? Nerfed almost immediately. The list literally goes on forever, they cannot get anything right with the class. If they buff us it’s on completely unused traits or weapons. I mean, how many people use furious interuptions? Probably no one but they buffed it. Scepter and OH sword got buff but I think I’m the only person that actively uses OH sword simply because I’m an idiot and like S/S staff power shatter.
So excuse me for saying in you 600 hours of play time you have no idea what you’re talking about. You don’t know how confusion damage has been monkeyed with so many times it’s ridiculous. Or the glory of Pyros immortal Mesmer before it was nerfed, rather nuked, into the ground.
You want everything to suck and have horrible builds? That’s crazy. The potential for every class to have multiple builds viable at high levels of play is there if Anet would take the time to properly balance the game.
Heck id volunteer my time to do it but that’s beside the point.
Sachyi Asuna. A [KING]’s Mesmer Unified Kingdom
Mesmer was fine before HoT. It wasn’t top tier, but I call that a good thing.
Mesmer was fine? Ok, lets see your arguments.
It could veil in WvW,
Be still my heart, it was useful for pressing one utility skill and then going afk the rest of the fight.
was a great roamer
Sure, this is true.
could duel in PvP
Top tier dueling server profession, for sure. Unfortunately for anybody that actually played PvP, being great in dueling servers didn’t translate at all into the actual game.
and it’s support in dungeons was decent too.
If by “decent” you mean “outclassed by guardians in both support and utility with the single exception of being able to portal” then sure…
The mesmer I remember was the margin profession. It was great. What makes you so bitter about it? And why do you prefer the streamlined, purple thing Anet spat out in October?
Yeah, the mesmer you remember never existed. You remember a modified history where the class wasn’t nearly as useless as it actually was.
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.
Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.
See, I’d compare your 620 hours vs any mesmer main with 4000+ hours who’ve pretty much played Mesmer exclusively, trying all the various builds that’ve come along aswell as theory crafting their own, combating all the shifting metas, following all the nerfs, buffs, QoL issues etc, over the entire course of the game since release (not to mention those who’ve come right through from the pre release betas).
So yah, I don’t know when you got your 620 hours in, but you certainly lack a full scope which is evident purely on the things you say.
Im sure it sucks for you to be stuck in that position as there’s really not a lot you can do about it (except perhaps study history, and take note from those who were there). That said, don’t be surprised when people disagree with you when they’re in a far more authoritative position to do so XD
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.
Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.
See, I’d compare your 620 hours vs any mesmer main with 4000+ hours who’ve pretty much played Mesmer exclusively, trying all the various builds that’ve come along aswell as theory crafting their own, combating all the shifting metas, following all the nerfs, buffs, QoL issues etc, over the entire course of the game since release (not to mention those who’ve come right through from the pre release betas).
So yah, I don’t know when you got your 620 hours in, but you certainly lack a full scope which is evident purely on the things you say.
Im sure it sucks for you to be stuck in that position as there’s really not a lot you can do about it (except perhaps study history, and take note from those who were there). That said, don’t be surprised when people disagree with you when they’re in a far more authoritative position to do so XD
You think MY position sucks? That a bunch of people with 4000 kittening hours on one profession on one video game disagree with me that their profession needs to be nerfed? What a surprise. I think if you stepped out of mesmer land for a breath of fresh air, you’ll find that I’m on the more lenient, understanding and knowledgeble side of the mesmer “haters”.
Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.
It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains
Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.
Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)
But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.
You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.
Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.
Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.
That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.
Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.
See, I’d compare your 620 hours vs any mesmer main with 4000+ hours who’ve pretty much played Mesmer exclusively, trying all the various builds that’ve come along aswell as theory crafting their own, combating all the shifting metas, following all the nerfs, buffs, QoL issues etc, over the entire course of the game since release (not to mention those who’ve come right through from the pre release betas).
So yah, I don’t know when you got your 620 hours in, but you certainly lack a full scope which is evident purely on the things you say.
Im sure it sucks for you to be stuck in that position as there’s really not a lot you can do about it (except perhaps study history, and take note from those who were there). That said, don’t be surprised when people disagree with you when they’re in a far more authoritative position to do so XD
You think MY position sucks? That a bunch of people with 4000 kittening hours on one profession on one video game disagree with me that their profession needs to be nerfed? What a surprise. I think if you stepped out of mesmer land for a breath of fresh air, you’ll find that I’m on the more lenient, understanding and knowledgeble side of the mesmer “haters”.
I’m just saying, it’d be nice if you were anywhere within the vicinity of mesmer land.
It’s like you’re trying to give a history lesson on a country you’ve never even heard of XD
PvP people have always used “balance” as a buzzword for “I don’t like losing duels to this class”.
Mesmer and thieves are the ultimate classes to frustrate/annoy people in 1v1 situations, so naturally they’re the ones that demand most nerfs.
Unfortunately when developers decided to move away from the GW1 mesmer’s theme of control and shutdown and introduced the visual clutter of clones and their terrible implementation of stealth with little counter play to said stealth, they doomed the classes that use these things to be the most complained about regardless of their overall balance.
And people won’t stop the QQ until said specs are erased from relevance, much like how they saw spirit rangers and any offensive ranger for that matter gutted to hell as well as any minionmancer.
PvP people have always used “balance” as a buzzword for “I don’t like losing duels to this class”.
Mesmer and thieves are the ultimate classes to frustrate/annoy people in 1v1 situations, so naturally they’re the ones that demand most nerfs.
Unfortunately when developers decided to move away from the GW1 mesmer’s theme of control and shutdown and introduced the visual clutter of clones and their terrible implementation of stealth with little counter play to said stealth, they doomed the classes that use these things to be the most complained about regardless of their overall balance.
And people won’t stop the QQ until said specs are erased from relevance, much like how they saw spirit rangers and any offensive ranger for that matter gutted to hell as well as any minionmancer.
I don’t disagree with the analysis. I think the problem is that some builds have mechanics which make them very strong in low tier PvP. In general, any build which can burst you down fast (backstab or P/P thief, power shatter, LB ranger, trap DH) or has very strong skill which ABSOLUTELY need to be avoided in fight (like moa) will be pushed into oblivion by a-net to prevent excessive forum QQ.
I think the game needs to take care of all its population, including the low PvP tiers. However, in those cases, I think the smart move is to reduce the impact of the skills to be less of a win-button and reduce the cooldown appropriately. With this logic, the current Moa nerf was only half of the right move.
Saying this again, since it seems you want to tell us over and over again: Then don’t play the meta build if you don’t want to Alex! All this “I don’t play a class, because one build is to strong/doesn’t fit my playstyle”-garbage is just wrong. Play other builds and get to know the class.
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Sorry for shattering your illusions
Sorry for shattering your illusions
Saying this again, since it seems you want to tell us over and over again: Then don’t play the meta build if you don’t want to Alex! All this “I don’t play a class, because one build is to strong/doesn’t fit my playstyle”-garbage is just wrong. Play other builds and get to know the class.
So since I have 4k hours on mes, I can just say you’re wrong and should be ignored, and there’s nothing you can bring to argue the point.
Sweet, that was easy XD
Funnily enough Moa has now been heavily nerfed and condi’s HAVE been cut in half XD
are we playing same game?
He’s referring to maim the disillusioned being 2 stacks of torment but being changed to 1 stack just before the trait rework got launched and all feedback collected so no-one can protest and say they weren’t listened to.
Also no duelling line removes a significant amount of bleed application.
And people won’t stop the QQ until said specs are erased from relevance, much like how they saw spirit rangers and any offensive ranger for that matter gutted to hell as well as any minionmancer.
Don’t forget turret engineers.
People absolutely lose their minds when when dealing with anything remotely AI-based.
Just delete Confusion dot and everything will be fine. Something like they did with Reaper chill dmg.
Just delete Confusion dot and everything will be fine. Something like they did with Reaper chill dmg.
I’m assuming sarcasm but you realize that Confusion is the whole idea around (condition) Mesmer, right?
I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.
Just delete Confusion dot and everything will be fine. Something like they did with Reaper chill dmg.
I’m assuming sarcasm but you realize that Confusion is the whole idea around (condition) Mesmer, right?
I would be ok with that. Assuming they reverted the previous confusion nerf a couple years ago and made it were if you AA’ed with 4 stacks you insta killed yourself. It might have been higher of course but you get the point. Oh and glamours. I would want confusion put back on glamours
Sachyi Asuna. A [KING]’s Mesmer Unified Kingdom
Just delete Confusion dot and everything will be fine. Something like they did with Reaper chill dmg.
I’m assuming sarcasm but you realize that Confusion is the whole idea around (condition) Mesmer, right?
Its not sarcasm, condi mesmer can easily give 16 stacks of confusion at someone dealing 2k+ dmg per tick. And dont forget perma stealth + tankiness. Dont forget confusion also damages you while you attack.
So…
Lets imagine guardian have retalation stackable with 15 stack of retalation doing 2k dmg on every enemy’s attack. nerf? yea ppl will shout nerf bigtime.
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Its not sarcasm, condi mesmer can easily give 16 stacks of confusion at someone dealing 2k+ dmg per tick. And dont forget perma stealth + tankiness. Dont forget confusion also damages you while you attack..
Mesmer can also repeatedly aoe-ressurect his teammates and give them perma-quickness and perma-alacrity while chaining double-moas. (If you get moa’d while you’re already moa’d you turn into an ambient creature and there’s no counterplay to this since the mesmer never leaves stealth).
Or you could take a breath, actually learn what the class does, delete what you wrote since it’s completely wrong, and then learn to dodge the three back-to-back full-power shatters that you apparently keep eating.
We’re already seeing counters to mesmer pop up at the higher levels. Just give some time for this knowledge to trickle down and become more widespread. Just a few basic tips:
- Dodging at the end of the mesmer’s Shield4 prevents the mesmer from summoning his Shield phantasm. This phantasm is the key ingredient to the iReversion + Chronophantasma shatter chain.
- A good thief can nearly instagib a mesmer in a +1 situation since basi venom is unblockable and CC’s the mesmer out of shield. Same deal with DH, even though DH is less favored now.
- A good druid will quickly gain the point in a 1v1 and will win if the mesmer tries to contest. (See, for example, Eura’s druid vs Phantaram’s mesmer in the last tournament)
- Necros are great in a teamfight situation vs. mesmer because staff5 and WH4 interrupt the shield, and because plague signet is easier to land in the teamfight. The nerf to moa also helps.
- Apparently Tarcis has found a mace/shield + longbow merc warrior build that he says beats condi mes. (I haven’t seen enough of these matchups to comment, though).
- A good ele can hold a point vs. mesmer forever (see proleague vids). Trick is to not waste your condi cleanses while diamond skin is still up, and to stand still for most of the fight (except when dodging). That way, torment and confusion just ticks for the base, reduced damage.
These are all good points and tips, but you’re not really factoring player skill levels in these situations.
- A good druid will quickly gain the point in a 1v1 and will win if the mesmer tries to contest. (See, for example, Eura’s druid vs Phantaram’s mesmer in the last tournament)
Eura mains ranger and has for the last 4 years. He also has plenty of opportunities to dual against Supcutie and Zeromis for practice. Meanwhile Phantaram hasn’t been on mesmer for nearly as long as Eura has been on druid. Yes, a druid can win 1v1 against the mesmer, but they’d better outskill him by a lot.
- Necros are great in a teamfight situation vs. mesmer because staff5 and WH4 interrupt the shield, and because plague signet is easier to land in the teamfight. The nerf to moa also helps.
Yes that will work, but mesmers really shouldn’t be in a teamfight situation in the first place. You’re relying on the enemy mesmers messing up on their part, or relying on your team and necro to turn all fights with the mesmer into a teamfight.
- A good ele can hold a point vs. mesmer forever (see proleague vids). Trick is to not waste your condi cleanses while diamond skin is still up, and to stand still for most of the fight (except when dodging). That way, torment and confusion just ticks for the base, reduced damage.
The emphasis is on a good ele. All these are doable, but they require the other guy to basically outskill the mesmer.
In an even fight where both players are at similar skill levels, the mesmer always has an advantage. People that I used to have equal 50/50 duels with, I am now beating soundly after swapping to condi. It’s not that they’re bad, or that my skill level suddenly shot up, but condi mesmer is overtuned.
I disagree with the premise of the moa nerf since I don’t like nerfing core classes to compensate for elites, but I can understand it. I just can’t see a way to nerf the build without negatively affecting the core class.
Maybe a direct nerf to the conditions themseves? I’ve seen suggestions of nerfing confusion tick, and maybe capping torment/confusion at a certain number of stacks like they did with chill.
Nerf Druid first.
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Nerfing condition mesmer will not suddenly make shatter mesmer viable again.
Yes, this needs to be said again, bring condition removal. Played a match with 3 necros yesterday. No one on the other team brought condition removal. They complained the whole time. Which was ironic because two of them were playing condition classes themselves.
These are all good points and tips, but you’re not really factoring player skill levels in these situations.
- A good druid will quickly gain the point in a 1v1 and will win if the mesmer tries to contest. (See, for example, Eura’s druid vs Phantaram’s mesmer in the last tournament)
Eura mains ranger and has for the last 4 years. He also has plenty of opportunities to dual against Supcutie and Zeromis for practice. Meanwhile Phantaram hasn’t been on mesmer for nearly as long as Eura has been on druid. Yes, a druid can win 1v1 against the mesmer, but they’d better outskill him by a lot.
- Necros are great in a teamfight situation vs. mesmer because staff5 and WH4 interrupt the shield, and because plague signet is easier to land in the teamfight. The nerf to moa also helps.
Yes that will work, but mesmers really shouldn’t be in a teamfight situation in the first place. You’re relying on the enemy mesmers messing up on their part, or relying on your team and necro to turn all fights with the mesmer into a teamfight.
- A good ele can hold a point vs. mesmer forever (see proleague vids). Trick is to not waste your condi cleanses while diamond skin is still up, and to stand still for most of the fight (except when dodging). That way, torment and confusion just ticks for the base, reduced damage.
The emphasis is on a good ele. All these are doable, but they require the other guy to basically outskill the mesmer.
In an even fight where both players are at similar skill levels, the mesmer always has an advantage. People that I used to have equal 50/50 duels with, I am now beating soundly after swapping to condi. It’s not that they’re bad, or that my skill level suddenly shot up, but condi mesmer is overtuned.
I disagree with the premise of the moa nerf since I don’t like nerfing core classes to compensate for elites, but I can understand it. I just can’t see a way to nerf the build without negatively affecting the core class.
Maybe a direct nerf to the conditions themseves? I’ve seen suggestions of nerfing confusion tick, and maybe capping torment/confusion at a certain number of stacks like they did with chill.
Your argument that mesmer is only counterable if you outskill him is completely wrong. It’s basically the old “my build takes huge amounts of skill and everyone else’s build is ez” fallacy.
All of the examples I gave assume above-average or better players of equal skill. A competent ele doesn’t have to “outplay” the mesmer to win, he just needs to not make basic mistakes like wasting cleanses when diamond skin is up or failing to dodge moa. It’s literally unloseable for the ele once you reach a certain degree of competency.
As for the eura v phanta matchup, you’re right that Eura has more experience on druid than phantaram does on mesmer. But it’s not like phantaram is bad. Keep in mind that phanta has been playing the condi chrono build since almost Day 1 of the balance patch. He’s been playing it for months now, at a competitive level, and practicing against other top players. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that he lost because he was vastly outskilled. Rather, eura is able to leverage the druid’s high evasion uptime and to avoid most of the burst and/or prevent the shield phantasm from spawning.
As for teamfights, the mesmer’s strength is definitely in 1v1s, but you’ll find mesmers in 2v2s and larger fights even at the proleague. Sometimes the teams’ rotations work out in a way that the mesmer’s optimal position at the moment is to join in the larger fight (as a basic example, if home is capped, enemy druid is at far, and mesmer already placed portal at far).
As to your last point about going 50/50 against people you used to lose to — again it depends largely on the comps. Mesmer’s strength right now is 1v1s because, like you said, mesmers are not strong in teamfights. So you should be going at least 50/50 in your 1v1s as condi mes, otherwise you’re doing something wrong.