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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

This game is nothing but condi spam all over the kittening place, every match it’s against condi reaper, viper revs, pistol/shield scrappers and condi druid that overload the blasted area with condis…It’s BS

On top of that there is a plethora of CC : scrapper stun/daze aoe, daze spam from druid, more stun/daze from reapers , interrupt/kd from chronomancer, daze/trap BS from dragon hunters

Any change coming soon?

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Posted by: Heartpains.7312

Heartpains.7312

Its not about conditions spam, it is kinda everything spam to be honest =p
conditions are spammed, evades and dodges are spammed, boons are spammed.

I am not sure what balance is happening but I am sure it won’t change any of these things.

Some abilities you will wonder why they even still exist “Arcane Thievery” or Signet of domination, long time ago I used to use these abilities in WvW but now these abilities don’t have any use with all of the abilities being spammed.

Also is the game balanced around having the boons and conditions? like protection, vigor, regeneration and having your enemy to have abilities like chill and weakness and maybe blind? ^^

Lets not forget about “stand on point” and aoe as much as you can, why is the aoe abilities usually made as big as the capping point? =p

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Posted by: Cogbyrn.7283

Cogbyrn.7283

Comp for condi cleanse again, like when condis weren’t much of an issue.

Unless you want to forget about speccing condi cleanse while also not having to worry about condis. That doesn’t seem like healthy design direction though.

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

I’m tired of even discussing with people about this game..screw it for real, just made a dragon hunter (Alhystrea)…I will stop trying, like 12k dmg with 2 traps…next I will make a condi reaper, truly I’m done even discussing balance on this forum..

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

inb4 wvw melee train meta

Team Deathmatch for PvP – Raise the AoE cap for WvW – More unique events for PvE

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Posted by: Aomine.5012

Aomine.5012

XD, Scrapper and Druid is rarely about condition yknow

Bunker Mesmer, Power Rev are both not using condition too.

But I do agree Rev can spam too many different types of condition within a short period of time, with too high intensity. (Around 8 conditions in 2 secs in 1 combo)

Btw, I’m in Diamond now and DH is one of the least of the concern now since they’re vulnerable to focus fire, and tend to be about one-trick pony rather than being a strong and sustainable class.

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Posted by: Quaman.9167

Quaman.9167

CC is a bit crazy right now, but not conditions, there is only 2 decent condi builds in mid-high level pvp right now. Viper Rev and Chillmancer, and even then, only rev really stands up to the crazy amount of evades of bunker mesmer or the heals of cele tempest.

I dont even remember the last time I saw a condi engi or non-cele druid.

Rev does need more changes, and chill dmg could be changed back to what it was when the x-pack came out, but aside from that, its mostly the tempests and bunker chrono’s that need nerfing, so this crazy sustain meta ends.

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Posted by: sephiroth.4217

sephiroth.4217

Play a DS Tempest until the condi builders manage to get it nerfed. Once that happens, condition builds can be free to rule PvP.

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Posted by: Drarnor Kunoram.5180

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Play a DS Tempest until the condi builders manage to get it nerfed. Once that happens, condition builds can be free to rule PvP.

Sure, until people remember that they can put cleanses into their build. Current meta builds run very light on cleanses.

Remember when Shoutbow Warrior single-handedly removed condition builds from the meta? Fun fact: the anti-condition capabilities of the build were never reduced. If condition builds start to become overwhelming, they can easily come back. And that’s just one of the numerous builds out there that counters conditions without being totally immune.

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Posted by: Aomine.5012

Aomine.5012

Play a DS Tempest until the condi builders manage to get it nerfed. Once that happens, condition builds can be free to rule PvP.

Sure, until people remember that they can put cleanses into their build. Current meta builds run very light on cleanses.

Remember when Shoutbow Warrior single-handedly removed condition builds from the meta? Fun fact: the anti-condition capabilities of the build were never reduced. If condition builds start to become overwhelming, they can easily come back. And that’s just one of the numerous builds out there that counters conditions without being totally immune.

Clearly someone hasn’t get into high division and fight a good condition viper rev yet.
They can put on like 6 conditions again and again on you in under 2 secs.

No-one is forgetting anything. Most of the meta classes have excellent cleanse, but most of them still can’t handle the amount of conditions from Reaper and Revenant. Even Druid can’t handle that condition. Need a Diamond Skin Tempest or condition transfer/boon strip Necro to do the job.

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Posted by: Drarnor Kunoram.5180

Drarnor Kunoram.5180

Play a DS Tempest until the condi builders manage to get it nerfed. Once that happens, condition builds can be free to rule PvP.

Sure, until people remember that they can put cleanses into their build. Current meta builds run very light on cleanses.

Remember when Shoutbow Warrior single-handedly removed condition builds from the meta? Fun fact: the anti-condition capabilities of the build were never reduced. If condition builds start to become overwhelming, they can easily come back. And that’s just one of the numerous builds out there that counters conditions without being totally immune.

Clearly someone hasn’t get into high division and fight a good condition viper rev yet.
They can put on like 6 conditions again and again on you in under 2 secs.

No-one is forgetting anything. Most of the meta classes have excellent cleanse, but most of them still can’t handle the amount of conditions from Reaper and Revenant. Even Druid can’t handle that condition. Need a Diamond Skin Tempest or condition transfer/boon strip Necro to do the job.

Yes, they can do that by blowing their energy. That is a burst. And like Power bursts, you can use your active defenses to stop some or all of it. Dodging Banish Enchantment helps a lot. Getting out of Unyielding Anguish also relieves a lot of pressure.

The fact is, though, that out of the top 4 meta builds, one has decent condi cleanse, and that is Tempest. However, Eles are crippled more heavily by Chill than other professions, and both Mallyx Revenants and Reapers put out a decent amount of that.

So if condition builds became more prevelant, you know what would happen? People would remember that cleanses are a thing and use more than a single one in their build.

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Posted by: Terrorsquad.4802

Terrorsquad.4802

Pistol Shield Scrapper is a thing?

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Posted by: Cogbyrn.7283

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I can’t help but love that, when people bring up conditions in complaint, others bring up cleansing, and cleansing is scoffed at like builds can’t afford to bring it. There also seems to be this notion that condition application is completely unavoidable. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like the condi complaints in all the years I’ve been playing MMOs.

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Posted by: Drarnor Kunoram.5180

Drarnor Kunoram.5180

I can’t help but love that, when people bring up conditions in complaint, others bring up cleansing, and cleansing is scoffed at like builds can’t afford to bring it. There also seems to be this notion that condition application is completely unavoidable. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like the condi complaints in all the years I’ve been playing MMOs.

Truthfully, if you treat it properly, most condition builds can be taken on with barely any cleansing at all. This does require recognizing which are the heavy-hitting skills and avoiding those, just like with Power builds, though. Unlike with Power builds, there’s not a giant number when you get hit to say “Yeah that? That you probably should have blocked.”

Which leads to people thinking they can’t be avoided, since they never bother to learn what they should be avoiding.

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Posted by: Vague Memory.2817

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Conditions and the size of some of their fields is pretty over the top at the moment. Getting a necro (for instance) dumping multiple conditions on you from off screen is unavoidable. But maybe that is also the fault of the pretty awful camera, even after its improvement people are still killing others out of FoV with rapid shot and other cheap ranged skills. Condi clearing is pretty bad in some classes and unfortunately didn’t get a reciprocal buff like condi damage/stacking.

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Posted by: Drarnor Kunoram.5180

Drarnor Kunoram.5180

Conditions and the size of some of their fields is pretty over the top at the moment. Getting a necro (for instance) dumping multiple conditions on you from off screen is unavoidable. But maybe that is also the fault of the pretty awful camera, even after its improvement people are still killing others out of FoV with rapid shot and other cheap ranged skills. Condi clearing is pretty bad in some classes and unfortunately didn’t get a reciprocal buff like condi damage/stacking.

Unless it’s a top-down RTS style camera, kills from off-screen will always happen. It’s part of the game and there is actually a keybind for “look behind” to help alleviate that. Regardless, this has nothing to do at all with what kinds of attacks are hitting you.

Plus, condition fields are no larger or smaller than fields from power builds. Average size for both is 240 radius, and condition builds actually get none larger than that (barring Warrior Longbow burst at level 3).

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Posted by: Sins.4782

Sins.4782

pistol/shield scrappers

All of my what

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Posted by: Aomine.5012

Aomine.5012

pistol/shield scrappers

All of my what

Proves that some forum heroes never actually do much PVP to begin with, and should never be taken seriously

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Posted by: sephiroth.4217

sephiroth.4217

Play a DS Tempest until the condi builders manage to get it nerfed. Once that happens, condition builds can be free to rule PvP.

Sure, until people remember that they can put cleanses into their build. Current meta builds run very light on cleanses.

Remember when Shoutbow Warrior single-handedly removed condition builds from the meta? Fun fact: the anti-condition capabilities of the build were never reduced. If condition builds start to become overwhelming, they can easily come back. And that’s just one of the numerous builds out there that counters conditions without being totally immune.

Clearly someone hasn’t get into high division and fight a good condition viper rev yet.
They can put on like 6 conditions again and again on you in under 2 secs.

No-one is forgetting anything. Most of the meta classes have excellent cleanse, but most of them still can’t handle the amount of conditions from Reaper and Revenant. Even Druid can’t handle that condition. Need a Diamond Skin Tempest or condition transfer/boon strip Necro to do the job.

Yes, they can do that by blowing their energy. That is a burst. And like Power bursts, you can use your active defenses to stop some or all of it. Dodging Banish Enchantment helps a lot. Getting out of Unyielding Anguish also relieves a lot of pressure.

The fact is, though, that out of the top 4 meta builds, one has decent condi cleanse, and that is Tempest. However, Eles are crippled more heavily by Chill than other professions, and both Mallyx Revenants and Reapers put out a decent amount of that.

So if condition builds became more prevelant, you know what would happen? People would remember that cleanses are a thing and use more than a single one in their build.

You don’t use Rev do you? A spammable 3 stacks of confusion for example, keep cleansing, go ahead, but I’m positive those cleanses have a cool down unlike the confusion/torment application.

Warriors cleansing Ire, passive shake it off and utility version is not enough to cleanse a Viper Rev for example, an ele without DS will melt instantly the moment they’re not in water attunement….

If conditions build became more of a thing, I wouldn’t bother equipping those “cleanses”… I would just play a Viper Rev with Resistance spam, then avoid necros in game unless I’m +1 them.

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Posted by: Crinn.7864

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Truthfully, if you treat it properly, most condition builds can be taken on with barely any cleansing at all. This does require recognizing which are the heavy-hitting skills and avoiding those, just like with Power builds, though. Unlike with Power builds, there’s not a giant number when you get hit to say “Yeah that? That you probably should have blocked.”

Which leads to people thinking they can’t be avoided, since they never bother to learn what they should be avoiding.

This needs restating.

The other issue I think is that condis don’t show where they came from, so I think what often happens is players look at their bar and see a bunch of condis and they assume they all came from 1 guy when in reality they came from several opponents.

Sanity is for the weak minded.
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Posted by: Leohart.4610

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That’s pretty neat

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Posted by: Cogbyrn.7283

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I can’t help but love that, when people bring up conditions in complaint, others bring up cleansing, and cleansing is scoffed at like builds can’t afford to bring it. There also seems to be this notion that condition application is completely unavoidable. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like the condi complaints in all the years I’ve been playing MMOs.

Truthfully, if you treat it properly, most condition builds can be taken on with barely any cleansing at all. This does require recognizing which are the heavy-hitting skills and avoiding those, just like with Power builds, though. Unlike with Power builds, there’s not a giant number when you get hit to say “Yeah that? That you probably should have blocked.”

Which leads to people thinking they can’t be avoided, since they never bother to learn what they should be avoiding.

Yep. I’ll never forget the lesson I was taught when I investigated conditions myself. I felt that irritation at them, so I looked into how much damage each skill was doing in applying the conditions, and I found out that actually, they aren’t that bad.

Hit someone for 6k damage 3 times in a row with a 3/4th second cast time attack, and you should have blocked/dodged/etc. the animation. Put the same animation and cast time on an ability that does 6k damage over 6 seconds, and after 3 applications when they are taking 3k damage/sec, the target would come to the forum and complain about the condi burst meta.

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Posted by: Valkyriez.6578

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Besides the cripple, those DH traps are all power builds, so not really even a condi spec at all.

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

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Besides the cripple, those DH traps are all power builds, so not really even a condi spec at all.

I’ve wrote CC before DH?…isn’t that clear enough?

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

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Its not about conditions spam, it is kinda everything spam to be honest =p
conditions are spammed, evades and dodges are spammed, boons are spammed.

I am not sure what balance is happening but I am sure it won’t change any of these things.

Some abilities you will wonder why they even still exist “Arcane Thievery” or Signet of domination, long time ago I used to use these abilities in WvW but now these abilities don’t have any use with all of the abilities being spammed.

Also is the game balanced around having the boons and conditions? like protection, vigor, regeneration and having your enemy to have abilities like chill and weakness and maybe blind? ^^

Lets not forget about “stand on point” and aoe as much as you can, why is the aoe abilities usually made as big as the capping point? =p

Trying to get back on point , waiting for the “clatter” to be cleared.

The game was balanced around not having the amount of condis and boons currently being farted around and neither was balanced around having this ridiculous amount of CC, on a point it’s just a daze/kd spam.
There is loads of balancing that need to happen and condis must be nerfed hard

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

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Play a DS Tempest until the condi builders manage to get it nerfed. Once that happens, condition builds can be free to rule PvP.

Sure, until people remember that they can put cleanses into their build. Current meta builds run very light on cleanses.

Remember when Shoutbow Warrior single-handedly removed condition builds from the meta? Fun fact: the anti-condition capabilities of the build were never reduced. If condition builds start to become overwhelming, they can easily come back. And that’s just one of the numerous builds out there that counters conditions without being totally immune.

Well…you could always try to run one of these condiclear builds…then try to team fight with it gl doing that. The game is about teamplay and selfish condi removal bring nothing to the table , because you’ll die anyway once focused by 2-3 condi spammers.
At this point I’d be happy if they’d nerf condi rev which is the major cause of congestion on the point

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Posted by: Cogbyrn.7283

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Anyone who agrees that conditions are too strong is being sincere. Anyone who disagrees has an agenda. Great way to keep a healthy conversation going.

Also,

Well…you could always try to run one of these condiclear builds…then try to team fight with it gl doing that. The game is about teamplay and selfish condi removal bring nothing to the table , because you’ll die anyway once focused by 2-3 condi spammers.
At this point I’d be happy if they’d nerf condi rev which is the major cause of congestion on the point

1. “Good luck trying to teamfight with a team cleanse build”, then immediately claiming selfish condis make you die to 2-3 condi spammers anyway. Wouldn’t the team cleanse build operate to counter 2-3 condi spammers, because you have multiple people covering for condis? That’s the point of it. Why would a team cleanse build be impossible to team fight with in a situation where it’s specifically supposed to be used?

Or are you saying that team cleansing isn’t all that useful because no one is bringing 2-3 condi spammers? I don’t really know what you’re saying but it doesn’t make sense.

2. So the problem is really Condi Rev. You don’t have a problem with conditions, you have a problem with a Condi Rev’s ability to deal too much damage too effectively. Alright, fine. Just, say that. The difference between a mechanic and a class is, for example, if Backstab did 15k damage, I would say “Hey, Backstab seems like it does too much damage” instead of “Hey, direct damage seems too strong, it should really be nerfed hard across the board”. I’m clearly not making a statement about the current state of Backstab, but you don’t blame an entire system for its expression in a single class build. That’s ridiculous.

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