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after the SOTG, I see the note and i can’t believe that they reduce the elem to a useless class…… I’m okay for RTL because it was cheat but form of myst and Signet of Restoration were the only abilities to survive , so why do you do this ? I think it’s a negative point and a very terrible things for the only build ( D/D) available in PvP …..

Petition to sign.

/Signed.

this thread is of course completely reasonable and not at all overstated for melodramatic effect.

1 serious question tho, is it really the only PvP build or is it the only one you’ve found, not many people have experimented or tried new things for moths, as an engineer. we get nerfed every patch, not nerf but destroyed! and in the process of finding something new, we always find something better. maybe that will also be the case for eles. unless you’re a die hard believer than ele was one build, and not a class

All three healing skills are good for the elementalist. Honestly, we have some of the most balanced (when against each other) healing skills.

The mist form, rtl and cleansing water nerfs are fair, but keep in mind that they are just another step to tone down bunkers. Cleansing water will still be excellent to remove conditions passively, it just won’t burst cleanse them anymore. Mist Form will still be excellent to stop bursts and finish your foes, and if elementalists (both bunker and glass cannon) successfully use it with signet of restoration (which is rarely used for its active effect, at least from me), then I don’t think locking out skills will be overkill. Finally, RTL will still allow you to leap in and escape, it just won’t allow you to repeat that as frequently, nor make you a roaming tank.

I’m not worried about ele bunkers, and if the devs nerf elemental attunement’s protection someday, bunkers would still be good enough too. What I’m worried, though, is for other elementalist’s builds. Valkyrie s/d eles are decent, but the nerfs will also affect them mostly; auramancers are decent, but… the nerfs will also affect them mostly… :P Signet aura builds will get better after this update, though.

Chances are, outside of any unexpected change that might come this patch, bunker eles will still be the best build available for them, and things will keep that way until other weapons and traitlines are buffed.

milo.6942:

this thread is of course completely reasonable and not at all overstated for melodramatic effect.

No, it isn’t overstated. At all. Elementalists had one viable pvp weaponset. One. And this completely heavy-handed nerf is going to reduce it to a subpar set.

This won’t make bunker eles subpar. Also, eles have decent alternative (although similar) builds: they just aren’t used as much because the bunker build is the best. Just like with shatter mesmers, bunker guardians, etc. If you nerf those, other alternative builds would be good enough for meta.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

milo.6942:

this thread is of course completely reasonable and not at all overstated for melodramatic effect.

No, it isn’t overstated. At all. Elementalists had one viable pvp weaponset. One. And this completely heavy-handed nerf is going to reduce it to a subpar set.

You make a classic mistake: assuming that a meta develops because the alternatives are bad — not true. They are only less good in comparison to the best available. If the best available is OP, the alternatives could still be very good.

DiogoSilva.7089:

This won’t make bunker eles subpar. Also, eles have decent alternative (although similar) builds: they just aren’t used as much because the bunker build is the best. Just like with shatter mesmers, bunker guardians, etc. If you nerf those, other alternative builds would be good enough for meta.

Dude honslty will you ever stop justyfing every nrf/change they do.
Cond removal,signet heal, bugged range all is fine..But this??An artificial and no sensible mechanic for a skill so that they can bandaid its effect in a kittening pvp game mode?
A mechanic that carries over to all 3 game types and massively reduces effectiveness in areas that ar compltelly irrelevant like travelling through pve maps/wvw or whatever?
It feels so cheap .Just admit it is cheap so i can feel better :P

kostbabis.8791:

A mechanic that carries over to all 3 game types and massively reduces effectiveness in areas that ar compltelly irrelevant like travelling through pve maps/wvw or whatever?
It feels so cheap .Just admit it is cheap so i can feel better :P

To be perfectly honest, Ride the Lightning feels… cheap when exploring through pve maps. :P But maybe that’s not the answer you were looking for, hehe. When you pick your staff, focus or, even, a different profession, doesn’t it feels so weird to NOT have RTL?

This won’t make bunker ele that much weaker (unfortunately), but it WILL make ALL other ele builds even more useless than they already were. This is almost the worst possible way to try and balance bunker builds. The only way the stated nerfs can be in any way acceptable is if there are serious buffs to the other ele specs coming in the patch as well, otherwise you will see even less build variation than you do now.

DiogoSilva.7089:

kostbabis.8791:

A mechanic that carries over to all 3 game types and massively reduces effectiveness in areas that ar compltelly irrelevant like travelling through pve maps/wvw or whatever?
It feels so cheap .Just admit it is cheap so i can feel better :P

To be perfectly honest, Ride the Lightning was… kinda cheap to explore through pve maps. :P When you pick your staff, focus or, even, a different profession, doesn’t it feels so weird to NOT have RTL?

Nah..there is ranger with swoop and sword leaps,warrior with sword 2 leap and gs skills,mesm with instant traited blink and phase retreat spam(lol im serious it outclassed rtl alone),thieves with hs spam and IA plus steal on critters etc..
Of course you might have picked necro or guard :P

milo.6942:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

milo.6942:

this thread is of course completely reasonable and not at all overstated for melodramatic effect.

No, it isn’t overstated. At all. Elementalists had one viable pvp weaponset. One. And this completely heavy-handed nerf is going to reduce it to a subpar set.

You make a classic mistake: assuming that a meta develops because the alternatives are bad — not true. They are only less good in comparison to the best available. If the best available is OP, the alternatives could still be very good.

You make a classic mistake in assuming that the alternatives are good. In this case, they aren’t. Scepter is an unsynergetic, clunky piece of crap, Staff lacks the mobility and direct damage to function as anything more than a support/utility weapon, and Focus has too many subpar abilities to be anything more than mediocre.

How about actually taking a look at the alternatives and trying it out before making judgments? D/D eles became popular because they were the only way to salvage the profession’s useless non-Cantrip utilities, bad traits aside from those in earth, water, and arcana, underwhelming elites, and with one single exception, bad weapon sets.

And what do we get in exchange for the overnerfing of our only great build? Nothing.

something funny is that after 1 week or 2 ele’s will get tired of whining about the end of the world, and with the help of an engineer, they will come up with an even better build that they had all along, but never noticed cause they assumed there was only star on the sky..

and i say engineers because that’s our every patch, get horribly nerfed all across, tweak build or find new ones and look at where we are right now, having every crying we’re OP LOL without the need of a nerf or patch..

@Duke next time a viable ele build rolls around post patch I’ll think of you and shed a single tear.

Silv.9207:

That’s NOT the only useful skill of D/D set. That’s a good skill, yes, a skill that make your ele run avay from the fight if you’re half dead and let you restore your hp whit a large amount of water healing skills before your enemy come again in range to hit you (expecially if Melee equipped). But you’ve your large aount of active and passive regen skills, healing skills and defensive skills. Ok, that’s a good skill, the one thet make you run away from all situation… but it’s been “nerfed” because of that. You’re half dead? OMG RTL!!! Ok, you’re free! -.-’ That’ all.

But then making it have 20 sec cd when used out of comobat still achieves exactly the same thing as you described! Am i right ? :P

Silv.9207:

That’s NOT the only useful skill of D/D set. That’s a good skill, yes, a skill that make your ele run avay from the fight if you’re half dead and let you restore your hp whit a large amount of water healing skills before your enemy come again in range to hit you (expecially if Melee equipped). But you’ve your large aount of active and passive regen skills, healing skills and defensive skills. Ok, that’s a good skill, the one thet make you run away from all situation… but it’s been “nerfed” because of that. You’re half dead? OMG RTL!!! Ok, you’re free! -.-’ That’ all.

That’s not a unique trait of the Elementalist. Rangers and Thieves can accomplish the same quite easily, on a shorter cooldown.

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

The only thing they mentioned that seems extreme is the RTL change. With Swoop and Rush having the same overall value to their respective classes, it doesn’t seem justified to change it for the Ele. A better option would have been to just make it so movement impairing effects reduce the range of RTL much like how it does for Rush for Warriors.

This in conjunction with toning down the healing options (mistform change, they should remove the heal from cleansing wave, make it so frostbreath heals are dependent on doing damage) will reign in the class some. At least to the point where 30 points in arcane and water feel less obligatory.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

Heavy dps builds dont work even now with offenive amu..Do you even know about elem class.Pls inform yourself about the class and the current build(s) or gtfo..You arent providing me any arguments why this is a good change in the right direction

I do perfectly fine with DPS Elementalist. I think you people have been abusing Ele for so long you forgot how a balanced burster feels.

What is so weird that the strongest class in the game got a nerf?

daydream.2938:

What is so weird that the strongest class in the game got a nerf?

Ele players are poeple too..lol !! They need to have fun:P
I was waiting for cantrips nerfs and buff to other non stunbreak/defence nature utilities to get buffed up.Instead i got stupid changes that made alternatives even less attractive.If all ele builds have been toned down ..the difference between ele bunker and the rest just got bigger..
Unless they pull some buffs on the other crap trait lines ele bunker water/arcana will always be the best and only viable ele..trust me i tried very hard to escape this and be a unique snowflake..it doesnt work

@MightyAltroll Im pretty sure your burst ele build is a 20 water 30 arcane build..If not then you must be doing only hot joins

I got no issue with ele’s. Some of my best friends are ele’s lol.

But I mean lets see how things play out, u can be sure this isn’t the final gamestat. And if eles end up a little underpowered for a while, well other classes have been dealing with that for months.

daydream.2938:

What is so weird that the strongest class in the game got a nerf?

A vast majority of them are riding coat tails, so they have to complain to continue to ride. Far be it if you ever see them have to actually try. As soon as they find out that Mesmer is more OP than Elementalist you will see flocks of people to Mesmer.

milo.6942:

this thread is of course completely reasonable and not at all overstated for melodramatic effect.

Basically this lol.

30/20/0/20/0 + Berserker’s Amulet

Same as any burster on another class might use.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

30/20/0/20/0 + Berserker’s Amulet

Same as any burster on another class might use.

wtf!! post vid against at least champion titled people or it didnt happen? :P

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.

This is just a case of elementalists being spoiled with a ridiculously OP build and now have no idea how to play their class.

Champion… titled… people?

Kostbabis, if you think a title means someone is good, I’ve got some bad news for you…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAoYhEmYbxRzwjDAEFvYS4hAEkgQhFNA-ToAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MoYWA

^ There. Glass cannon. If you can learn to survive without OP skills, you’ll be perfectly fine, and if that isn’t enough survivability for you, grab a focus. Focus is underrated and incredibly strong for Ele when used properly.

I’m a Necromancer, if I want to burst people I have to manage with no escape tools, and very little survivability.

waka.9826:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.

This is just a case of elementalists being spoiled with a ridiculously OP build and now have no idea how to play their class.

Okay, go ahead. Try actually using our alternative specs competitively. Surely you must have superior skills on our class, oh Lord and master.

waka.9826:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.

This is just a case of elementalists being spoiled with a ridiculously OP build and now have no idea how to play their class.

No. I have played a non-bunker D/D since beta (tried bunker D/D for a while but got bored), nerfing the mobility of a GC D/D is pretty much the same as destroying the build. You have the lowest HP and the lowest defences of any class, the only way to survive is not being hit if you play GC. It is already a weak spec and making it weaker is exactly the opposite of what they said these nerfs were meant to accomplish. They are nerfing all D/D builds instead of just bunkers. Which is entirely the wrong way to deal with the perceived OPness of bunkers.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Champion… titled… people?

Kostbabis, if you think a title means someone is good, I’ve got some bad news for you…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAoYhEmYbxRzwjDAEFvYS4hAEkgQhFNA-ToAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MoYWA

^ There. Glass cannon. If you can learn to survive without OP skills, you’ll be perfectly fine.

I’m a Necromancer, if I want to burst people I have to manage with no escape tools, and very little survivability.

thats i why i said at least champion titled people..i was being generous to you since you can find plnty of noobs with the title..lol
The build has no invuln and no defence and an astonishingly high attunement cooldown,
In short you cant even burst properly due to not being able to rotate between ccs from air and earth to burst skills in fire etc..Im sorry its not viable.Ask anyone if you dont believe me. If we were duel right now and i could pick a warrior with standard 100 blades build i would kill you without breaking a sweat

Vayra.3290:

waka.9826:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.

Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.

This is just a case of elementalists being spoiled with a ridiculously OP build and now have no idea how to play their class.

No. I have played a non-bunker D/D since beta (tried bunker D/D for a while but got bored), nerfing the mobility of a GC D/D is pretty much the same as destroying the build. You have the lowest HP and the lowest defences of any class, the only way to survive is not being hit if you play GC. It is already a weak spec and making it weaker is exactly the opposite of what they said these nerfs were meant to accomplish. They are nerfing all D/D builds instead of just bunkers. Which is entirely the wrong way to deal with the perceived OPness of bunkers.

I play glass no stun breaker engineer, what’s your point.

edit: Atleast you HAVE an RTL.

kostbabis.8791:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Champion… titled… people?

Kostbabis, if you think a title means someone is good, I’ve got some bad news for you…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAoYhEmYbxRzwjDAEFvYS4hAEkgQhFNA-ToAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MoYWA

^ There. Glass cannon. If you can learn to survive without OP skills, you’ll be perfectly fine.

I’m a Necromancer, if I want to burst people I have to manage with no escape tools, and very little survivability.

thats i why i said at least champion titled people..i was being generous to you since you can find plnty of noobs with the title..lol
The build has no invuln and no defence and an astonishingly high attunement cooldown,
In short you cant even burst properly due to not being able to rotate between ccs from air and earth to burst skills in fire etc..Im sorry its not viable.Ask anyone if you dont believe me. If we were duel right now and i could pick a warrior with standard 100 blades build i would kill you without breaking a sweat

I don’t need to rotate between CCs unless I absolutely need to. This is the nonsensical reliance the past OP Elementalist builds have placed on people. If you want invulnerability, grab a kitten Focus and learn how to use that. I can use it just fine.

My Necromancer has NO invulnerability either, yet I easily burst people down using only ONE CC, I can even tank on my glass Necromancer simply because I know how to SURVIVE.

This is essentially putting a bunch of spoiled rich kids onto an Island with Vaas Monten$gro. They have no notion of how to survive without their technology. Same thing with Elementalist, they don’t know how to survive without their OP gear.

Lol let me try again..I will get my elementalist and face you with my geared setup and utilities only i WONT pick any traits !! :P
You still wont stand a chance.In fact you cant even do that mmuch damage cause you get no fury no mightstack and i get damage multipliers from going to water as well..
Dude are you sure you just didnt slap a normal gc trait distribution over elementalist traits and picked the most obvious major traits??
Cause really it takes 1 hot join game to see that you ll suck with this. :P
edit:you ll suck as in you ll lose to any sensible build of any other class assuming your enemy has a functional brain..i dont expect you to be a god like with cantrips d/d

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks… My Necromancer doesn’t have mightstacks either…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Learn and adapt.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Cant compare apples with oranges..You presented me with a glass canon ele build that had 50 % crit chance and crit damage and no might stacking.I told you i can do more damage by grabbing fury and survival traits so i get to some might stacks through fire fields and you started talking about mesm .. /facepalm
that mesmer build will kill your ele build even if the mesmer goes afk btw ..lolol
You are really ignorant with the class and im angry i feel the urge to respond to you mr mighty troll :P

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

kostbabis.8791:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Champion… titled… people?

Kostbabis, if you think a title means someone is good, I’ve got some bad news for you…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAoYhEmYbxRzwjDAEFvYS4hAEkgQhFNA-ToAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MoYWA

^ There. Glass cannon. If you can learn to survive without OP skills, you’ll be perfectly fine.

I’m a Necromancer, if I want to burst people I have to manage with no escape tools, and very little survivability.

thats i why i said at least champion titled people..i was being generous to you since you can find plnty of noobs with the title..lol
The build has no invuln and no defence and an astonishingly high attunement cooldown,
In short you cant even burst properly due to not being able to rotate between ccs from air and earth to burst skills in fire etc..Im sorry its not viable.Ask anyone if you dont believe me. If we were duel right now and i could pick a warrior with standard 100 blades build i would kill you without breaking a sweat

I don’t need to rotate between CCs unless I absolutely need to. This is the nonsensical reliance the past OP Elementalist builds have placed on people. If you want invulnerability, grab a kitten Focus and learn how to use that. I can use it just fine.

My Necromancer has NO invulnerability either, yet I easily burst people down using only ONE CC, I can even tank on my glass Necromancer simply because I know how to SURVIVE.

This is essentially putting a bunch of spoiled rich kids onto an Island with Vaas Monten$gro. They have no notion of how to survive without their technology. Same thing with Elementalist, they don’t know how to survive without their OP gear.

Wait what? It’s our gear that’s OP now? Lol?
Also, wanting to burst as a necromancer.. yeah you’re not doing it right. Doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t do it right either. Glass ele dies even faster than glass thief.

I can compare apples with oranges. Every class in the game has to deal with similar issues on similar builds except Elementalist. The only issue you have to deal with on Elementalist is learning how to survive. Which takes some skill.

Raptured, I burst very well on my Necromancer. 20+ kills per game roaming.

Honestly, Elementalists whining about Elementalist are just plain bad. A glass cannon Ele is no harder to use than a glass cannon Warrior, and significantly better too.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks… My Necromancer doesn’t have mightstacks either…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Learn and adapt.

My Elementalist can’t create illusions and doesn’t have access to the best cc elite in the game. My Elementalist doesn’t have 18k base hp and Death Shroud. This is a serious apples-to-oranges comparison. The Elementalist is the most boon dependent profession in the game because they are meant to have the most access to boons.

Learn to make valid comparisons.

(Oh, and Mesmers have better fury access than Elementalists do. Eles get 2 seconds base Fury on attunement swap, Mesmers give perma-fury to all phantasms – their main damage source. Not to mention that Staff Mesmers are excellent fury and might stackers with defense potential on par with that of the D/D ele.)

^you must be trolling or you are an idiot

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks… My Necromancer doesn’t have mightstacks either…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Learn and adapt.

My Elementalist can’t create illusions and doesn’t have access to the best cc elite in the game. My Elementalist doesn’t have 18k base hp and Death Shroud. This is a serious apples-to-oranges comparison. The Elementalist is the most boon dependent profession in the game because they are meant to have the most access to boons.

Learn to make valid comparisons.

(Oh, and Mesmers have better fury access than Elementalists do. Eles get 2 seconds base Fury on attunement swap, Mesmers give perma-fury to all phantasms – their main damage source. Not to mention that Staff Mesmers are excellent fury and might stackers with defense potential on par with that of the D/D ele.)

My Necromancer doesn’t have teleports, invulnerability, or massive healing/AoE cleansing either. Hell I don’t even have mediocre access to stability. Your point? Elementalist damage mitigation is massive, and anyone with 50%+ Crit chance, and 50%+ crit damage is monsterously powerful. Don’t like the Ele survivability in D/D? Learn to use a Focus. It’s good, I swear.

You realize that The Mighty Troll is a troll right?

Nobody is that clueless.

At start i though altroll is his name ..

Honestly, I don’t think this will force ele out of bunker at all. They’ll just go further into it. Maye even start using /focus until people start complaining about it’s defensive skills.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks… My Necromancer doesn’t have mightstacks either…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Learn and adapt.

My Elementalist can’t create illusions and doesn’t have access to the best cc elite in the game. My Elementalist doesn’t have 18k base hp and Death Shroud. This is a serious apples-to-oranges comparison. The Elementalist is the most boon dependent profession in the game because they are meant to have the most access to boons.

Learn to make valid comparisons.

(Oh, and Mesmers have better fury access than Elementalists do. Eles get 2 seconds base Fury on attunement swap, Mesmers give perma-fury to all phantasms – their main damage source. Not to mention that Staff Mesmers are excellent fury and might stackers with defense potential on par with that of the D/D ele.)

My Necromancer doesn’t have teleports, invulnerability, or massive healing/AoE cleansing either. Hell I don’t even have mediocre access to stability. Your point? Elementalist damage mitigation is massive, and anyone with 50%+ Crit chance, and 50%+ crit damage is monsterously powerful. Don’t like the Ele survivability in D/D? Learn to use a Focus. It’s good, I swear.

My point is that there is no point. You made an arbitrary, useless comparison. I made an equally arbitrary, useless comparison. You cited the inferiority of the Mesmer and the Elementalists in gaining boons as compared to the Elementalist, which I’m telling you is kitten because the primary strength of the Elementalist is, always has been, and always should be in their access to boons, which, by the way, Arenanet is trying to add counter play to in the form of boon hate on top of the direct nerfs.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks… My Necromancer doesn’t have mightstacks either…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Learn and adapt.

My Elementalist can’t create illusions and doesn’t have access to the best cc elite in the game. My Elementalist doesn’t have 18k base hp and Death Shroud. This is a serious apples-to-oranges comparison. The Elementalist is the most boon dependent profession in the game because they are meant to have the most access to boons.

Learn to make valid comparisons.

(Oh, and Mesmers have better fury access than Elementalists do. Eles get 2 seconds base Fury on attunement swap, Mesmers give perma-fury to all phantasms – their main damage source. Not to mention that Staff Mesmers are excellent fury and might stackers with defense potential on par with that of the D/D ele.)

My Necromancer doesn’t have teleports, invulnerability, or massive healing/AoE cleansing either. Hell I don’t even have mediocre access to stability. Your point? Elementalist damage mitigation is massive, and anyone with 50%+ Crit chance, and 50%+ crit damage is monsterously powerful. Don’t like the Ele survivability in D/D? Learn to use a Focus. It’s good, I swear.

Ok now you are just sounding crazy. Your saying glass cannon ele has massive damage mitigation?

Focus on glass cannon? Please tell me what you are bursting with. With focus you lose churning earth, fire grab, earthquake knockdown, ride the lightning and updraft, and what are you getting in return!? A fire aura, and fire wall in fire attunement (WHOOPEE) a hard to lane daze in Water (comet) a chill, in Air you are getting swirling winds and a knockdown, and earth you get an invul and a projo reflect. A glass cannon dagger ele with focus offhand is a more confused and fvcked up playing style than a left handed football bat. You have no burst skills for a GLASS CANNON with dagger focus. What are you bursting with?? shocking aura? Or how about frost aura? Drakes breath?? Maybe you are bursting with magnetic grasp? Or ring of earth?? Oh I get it you must be bursting with water auto attack.

I have played every class in the game and 5 of them consistently in Tournies, and know most of the professions very well. I have played ele when the class was considered the worst in the game, in fact people made videos mocking the ele saying its better to delete them. I remember that. Guess when all that stopped?? When the “evil” 0 10 0 30 30 build with healing power came out. Guess what? Now it’s getting the Nerf bat with no compensation, where does that leave eles??

If you notice something with all of the 10k base health professions they have all received some kind of compensation, Guardians have boons, blinds, blocks, and healing… thieves have stealth, blinds, evades and mobility, eles had mobility and the only other way for them to survive in all this Aoe combat especially in melee range is healing and some boons, the healing has been nerfed greatly, now along with mobility, Now we are just a light armor class with ok mobility. If you go glass cannon (lol, and I have been trying GC for a long time) you have 14k health and get 2-4 shot by a warriors whirlwind, (been there done that).

Your 30 20 0 20 0 build is so full of flaws I bet you have never tried it. Please tell me what grandmaster fire trait you took? Fire fields lasting longer?? Lol. No attunement cool down reduction, have fun getting any type of rotation in there. No vigor (can’t mitigate kitten for damage) No protection boon at all. Glass cannon in light armor with no protection boon, yeah you will last 3 seconds if that in any type of real fight.

I’m not attacking you, but pointing out the flaws in your build and letting you know to stop spreading misinformation about the ele.

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My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks… My Necromancer doesn’t have mightstacks either…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Learn and adapt.

My Elementalist can’t create illusions and doesn’t have access to the best cc elite in the game. My Elementalist doesn’t have 18k base hp and Death Shroud. This is a serious apples-to-oranges comparison. The Elementalist is the most boon dependent profession in the game because they are meant to have the most access to boons.

Learn to make valid comparisons.

(Oh, and Mesmers have better fury access than Elementalists do. Eles get 2 seconds base Fury on attunement swap, Mesmers give perma-fury to all phantasms – their main damage source. Not to mention that Staff Mesmers are excellent fury and might stackers with defense potential on par with that of the D/D ele.)

My Necromancer doesn’t have teleports, invulnerability, or massive healing/AoE cleansing either. Hell I don’t even have mediocre access to stability. Your point? Elementalist damage mitigation is massive, and anyone with 50%+ Crit chance, and 50%+ crit damage is monsterously powerful. Don’t like the Ele survivability in D/D? Learn to use a Focus. It’s good, I swear.

Ok now you are just sounding crazy. Your saying glass cannon ele has massive damage mitigation?

Focus on glass cannon? Please tell me what you are bursting with. With focus you lose churning earth, fire grab, earthquake knockdown, ride the lightning and updraft, and what are you getting in return!? A fire aura, and fire wall in fire attunement (WHOOPEE) a hard to lane daze in Water (comet) a chill, in Air you are getting swirling winds and a knockdown, and earth you get an invul and a projo reflect. A glass cannon dagger ele with focus offhand is a more confused and fvcked up playing style than a left handed football bat. You have no burst skills for a GLASS CANNON with dagger focus. What are you bursting with?? shocking aura? Or how about frost aura? Drakes breath?? Maybe you are bursting with magnetic grasp? Or ring of earth?? Oh I get it you must be bursting with water auto attack.

I have played every class in the game and 5 of them consistently in Tournies, and know most of the professions very well. I have played ele when the class was considered the worst in the game, in fact people made videos mocking the ele saying its better to delete them. I remember that. Guess when all that stopped?? When the “evil” 0 10 0 30 30 build with healing power came out. Guess what? Now it’s getting the Nerf bat with no compensation, where does that leave eles??

If you notice something with all of the 10k base health professions they have all received some kind of compensation, Guardians have boons, blinds, blocks, and healing… thieves have stealth, blinds, evades and mobility, eles had mobility and the only other way for them to survive in all this Aoe combat especially in melee range is healing and some boons, the healing has been nerfed greatly, now along with mobility, Now we are just a light armor class with ok mobility. If you go glass cannon (lol, and I have been trying GC for a long time) you have 14k health and get 2-4 shot by a warriors whirlwind, (been there done that).

Your 30 20 0 20 0 build is so full of flaws I bet you have never tried it. Please tell me what grandmaster fire trait you took? Fire fields lasting longer?? Lol. No attunement cool down reduction, have fun getting any type of rotation in there. No vigor (can’t mitigate kitten for damage) No protection boon at all. Glass cannon in light armor with no protection boon, yeah you will last 3 seconds if that in any type of real fight.

I’m not attacking you, but pointing out the flaws in your build and letting you know to stop spreading misinformation about the ele.

This. 1 million times this.