Guild Wars 2

Lordrosicky.5813:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Fine but the context is that october 1st is already 2 months after people wanted changes. So don’f forget that. If they delay something which already got delayed for stupid reasons then people should not accept it.

We were told 2 weeks ago in an official pre-release balance patch notes that we will get balance on october 15, This automatically superceded any previous mentioned of october 1, to anybody that doesn’t like to QQ for the sake of QQ.

We have a lot to QQ about (as an ele I do), but this isn’t one of them.

silvermember.8941:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Fine but the context is that october 1st is already 2 months after people wanted changes. So don’f forget that. If they delay something which already got delayed for stupid reasons then people should not accept it.

We were told 2 weeks ago in an official pre-release balance patch notes that we will get balance on october 15, This automatically superceded any previous mentioned of october 1, to anybody that doesn’t like to QQ for the sake of QQ.

We have a lot to QQ about (as an ele I do), but this isn’t one of them.

Anyway who cares about spvp? Devs clearly don’t.

>> WvW seasons ftw

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Why do the devs care whether some people complain or not. Are there feewlings going to get hurt? They are not required to read anything on these forums. They should post the patch notes to get the feedback negative or positive. Its like this on every game forum. I know you played Warhammer for years. Some people were very negative there. But you know what? The devs still posted patch notes and started threads about upcoming changes and waded through the negativity to try to find the constructive posts and had give and take in the threads with the player base We deserve no less here. They sure have time to talk about stupid tournaments though that .00005% of the player base participates in and 2% watches.

This patch will change the meta for years to come and everyone will remember it as the tyranny of conjured weapons eles.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Because it would be such a big deal if they gave us UPDATE notes on what they are changing how they were going about changes and what not, until they changes actually launched. I do not see any problems there. If they showed us Ideas on what they had, (such as the leaked notes) we could know what direction they were going. Who cares if it was “subject to change”, then we wouldn’t need a release date.

This company has failed to be transparent since the beginning.

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Marcos.3690:

silvermember.8941:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Fine but the context is that october 1st is already 2 months after people wanted changes. So don’f forget that. If they delay something which already got delayed for stupid reasons then people should not accept it.

We were told 2 weeks ago in an official pre-release balance patch notes that we will get balance on october 15, This automatically superceded any previous mentioned of october 1, to anybody that doesn’t like to QQ for the sake of QQ.

We have a lot to QQ about (as an ele I do), but this isn’t one of them.

Anyway who cares about spvp? Devs clearly don’t.

>> WvW seasons ftw

Come to wvw forums.

“The devs don’t care about wvw, only spvp” and now official Anet developers even start to harass in wvw while wearing their Anet tag. I think they intentionally want to ruin their game.

Bhawb.7408:

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Marcos.3690:

silvermember.8941:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Fine but the context is that october 1st is already 2 months after people wanted changes. So don’f forget that. If they delay something which already got delayed for stupid reasons then people should not accept it.

We were told 2 weeks ago in an official pre-release balance patch notes that we will get balance on october 15, This automatically superceded any previous mentioned of october 1, to anybody that doesn’t like to QQ for the sake of QQ.

We have a lot to QQ about (as an ele I do), but this isn’t one of them.

Anyway who cares about spvp? Devs clearly don’t.

>> WvW seasons ftw

Yep, i agree, why would they care about a mode the wasted resources on.

Achilles.2197:

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Because every single thing they say can and will be used against them. Want devs to post on the forums and keep open with you? Then don’t be a kitten when you don’t get what you want. kitten happens, plans change, but if the devs know that if they ever post anything on the forums, and then something happens, that they will be abused over it, guess what? They stop posting.

Someone dug up a 25 day old thread to complain about the devs. That isn’t helpful, isn’t constructive, all it does is make it even harder for them to be open about what they are doing, or risk the wrath of keyboard warriors.

You guys get so worked up lol.

silvermember.8941:

We were told 2 weeks ago in an official pre-release balance patch notes that we will get balance on october 15, This automatically superceded any previous mentioned of october 1, to anybody that doesn’t like to QQ for the sake of QQ.

We have a lot to QQ about (as an ele I do), but this isn’t one of them.

To be precise, nothing really balanced will come on 15/10 (the soonest) as they still intend to buff warriors and guardians…..ROTFL.
This is becoming pathetic.

Bhawb.7408:

Achilles.2197:

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Because every single thing they say can and will be used against them. Want devs to post on the forums and keep open with you? Then don’t be a kitten when you don’t get what you want. kitten happens, plans change, but if the devs know that if they ever post anything on the forums, and then something happens, that they will be abused over it, guess what? They stop posting.

Someone dug up a 25 day old thread to complain about the devs. That isn’t helpful, isn’t constructive, all it does is make it even harder for them to be open about what they are doing, or risk the wrath of keyboard warriors.

O get off your soapbox dude.

And O NOOOO THEY MIGHT STOP POSTING!!!!!!!!!! What will we do!!! In case you hadn’t noticed, nothing they post ever contains any information whatsoever.

Bhawb.7408:

Achilles.2197:

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Because every single thing they say can and will be used against them. Want devs to post on the forums and keep open with you? Then don’t be a kitten when you don’t get what you want. kitten happens, plans change, but if the devs know that if they ever post anything on the forums, and then something happens, that they will be abused over it, guess what? They stop posting.

Someone dug up a 25 day old thread to complain about the devs. That isn’t helpful, isn’t constructive, all it does is make it even harder for them to be open about what they are doing, or risk the wrath of keyboard warriors.

Your post comes 9 month too late. PVP was already in a bad state since release and not only due to not existing qol changes but also because devs are so tight-lipped about upcoming balance patches. Best example is the vague post by J. Sharp compared to the leaked patch notes. Shows exactly how Arenanet involves community.

PVP was a non-starter from the beginning….slow progress, wrong priorities and secrecy burried the game. There is no competition anymore and right now we know that they already made changes but dont implement them and instead testing them on there test servers (or worse- they holding them back due to management decisions). The next patch will very likely be like the necromancer buff…they overbuff things because they dont know a kitten which skills causing imbalance.
I cant remember when the last balance patch was (even 4 weeks before PAX they said that they will not balance anymore) not to mention when the last progress patch was.

With the 15th october patch, they probably want to show “Hey guys we still working on it” but it will be a drop in the bucket.

I will not come back because #Deadgameisdead and Anet developers fooled me more than twice in the past.

They’ve actually put out quite a bit of useful information over the past few months, compared to the time between the beginning of the game and then, where we basically saw… nothing.

Bhawb.7408:

Someone dug up a 25 day old thread to complain about the devs. That isn’t helpful, isn’t constructive, all it does is make it even harder for them to be open about what they are doing, or risk the wrath of keyboard warriors.

I didn’t dig this up, It was the last forum I visited before I stopped visiting these forums altogether. I was under the impression the balance patch was today. Sure the people that visit these everyday would have known about the push back, but for someone that hasn’t touched them for 25 days will feel a bit upset. Also hard to be constructive on the subject of a patch date, complaining that what he said ended up being false is valid.

On the subject of “The complainers are the reason we are not seeing balance notes/dates.”. Is completely invalid. Have you forgotten the reason MMO’s have forums? The only reason we have complainers is because we have no information, no information no constructive feedback.

Now I’m not one to be a hypocrite so here is some constructive feedback. Stop giving out dates altogether because I do indeed understand that there can be hiccups in the development process. Also Instead of posting “balance previews” in the forum section only.. , maybe consider making a blog post that shows up on under the News feed on the Guild wars 2 homepage linking to a forum that others can share their thoughts on. Monitor it highly the first couple days to get ride of derails and trolls. Is this idea good? Probably not, but it would have stopped me from bumping this dead forum and pointing out that what Jon said was wrong.

No Gov No Balance

Lack of research on your part is not Anets issue. Google is your friend. You will see when and what is being updated.

Sorry for checking forums for GW2 info.

1. leaked patch notes wont be posted on anet’s forums.

2. Anet’s stickied notes on the patches (very general) note the upcoming patch date I believe (sorry for getting to the point, I see a lot of people checking this thread, but no official word here).

October 15th i believe is the date when all gets reset, and balance … it’s the pvp/wvw update… not the pve update. I did see that some balance items were included in this patch but not listed, I think related to wvw (red/green keep bug)?

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

looks like something has changed and none was worried to tell us before the patch comes out and make whole SPVP community rage… sry if i only missed it in some comment, but it would be nice to have it highlighted somewhere

how about making a locked topic where would be only SPVP news? e.g. we are working on A, B and C, blog post about A comming in few weeks, balance patch delayed to x.×. or links to blog posts about upcomming changes… important SPVP information on 1 place

Achilles.2197:

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

GW2’s lifecycle in a nutshell.

tronjeremy.5820:

No Gov No Balance

There’s the root cause. The Government is behind it all. Send an angrily worded letter to your Senator today for more frequent balance patches.

Seriously guys, you can’t blast them for not having a patch Oct. 1 when they already said it would be the 15th.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Well said. +1

Bhawb.7408:

Achilles.2197:

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Because every single thing they say can and will be used against them. Want devs to post on the forums and keep open with you? Then don’t be a kitten when you don’t get what you want. kitten happens, plans change, but if the devs know that if they ever post anything on the forums, and then something happens, that they will be abused over it, guess what? They stop posting.

Someone dug up a 25 day old thread to complain about the devs. That isn’t helpful, isn’t constructive, all it does is make it even harder for them to be open about what they are doing, or risk the wrath of keyboard warriors.

How dare you take the evil anet side!!! Everybody knows they hate hate hate (sob) us and pvp in general – they only put it in the game to begin with to TORTURE us (wah)!!! Everybody knows the balance patch will just intentionally screw up the meta in yet ANOTHER way and we will be even more justified in posting thread after thread about how Anet created this game only to torture us and tease us with their BS “esport” promises that they only ever intended to NOT keep. Don’t you realize that the devs hate pvp?!?! They spent all the time and effort implementing it just strictly to tease and torture us!! /cry

Seriously though, it’s a waste of time trying to talk sense in here – everybody just wants to kitten and moan like they know what development of a large scale game like this takes. After all, how can you argue with people who are capable of reading the minds of the devs and are in a position to question their competence?!? All you can do is shake your head and laugh…

Achilles.2197:

Bhawb.7408:

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Yep, it’s so sad.

There isnt any pro player still playing gw2 :/

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Achilles.2197:

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

GW2’s lifecycle in a nutshell.

-^^^^- this -^^^^-

The truth is somewhere in the middle..Its not that they dont care about pvp,hate us and want to torture us..But still i cant ignore the fact that they dont give us pvp qol improvements very often, as often as in pve at least..A new map aint something new for pvp, changing some secondary objects aint gonna change the main conquest strategy..Builds stay the same,roles are too linear,classes cant try new things cause they depend to much in certain traits-traitlines-skills…Portal, empathetic bond, arcane power traitline, stand your ground guardian skill….these are some of the examples…Things that are too strong and they are not leaving room for other things to replace em.My biggest complain about pvp is that i cant try out new skills, new traits without being killed by someone who just copy pasted a build

Dardamaniac.1295:

The truth is somewhere in the middle..Its not that they dont care about pvp,hate us and want to torture us..But still i cant ignore the fact that they dont give us pvp qol improvements very often, as often as in pve at least..A new map aint something new for pvp, changing some secondary objects aint gonna change the main conquest strategy..Builds stay the same,roles are too linear,classes cant try new things cause they depend to much in certain traits-traitlines-skills…Portal, empathetic bond, arcane power traitline, stand your ground guardian skill….these are some of the examples…Things that are too strong and they are not leaving room for other things to replace em.My biggest complain about pvp is that i cant try out new skills, new traits without being killed by someone who just copy pasted a build

Actually I’d say condi necros got some place for customization. There are 3-4 viable main condi setups (for example, 30/30/0/0/10, 30/20/0/0/20 or 0/20/20/0/30) and loads of useful traits within each line.

Marcos.3690:

Achilles.2197:

Bhawb.7408:

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Yep, it’s so sad.

There isnt any pro player still playing gw2 :/

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t. If you need the validation of some random player to enjoy a game, well you got issues and lots of it.

From my experience pro players are the first ones to leave an MMORPG (moba they don’t becasue of the huge cash prizes), so them leaving is just repeating history.

silvermember.8941:

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t. If you need the validation of some random player to enjoy a game, well you got issues and lots of it.

From my experience pro players are the first ones to leave an MMORPG (moba they don’t becasue of the huge cash prizes), so them leaving is just repeating history.

Actually that’s very much wrong. Pro players from GW1 still play to this day (post-GW2-ocalypse).

IDK, the mists seem busier now than ever and top players are always quitting every game. What matters is the size/activity of the pvp community as a whole.

silvermember.8941:

Marcos.3690:

Achilles.2197:

Bhawb.7408:

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Yep, it’s so sad.

There isnt any pro player still playing gw2 :/

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t. If you need the validation of some random player to enjoy a game, well you got issues and lots of it.

From my experience pro players are the first ones to leave an MMORPG (moba they don’t becasue of the huge cash prizes), so them leaving is just repeating history.

I will explain:

GW2 in a nutshell

Good players leave -> no good teams → Mediocre teams winning tournaments -> tournaments uninteresting -> low viewership -> low cash prizes -> Good players leave -> Repeat x times -> … -> Game dead

silvermember.8941:

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t.

Thats because you arent pro enough.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Marcos.3690:

I will explain:

GW2 in a nutshell

Good players leave -> no good teams -> Mediocre teams winning tournaments -> tournaments uninteresting -> low viewership -> low cash prizes -> Good players leave -> Repeat x times -> … -> Game dead

Let me explain :
LoL game desingers treat kids as stupid bings (like the recent event with nerfed Zak

> desingers told that they normailized Zak , while the prick pro was claimining that the game <<must>> only ballanced in the pro gamers
> the desingers said <<if u instist to hyperbol , i will stop responding>>
> casuals = money
>money = more games goes got the LoL championship

If u are going to hyperboal , i will too !!!!!

1) I don’t care about lol nor its devs.
2) What I explained is a true gw2 problem. If you don’t believe me watch the tourneys and pay attention. Are the players making good players or being carried by standard tactics+cheese builds. How many people is viewing the tournaments? Is the viewership increasing or decreasing ? How’s the ingame population?

1) Like some ppl that are saying we must copy LoL tactics , we must go all the way !
2) Chesse builds there will always be . and will 1.000$ dollars 40 kids are showing us what cheese builts there are + are working as <<online testers>> in the same time . We cant messure the online population , because u can <<hop in>> from anywhere to the world (like the community wanted) :P

Achilles.2197:

silvermember.8941:

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t. If you need the validation of some random player to enjoy a game, well you got issues and lots of it.

From my experience pro players are the first ones to leave an MMORPG (moba they don’t becasue of the huge cash prizes), so them leaving is just repeating history.

Actually that’s very much wrong. Pro players from GW1 still play to this day (post-GW2-ocalypse).

They are always exceptions to the rule, just like newton’s law is not applicable once you hit subatomic level. (just as a heads up, I meant MMORPG not the whole spectrum of games).

Achilles.2197:

Actually that’s very much wrong. Pro players from GW1 still play to this day (post-GW2-ocalypse).

And yet GW1 was so inactive in PvP they made the decision to close down parts of it. There are people that still play Runescape competitively, it doesn’t make Runescape a good PvP game, and it doesn’t show anything about how many people might have left Runescape, it just shows that there are people who get completely stuck on one game and refuse to leave it despite how bad it has gotten.

Marcos.3690:

silvermember.8941:

Marcos.3690:

Achilles.2197:

Bhawb.7408:

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Yep, it’s so sad.

There isnt any pro player still playing gw2 :/

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t. If you need the validation of some random player to enjoy a game, well you got issues and lots of it.

From my experience pro players are the first ones to leave an MMORPG (moba they don’t becasue of the huge cash prizes), so them leaving is just repeating history.

I will explain:

GW2 in a nutshell

Good players leave -> no good teams -> Mediocre teams winning tournaments -> tournaments uninteresting -> low viewership -> low cash prizes -> Good players leave -> Repeat x times -> … -> Game dead

That is a good point, but what IF you the reason you PvP was entirely because you enjoy the thrill of PvPing? What if, the reason some people PvP was simply because they enjoy PvP? I know it is so weird right, it is almost inhuman to think other players do things for non monetary gain.

GankSinatra.2653:

silvermember.8941:

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t.

Thats because you arent pro enough.

Ok, if you say so random internet guy.

silvermember.8941:

Marcos.3690:

silvermember.8941:

Marcos.3690:

Achilles.2197:

Bhawb.7408:

Dardamaniac.1295:

So sad..False hopes are bad…I wonder if even 15th oct will be the date…

This. This is why the devs can never post anything they are ever working on. This is why we never get dates. Because of posts like this. Congratulations.

Because waiting 4 months wasn’t long enough. Because the tiny 4k viewers turning into 1k isn’t sad. Because top players quitting is progress. Because the thousands of upset players isn’t enough. Because it’s so hashtagWorth

Yep, it’s so sad.

There isnt any pro player still playing gw2 :/

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t. If you need the validation of some random player to enjoy a game, well you got issues and lots of it.

From my experience pro players are the first ones to leave an MMORPG (moba they don’t becasue of the huge cash prizes), so them leaving is just repeating history.

I will explain:

GW2 in a nutshell

Good players leave -> no good teams -> Mediocre teams winning tournaments -> tournaments uninteresting -> low viewership -> low cash prizes -> Good players leave -> Repeat x times -> … -> Game dead

That is a good point, but what IF you the reason you PvP was entirely because you enjoy the thrill of PvPing? What if, the reason some people PvP was simply because they enjoy PvP? I know it is so weird right, it is almost inhuman to think other players do things for non monetary gain.

GankSinatra.2653:

silvermember.8941:

Who cares if they are no pro players playing guild wars 2, I certainly don’t.

Thats because you arent pro enough.

Ok, if you say so random internet guy.

Game might be enjoyable if it was balanced. And that’s the second problem.

So:

1) No good players. No achievements. No motivation.
2) No balance. No fun

If you add to this list

3) Bugs that exist since forever. Only one game mode. Insanely slow developing. Very low population

You have GW2

silvermember.8941:

They are always exceptions to the rule, just like newton’s law is not applicable once you hit subatomic level. (just as a heads up, I meant MMORPG not the whole spectrum of games).

I guess GW1 doesn’t fall into MMORPG. Silly me for believing it to be categorized as it is on, well, everything.

Also, if the fact that it’s dedicated PvP playerbase is considered “dead” yet still pulls in more interest in high-end PvP than it’s prodigy, I would agree that it’s an exceptional game.

i hope they are changing some of the things in there. the wvw mesmer could definitely need some love and the warrior needs a big shave in wvw. seriously balance team, play the game in all game modes, play each class and u will see the issues. mesmers pretty good in spvp, but in zergs are veil/portal/tw bots. i like to play my mesmer and i like to wvw in zergs not roaming, so stop forcing me to use a warrior only because u completely fail to balance.
and pleas split spvp again from wvw. eles are more than fine in wvw, warriors are op and skillless godmode, necros are too much too their scepter even hit u through walls, guardians retal and stability is too much, engis are ok, rangers up due to pet dying in 2 seconds, but at least has some aoe, mesmers up due to lack of aoe , clones die too fast, phantasm miss, no stability, squishy, thieves have been a pain for like ever, but oh well im sorta used to be ganked by them by now.

so far all i see is eles buffed (good in spvp, unneeded in wvw)
warriors buffed( wtf? they are already godmode in wvw. no risk just jump in hack slash mass cc and collect badges, no counterplay)
mesmers get a mantra buff(seriously?noone ever uses this and in wvw i dont have the time to cast a mantra nor can spec in matras to actually make this somewhat useful, either buff confusion for mesmers or give us more viable access to soe as the lones die in 2 seconds in a zerg)