Guild Wars 2

Participate in a ranked or unranked PvP match

Like, I get that you want to make Stronghold relevant by removing dailies that can only be completed in Conquest, but why this way? Why not make it able to be completed in custom arenas? Why force players to participate (participate, not win) a ranked or unranked game?

All this accomplishes is forcing all the people who farmed dailies in custom arenas to bleed out into the unranked and ranked matches. They’ll just go afk or they will throw the game to make it shorter. They don’t care about winning; they just want to farm dailies to get potions for the reward tracks.

There is no positive outcome to this. Nobody wins. You just annoy farmers and force them into the other matches and make the trash tiers an even worse experience for people who want to legitimately play and win.

Because skyhammer jump maps are stupid.

That said, the daily should be changed to “Win a ranked or unranked PvP match”

MadRabbit.3179:

Participate in a ranked or unranked PvP match

Like, I get that you want to make Stronghold relevant by removing dailies that can only be completed in Conquest, but why this way? Why not make it able to be completed in custom arenas? Why force players to participate (participate, not win) a ranked or unranked game?

All this accomplishes is forcing all the people who farmed dailies in custom arenas to bleed out into the unranked and ranked matches. They’ll just go afk or they will throw the game to make it shorter. They don’t care about winning; they just want to farm dailies to get potions for the reward tracks.

There is no positive outcome to this. Nobody wins. You just annoy farmers and force them into the other matches and make the trash tiers an even worse experience for people who want to legitimately play and win.

So people can’t exploit to get their dailies, good riddance.

I’d tell you that unranked doesn’t matter, and to get a team for ranked… But I know that won’t fly by you. Even though the odds of getting one of those type of players is equal on both sides minus the odds of playing a premade team.

Actually if you got a team this would actually work towards you. Just saying. It’s good to see you fighting so many critical issues with this game at once!

I have to totally agree with MadRabbit — this “update” is a load of crap:

Daily Achievement Adjustment
Daily PvP Capture and Daily PvP Defender have been removed from the daily rotation.
Daily Top Stats and Daily PvP Matches Played in Unranked or Ranked Arena have been added to the daily rotation.

When I’m good and ready, I’ll do your ranked PvP. But why destroy the awesome custom daily maps community with LOFT, UGF, MAD and others?

I refuse to draw a stupid roman numeral over my head just because some stats guy wanted 4min less waiting time.

style.6173:

Because skyhammer jump maps are stupid.

That said, the daily should be changed to “Win a ranked or unranked PvP match”

I think it already is. The first game I played tonight in Unranked, I lost and did not get the daily, even though I was in the match from start to score screen. The second game I got it when I won.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

style.6173:

Because skyhammer jump maps are stupid.

That said, the daily should be changed to “Win a ranked or unranked PvP match”

I think it already is. The first game I played tonight in Unranked, I lost and did not get the daily, even though I was in the match from start to score screen. The second game I got it when I won.

If that’s how it actually works and not how it’s written, then that’s a lot better off.

MadRabbit.3179:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

style.6173:

Because skyhammer jump maps are stupid.

That said, the daily should be changed to “Win a ranked or unranked PvP match”

I think it already is. The first game I played tonight in Unranked, I lost and did not get the daily, even though I was in the match from start to score screen. The second game I got it when I won.

If that’s how it actually works and not how it’s written, then that’s a lot better off.

I played one match in unranked, lost and got the daily.

icy.9250:

I have to totally agree with MadRabbit — this “update” is a load of crap:

Daily Achievement Adjustment
Daily PvP Capture and Daily PvP Defender have been removed from the daily rotation.
Daily Top Stats and Daily PvP Matches Played in Unranked or Ranked Arena have been added to the daily rotation.

When I’m good and ready, I’ll do your ranked PvP. But why destroy the awesome custom daily maps community with LOFT, UGF, MAD and others?

I refuse to draw a stupid roman numeral over my head just because some stats guy wanted 4min less waiting time.

Imagine that, you’d have to actually…pvp in a pvp zone to get…daily PVP rewards?

Will the PvE people who care nothing for pvp mind if I can get my hands on HoT legendaries by doing only pvp and want nothing to do with grinding for leyline sparks and amalgamated gemstones?

Darknicrofia.2604:

icy.9250:

I have to totally agree with MadRabbit — this “update” is a load of crap:

Daily Achievement Adjustment
Daily PvP Capture and Daily PvP Defender have been removed from the daily rotation.
Daily Top Stats and Daily PvP Matches Played in Unranked or Ranked Arena have been added to the daily rotation.

When I’m good and ready, I’ll do your ranked PvP. But why destroy the awesome custom daily maps community with LOFT, UGF, MAD and others?

I refuse to draw a stupid roman numeral over my head just because some stats guy wanted 4min less waiting time.

Imagine that, you’d have to actually…pvp in a pvp zone to get…daily PVP rewards?

Will the PvE people who care nothing for pvp mind if I can get my hands on HoT legendaries by doing only pvp and want nothing to do with grinding for leyline sparks and amalgamated gemstones?

No, no PvE person would care if you could get a legendary or whatever done in PvP that you could do in PvE assuming it takes a similar amount of time. Literally add reward tracks that give amalgated gemstones and ley line sparks and what not, it would actually be good for the price of amalgated gemstones and give an actual faucet of them into the game rather than it being an extraordinary cost.

And you shouldn’t care that people farmed dailies. Not really your problem and besides that the reward tracks are pretty junk in terms of earning gold compared to simply playing PvE. They were however good for getting dungeon collections done in case you don’t have them done yet and want collections.

I guess since now you can’t find dungeon parties very easily or at all and now people must play unranked or Ranked pvp to get those reward tracks filled out you’ll see a lot of Afkers. I might afk myself sometime later today. I could care less about any silly PvP ranked mode or unranked mode in a failed Esport game.

It’s not about whether or not it’s right or wrong for people to farm the PvP dailies. That’s been going on for a long time and nobody has really cared much about it, because it goes on in custom arenas. I don’t really have an opinion one way or the other.

But adding a daily like this doesn’t make the issue better. It just adds an incentive for people to join ranked or unranked games and either go afk or intentionally throw the match to shorten the game just to get a participation daily.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

MadRabbit.3179:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

style.6173:

Because skyhammer jump maps are stupid.

That said, the daily should be changed to “Win a ranked or unranked PvP match”

I think it already is. The first game I played tonight in Unranked, I lost and did not get the daily, even though I was in the match from start to score screen. The second game I got it when I won.

If that’s how it actually works and not how it’s written, then that’s a lot better off.

I played one match in unranked, lost and got the daily.

Then that’s a lot worse off. Maybe, I am finally going mad, but it seems to be pretty obvious to me why something like this will do more harm then good.

Actually having to pvp for your pvp dailies to get pvp rewards sounds horrible indeed.

I do agree that in its current form this daily does encourage people to throw a match in an unranked or ranked game.

I don’t agree that Anet should change it to require a win to get credit.
We already have 1 win dailies – the class dailies.
Dailies shouldn’t be hard. They are daily achievements, things you would normally get in the course of doing what you normally do.

There are days I play 10 rounds of unranked and not get a single win, varying levels of points, some close, others way off.

The way the reward was structured – with daily class win – it was expected that it would require twice the effort to complete as say a daily reward or daily rank. Sure the old dailies – capture and defender – were way too easy to get. But we needed to replace it with an equally accessible to daily reward / daily rank daily achievable in 1 game.

Anet can change it to a few things – like:
Personal score – though I’ve won games where I did my job as a bunker and had less than 50 points.
Team score minimum – a bit better but still not at the 1 game reward criteria if set too high, and set too low would cause people just to get to the minimum and throw the game.
Time minimum – a bit better, but there are situations where your team is just outclassed, both teams shouldn’t not get this daily done because one team is that much better.
Minimum alternative stats – a bit better, like a pick list of do any 1 of the following x, but again, too low and you have the same situation as the team score minimum.
Minimum activity meter – a bit better, like a hidden meter measuring your movement and skill use, but issues if you are playing a slower moving class and your team is dominating / you are playing a bunker depending on how it measures it.

Given the above alternatives, its rather hard to really get a good balance of something easier than 1 win, but harder than just existing for 1 round.

morrolan.9608:

So people can’t exploit to get their dailies, good riddance.

Because no 1 on this forum ever used the glory farm “exploit”…… It’s not exploiting, it’s taking an easy route to complete a daily. It’s the equivalent of mining one rich node instead of 4 regular nodes for daily miner… Same thing, just quicker and less hassle

morrolan.9608:

So people can’t exploit to get their dailies, good riddance.

I’ve always done the PvP dailies in the daily room. I find real PvP to get that one daily where I only need to show up isn’t that bad. I just run around the PvP area attacking people at random until the match is over and voilà! a daily is done. Since I don’t care if I win or lose, it’s a win win for me. A daily plus the fact that doing “real” PvP gives way more points on the reward track.

Aren’t you glad all of us daily people are in your arena now with you and not exploiting?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

morrolan.9608:

So people can’t exploit to get their dailies, good riddance.

I’ve always done the PvP dailies in the daily room. I find real PvP to get that one daily where I only need to show up isn’t that bad. I just run around the PvP area attacking people at random until the match is over and voilà! a daily is done. Since I don’t care if I win or lose, it’s a win win for me. A daily plus the fact that doing “real” PvP gives way more points on the reward track.

Aren’t you glad all of us daily people are in your arena now with you and not exploiting?

Psst, it matches your mmr for just your team, so the team you were on which lost probably still would have lost. This is assuming though that you have a low mmr.

Would be interesting that eventually all those who want to farm get put on the zero pip group, so it stops bothing people elsewhere.

VoxShatterfall.5470:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

morrolan.9608:

So people can’t exploit to get their dailies, good riddance.

I’ve always done the PvP dailies in the daily room. I find real PvP to get that one daily where I only need to show up isn’t that bad. I just run around the PvP area attacking people at random until the match is over and voilà! a daily is done. Since I don’t care if I win or lose, it’s a win win for me. A daily plus the fact that doing “real” PvP gives way more points on the reward track.

Aren’t you glad all of us daily people are in your arena now with you and not exploiting?

Psst, it matches your mmr for just your team, so the team you were on which lost probably still would have lost. This is assuming though that you have a low mmr.

Would be interesting that eventually all those who want to farm get put on the zero pip group, so it stops bothing people elsewhere.

I have no idea what mmr is or if I have any so I can’t say. Probably low to zero since I’ve only done the daily rooms. It can put me with other zero pip people for all of eternity for all I care. The only reason I even know what a pip is is because I sometimes read the PvP forums. /shrug

Oh well, it’s better rewards for the same amount of time and effort. The custom arenas only give half the number of points.

Match making rating.

Either way, eventually people just going for participation will remain at the lower tiered groupings.

Its wierd that people are upset, once you move out of the zero point group you will likely stop getting people who are playing for participation. The higher pip groups will likely never see a participation farmer. Heck, I don’t think anyone outside of low amber will see a participation farmer.

Exactly, people who will 100% afk every game for daily participation will stay at 0 pips so everyone actually doing pvp won’t play with them as long as they are further than what was it.. 15?? pips away from that.

I don’t get why you would afk though since there’s top stats daily and win with a certain class daily.
You can still get all 3 dailies done in a single match like this.