Guild Wars 2

Why not just have ranked tournaments and unranked hotjoin?

I dont understand why you would want to discourage people from doing ranked tournys by putting some stupid barrier in the way….which is a barrier that means nobody is going to do the “paid” tournys (they arent even “paid” but more like “grind” tournys – to get the tickets).

Just imagine if whenever you wanted to go to WvW the game said “Give me 5 dailies worth of stuff (1 gold) to enter for 15 minutes” (5 tickets = 5 dailies) (5 pve dailies = around 1 gold).

Wouldnt it just be better to introduce a matchmaking system and just make all tournaments have no entry fee but give out ranking points on the basis of a players performance?

Lordrosicky.5813:

Why not just have ranked tournaments and unranked hotjoin?

I dont understand why you would want to discourage people from doing ranked tournys by putting some stupid barrier in the way….which is a barrier that means nobody is going to do the “paid” tournys (they arent even “paid” but more like “grind” tournys – to get the tickets).

Just imagine if whenever you wanted to go to WvW the game said “Give me 5 dailies worth of stuff (1 gold) to enter for 15 minutes” (5 tickets = 5 dailies) (5 pve dailies = around 1 gold).

Wouldnt it just be better to introduce a matchmaking system and just make all tournaments have no entry fee but give out ranking points on the basis of a players performance?

It totally would.

However, ArenaNet messed up their gem-store from day 1, and instead of producing quality skins and other cosmetics, such as permanent finishers, silly items such as a hoolahoop, a bongo-drum and other stuff that you can put out on the floor, they decided to construct their own demise by making a Pay-each-time-you-want-to-Play mechanic in their otherwise pay-once-to-play game.

I was under the impression that I bought the whole game, including PvP, like they said:
Quote: " You get a complete and playable game no matter what, but we think we can provide additional content and services that you’d be happy to pay for. And when you pay for them, you help fund our support of Guild Wars 2 in a way that benefits all players of the game."

I cannot access as many tournaments as I want to. I am required to purchase gems to be able to do so. Meaning I didn’t get the full game.

While they’re at it, that guy they hired from Nexon should introduce “Dungeon Tickets”

To enter a dungeon from now on, a Dungeon Ticket is required, costing 200 gems each. If you wipe, you’re kicked out of the dungeon and will need to pay again to enter.

You know, cuz it’s “an additional service we think you’d be happy to pay for”

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

Geewoody.2017:

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

Really? Interesting. I’ve been doing a fair amount of frees lately and generally only the first round has low ranked pugs. Occasionally the second, and almost never the third. Instead, I’ve found us constantly going up against rank 35-50+ guilds and pugs made up from the best paid teams.

Agree, this game needs to get rid of the kitten ticket system, and add a ‘rating system’ just like that game we all used to love. Its the only way to keep people playing and have some kind of progression.

Rename paid to “Ranked” to be honest. And then make a legit ranking system.

I see no significant reason to go in paids when you can play free’s and get competition.
You have 5×5 hot join, which is the same as 5×5 free’s except you can’t organize yourselves. Then you have 5×5 paids which is the same as free’s but you get slightly greater rewards but have an entrance fee too.
I don’t get why anyone plays paids, other than the idea that it should be the upper-echelon of play, not like a couple ranks 3’s who got 5 days worth of dailys couldn’t go and get stomped there too every 5 days. It seems tacked on and completely unneeded.

Geewoody.2017:

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

That’s where Matchmaking rating comes into play.
If you have an MMR system then strong players play strong players and lower ranked players play players at their level.
It’s not fun when you stomp people or get stomped all the time.
Most fun matches come when the two teams are closely matched and the game has up and downs.

Imagine you are a bronze player in starcraft 2 meeting grandmaster players all the time or vice versa, wouldn’t that put you both off?

This is why MMR is the most important thing this game needs now.
When you have this in place,then people of all levels can enjoy the game, the community will grow healthily and after that other features such as custom arenas,new maps and game modes can be added.

Geewoody.2017:

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

because everyone here was born with rank 35 and a lot of skill.
right.
why don’t you just win and show some politeness to level 1s saying maybe “ggwp” at the end , or just teaching them something right to do when u randomize frees to help them to improve?.

The thing is, no other part of the game has gated content. And yet paid tournys do. You have to spend real money to enter into a paid tourny just to get crushed by some rank 55+ premade who play all day. And Arenanet actually thought people would pay money for the pleasure of getting crushed in round 1??? lol

Its simple maths that paid tournys will continue to shrink as the oldest and best teams will just accumalate all of the “wealth” in pvp and basically push all the competition out of business.

SO now we have a situation where the pvp in this game is utterly crippled. A large part of this is due to the crippling effect of paid tournies.

Let me summarise, with logical facts, the state of pvp in this game. I am giving Anet 2 more months before I join the rest of the pvp community and head for the exits:

1, Hotjoins – meant to be casual friendly. But its just an absolute shambles. It really is no fun as all the games are always imbalanced messes (as people join and leave). Even a game with balanced numbers is a joke as the scoring system rewards zerging from point to point. This means your option is to join the mindless zerg and crush solo runners 4 on 1 OR run solo and cap points and win the game but never win a fight before everytime its time to fight you are against their zerg.

2, Free tournies – bizaarely structured in an 8 team format so even these dont run at all hours of the day in the EU. At peak times they pop almost instantly but when you queue solo the chances are you will run into a premade/partial premade and just get stomped. The times you do play vs a PUG the statistical chance you will get stomped by a premade in round 2 is exceptionally high as all the other PUG teams will of bee eliminated in round 1 by the premades. Thus, by queuing solo you are condeming yourself to a demoralising 500-0 in round 2 very often and sometimes getting destroyed in round 1 instead.

3, Paid tournies – The ticket cost is just ridiculous. Apart from liking to think you are “uber pro” I see no reason why anyone would want to waste tickets on getting stomped by teams which have been honing their skills and teamwork for months. I could lose 2 months worth of tickets in a few days AND just get stomped everytime and have no fun. SO whats the point? Join a team you say? NOPE. No team is going to take players without QP. Or if they do then they are most likely bad and you will get stomped anyway. Thus the whole thing is a mess and a shambles.

Nobody can disagree with the logic I have put forward in this reply. So please dont troll me fanboys. I love this game. But its just got so many problems and there seems no appetite to fix ANY of these problems.

These changes would help:

1, Get rid of tickets to enter paids.
2, Introduce a solo queue so we can find out who the best players are and so solo queuers dont just get stomped.
3, Make all tournaments 1 team vs 1 team so that a matchmaking system is viable without increasing queue times to an unsustainable level.
4, Make a matchmaking system.
5, Change the points system to promote team play in hotjoins.

Lordrosicky.5813:

The thing is, no other part of the game has gated content. And yet paid tournys do. You have to spend real money to enter into a paid tourny just to get crushed by some rank 55+ premade who play all day. And Arenanet actually thought people would pay money for the pleasure of getting crushed in round 1??? lol

Its simple maths that paid tournys will continue to shrink as the oldest and best teams will just accumalate all of the “wealth” in pvp and basically push all the competition out of business.

SO now we have a situation where the pvp in this game is utterly crippled. A large part of this is due to the crippling effect of paid tournies.

Let me summarise, with logical facts, the state of pvp in this game. I am giving Anet 2 more months before I join the rest of the pvp community and head for the exits:

1, Hotjoins – meant to be casual friendly. But its just an absolute shambles. It really is no fun as all the games are always imbalanced messes (as people join and leave). Even a game with balanced numbers is a joke as the scoring system rewards zerging from point to point. This means your option is to join the mindless zerg and crush solo runners 4 on 1 OR run solo and cap points and win the game but never win a fight before everytime its time to fight you are against their zerg.

2, Free tournies – bizaarely structured in an 8 team format so even these dont run at all hours of the day in the EU. At peak times they pop almost instantly but when you queue solo the chances are you will run into a premade/partial premade and just get stomped. The times you do play vs a PUG the statistical chance you will get stomped by a premade in round 2 is exceptionally high as all the other PUG teams will of bee eliminated in round 1 by the premades. Thus, by queuing solo you are condeming yourself to a demoralising 500-0 in round 2 very often and sometimes getting destroyed in round 1 instead.

3, Paid tournies – The ticket cost is just ridiculous. Apart from liking to think you are “uber pro” I see no reason why anyone would want to waste tickets on getting stomped by teams which have been honing their skills and teamwork for months. I could lose 2 months worth of tickets in a few days AND just get stomped everytime and have no fun. SO whats the point? Join a team you say? NOPE. No team is going to take players without QP. Or if they do then they are most likely bad and you will get stomped anyway. Thus the whole thing is a mess and a shambles.

Nobody can disagree with the logic I have put forward in this reply. So please dont troll me fanboys. I love this game. But its just got so many problems and there seems no appetite to fix ANY of these problems.

These changes would help:

1, Get rid of tickets to enter paids.
2, Introduce a solo queue so we can find out who the best players are and so solo queuers dont just get stomped.
3, Make all tournaments 1 team vs 1 team so that a matchmaking system is viable without increasing queue times to an unsustainable level.
4, Make a matchmaking system.
5, Change the points system to promote team play in hotjoins.

They want pvp to become popular? they should make it as easy as possible to particpate.

Ticket system is there because someone in company thought it would be a good way to generate revenue. It serves no function that wouldn’t be better solved by a simple rating system. The idea that it “separates the wheat from the chaff” and provides an “elite” tier of players is preposterous because you can pay money (real or in game gold — which by the way is strange if you consider the average serious pvper doesn’t even care about pve farming) to get in.

Paid tournaments could have a place in a PvP game with a very healthy and popular fanbase, a lot of eSport appeal, and continuous games so readily available that the best of the best need a place to go for real competition.

GW2 doesn’t have any of that right now.

Where I come from, we call this “putting the cart before the horse”.

You don’t “HAVE” to buy Tickets in the gem store with real money, you can get them from;

- Daily PvP achievement
- Monthly PvP achievement
- PvP reward chests
- Winning at least one round in a Free Tournament
- Mystic Forge
- Buying Gems with in-game gold

I’m not saying Payed Tournaments are the best system to use but no one is forced into spending real-life money to do “top-tier” PvP.

Somoe.3621:

You don’t “HAVE” to buy Tickets in the gem store with real money, you can get them from;

- Daily PvP achievement
- Monthly PvP achievement
- PvP reward chests
- Winning at least one round in a Free Tournament
- Mystic Forge
- Buying Gems with in-game gold

I’m not saying Payed Tournaments are the best system to use but no one is forced into spending real-life money to do “top-tier” PvP.

Ticket system is a buy or grind type of thing. It should not be there, its a matter of principle not to have an entry fee to any game feature.Especially entry fee that can be bought for rl money.

Khyras.8021:

Somoe.3621:

You don’t “HAVE” to buy Tickets in the gem store with real money, you can get them from;

- Daily PvP achievement
- Monthly PvP achievement
- PvP reward chests
- Winning at least one round in a Free Tournament
- Mystic Forge
- Buying Gems with in-game gold

I’m not saying Payed Tournaments are the best system to use but no one is forced into spending real-life money to do “top-tier” PvP.

Ticket system is a buy or grind type of thing. It should not be there, its a matter of principle not to have an entry fee to any game feature.Especially entry fee that can be bought for rl money.

I was addressing the people that are acting like Paid Tournaments are a “Pay 2 Play” (as in pay real-life money) system. Even if it’s grindy and needs to be improved upon that doesn’t change the fact that you can participate in it without spending money.

Geewoody.2017:

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

anet can make money by offering other things specifically for spvp.

if ranked tournaments were free, i’m pretty sure a lot these “bad people” (who don’t want to buy gems or grind pve for ticket money) would probably crush most of the current competition and we would already be on a much better meta path.

tournament community being split up=bad

better to have 1 system and an ELo. Then host monthly tournies and simply allow High elo teams to compete. or have daily/weekly tournies to get Qp.
Qp is a bad system anyway.

lets say team monster mayhem joins GW2, quickly learns the game, and a month from now is the best team. Winning every paid they do. lets assume they dont play that much , only a few hours a day. WEll it would take them MONTHS to farm up the qp to be at the top, surpasing those with over 1k qp already. so if some tourny launchs and the top Qp teams get invited in the meantime, despite being the actual best team monster mayhem doesnt get invited.

Geewoody.2017:

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

Flawed logic. It’s a cash grab to get people to buy tickets. How are people supposed to get better if they only face other bad players? The fact of the matter is there is no match making system because there is no one playing sPvP. You can go look at the hot join sPvP guy and count the people on the servers. Less than 300-500 people playing at prime time. That server search is cross server. That’s EVERYONE. No one plays sPvP.

They need to figure out a way to make the game enjoyable so people will actually populate it then maybe they could have a matchmaking funtion.

Currently conquest clusterfu&$ mode doesn’t offer the competition most people are looking for. They want player vs player combat. Not AOE circle vs objective combat.

Seriously who thought one game mode would be sufficient for this game? What MMO that has PvP battlegrounds only has one type of game mode? The one with no one playing it. tee hee

Wreckdum.8367:

Geewoody.2017:

It’s to filter out bad people. Maybe you’ve never played free tournaments, but usually I end up facing a team of rank 1s 90% of the time.

I have NEVER paid for tickets and I have more than I will ever need sitting in my bank just from dailies and crafting.

Flawed logic. It’s a cash grab to get people to buy tickets. How are people supposed to get better if they only face other bad players? The fact of the matter is there is no match making system because there is no one playing sPvP. You can go look at the hot join sPvP guy and count the people on the servers. Less than 300-500 people playing at prime time. That server search is cross server. That’s EVERYONE. No one plays sPvP.

They need to figure out a way to make the game enjoyable so people will actually populate it then maybe they could have a matchmaking funtion.

Currently conquest clusterfu&$ mode doesn’t offer the competition most people are looking for. They want player vs player combat. Not AOE circle vs objective combat.

Seriously who thought one game mode would be sufficient for this game? What MMO that has PvP battlegrounds only has one type of game mode? The one with no one playing it. tee hee

The thing is conquest vs other modes or class balance is something which is debated hotly and thats fine.

My point is that all this is kind of irrelevent and nit picking. The major issue as I see it is the structure that arena net has set out with their paids, frees and hotjoins. All have serious problems which is probably why nobody really plays pvp anymore.

GW2 PvP is lucky that the game as a whole is thriving. This means they have the potential to get more people into competitive pvp.

I have played quite alot of RTS games at a high level and the main reason I came to GW2 was the strategy side of WvW. However there is a lot to offer in tPvP because the combat is just fun. But the problems with not having things like solo queues, a matchmaking system and gating the content to only people who have irl money/grind alot of pve or grind a load of glory = a bad system which needs to change.

I think as players of GW2 we can all agree that this needs to happen. So instead of QQing about class balance I think we should QQ about how the game is dying due to a problem with how pvp is structured. We should pressure Anet in this area. There is still hope. People will come back with no sub fee. Its just a shambles at the moment. The potential is there. I hope they will listen to people.

While I guess that Paid tournaments are a necessary evil in tPvP’s current state (as in no ranking/ladder system), it should be removed in the coming months with the new additions to PvP. There is little reason to limit people for competing at a competitive level by using tickets as a gate for inexperienced players when there is an active personal rating. If people want to just play casually that night while still aiming to do some tournaments, the “Free tournaments” are great (should be renamed to Unranked when ratings are added).

In the short run, tickets are fine, but they need to be phased out as the ladders are brought in.

Merge free and paid into one and have a proper rating and matchmaking system. Do 1 vs 1 (teams) so we don’t need the 8 teams to start one. Add daily and monthly AT’s. Give us solo/duo and premade queue. Accumulate the individual rating into a team rating to match the teams evenly.

For the people crying for a CTF mode: Make it as a secondary objective in conquest style.

Change the glory distribution so people start caring about a win in hotjoin. This is were people start so it’s good to learn them the ‘right’ mentality.
Give us better rewards and more fun rewards (minis, tonics, etc.). Let us do something with our glory. Gief moar titles!

About solo queue. Give people the possibility to add roles to a roster. This way they don’t always get funky team comps and have a better chance.

Throw some money at a tournament as things are getting better.

After all that you can add a gamemode for all the people crying about that.

Just lowering the entry fee to 3 or 2 tickets and you will have a bigger community in paids. So good teams don’t need to stomp beginners in free.

lets not bust there balls too hard here guys, the 1vs1 tourny is coming in this week with a reduced cost.

so they are starting to do something about hte paids, lets hope they find a permanent solution.

aheuheue

How to get good:
1. Farm glory until rank 30 in hotjoins
2. Spam in mist chat “r30 LF serious pvp guild”
3. Get rejected because you dont have QP
4. Do random pug paids until you have QP
5. Spam n mist chat “r30 LF serious pvp guild, have QP”
6. Get rejected because you arent rank 40 now
7. Glory farm hotjoins until rank 40
8. Spam in mist chat “r40 lf serious pvp guild, have QP”
9. Join “up and coming” guild that accepts low QP and low high tier pvp rank
10. Get stomped repeatedly 500-0 by one of the top QP guilds on NA/EU that are always on when paids pop.
11. Get flawlessed by team goku while you train hard with krillen and yajirobe and aspire to one day achieve sayian status even though the audience knows you will never be on par with goku because you are a secondary character.

ahauaheuehe