Guild Wars 2

So 8v8 is just a massive zerg fest, while 5v5 is only filled with ‘DUELERS’. What are excepted to do if we cant do tPvP?
A duel feature is needed immediately it can’t wait for a feb 2013 update, sPvP is nearly dieing -.-

I enjoy the duel servers. It works because people are pretty chill. Just, “I want to 1v1.” Ok, fight. You can observe and mess around until more people join then it goes back to normal. There should be more game modes like ffa with small events that occur. By events, I mean random changes to terrain like volcano erruptions, storms, earthquakes. Maybe have small buffs on the ground like in Dominion. Just some new stuff to play for some quick chaos, then back go back to the same old conquest.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

I enjoy the duel servers. It works because people are pretty chill. Just, “I want to 1v1.” Ok, fight. You can observe and mess around until more people join then it goes back to normal. There should be more game modes like ffa with small events that occur. By events, I mean random changes to terrain like volcano erruptions, storms, earthquakes. Maybe have small buffs on the ground like in Dominion. Just some new stuff to play for some quick chaos, then back go back to the same old conquest.

Except they aren’t duel servers, they are hotjoin 5v5, and the duel people get offended that people… gasp… actually join to play 5v5.

To the OP, just play, get some glory and win or leave. It’s on THEM to find another server to play, not you, they are the ones not playing the match, but I agree, it’s pretty pretentious the attitudes people have when you have the audacity to join, run and cap a point, and get a stern an ill-mannered “OMG we’re DUELING NOOB”.

Imo its rather selfish to ruin ppl who is duellings game, when u could just pick a different server, its not like every 5v5 server is duels.. Stop being a kitten and let ppl who wanna duel do it in peace.

Sjadi.6589:

Imo its rather selfish to ruin ppl who is duellings game, when u could just pick a different server, its not like every 5v5 server is duels.. Stop being a kitten and let ppl who wanna duel do it in peace.

IMO it’s pretentious to assume anyone joining a 7/10 hotjoin would know you’re dueling, let alone stop trying to get points when if you have a terrible attitude about it.

It’s like joining a hockey or a soccer online game and people telling you to get lost, we’re just working on passing… and then adding the word noob for good measure or worse.

It’s on YOU, to find another server, because you are not playing the game, we are. It’s really that simple. If you’re nice about it, I’ll probably leave, but the unfortunate fact about gamers in today’s culture is, 98% of you aren’t nice, and that’s putting it kindly.

Joined 3 matches one behind the other had to leave them all cause they were dueling, ended up joining 8v8.

aydenunited.5729:

Except they aren’t duel servers, they are hotjoin 5v5, and the duel people get offended that people… gasp… actually join to play 5v5.

Except, forget you. They are duel servers if there’s only a few people in the game. It’s not the community’s fault for not providing proper dueling options and arenas. So, you can either duel, argue, or gtfo out of them. Furthermore, there’s no kittening rules we have to obey by. If people want to join low pop servers and 5v5 l2duel or find a new game if you haven’t already. You’re all witnessing what happens when basic kittening options are not included.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

aydenunited.5729:

Except they aren’t duel servers, they are hotjoin 5v5, and the duel people get offended that people… gasp… actually join to play 5v5.

Except, forget you. They are duel servers if there’s only a few people in the game. It’s not the community’s fault for not providing proper dueling options and arenas. So, you can either duel, argue, or gtfo out of them. Furthermore, there’s no kittening rules we have to obey by. If people want to join low pop servers and 5v5 l2duel or find a new game if you haven’t already. You’re all witnessing what happens when basic kittening options are not included.

They are not duel servers, they are 5v5 servers.

And actually, the game is on our side. Our choices aren’t duel or get out… we can fight and take points as the mode is designed and do what we want… those options you posted are actually the choices of the people that wish to duel, as it should be, until the duel mode you want is added.

I try to join only 6/10 or higher, but it’s exactly the attitudes similar to the one present in the semantics of your post that make me just play now and ignore the complaints.

They need to add /duel to both the PvE world and PvP.

I mean, how hard can it be? They’ve already programmed costume brawl, just swap those abilities with actual profession abilities.

5v5 is too small for hotjoin. players go in and out in hotjoin, and in a 5v5 you really feel the loss of a single player. they just need a solo queue single match rated 5v5.

duel servers are fine.

@Aydenunited bro you got 3 options when you join a duel server. And It’s not hard to take a second to check if it’s a duel server or not.
1. Start dueling, it’s a great way to improve skill and how to counter and work against other classes.
2. Leave, find another server if you’re goal is to play hotjoins then capping points/kittening with duels isnt going to be the fight and you wont get even close to amount of glory as you would in a traditional 8v8.
3. You can just kitten with the duels and be an entitled kitten whole that thinks that they have rights because the play the “correct game mode”

You claim that the duelers should just leave to find another server, but dude 1 guy asking a group to leave because they arnt playing the right gamemode? That’s just kittened up…

That all sounds fine and dandy except that they are NOT. DUEL. SERVERS. You guys just claimed them as such, and you can call them that all day, but that doesn’t make them duel servers. They are 5v5 hotjoin.

The burden is on YOU if you don’t want to play the game the way it’s meant to be played, not the people joining to play. And when you back that up with attitude, it just makes it worse.

You’ll get your precious dueling mode in due time, but just because you like to call 5v5 “duel servers” doesn’t make it so.

The duelers want to be able to duel in the mists so they don’t have to server hop and hope that the players who join the server are duelers aswell or nice enough to let them duel in peace.
The non duelers want to be able to join a 5vs5 hot join server and just play as the game was designed.
I think its pretty obvious what this game needs right now, spectator mode and all the jazz is just fluff that wont stop a dieing game die. Not being able to duel friends/teammates/rivals is actually gamebreaking tbh.

Duel servers? There are not duel servers. Or was there a new update I did not hear about? If there were duel servers there would be either 2 slot servers with 1 vs. 1 or maybe a bigger server like 50 slots where 50 people can join and duel on a map – each one choosing someone to duel with with a duel skill(and they just could make this everywhere even in the PvE world). Damage taken only from the one you are dueling with.

If it is 5 vs. 5 I guess its just the same like 8 vs. 8 and even if you join a 5 vs. 5 where only 2 players are you can just play like a normal game and try to win and kill the enemy if they are in a 1 vs. 1. That’s how that game mode works and if everyone thought they were duel servers then there would be only 2 players everywhere because they would not fill with more players.

That is wrong. Not intended by ArenaNet.

If you want to complain about not being able to duel then complain to ArenaNet not to other players.

Private servers are on the way soon. Spectator mode has been mentioned as a priority. I’m all for dueling… what I’m not for is this entitled attitude that if you join a 5v5 currently, the person joining to play the actual game mode is somehow the idiot if they just happen to be joining a group that wants to duel.

I agree with you aydenunited. Another problem is that you somehow have to join the low populated servers and might get to one where only 1 vs 1 with 2 people is. Probably the 9/10 (10 slot server with 9 people there) are more likely to play the real game mode. But not possible to join there… you always click…. wait a few minutes and then connection error probably because the server is full and someone else joined.

They need to fix that. Needs to give a faster response so that you can join somewhere else or put you in queue there(with all the people leaving and joining every few seconds should not be a problem).

I understand both sides of the argument but the people joining the 3/10 or 4/10 servers, it should be pretty obvious they are dueling, and why would you join such a low pop server in the first place if you want to conquest? Also what is the fun of zerging and ruining the duel of 2 players which i see happen alot? wheres the fun in killing defenseless players and capping unguarded points..its just trolling.

If people are dueling in a server it should be obvious to respect that decision. Its a bit annoying that the servers are not properly labeled but everyone has to deal with that. Trying to force the gametype you want to play on others when most of them don’t feel the same way isn’t going to accomplish anything. Just going to empty the server and make everyone go back to the process of finding another server.

Honestly, because of the lack of a dueling 1v1 server, or 2v2 or 3v3, where guildies generally go in a 5v5 hot join match to try builds without interruptions when I notice people are not actually capping points and are somewhere in the middle watching 2 people fight, I either leave if I wish to actually play a round as intended on a different server, or ask to join to improve my own skills vs these new builds and classes.

It is bad taste in my opinion to just ruin it all for people because they are trying to find an empty server to do this in.

I also typically respect the duelers in these servers, simply because doing otherwise won’t accomplish anything. If people want to duel, they’re probably going to keep trying to duel even when I’m attempting to play normally, and if I interrupt their duels, it’s only going to be a matter of time until these players start ganging up on me to keep me from doing anything productive. It’s a situation where everyone loses, and it could have been avoided if I’d had some patience and found a server where people were actually playing 5v5. If they want to go ahead and call it a “duel server,” so be it, because so long as the duelers comprise the majority, the server probably won’t be anything else.

Also, a non-sarcastic tip for avoiding attitude from the duelers, since that seems to be aydeunited’s main issue: taking a look at the state of the score/cap points is usually a good way to identify dueling servers before you start capping/killing people and getting backlash. If one team has a much higher score than the other, and/or multiple cap points are neutral, you’re probably amongst duelers. To confirm, just ask in map chat if people are dueling. It does take a few seconds, but it’s a surefire way to make sure they don’t start acting entitled and yelling at you for trying to play normally.

The whole situation is unfortunate, and I agree that duelers don’t have the right to have an attitude when people unwittingly interrupt, because it’s not what 5v5 servers were originally intended for. The duelers don’t really have another place to go at this point, though, and if multiple people on a server agree to duel, I don’t see a reason why they should have to stop when one person who doesn’t want to wanders in.

aydenunited.5729:

They are not duel servers, they are 5v5 servers.

And actually, the game is on our side. Our choices aren’t duel or get out… we can fight and take points as the mode is designed and do what we want… those options you posted are actually the choices of the people that wish to duel, as it should be, until the duel mode you want is added.

I try to join only 6/10 or higher, but it’s exactly the attitudes similar to the one present in the semantics of your post that make me just play now and ignore the complaints.

I don’t care what you do, but you wouldn’t walk up to a public basketball court and proclaim, “Hey! This is a full court. So, stop playing half court! Because I say so!” No, you wouldn’t because you’d get your face pushed in. Same rules apply in dueling servers. If you want to ruin peoples fun instead of finding a different server…You’re going to get stomped. It’s your choice. Maybe if people took dueling seriously in the first kittening place we wouldn’t be in this mess. Instead, dueling receives nothing but hysterical and irrational arguments. Dueling should be embraced with loving arms. Instead, it’s shunned and disregarded left in the gutter without shoes or clothes. However, there are noble soldiers who cling to the very essence of the most chivalrous game. We are few. We are proud. We are duelers.

I spent hours in duels daily and I love it, when I want a team game I join a larger filled game, its the best of both worlds thanks to duels I’ve learn’t to beat allot of classes which I used to get steam rolled by.

Duels are a perfect place to learn player skill.

I always ask people if they are dueling if I see a low pop server and usually I ask if I can join them if there are some builds I need to understand better.

I don’t see anything wrong with people dueling. Those people are trying to understand the meta and in my opinion. That makes the game better.

The 8v8’s are terrible for this game. The maps are designed around 5v5, not 8v8. It wasn’t until late in beta that they made it 8v8. Mainly because they thought that it would be better for noobs to get into SPvP.

If people are dueling you should let them out of respect. [yes you can respect people you don’t know]
If you want to play 5v5; go back to Mists and look for 8/10; or 9/10 and join. Problem solved.
Not every player has an attitude and will call you a noob and onslaught you with insults just because you started capping points. Almost every player will insult you if you disrespect them or call them wrong for dueling when THEY WERE THERE FIRST.
I’m not saying either situation is right or wrong; it just is our current situation thanks to ANET. Both parties should respect each other and skip the name calling and finger pointing.

Yeah I’m one of those duelists. We often try out builds or just 1v1 for the fun of it in the guild, and I’m always sorry to ask people to leave or don’t attack us because we’re dueling. After all, they have every right to be in the server and play the game as it’s meant to be played, and it makes me feel like we’re occupying public space. :\

So yeah, bring in a dueling option plz.

Wow everyone is so cranky in this game.
IMO the players that were there first are entitled to duel or not duel.
When you are playing on a BBall court; whoever is there first decides what game is being played. Even if they are playing on a half court; no one can come along and kick them out because the court was meant to be played 5v5 using the full court. analogy shattered
By all means; do whatever you want when you join a server; but don’t expect your team to back you up when you start getting smoked every time you leave your base.
I wouldn’t call you names or anything; I’d just constantly duel YOU every time you tried to leave home base. If your “team” (which is really my guild in my personal case) on the opposite team doesn’t back you up; you’ll have no choice but to leave or duel with us.
It sucks but theres no reason for either side to be a puppy about it.

Zatria.5783:

Panther Chameleon.8465:

aydenunited.5729:

They are not duel servers, they are 5v5 servers.

And actually, the game is on our side. Our choices aren’t duel or get out… we can fight and take points as the mode is designed and do what we want… those options you posted are actually the choices of the people that wish to duel, as it should be, until the duel mode you want is added.

I try to join only 6/10 or higher, but it’s exactly the attitudes similar to the one present in the semantics of your post that make me just play now and ignore the complaints.

I don’t care what you do, but you wouldn’t walk up to a public basketball court and proclaim, “Hey! This is a full court. So, stop playing half court! Because I say so!” No, you wouldn’t because you’d get your face pushed in. Same rules apply in dueling servers. If you want to ruin peoples fun instead of finding a different server…You’re going to get stomped. It’s your choice. Maybe if people took dueling seriously in the first kittening place we wouldn’t be in this mess. Instead, dueling receives nothing but hysterical and irrational arguments. Dueling should be embraced with loving arms. Instead, it’s shunned and disregarded left in the gutter without shoes or clothes. However, there are noble soldiers who cling to the very essence of the most chivalrous game. We are few. We are proud. We are duelers.

First, let me say I could care less if people are dueling. I’d just move on to another server.

But, your analogy is pure crap. There are rules set in place here by the maker of the game. If they wanted those servers to be dueling servers, they would have made them that way. You can’t compare a designed system to a street ball game.

Honestly, what the hell is wrong with all of you people thinking you are entitled to everything, including making your own rules in a game that already has them?

Gimme, gimme and more gimme.

Exactly.

It’s more like me bringing my friends to play basketball, that we play every week there, and suddenly you’ve decided to do yoga in the middle of my basketball court, just because you like it there. If you’re polite, we will let you do your thing, but if you’re a pretentious jerk saying “WTF NOOB THIS IS A YOGA COURT” then me and my friends will just play ball there because it’s a BASKETBALL COURT.

And let’s not make this “our” fault, the people trying to play the game… if you’re respectful, I have no problem giving you your space, and I do… and I never join a 5v5 less than 6/10. And frustrated as I am, I usually end up leaving, after reporting someone for calling me one of several bannable terms for trying to play the actual mode.

It’s the “pretentious attitude” part that’s the problem, not the dueling in and of itself.

aydenunited.5729:

Zatria.5783:

Panther Chameleon.8465:

aydenunited.5729:

They are not duel servers, they are 5v5 servers.

And actually, the game is on our side. Our choices aren’t duel or get out… we can fight and take points as the mode is designed and do what we want… those options you posted are actually the choices of the people that wish to duel, as it should be, until the duel mode you want is added.

I try to join only 6/10 or higher, but it’s exactly the attitudes similar to the one present in the semantics of your post that make me just play now and ignore the complaints.

I don’t care what you do, but you wouldn’t walk up to a public basketball court and proclaim, “Hey! This is a full court. So, stop playing half court! Because I say so!” No, you wouldn’t because you’d get your face pushed in. Same rules apply in dueling servers. If you want to ruin peoples fun instead of finding a different server…You’re going to get stomped. It’s your choice. Maybe if people took dueling seriously in the first kittening place we wouldn’t be in this mess. Instead, dueling receives nothing but hysterical and irrational arguments. Dueling should be embraced with loving arms. Instead, it’s shunned and disregarded left in the gutter without shoes or clothes. However, there are noble soldiers who cling to the very essence of the most chivalrous game. We are few. We are proud. We are duelers.

First, let me say I could care less if people are dueling. I’d just move on to another server.

But, your analogy is pure crap. There are rules set in place here by the maker of the game. If they wanted those servers to be dueling servers, they would have made them that way. You can’t compare a designed system to a street ball game.

Honestly, what the hell is wrong with all of you people thinking you are entitled to everything, including making your own rules in a game that already has them?

Gimme, gimme and more gimme.

Exactly.

It’s more like me bringing my friends to play basketball, that we play every week there, and suddenly you’ve decided to do yoga in the middle of my basketball court, just because you like it there. If you’re polite, we will let you do your thing, but if you’re a pretentious jerk saying “WTF NOOB THIS IS A YOGA COURT” then me and my friends will just play ball there because it’s a BASKETBALL COURT.

And let’s not make this “our” fault, the people trying to play the game… if you’re respectful, I have no problem giving you your space, and I do… and I never join a 5v5 less than 6/10. And frustrated as I am, I usually end up leaving, after reporting someone for calling me one of several bannable terms for trying to play the actual mode.

It’s the “pretentious attitude” part that’s the problem, not the dueling in and of itself.

actually depends on whose court it is if i own that court and decide to kick you out and do yoga yes

I think the best and quickest solution right now is to add 2 slot rooms, then you will know those will be 100% sure a duel room.
On a long term, add private rooms, or even a duel mechanic where it takes you both(or more, party vs party maybe?) to a private custom and smaller map, similar to an arena.

aydenunited.5729:

IMO it’s pretentious to assume anyone joining a 7/10 hotjoin would know you’re dueling, let alone stop trying to get points when if you have a terrible attitude about it.

It’s like joining a hockey or a soccer online game and people telling you to get lost, we’re just working on passing… and then adding the word noob for good measure or worse.

It’s on YOU, to find another server, because you are not playing the game, we are. It’s really that simple. If you’re nice about it, I’ll probably leave, but the unfortunate fact about gamers in today’s culture is, 98% of you aren’t nice, and that’s putting it kindly.

Usually duel servers are not 7/10 but more like 2-4/10, and i never joined a duelling server where ppl had a bad attitude, i dont know where u are playing but ppl allways ask me nicely to not interfere if duelling, imo u sound alot like u just want a reason to be a kitten. Remeber this is the only way ppl have to duel, by ruining it u take that option away, WHEN U COULD JUST HAVE SPENT THAT 20secs FINDING ANOHTER SERVER. Selfish kid is selfish.

@aydenunited

There is enough servers for everyone. Everytime I check half of the 5v5 servers are empty, why do you care so much if some people are using some of those empty ones to do some 1v1s ?

For your yoga/basketball analogy : It’s more like there is 20 basketball field next to each other and some people are doing yoga on one of them. You then go in, hit them in the face with your ball and complain about it.

DertoQq.4820:

@aydenunited

There is enough servers for everyone. Everytime I check half of the 5v5 servers are empty, why do you care so much if some people are using some of those empty ones to do some 1v1s ?

For your yoga/basketball analogy : It’s more like there is 20 basketball field next to each other and some people are doing yoga on one of them. You then go in, hit them in the face with your ball and complain about it.

Except you can’t tell right away they’re doing yoga, and they get upset when you pass them the ball and it hits them in the face. That’s more accurate. And since it’s a basketball court, I was in the right for assuming we were playing ball here.

That’s what I’m talking about. I could care less if you do your 1v1s, but don’t get upset when players join and start playing before they realize what you’re doing. Sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes it isn’t.

i hit play now. if people are dueling i just go triple cap then kill the duelers for free glory.

i go in there to glory farm because of the stupid system. if i want a fair skill based fight i run tounrys.

A nice step to help this would be the relableing of rooms. Instead of server 5 you could have “dueling 5” or “standard 5”.

People duel on servers because they have the desire and it is their only method. Getting upset about that is a personal issue.

There are bleep-holes in all areas of the game. Getting frustrated by that is understandable and the only thing you can do about it is refuse to pass that mentality on while displaying patience and kindness.

Side note: a one person difference in 5 man hotjoin is much too dramatic. I would really like to see 2 man cues for each server when they sit at an even number.

I dont have anything against those duelists. Nothing that works…
Nah, honestly I think it´s fine if people want to duel but they should accept that most people are going into 5v5 because they want to… play 5v5…
It happens a lot that i accidently join a duel 5v5.
If they ever asked me to kindly switch the spvp server, I´d do it.
But lots of them are offending jerks, so… yeh I end up ruining their “duels” until they leave.

there is no other way to duel besides using one of the hotjoin servers and agreeing as a community. there’s really nothing wrong with that. why don’t you just start a not-dueling-5v5-server?

Zatria.5783:

First, let me say I could care less if people are dueling. I’d just move on to another server.

Good. Now, if we can get other whiners to do exactly that.

aydenunited.5729:

Except you can’t tell right away they’re doing yoga, and they get upset when you pass them the ball and it hits them in the face.

This is not the communities fault. Again, if Anet would embrace dueling rather than disregarding it there would be easy distinction between 5v5 servers and 1v1 servers. So, you wouldn’t have to join a server and take 4 seconds of you time to ask,“are you dueling?” before leaving the gate. But, if that’s too hard for people to do I could understand how this would seem like a ‘plague’.

aydenunited.5729:

That’s what I’m talking about. I could care less if you do your 1v1s, but don’t get upset when players join and start playing before they realize what you’re doing. Sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes it isn’t.

Likewise. Don’t get upset when everyone gangs up on you for ruining a good show.

The phrase is “I couldn’t care less.” Also, using metaphors in an online argument about video games is a complete waste of time as no metaphor is 100% accurate and the person arguing on the other side will always pick apart the 1% inaccuracy.

Tips.

And there are people taking this game far too seriously, it is just a game and supposed to be fun.

Duelling is a great idea, I hope they implement a good duelling system. In the mean time be kind to one another.

Out of all the games I have ever played, people in GW2 are the most touchy and most cruel to each other.. The reason why im thinking about ditching this game is not because of the bugs, crashes or boring story mode; it is because of you bunch of moaning in-polite little twerps :-p

P.s the word “noob” and all its variants should be band or filtered from the game.

dimyzuka.7051:

it should be pretty obvious they are dueling

I don’t accept that as an argument actually. When I join a 5v5 server I expect there to be a sPvP match in progress. This whole idea of “Duel Servers” is nonesense. Especially considering these days whenever you press the “play now” button you usually get sent to a server with 1 or 2 people dueling in it.

I get that the community has decided that they are duel servers, and that there are now socialised expectations, but that doesn’t make it right. What about those of us who actually want to use the servers for what they were designed for? I don’t see why the burden should be on us to move?

In any other walk of life if you are using a public area/service for something it wasn’t designed for, and even one person came along to use it for its actual purpose most people (I would hope) would move on for the person who wanted it for its purpose.

iced cooly.5794:

Out of all the games I have ever played, people in GW2 are the most touchy and most cruel to each other..

It didn’t seem that way at first, but it has gotten worse. Also, this is just as true in WOW – there are plenty of jerks/trolls.

If I stumble into a server where they’re dueling, I typically just leave and find another server (unless I actually feel like dueling). I agree that the servers are not for dueling but I’m not going to sit there and try to fight with them even though they are technically the ones in the wrong.

I also never use the “Play Now” button, I always look for 7/10, 8/10, 9/10 servers and join those (which reminds me, they need to fix the issue where if you can’t get into the server you have to wait for a minute before you can try another one – annoying).