Guild Wars 2

As for BlueprintFE, I make do with less on other classes. Bursting comes from dagger Auto. Not enough burst? Equip another dagger. Not enough survivability? Equip a Focus. Can’t have both, bro. Well, not anymore, atleast….

And this is why I don’t use Meta builds. Too much reliance.

This is a l2p problem. I know Elementalists that get along just fine without that Meta build, including myself. I even saw a staff Elementalist do incredibly well in tPvP, and I practically kissed his kitten right there I was so amazed.

I could whine all day about how Necromancer is incredibly glitchy and on the underdog side of the game with NO teleports, invulnerability, stability, boon access, or even strong damage… we don’t even have superior condition application… but no. I adapted, and now I dominate with Necromancer.

Granted the nerfing of Elementalist is a little misdirected. I would have just preferred cleansing and healing to be nerfed, but oh well. It was a long time in the making. Anyone who didn’t see this coming is daft.

By the way, burning is not to be underestimated even on noncondition builds.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

As for BlueprintFE, I make do with less on other classes. Bursting comes from dagger Auto. Not enough burst? Equip another dagger. Not enough survivability? Equip a Focus. Can’t have both, bro. Anymore, atleast….

And this is why I don’t use Meta builds. Too much reliance.

This is a l2p problem. I know Elementalists that get along just fine without that Meta build, including myself.

I could whine all day about how Necromancer is incredibly glitchy and on the underdog side of the game with NO teleports, invulnerability, stability, boon access, or even strong damage… we don’t even have superior condition application… but no. I adapted, and now I dominate with Necromancer.

Granted the nerfing of Elementalist is a little misdirected. I would have just preferred cleansing and healing were nerfed, but oh well.

I understand the necro thing trust me I do, I played necro at launch (d/d power necro my first 80) and in SPVP when we had 100+ bugs.

But that still doesn’t answer my statement about you saying a 30 20 0 20 0 build on an ele is a viable GC build, in fact you were stating it like it is a known fact when in reality you are straight up lying about that build, and trying to sway people’s opinion in your favor. (Again no dis-respect meant, it’s just frustrating). You stated that as if it were a well known fact and with a “just grab a focus and you will be fine playing GC ele stop crying” When in fact some people have played the ele since paunch and know it as well as you know your necro. Your saying you don’t have invuls or teleport (which you do flesh wurm and necrotic traversal, death shroud 2), and no boon access, when you are really overlooking the benefits of the highest health pool in the game and Extending that health pool with death shroud. Not too mention shroud stomping every 10 seconds for a danger free stomp. I would gladly give up some of the eles benefits to have a higher health pool, we are completely shoe horned into having to take vitality on our gear (or vital on amulet or runes) other wise the 2 stacks of bleed from Blood is Power will pretty much kill us. Necromancers were ALWAYS my nightmare in TPVP. A necro on the broken roof of Khylo is a nightmare to deal with with treb, or roamer supporting it. Plus being feared off the edge of the catwalk area.

Anyways you are downplaying the advantages of the necro greatly (I know they are not perfect)

Deathshroud isn’t as great as advertised. Doom is a life saver, though, I will admit. Necrotic Traversal? Really? Deathshroud 2 can come in handy, but it’s not a solid Teleport. Shroud Stomp isn’t as effective as you might think.

I would be perfectly fine with buffing Elementalist’s HP at the cost of one of these three things: cleansing/healing/mobility.

I wasn’t trying to preach like it is a well known thing, because it isn’t. However, I do know many Elementalists that do extremely well without the meta builds.

Infact, yesterday I saw a Staff Elementalist that was purely destroying. I was so impressed I bothered to look up this video to express how impressed I was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlpBO3L6UJo

Raptured.9307:

Wait what? It’s our gear that’s OP now? Lol?
Also, wanting to burst as a necromancer.. yeah you’re not doing it right. Doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t do it right either. Glass ele dies even faster than glass thief.

If you’re somehow implying that bursting as a Necromancer is somehow “bad,” “wrong,” or something along those lines, I think you have much to learn.

It’s not done much because it’s more challenging to pull off, but it’s possible and quite deadly.

Super cheese nomore? Time to l2p like every other class if they want to stay alive…finally eles won’t run away and heal up no matter how bad they are after this. You failed? You die like everyone else. Welcome to (almost) balanced pvp.

I find it entertaining that all of these terrible players think this will make a significant impact on the cantrip bunker. The only nerfs that even slightly dents the OP ability of the cantrip bunker is not being able to heal while in mist form and the signet healing nerf (but many use ether renewal anyway because of condi necro, engi and ranger meta).

This patch changes nothing about what is wrong with the ele. You’re just too terrible to see that.

Archaon.6245:

Super cheese nomore? Time to l2p like every other class if they want to stay alive…finally eles won’t run away and heal up no matter how bad they are after this. You failed? You die like everyone else. Welcome to (almost) balanced pvp.

It is hard for the king if he is treated like everyone else.

Lupanic.6502:

Archaon.6245:

Super cheese nomore? Time to l2p like every other class if they want to stay alive…finally eles won’t run away and heal up no matter how bad they are after this. You failed? You die like everyone else. Welcome to (almost) balanced pvp.

It is hard for the king if he is treated like everyone else.

Time to see who is really good and could be good even after some nerfs and who just rotated skills like a chinese bot while facerolling ppl…good will still be good…bad will die, and this ladies and gentlemens it’s how it should be..

DiogoSilva.7089:

kostbabis.8791:

A mechanic that carries over to all 3 game types and massively reduces effectiveness in areas that ar compltelly irrelevant like travelling through pve maps/wvw or whatever?
It feels so cheap .Just admit it is cheap so i can feel better :P

To be perfectly honest, Ride the Lightning feels… cheap when exploring through pve maps. :P But maybe that’s not the answer you were looking for, hehe. When you pick your staff, focus or, even, a different profession, doesn’t it feels so weird to NOT have RTL?

Several other professions get around faster than eles in PVE. Warriors, Thieves, and Rangers. Ranger swoop is incredible for roaming around in PVE. 1100 range leap on a 12s cooldown anyone? They have some other tricks involving fiddling with the “about face” 180 turn for additional movement if you feel like bothering. Not that I’m saying OMG NERF RANGER MOVEMENT. But it’s there and it’s really good.

Thieves, I shouldn’t have to explain.

Warriors actually matched eles in a footrace in PVE back when RTL was a 15s cooldown. That’s with the ele using RTL, burning speed, and lightning flash on cooldown. Then RTL was moved to 20. Now it’s going to be FORTY without a target. And it’s going to go 1200 range instead of 1500.

Even the “perma swiftness” ele was affected for D/D. When they bugfixed the shocking aura trait to not give double fury/swiftness from zephyr’s boon, you need to mess around with stuff like updraft or cast the glyph heal in air attunement. Just switching in and out of air while using 2 auras is not enough. With +70% boon duration.

Mind you, TODAY, Warriors, Thieves, and Rangers travel faster than eles in PVE. And we haven’t even had the nerf yet.

This was obviously a PVP change and should have been one of the spvp only changes.

@kostbabies+MightyAtroll

Why don’t you two jsut settle it by duelling :P? You can do that in Spvp fairly easily.

Also, i don’t think anyone here can bring Warrior into an spvp related convo on balance. They are a joke. Try playing one in spvp night for your guild where everyones running another class with a good build. You are literally a child, even with a full GC damage attack. They just dodge and ignore you.

Aside from that, continue on your debate, no complaints here.

PistolWhip.2697:

@kostbabies+MightyAtroll

Why don’t you two jsut settle it by duelling :P? You can do that in Spvp fairly easily.

Also, i don’t think anyone here can bring Warrior into an spvp related convo on balance. They are a joke. Try playing one in spvp night for your guild where everyones running another class with a good build. You are literally a child, even with a full GC damage attack. They just dodge and ignore you.

Aside from that, continue on your debate, no complaints here.

I can kill the ele build he linked in earlier page by playing warrior and having my eyes closed whole match..Seriously

Also did i say here this change needs to be in combat only? :P
Or split cause i really plan to do some wvw later at afternoons and i dont wanna die to every mes/warrior/ranger/thief even guard if i dont get blink cause their leaps are in massively lower cooldowns.
And no im not gonna wp..Im a man !

Jeremthedevil.4793:

after the SOTG, I see the note and i can’t believe that they reduce the elem to a useless class…… I’m okay for RTL because it was cheat but form of myst and Signet of Restoration were the only abilities to survive , so why do you do this ? I think it’s a negative point and a very terrible things for the only build ( D/D) available in PvP …..

This changes nothing.

The problem with eles is the stability and prot uptime from armor of earth+earth’s embrace in tandem with their healing, frost aura, and mist/lightning flash.

Eles are pretty much impossible to CC unless you have a necro around for corrupt boon. And then all they need to do is mist form the duration and put his boons back up after the spike attempt.

Guardians are even more outrageous.

Try playing as a necro with a guardian using you as a pinball bouncing all over the place.

A useless class? That was good. This has to be parody right?

I’ve told Jon Peters in-game that elementalists’ stunbreakers shouldn’t all be cantrips, and he agreed. That’s good pvp news to eles for a future patch.

You’ll be CCing eles plenty. Just switching to water is going to trigger that 5s ICD for cleansing waters too. It’s not just “spacing out cantrips”

DiogoSilva.7089:

I’ve told Jon Peters in-game that elementalists’ stunbreakers shouldn’t all be cantrips, and he agreed. That’s good pvp news to eles for a future patch.

I want my arcane wave to stunbreak…

just switching to water with no condies on you but removing one from a teammate or a clone/ pet triggers the icd of cleansing water…

And btw blocks DO trigger the big cd of rtl…I guess Sharp cant bother learn the nerf details for ele..