Are u guys telling me there are actually elementalists running this trait in spvp?!
YES! And based on my experienced, they lose most of their matches.
Your experience must not overlap with mine. I have a 60% win rate on my elementalist and I use DS, S/F, and a celestial amulet. If I lose a game, it’s because there was a lack of teamwork or the other team had better teamwork because they were a premade group.
Also, I’ll re-iterate to the people who are evidently illiterate and continue to whine about the “0 counterplay” (read: build advantage) when they opted to go pure condition, leaving out sustainability and direct damage: You cannot faceroll the whole competitive scene with one build. Shut your mouths and go direct your ridiculously OP condition spamming elsewhere or get wrecked because you were too greedy to balance your build out.
Are u guys telling me there are actually elementalists running this trait in spvp?!
YES! And based on my experienced, they lose most of their matches.
Your experience must not overlap with mine. I have a 60% win rate on my elementalist and I use DS, S/F, and a celestial amulet. If I lose a game, it’s because there was a lack of teamwork or the other team had better teamwork because they were a premade group.
Also, I’ll re-iterate to the people who are evidently illiterate and continue to whine about the “0 counterplay” (read: build advantage) when they opted to go pure condition, leaving out sustainability and direct damage: You cannot faceroll the whole competitive scene with one build. Shut your mouths and go direct your ridiculously OP condition spamming elsewhere or get wrecked because you were too greedy to balance your build out.
Your the one who is illiterate. There is nothing a lot of builds in this game can do to function effectively against a diamond skin ele. That is not true for any other build in this game. Other builds might provide an advantage, but this is completely different. By equipping this trait you have already won against many builds. Also, if condition builds where so faceroll than they would be in tournaments, since they aren’t they must be bad. The fact that you think conditions are OP means you are bad at this game because every class and all the good teamcomps counter full condition builds. Changing this trait to grant 3 second of resistance on entering earth would be a win for literally everyone involved, and your to blinded by bias and hate to see otherwise. Enjoy being petty and angry.
Necros don’t have reflects, invulns, vigor, blocks,
extra dodges, real stability, mobility skills,
burst skills, sustain, or good support. GG ANET.
In my experience it is both low level elementalists and uh other similar players that tend to use and complain about anything in earth. Sadly for spvp water/arcana is still mandatory. Which means to kill anything we generally need to go fire for the third (air is meh.)
water/arcana/earth is basically full bunker and SHOULD be crazy hard to kill. Treat them like you would ANY other full bunker….
@OP
You’re forgetting the biggest headline of people’s QQ, DS has 0 counterplay to it. It kills Carrion/Rabid/Settler builds. There is no other trait like it in the game. Heck, even PU Mesmers have bigger counterplay.. at least I can attempt to attack a stealthed Mesmer or throw out some AoE effects on them. Or better yet, outplaying a Celestial Ele, which I have before. Diamond Skin Eles? No such counterplay if you’re condi. If the Ele has have half a brain then you will not deliver an ounce of damage.
Lowest health pools and weakest armor? I’ll gladly sacrifice my Guardian’s armor and 11.6k/20k health pool for your 11k/17k HP, mobility and high Protection/Regen/Heal upkeep. “We deserve it” excuse doesn’t help your argument. No one deserves a trait that can utterly counter a persons playstyle. Again, no other trait has the same effect as Diamond Skin.
You should play a ranger and go against a condi guardian that should make you realize how biased you are….
Almost every single profession can 1v1 the burn guard, including Rangers. Not sure what your point is.
Also, I’ll re-iterate to the people who are evidently illiterate and continue to whine about the “0 counterplay” (read: build advantage) when they opted to go pure condition, leaving out sustainability and direct damage: You cannot faceroll the whole competitive scene with one build. Shut your mouths and go direct your ridiculously OP condition spamming elsewhere or get wrecked because you were too greedy to balance your build out.
How about opting to go full power instead of condi – oh right… there isn’t a trait that counters power builds the same as DS so there’s not going to be any QQ threads from you.
Don’t you dare say “But Stone Hear -snip-” no.. just no. They stay in Earth Attunement for that to be effective and they can’t rotate to other attunements and deal damage the same time like Diamond Skin can. You sir, have no argument here.
Try to realize that condi is another form of dmg. It can be just as Viable and Cheap as Power builds. People make threads about how Mesmer, Thieves, Warriors, Guards, etc 1 shot burst certain classes while condi is negated by a single trait. There have been 2x more QQ threads about Zerker bursts than condi. Look it up.
Mechanic is broken. Rework it to add counterplay.
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Your the one who is illiterate. There is nothing a lot of builds in this game can do to function effectively against a diamond skin ele. That is not true for any other build in this game. Other builds might provide an advantage, but this is completely different. By equipping this trait you have already won against many builds. Also, if condition builds where so faceroll than they would be in tournaments, since they aren’t they must be bad. The fact that you think conditions are OP means you are bad at this game because every class and all the good teamcomps counter full condition builds. Changing this trait to grant 3 second of resistance on entering earth would be a win for literally everyone involved, and your to blinded by bias and hate to see otherwise. Enjoy being petty and angry.
Okay, firstly, I refuse to be called illiterate by somebody who doesn’t even know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Secondly, I refuse to be lectured about playstyle and strategy by someone who is so evidently unskilled that they are making an unnecessary fuss over the very small threshold of hp (almost always under 2,000 hp) that needs to dealt as damage in order to make it so conditions can be applied.
Diamond Skin is designed to allow an elementalist to get their initial combo off before they are immobilized, chilled, blinded, bleeding, confused, and feared into a corner. Because that’s what happens now with the ubiquity of necromancers and mesmers in sPvP.
You are the one being petty and angry that you can’t run blithely into the fray and scatter every single opponent with one click.
Your the one who is illiterate. There is nothing a lot of builds in this game can do to function effectively against a diamond skin ele. That is not true for any other build in this game. Other builds might provide an advantage, but this is completely different. By equipping this trait you have already won against many builds. Also, if condition builds where so faceroll than they would be in tournaments, since they aren’t they must be bad. The fact that you think conditions are OP means you are bad at this game because every class and all the good teamcomps counter full condition builds. Changing this trait to grant 3 second of resistance on entering earth would be a win for literally everyone involved, and your to blinded by bias and hate to see otherwise. Enjoy being petty and angry.
Okay, firstly, I refuse to be called illiterate by somebody who doesn’t even know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Secondly, I refuse to be lectured about playstyle and strategy by someone who is so evidently unskilled that they are making an unnecessary fuss over the very small threshold of hp (almost always under 2,000 hp) that needs to dealt as damage in order to make it so conditions can be applied.
Diamond Skin is designed to allow an elementalist to get their initial combo off before they are immobilized, chilled, blinded, bleeding, confused, and feared into a corner. Because that’s what happens now with the ubiquity of necromancers and mesmers in sPvP.
You are the one being petty and angry that you can’t run blithely into the fray and scatter every single opponent with one click.
Because 2k damage is not what needs to be dealt. 2k damage at once would work, but with an ele’s sustain, the actual amount tends to be several times that to break Diamond Skin. And Poison can’t help.
On average, it would take a Carrion Necro ~ 10 seconds to break through the Diamond Skin of an auto attacking (and nothing else) Ele. During that time, the Necro does waaaay more than 2k damage. Easily 4k, if not 6k. Against an ele that’s actually playing? You’re easily breaking 12-15k damage that the Necro needs to deal before poison can even help to curb the sustain.
This isn’t the ele being better at the game than the Necro. This is the Ele literally winning because they picked something in their build.
Not a matter of skill, just “I picked this, so I win.”
Diamond Skin is designed to let an Ele do things before being shut down buy conditions? Fine. There are better ways to implement this that don’t hand the ele a win on a silver platter with a naked slave girl against condition builds while abandoning them to a mafia shakedown when a Power build shows up. Like reworking the trait to include Resistance somehow.
Secondly, I refuse to be lectured about playstyle and strategy by someone who is so evidently unskilled that they are making an unnecessary fuss over the very small threshold of hp (almost always under 2,000 hp) that needs to dealt as damage in order to make it so conditions can be applied.
This is why I stated you’re illiterate, part of reading and writing is comprehension, and you aren’t getting it. This point has already been debunked multiple times in the thread, and many more times in actual gameplay. I in fact don’t play condition necro anymore because it sucks. With hardcounters like this in the game there isn’t a point. If you were fighting me on cele necro this trait wouldn’t do much at all. This again illustrates why it should be changed to grant resistance because then it would be useful against more builds while having more counterplay for pure condi builds than it does now.
Diamond Skin is designed to allow an elementalist to get their initial combo off before they are immobilized, chilled, blinded, bleeding, confused, and feared into a corner. Because that’s what happens now with the ubiquity of necromancers and mesmers in sPvP.
Can I get a dev quote on that. I think it’s for helping against condition damage, not to land an initial burst. To that end it would be much better granting resistance then hardcountering a large number of otherwise viable builds.
You are the one being petty and angry that you can’t run blithely into the fray and scatter every single opponent with one click.
I’m not being petty or angry at all actually. It would be petty if this wasn’t a big deal, but hardcounters like this are a big deal. Especially in a game billed as play how you want. You still haven’t addressed the point that anyone in a rabid amulet, and a lot of builds in carrion have 0 realistic chance of winning. Your only argument has been that it is the players fault for equipping that amulet. This goes completely against the gw2 philosophy, so I don’t see how that can be intentional in their design.
Necros don’t have reflects, invulns, vigor, blocks,
extra dodges, real stability, mobility skills,
burst skills, sustain, or good support. GG ANET.
Unless you’re entire team is running full conditions builds. In which case you are really, really doing it wrong.
And yet, no other matchup is a guaranteed win, regardless of skill. Rabid Condi Necro could actually beat Hambow and Showbow warriors, both builds that were considered “hard counters” to a condi Necro. It was extremely difficult, but it could be done without entirely scrapping the build. This is mathematically impossible with Diamond Skin eles.
