Guild Wars 2

How much I dislike this words .. Once you learn how to counter HB from warrior once you learn how to master your class the game is balance ..
Let me say something to you then .. The pvp of this game is a joke .. I thought you had a chance to actually pvp in this game but God I was sooo wrong …
1 disable and you are dead… You have no chance to survive against burst classes when you play with condition damage … I think Arena net should reduce burst by miles and give the disables to classes they actually needed …
I really want to pvp with my Necro but this is forbiten for me . Not because I dont like it but I perform great as warrior because stunning people and 1shot them isnt that hard tbh .. And if you going to say if you fight decent people will be hard to do HB on them its pretty easy .. force them to dodge 2 times then stun-HB=profit ..
Im not here to complain about warriors .. Its burst against Tank builds and nothing else ..

You won’t learn how to play by whining on the forum, that’s for sure.

Go play 5v5 instead of 8v8, then you’ll be able to get a better grasp of class balance and where the Necro stands, what it can and cannot do.

8v8 is unbalanced, always will be when maps and skills were designed for 5v5.

Ramza .. do you know that 9/10 teams dont pick a Necro to their team right?

I play a mesmer with pure condition damage, and it’s actually pretty easy to beat burst users 1v1, sometimes even 1v2.. Necro should be able to do fine as well..

Maybe you’re build needs a little polishing?

Have you ever heard of a guy called Reyon? He’s part of Team Paradigm, and I hope to see him on the competitive GW2 scene soon. He streams GW2 and plays Necro and thief, and wow… his necro is terrifying. I consider him to be a top tier player (and he deserves the title) but that doesn’t mean you can’t learn something from him.

My boyfriend has tried the HB combo against me, and in our serious duels I have never taken more than two swings from the attack, ever. This is because I consciously make sure that I have one stun break or teleport off CD at almost all times while fighting him because I understand that it’s necessary against his class. A lot of the game is knowing the intricacies of the classes, and of your own abilities.

If one disable is wrecking you, then you need to toss in a stun break utility. You need to cover your weaknesses with your build, or people who are geared toward that weakness will always dominate you, and you will always be frustrated.

wierd how you “force” good ppl to use dodge when you play warrior… seems like they are not that good and maby watch some streams like reyontv and learn from him

pericles.3286:

Ramza .. do you know that 9/10 teams dont pick a Necro to their team right?

which teams? why don’t they pick a necro while in my there is always a necro?
maybe it is their playstyle, not everyones’

wierd how you “force” good ppl to use dodge when you play warrior… seems like they are not that good and maby watch some streams like reyontv and learn from him

Wait what? The dodge ability is there so that you can dodge attacks Would you be more content if you didn’t need to dodge attacks at all? Your logic makes no sense. Every class has abilities you need to dodge or you are screwed. Warrior is not some exception. And learning from others is not a sign of a bad player, quite on the contrary.

Says a glass cannon Condition Damage?

Let me say it plain. If you’re building condition damage and not building tanky, it’s your own fault for going for a war of attrition and not gearing yourself the defenses.

There’s a reason why there’s plenty of abilities that cause stun break. These are your hard counters to the burst combos that pretty much reliant on both user and target being stationary.

There’s no shame in getting locked down by a suprise burst. It happens and is the design of the class. Just because an opponent is bursty does not make your profession impossible to play, it means you have to play with the Burst Damage meta in mind.

Hang out on youtube and watch a few good Necro Videos, it’ll give you some idea how to play PvP as one or how you want to play one.

But yes, PvP is primarily “Learn to Play.” and will be perpetually for a lot of players. Sometimes, your opponent is better than you, or luckier. This happens even at the professional level.

You are so wrong. Let me enlight you.

You MUST learn how to play! NOT only the profession you play, but every one there is. Alright, you don’t have to be really good at all professions, but you should learn every skill there is for every class!
How do you think you will not get stunned by Ele if you attack them while they are having Shocking Aura? I will answer you: by not attacking them while they have it!

Same with Mesmer’s Chaos Armor and Chaos Storm! Don’t attack them when they got Chaos Armor and don’t stay in Chaos Storm…

You say Mesmer’s downstate is OP? It’s always CLONE first, and then Mesmer himself! He even has red arrow pointing he is the real one, how much easier you want it to be?

HB OP? Not at all! It’s synergy with skills that makes it “OP”. Yes, he can burst you down in 1 second if you are glass cannon (why are you? Make somekittendefense in PvP).
But! There are things that counter his combo!
One of them is stun break! Why don’t you guys take stun breaker? It’s like one skill that is always needed! Use that skill, use dodge and warrior can only autoattack you because his combo will not be up again in another 60 seconds!

Btw, warriors need some love, greatsword is like the only build that can really deal damage…and is also glass cannon.
Don’t you dare talk that warrior is OP, he is far from that!
I can agree with haste being kinda OP, but it also has dimishing results (warrior takes +50% dmg, thief can’t dodge after it).

Another thing, you are all about power and power. I want big numbers! That’s you.
Well, then play class that is designed to do it. Necro isn’t!

Necro is control class, same as Engineer, Elementalist (more like supportive, tho they are the 1st on line to get buffs cuz their dmg is too low)…

Necro could use some love, tho most important thing is to fix bugs. When they are fixed, Necro will be smoother and much better to play, and will be more effective.

Btw, Necro is kinda bad in this “meta”. He mostly does condition dmg, and there are a lot of condition removals, that is why Necro isn’t so effective in sPvP.

Everyone saying that Necro dealt massive dmg in GW1 is wrong! It was bloodspike with 8 Necros!! Not one!
Necro was always there to make harder for others to do their job, and it follows same routine in gw2!

If you don’t want to learn, and you don’t want say what bothers you in a constructive way, and you don’t want realise some professions are made for some things, other for other things and that they all aren’t effective in all things, then you are really lazy person and also close minded.

Cygnus.6903:

I play a mesmer with pure condition damage, and it’s actually pretty easy to beat burst users 1v1, sometimes even 1v2.. Necro should be able to do fine as well..

Maybe you’re build needs a little polishing?

Build and strategy for taking down 2 competent players please? (as mesmer, that is)
I have tried to make a solid condition-build without luck … in the current state of illusion-AI and illusion-HP, my inability to maintain a high enough number of stacks of numerous conditions simply makes any condition-specc inferior to what I can do with a phantasm-build.
It annoys the hell out of me, since I am not really that big a fan of letting the phantasms do the job. I can easily get 9+ stacks of confusion but they drop of so insanely fast and it is not like we have a fabulous 19 stacks of bleeds going, that could hurt .. and many classes remove conditions without really doing anything … which is why raw power-crit works better for me … + so many things proc from crit it is really silly. Currently I am at 50% crit 19k hp around 1700 toughness and 2100 power (and some +crit-dmg) …. if I remember correctly. It works wonders.

I survive loads of CC’s om any of the 5 classes i use in pvp.

You cannot 1shot tank builds, that’s an exaggeration. If you’re saying no class should have burst, that’s a bit harsh. No class can burst without ramp up/set up. Which is fine, considering you can negate the setup and counter the burst in this game, unless you just didn’t see it coming. A lot of casters often just stand in front of melee, for some reason. All casting/ranged classes MUST learn to kite in the game. You must also take condition/cc removal skills. If not youre much more likely to get blown up.

Just keep at it, don’t simply point the finger. There are plenty of Necros that are really strong. But not all builds are viable and not all players are the same.

Tldr: Work on kiting, take cc/condition removal skills, and don’t give up.

Good luck

pericles.3286:

How much I dislike this words .. Once you learn how to counter HB from warrior once you learn how to master your class the game is balance ..
Let me say something to you then .. The pvp of this game is a joke .. I thought you had a chance to actually pvp in this game but God I was sooo wrong …
1 disable and you are dead… You have no chance to survive against burst classes when you play with condition damage … I think Arena net should reduce burst by miles and give the disables to classes they actually needed …
I really want to pvp with my Necro but this is forbiten for me . Not because I dont like it but I perform great as warrior because stunning people and 1shot them isnt that hard tbh .. And if you going to say if you fight decent people will be hard to do HB on them its pretty easy .. force them to dodge 2 times then stun-HB=profit ..
Im not here to complain about warriors .. Its burst against Tank builds and nothing else ..

first its almost UNIVERSALLY recognized that necros need a buff, so if your basing your entire argument off of your necro being unable to compete you mine as wells top right now.

as for the HB warrior ,it is pretty easy to avoid, and people have more ways to then there 2 dodges.

I think the op needs to take the advice of the thread’s title. Condition damage works fine as long as you build your character well.

One point people forget is that if a necro specs for conditional damage his death shroud will be a bad joke. Not that it is that great if you spec for it. However, in a conditional build you can just soak up some damage when it is necessary but you will lose a lot of dps…while having no access to utility spells nor do you see any debuffs. It is like fighting blind.

You see, so many things of the class design just dot fit together or have (next to) zero synergy.

Also, fighting a mesmer with conditions and a necro is like day and night. The one has a brilliantly working defense mechanic, the other hasn’t.

Probably you forgot to put an ability that breaks stun on your utility bar?

@Mikali
Sure I need to learn how to play … meanwhile I can be 90% of the matches 1st with my warrior and gain more glory points rather log in with my necro finishing most of the times last one cause I suck .
@ZombiesTT
If its me and not the game thats good thing …
@Irishbrewed
Thnx for the tips

In the end I found myself very good player if Im playing with my warrior and very bad player when Im playing with my necro .. Maybe I need to understand the mechanics better but I really cant find any reason why burst like Backstab-HB-Crossfire(seen 19k damage lol ) and all this abilities .. I just hate the burst … It should be more wise to bring down the burst a little its my opinion thnx for the answers .

@perciles

Maybe the warrior class is the on for you. Necro isn’t so much direct and burst dmg.
I am with you when you say they need to bring down certain skills, and it will be done.
But please, don’t bash pvp so hard, it’s new and it will be changed.

There is no need to rage or bash people that tell you to learn (tho, don’t be provoked by ones that says it on bad way), this IS a time to learn. Not just necro, not just warrior.

I dislike mesmer in this game, engi seems also not my style, same as necro. But I will try them if I want grow as a player. Knowing all skills, when they work and when not will make your game time much easier.

Play every profession. That is the best advice I can give to you now, be patient with upcoming skills balances.

pericles.3286:

@Mikali
Sure I need to learn how to play … meanwhile I can be 90% of the matches 1st with my warrior and gain more glory points rather log in with my necro finishing most of the times last one cause I suck .
@ZombiesTT
If its me and not the game thats good thing …
@Irishbrewed
Thnx for the tips

In the end I found myself very good player if Im playing with my warrior and very bad player when Im playing with my necro .. Maybe I need to understand the mechanics better but I really cant find any reason why burst like Backstab-HB-Crossfire(seen 19k damage lol ) and all this abilities .. I just hate the burst … It should be more wise to bring down the burst a little its my opinion thnx for the answers .

Being a ‘good player’ on a warrior is not as hard as being a good player on a necro. Lets be honest here , playing a warrior is not hard. I made one to see why they killed me so easily , leveled it up to lvl 3 took it into the myst , did not practice any of the skills and ended up top player in my first match with it just smashing random buttons.

That experience said it all to me.

Read post #1 and 3. Please uninstall GW2…

faileon.4381:

Read post #1 and 3. Please uninstall GW2…

whoops

Gw2 pvp it is what it is. Looking at the combos and they actually look pretty cool Tbh. But the point was take what you want from the game and leave the rest. I wasnt happy with the pvp but love the pve so still excellent value for the money. Haha took a look at the secret world pvp and came running back to gw2 real fast. Gw2 pvp is actually very cool just not quite what I had in mind. So now I gw2 pve and am very happy. No reason why I cannot find the flavor of pvp I want in some other game and do my pvp fun there. Its too hard to make a game to satisfy everyone in every aspect it is too much to expect. Great job Anet no sarcasm intended.