Guild Wars 2

So, when J Sharp was asked about new game modes, he stated it would be something they would look at in the future but right now there are other things that need to be done first.

Well, I just played snowball mayhem. It’s a fun Winter game mode that will be around for about a month.

Just in case you’re keeping score:
new permanent game mode for SPVP: 0
temporary game mode that takes the same amount of time to create: 1

I think what you need to realise is that the game would become so imbalanced if they introduced new game modes.

Currently conquest (hold points) is the only mode available, therefore Spvp is balanced around this. There have been many threads about wanting new game modes such as 3v3 deathmatch, 1v1 dueling, capture the flag ect. And while these seem like good ideas to begin with, just think of some of the problems that these game modes could bring.

As an example because it seems so popular, lets talk about 1v1 dueling. I’m sure many players would enjoy playing a mode like this but there are huge problems which would make the mode very broken and cause many more rage threads ect. Imagine having a 1v1 with a thief that is specced to be able to be permanently stealthed? Almost nothing would happen all game, until you or the thief decided to rage quit out of boredom. What would happen if a Full bunker build fought against another full bunker build? An excessively long match where neither player would die. Then players would be crying out to buff/nerf classes based upon their ability to 1v1 ect, creating even more imbalance. I believe there is currently only 1 game mode because the pvp is balanced around it and it works to the most extent

The problem is that a-net still thinks that they can turn the conquest mode into an e-sport, sigh…
Balance should have been around 5v5 or 8v8 deathmatch, not around running around the map – avoiding pvp to win.

They dont care about your esport fantasies. They want to have fun they are trying to tell how they want to have fun. They want a burger with pickles and you keep telling them you dont do that. Guess what they gonna find some place that will give them kitten pickles like they want. Just my opinion. Im just some guy who wants some pickles what the heck do I know?

soooo many people who dont know anything and talk and talk and talk…

1) as long as i know events are created by different team then spvp, so the fact that we have got event doesnt mean anything

2) they already said new modes will probably come, but #1 in spvp is rating and ladder and other major features

keep this in mind please…

It does take more time to implement a new PvP mode than a one-time event mode with no gear/profession abilities. I think they’re getting close to being able to test some of these additional modes in regular PvP.

MaXi.3642:

soooo many people who dont know anything and talk and talk and talk…

1) as long as i know events are created by different team then spvp, so the fact that we have got event doesnt mean anything

2) they already said new modes will probably come, but #1 in spvp is rating and ladder and other major features

keep this in mind please…

I think you are missing the point….it’s their priorities that are kitten’d up. The fact that they are prioritizing e-sport over different king of maps, dueling, less glory per rank, ability to show off pvp gear in pve, etc. is the point.

Build a foundation of robust pvp, then concentrate on e-sport. That should be their priority.

this game would become imbalanced if they introduced new game modes? It’s ballanced right now? really wonder what game others are playing… Back to pve I guess where class balance really doesn’t matter much at all and the footing is a bit more even cause nothing is competitive at all…

At this point in time I would be happy if they just implemented new game types. I don’t care if it is balanced or not, just make it hotjoin only. No need to have it perfectly balanced, seeing as how a large amount of conquest is unbalanced as is, I just don’t care anymore. The same few comps and builds dominating nonstop, the stagnating gameplay is killing my desire to continue pvping. A simple statement of “just for fun” or “not being balanced around but knock yourselves out.” when releasing a modified deathmatch, or dueling mode type would be great, but maybe I’m just rambling….

Tito.3270:

The problem is that a-net still thinks that they can turn the conquest mode into an e-sport, sigh…
Balance should have been around 5v5 or 8v8 deathmatch, not around running around the map – avoiding pvp to win.

Lol, very true.

Tito.3270:

The problem is that a-net still thinks that they can turn the conquest mode into an e-sport, sigh…
Balance should have been around 5v5 or 8v8 deathmatch, not around running around the map – avoiding pvp to win.

Objectives, map control, organisation, etc are PvP.

PvP does not equate simply to players hitting each other over the head.

As for deathmatch, as you said they went for this e-sport thing, I guess they looked at what happened to WoW as an e-sport even with their sub base, then looked at LoL…

Loopy Larry.9486:

I think what you need to realise is that the game would become so imbalanced if they introduced new game modes.

As an example because it seems so popular, lets talk about 1v1 dueling. I’m sure many players would enjoy playing a mode like this but there are huge problems which would make the mode very broken and cause many more rage threads ect. Imagine having a 1v1 with a thief that is specced to be able to be permanently stealthed? Almost nothing would happen all game, until you or the thief decided to rage quit out of boredom. What would happen if a Full bunker build fought against another full bunker build? An excessively long match where neither player would die. Then players would be crying out to buff/nerf classes based upon their ability to 1v1 ect, creating even more imbalance. I believe there is currently only 1 game mode because the pvp is balanced around it and it works to the most extent

If you ever played WoW, there was teams like this, like 3x healers or 3x rogues and so on that were only there to kitten you off, yet it was the most popular mmo of all times and arenas were actually an ‘e-sport’.

2 x new game modes, Halloween + Wintersday. Windersday ctf is quite enjoyable and a great change from conquest.

you honestly think snowball mayhem was made by the pvp devs?

The pve devs have like 12 times more resources fyi

Powerr.3649:

you honestly think snowball mayhem was made by the pvp devs?

The pve devs have like 12 times more resources fyi

I don’t think the reason is significant, only the outcome. If they are so bare on their PvP resources, that’s a problem. Again, I don’t put the blame on JSharp or Peters or anyone else, I clearly think Anet’s agenda is moving forward with SPVP as the least of their concerns. It shows in their resource allocation where PVE gets in 1 holiday update more than PvP has gotten since release.

So, I think your statement is spot on, doesn’t change my feelings.

Sylosi.6503:

Tito.3270:

The problem is that a-net still thinks that they can turn the conquest mode into an e-sport, sigh…
Balance should have been around 5v5 or 8v8 deathmatch, not around running around the map – avoiding pvp to win.

Objectives, map control, organisation, etc are PvP.

PvP does not equate simply to players hitting each other over the head.

As for deathmatch, as you said they went for this e-sport thing, I guess they looked at what happened to WoW as an e-sport even with their sub base, then looked at LoL…

World Of Warcraft has been around since 2004, And has had more time and money to successfully make wow into a pretty competitive e-sport. Although I see great potential in guild wars 2 it simply has not delivered when it comes to pvp “yet”. Things take time to flourish, and yes I always like to route for a underdog to give a fresh taste of innovation when it comes to the mmo world. Especially when the top money maker like WoW has been around for longer than I would have liked. People will only hold on to something reliable for so long, which is probably the reason why people still continue to play it.

People aren’t going to cry if Snowball mayhem isn’t perfectly balanced. When designing a new PvP mode, you have to take every single classes myriad of abilities into account. How do you think CtF would work here? My guess is extremely poorly, because mobility is a survivability mechanic for a number of classes.

Trigr.6481:

Sylosi.6503:

Tito.3270:

The problem is that a-net still thinks that they can turn the conquest mode into an e-sport, sigh…
Balance should have been around 5v5 or 8v8 deathmatch, not around running around the map – avoiding pvp to win.

Objectives, map control, organisation, etc are PvP.

PvP does not equate simply to players hitting each other over the head.

As for deathmatch, as you said they went for this e-sport thing, I guess they looked at what happened to WoW as an e-sport even with their sub base, then looked at LoL…

World Of Warcraft has been around since 2004, And has had more time and money to successfully make wow into a pretty competitive e-sport. Although I see great potential in guild wars 2 it simply has not delivered when it comes to pvp “yet”. Things take time to flourish, and yes I always like to route for a underdog to give a fresh taste of innovation when it comes to the mmo world. Especially when the top money maker like WoW has been around for longer than I would have liked. People will only hold on to something reliable for so long, which is probably the reason why people still continue to play it.

You missed the point, WoW failed as an e-sport with arena even with its large sub base, the most successful e-sport is objective based – LoL, this is why games go with objective modes, no one wants to watch simplistic Arena / Deathmatch.