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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

With the new ladders, and new matchmaking system, i have no idea if i’m doing well or lost against a bunch of noobs. Can Anet implement a stat whereby at the start or end of the game, we can see our odds of winning. I’m guessing if u show us before, people may get demotivated if they see they are fighting exp team.

Also can we see how our ladder ranking improved because of the end match? i have no clue if i won, how much i go up the leaderboard by

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Posted by: Laserbolt.6731

Laserbolt.6731

All excellent points. I’d like to see this as well.

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Posted by: Esmee.1067

Esmee.1067

Ditto, it might also help people, like me, make a bit more sense of the leaderboards because right now I have no idea why someone I play with 24/7 is nearly 800 ranks lower than me. I have no idea why I’m on the rank I am.

I’d recommend at the end of the match though, just so people don’t get discouraged, though with dishonour in place I doubt that’d be too bad.

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Posted by: Laserbolt.6731

Laserbolt.6731

Just tell us how many points we need to score I order to get at least 1 ladder point for the match.

Maybe the other team is just too strong to beat. But we can still work hard, for the point.

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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

Just tell us how many points we need to score I order to get at least 1 ladder point for the match.

Maybe the other team is just too strong to beat. But we can still work hard, for the point.

Yeah i agree with that – if you know your playing a team way more experienced, if u know this at the start, and know that u only need say, 350 to score a point or 250 not to lose any pts, you will be more determined to fight to the last and not afk

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Posted by: Laserbolt.6731

Laserbolt.6731

Just tell us how many points we need to score I order to get at least 1 ladder point for the match.

Maybe the other team is just too strong to beat. But we can still work hard, for the point.

Yeah i agree with that – if you know your playing a team way more experienced, if u know this at the start, and know that u only need say, 350 to score a point or 250 not to lose any pts, you will be more determined to fight to the last and not afk

Yup. Makes sense.

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

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Just tell us how many points we need to score I order to get at least 1 ladder point for the match.

Maybe the other team is just too strong to beat. But we can still work hard, for the point.

Yeah i agree with that – if you know your playing a team way more experienced, if u know this at the start, and know that u only need say, 350 to score a point or 250 not to lose any pts, you will be more determined to fight to the last and not afk

Yup. Makes sense.

i dont think it makes sense. i think you would be more likely to make a loss a self fulfilling prophecy by telling a team they have a small chance of winning.

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Posted by: uberkingkong.8041

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I wish they’d be like starcraft where you can see your opponents and your ladder rating.

They use to be somewhat similar by showing your rank and your opponents rank. But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

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Posted by: Justin ODell.9517

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But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

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Posted by: Mysticjedi.6053

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But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

I feel like harassment and shaming happen already. At least with the information present, in some cases, the people doing the harassing and shaming can be shown to be idiots.

With the new matchmaking system, after a while I really shouldn’t be going against newbies. Because I’m an optimist I believe that if people knew a player was new or just starting out they might be more willing to offer tips and advice. Right now, some assume that if you’re doing ranked queue you know what you’re doing and that simply isn’t true. I want the pvp community to grow. Showing us as much information as possible could help us know who needs help, who is having a bad day (it happens), and who is just a jerk (yes, I can be an optimist and a realistic at the same time).

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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

I feel like harassment and shaming happen already. At least with the information present, in some cases, the people doing the harassing and shaming can be shown to be idiots.

With the new matchmaking system, after a while I really shouldn’t be going against newbies. Because I’m an optimist I believe that if people knew a player was new or just starting out they might be more willing to offer tips and advice. Right now, some assume that if you’re doing ranked queue you know what you’re doing and that simply isn’t true. I want the pvp community to grow. Showing us as much information as possible could help us know who needs help, who is having a bad day (it happens), and who is just a jerk (yes, I can be an optimist and a realistic at the same time).

I would agree on that, if i saw a person was a newbie, i would be more inclined to explain strategies. However, as an experienced PvP player, I think MMR could be shown in Ranked area only. Practice and unranked should be there to learn. When i first started to play PvP, i played almost 100 matches in hotjoin before playing soloq. This game me valuable experience and practice before progressing against more experienced players.

I understand atm with the reset that experienced players are getting mixed with various ranked players, If you feel newb bashing still is likely to happen, may i suggest an Overall MMR for each team. I just want to know overall, how experienced my team is compared to those, and how likely i am to win. Ok, i get that if i see a low MMR on my team then i’m with new players, i might moan a little, but after a few weeks this shouldn’t be happening.

I started this topic because i have no idea whats happening to my ladder ranking unless i constantly look at the leaderboard.

My example is this… If my team is winning… GREAT! However, if my team gets down 300-100 on Battle of Khylo for example, i know winning is pretty slim and i don’t really care so don’t fight that much. However, if i knew that i was playing a team that i was expected to beat, and that a crushing defeat would mean -3 pts to my ladder ranking, i’d be fighting hard to try and minimise the defeat.
I don’t mind if MMR isn’t shown, thats not what i’m asking for – just the odds on us winning… maybe in the form of a bar _____I____] like this show that one team is more likely to win.
Then at the end of the match, when u get a score breakdown, perhaps have a ladder ranking change number added – so when it says:
Mikei the Mighty 120
now add in the ladder change. For example, a small win would be +2, whereas a big defeat would be -3
Mikei the Mighty 120 +2

Just clarity on what our position is – like how our pvp reward track progresses

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Posted by: Lupanic.6502

Lupanic.6502

But you could show us a +1, +2 or +3 or 0, -1, -2 at the end.

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Posted by: Wile.5024

Wile.5024

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

How about when you log in to view the leaderboards , you could see your own MMR on the top?

While I don’t agree with your opinion on visible MMR causing shaming… showing your personal MMR just to yourself would keep you happy this but it would also let players keep track of their own progress better instead of just looking at points.

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Posted by: Dwaynas Avatar.1562

Dwaynas Avatar.1562

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

And you think you will ever get esports with doing this?
Sry, but this is ridiculous, I can’t stop laughing and crying.
Every esport’s game shows how good someone is throug rank/mmr/whatever during/after the match.
If anything this would only increase competition not harassment.

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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

And you think you will ever get esports with doing this?
Sry, but this is ridiculous, I can’t stop laughing and crying.
Every esport’s game shows how good someone is throug rank/mmr/whatever during/after the match.
If anything this would only increase competition not harassment.

But surely this should only apply to ranked matches rather than practice or unranked?
I do believe ranked matches are there for experienced players, and showing the MMR wouldn’t make that much difference. Out of the 3 games modes available, it doesn’t make sense for someone with low PvP experience to start doing Ranked PvP matches.

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Posted by: Wintersnight.3061

Wintersnight.3061

This is what I would like too. A Global chance of winning or the points I receive for winning or potential losing. I agree….when I am losing and we don’t have a chance to come back , I tend to just say fk it and get frustrated and mentally check out.

But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

I feel like harassment and shaming happen already. At least with the information present, in some cases, the people doing the harassing and shaming can be shown to be idiots.

With the new matchmaking system, after a while I really shouldn’t be going against newbies. Because I’m an optimist I believe that if people knew a player was new or just starting out they might be more willing to offer tips and advice. Right now, some assume that if you’re doing ranked queue you know what you’re doing and that simply isn’t true. I want the pvp community to grow. Showing us as much information as possible could help us know who needs help, who is having a bad day (it happens), and who is just a jerk (yes, I can be an optimist and a realistic at the same time).

I would agree on that, if i saw a person was a newbie, i would be more inclined to explain strategies. However, as an experienced PvP player, I think MMR could be shown in Ranked area only. Practice and unranked should be there to learn. When i first started to play PvP, i played almost 100 matches in hotjoin before playing soloq. This game me valuable experience and practice before progressing against more experienced players.

I understand atm with the reset that experienced players are getting mixed with various ranked players, If you feel newb bashing still is likely to happen, may i suggest an Overall MMR for each team. I just want to know overall, how experienced my team is compared to those, and how likely i am to win. Ok, i get that if i see a low MMR on my team then i’m with new players, i might moan a little, but after a few weeks this shouldn’t be happening.

I started this topic because i have no idea whats happening to my ladder ranking unless i constantly look at the leaderboard.

My example is this… If my team is winning… GREAT! However, if my team gets down 300-100 on Battle of Khylo for example, i know winning is pretty slim and i don’t really care so don’t fight that much. However, if i knew that i was playing a team that i was expected to beat, and that a crushing defeat would mean -3 pts to my ladder ranking, i’d be fighting hard to try and minimise the defeat.
I don’t mind if MMR isn’t shown, thats not what i’m asking for – just the odds on us winning… maybe in the form of a bar _____I____] like this show that one team is more likely to win.
Then at the end of the match, when u get a score breakdown, perhaps have a ladder ranking change number added – so when it says:
Mikei the Mighty 120
now add in the ladder change. For example, a small win would be +2, whereas a big defeat would be -3
Mikei the Mighty 120 +2

Just clarity on what our position is – like how our pvp reward track progresses

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Posted by: Fistandanthilus.6824

Fistandanthilus.6824

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

We don’t need to see other player’s MMR, we just need to see our own MMR in the PvP statistics tab, as well as we can see now the amount of games played, our own PvP Rank, our favourite map, etc.

To see the Odds of Victory at the end of each Ranked match would be a very nice Feature too. That way we could know how many Ladder points did we lose or win on each game based on the Odds of Victory matrix.
I remark it again: Show Odds of Victory AFTER each game is finished.

And finally, it would be great if Standard Models as well as same Map Rotation could be implemented in Unranked queue, and not only in Ranked queue.
Unranked should be a training queue to prepare for Ranked, and it should have exactly the same Features as Ranked, except for the Ladder points gain or loss.

What do you guys think?

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Posted by: Quadox.7834

Quadox.7834

1+ for odds at the end of the game. Without this i will probably not play the game nearly as much due to lack of motivation (since i can’t see how good/bad the other players are).

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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

We don’t need to see other player’s MMR, we just need to see our own MMR in the PvP statistics tab, as well as we can see now the amount of games played, our own PvP Rank, our favourite map, etc.

To see the Odds of Victory at the end of each Ranked match would be a very nice Feature too. That way we could know how many Ladder points did we lose or win on each game based on the Odds of Victory matrix.
I remark it again: Show Odds of Victory AFTER each game is finished.

And finally, it would be great if Standard Models as well as same Map Rotation could be implemented in Unranked queue, and not only in Ranked queue.
Unranked should be a training queue to prepare for Ranked, and it should have exactly the same Features as Ranked, except for the Ladder points gain or loss.

What do you guys think?

I don’t really care about other people’s MMR. As long as i know how i did and the effect my match had on ME i guess thats what i’d like.

It could be interesting to show the odds after the match, imagine beating a sides 500-450 and then realising they were way better than u – u’d feel so much more satisfied!

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

insanemaniac.2456

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

And you think you will ever get esports with doing this?
Sry, but this is ridiculous, I can’t stop laughing and crying.
Every esport’s game shows how good someone is throug rank/mmr/whatever during/after the match.
If anything this would only increase competition not harassment.

league does not.
they show you your mmr change after the match and thats it.

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Posted by: Sorel.4870

Sorel.4870

But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

I think you’ve got an excellent point here Justin. It’s already painful to be the underdog in a team, and it would be too easy to always blame the lowest MMR for the loss instead of questioning oneself and one’s mistakes.

However, as it is, I often end a match thinking “I’m an overlord, but my teammates were scrubs and my foes were pro players, gj Anet”, while in most cases this explanation is certainly delusional. So I think it might be good to see at least the mean MMR in each team, as well as who queued with who (to stop with this “we were all solos, they were a premade” attitude). I know a lot of players didn’t like the old leaderboards because they were casual friendly (as if it was a bad thing), but they had the advantage of being really straight-forward: with the new leaderboards, we should get the tools to understand them better.

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Posted by: GhOst.4019

GhOst.4019

But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

No need to show MMR honestly. Since the stats are already in the system, at the END of the match display “+1, -2” you had a 20-30% chance of winning….or something of that nature. So we can see if we went up or down and what our chances were. The % there to show, Ok your team played better than expected, good job; or you team could have played better.

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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

I also think leaderboards should be shown in game, much like how the TP works, use an outside site to link into the game. That might make viewing leaderboards easier.

But i like the idea of seeing a mean MMR – or a “Team MMR”, a total of the 5 players on the team. I know prior to the update, i knew certain players as i played them often. You became familiar with the good players in Soloq. I remember seeing Magic Toker on the opposite side and you knew it was going to be a tough fight.

Until the MMR balances out, we won’t know how good or bad our performance was. I would like to learn from defeats!

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Posted by: SobeSoul.6910

SobeSoul.6910

None of this stuff besides maybe a window pane for Leaderboard should be in the game.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

No need to show MMR honestly. Since the stats are already in the system, at the END of the match display “+1, -2” you had a 20-30% chance of winning….or something of that nature. So we can see if we went up or down and what our chances were. The % there to show, Ok your team played better than expected, good job; or you team could have played better.

Actually, this. Showing end game stats like the above would be nice. Especially getting rolled and discovering your odds of winning was 0% :P

Of course seeing 90% and losing is just as depressing…

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Posted by: Damsel Delilah.9084

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We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

Could you possibly make mmr visible to us? Like in the pvp panel or something, just us and nobody else would be fine I would think.

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Posted by: Mikei The Mighty.8690

Mikei The Mighty.8690

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

Could you possibly make mmr visible to us? Like in the pvp panel or something, just us and nobody else would be fine I would think.

So this would be like seeing your rank? Rank = 80, MMR = ?? whatever the system used.

It’d be good because you could see how you were improving or slipping. Currently, a lot of algorithms are hidden, and so matchmaking APPEARS to be random. If we were able to see how our match ups were being derived – i.e. our MMR compared to previously when the rank was largely determining who we played, i think seeing our own personal MMR would be beneficial. I can guess why ANet would say no. If people were forming parties, they’d do something similar to dungeons – instead of AP over 4K, it has to be MMR at this level or something. Personally i think thats highly unlikley to happen.

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Posted by: Ouroboros.5076

Ouroboros.5076

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

Just posting here quickly to ask to reconsider your decision.

Harassment is there and is going on no matter what. 80% of my losses as a solo queuer, people throw in “team of noobs”, “go uninstall” to the team. People don’t need the display of ranks to do that.

Not being able to see who you are playing against is a MAJOR demotivational for mid level players who try to improve. You win three games in a row and you feel powerful, not getting the fact that you were matched against low rank people. The next two games you play against a top500+ team or 3+ soloQ top200+ players, you get stomped and feel miserable. This leads to utter disappointment, boredom and sometimes to people stopping the game (we have already lost 2 players in 3 months because of this, not kidding).

If you could see that coming, you could have started the game by telling you : “OK, this game is gonna get rough, gonna do my best”. The mindset is different and I can accept the loss more easily and try to improve.

See how many posts you have to reply to on this forum because people did not catch they were occasionnally matched against good players (for whatever reason).

Please, for the love of Dwayna, rethink this.

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Posted by: Tiale.2430

Tiale.2430

MMR DISPLAY NOW PLEASE!
All competitive games have this.

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Posted by: Exeon.4358

Exeon.4358

It’s pretty obvious to me if you check the leaderboards and see you raising or losing ranks.

In team arena I went up against the same team 3 times in a row, lost every game by 50-100 points, and despite our team having a player that is ranking in the top 30’s none of us barley lost any ranks

There should be a better system for it, but you can manage it