Guild Wars 2

yeah, spvp is back. thanks.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-to-pvp-paid-tournaments-replaced-by-free-tournaments/

will 8v8 hotjoin be removed? please say it will.

WOW

Still, having two seperate ques is not needed. Just have 1 free and switch the map daily untill you’ve managed to create a random map generator.

A massive step in the right direction finally.

And there was much rejoicing.

yaaaay finnaly they get rid of the stupid tournament tickets <3

This is EXCELLENT!! Match this with Evan’s Death Breakdown fix earlier today and it is just a phenomenal day!

MarcusKilgannon.5048:

This is EXCELLENT!! Match this with Evan’s Death Breakdown fix earlier today and it is just a phenomenal day!

The only thing that would make it better is if they announced 2v2 arena. But that’s a bit optimistic…

Larynx.2453:

MarcusKilgannon.5048:

This is EXCELLENT!! Match this with Evan’s Death Breakdown fix earlier today and it is just a phenomenal day!

The only thing that would make it better is if they announced 2v2 arena. But that’s a bit optimistic…

Isn’t that tomorrow?!

This is just a step back to where we just were.

Six paragraphs to tell us to wait for the next blog…in 3 more months

So back to the stomping of solo/pugs pre-paid but with faster queue’s and rating?
Lulz.
Well at least there’s a new map to do it in and maybe my traps will be patched.
Well game is moving forward I guess, though I don’t know if I like the direction it’s doing so but w/e.

I don’t get it.

Devs? Anyone? Why would you not wait to do this till tomorrow

This isn’t transparency this is an early Christmas present that we need the other gifts to even enjoy it.

….this is a step BACKWARDS without the info that we’re getting tomorrow. Why even say this now? Why not wait till tomorrow?

….something is missing here

Defektive.7283:

This is just a step back to where we just were.

This is actually the best thing they could do .

If matchmaking works well, if they implement penalty for leavers/afkers and with the upcoming ( hope) of a soloq, the PvP system will finally become sustainable.

Oh, and i have stuff like 300 tickets, i hope they’ll give me tons of golds

ensoriki.5789:

So back to the stomping of solo/pugs pre-paid but with faster queue’s and rating?

well to prevent this we have matchmaking and it’s not said yet you can solo-queue in both queues afaik

@big: u only get gold chests not gold for your tickets^^

They should probably just implement some sort of team system like in WoW. That would make MMR easier.

baerly.7204:

ensoriki.5789:

So back to the stomping of solo/pugs pre-paid but with faster queue’s and rating?

well to prevent this we have matchmaking and it’s not said yet you can solo-queue in both queues afaik

@big: u only get gold chests not gold for your tickets^^

You just broke my bubble, i think i’ll hate you for the rest of my life

Talking seriously, now we have the so desired ranked/unranked split: the “competive wannabes” will play tourneys, scrubs will stay in hot joins.

This is a HUGE change and i would have never expected a change of this size knowing turtle-speed development aNet had in these months.

With such a change, solo q is pretty much needed.

And with solo q, and only 8 professions to play, yyou should really start to work on the kittening balance among those classes, and increase build variety, otherwise the meta will stale very soon.

Anyway, this is REALLY GREAT, BRAVO ANET.

They pretty much removed the whole paid tournament system, something that took ages for them to implement. So we are back to normal tournaments. Luckily we also have single round fights now and ratings to make it actually work. If you think about it, that’s not really a big step since launch.

I’m happy but you gotta be realistic.

8v8 is fun! stop moaning about that

YES! and was it that hard devs? really? Now give us something to buy for glory and few more pvp modes and I am super happy for next few years. Thank you!

@edit
Ahh yea and I need duels or I will jump through my window. And then media will be talking that gamer was crazy cuz of playing GW2 ;P

What shall I do with my 500+ tickets. q.q
Guess I can use it for salvaging stuff lol.
And sweet change.

Do you guys have a lot of faith in the matchmaking system? All I’ve seen is queuing against the same teams over and over and over and over and over again or winning a few in a row and getting matched with someone way above our MMR rating. I’m skeptical and if the matchmaking fails then so will PvP.

IDarko.4709:

They pretty much removed the whole paid tournament system, something that took ages for them to implement. So we are back to normal tournaments. Luckily we also have single round fights now and ratings to make it actually work. If you think about it, that’s not really a big step since launch.

I’m happy but you gotta be realistic.

Lol this.
And their whole Race paradigm thing I assume makes designing armors expensive which is why the game as a whole sees few gem store skins.
Though they probably weren’t making much money off tickets anyways with how liberally they gave em out. So wonder how they’re looking at pvp right now in perspective to the rest of the game.

MMR works well in my opinion. Issue is just that there are not so many players right now. With more players, more teams to face, except prolly on the top.
And to be honest, if you face the same team again you can see easier if your change of tactics pays off or not. ( Therefore it is good practice )

IDarko.4709:

They pretty much removed the whole paid tournament system, something that took ages for them to implement. So we are back to normal tournaments. Luckily we also have single round fights now and ratings to make it actually work. If you think about it, that’s not really a big step since launch.

I’m happy but you gotta be realistic.

What you said is true.

But the point is that paid tournaments were a mistake from the start : not only they put a psychological ( and economical) entry barrier to PvP, but also paid tournaments were unnecessarily splitting an already small PvP community ( my team left months ago, and i never really wanted to entry the paid scene again because there was no reward for my “eventual” effort, balance was/is off and i had to find another team, that is another form of "cost " ( in economics, they’re called searching costs, a form of transaction costs).

Now they fixed that horrible mistake that paid tournaments were: they understood their greed of monetizing PvP was simply destroying the PvP community and are trying to fix the horror.

As a “competitive wannabe”, i can’t be anything but happy about this.

I’m simply looking at the right side of the medal : they could have staeyed with their horror system and destroy what is left of this PvP community.

Luckily they didn’t, and altough you’re right ( nothing really changed from betas), i’m still happy.

Not sure why people are complaining, but I guess no matter what they do people will find something.

Anet wanted to try a lot of new things, and paid tickets + tournaments were one of these things. Yeah, they probably had them in for too long, but they made the right move by getting rid of them. Be happy for that.

They still need to work on telling us what they’re doing, and get some feedback, but this is a step in the right direction.

I don’t want to sound like a pessimist, but the article basically says,

“This competitive concept didn’t work, so we are rolling the system back.”

This is a step backwards, not forwards.

Where is the new player draw? No one is going to read the article and know what the heck is going on, all they’ll see is things that didn’t work, and write it off as a failure.

Where is the solo queue? The pug vs premade separation? These things need to be addressed. These teasers are just making me mad at this point.

Follidus.8027:

Not sure why people are complaining, but I guess no matter what they do people will find something.

Anet wanted to try a lot of new things, and paid tickets + tournaments were one of these things. Yeah, they probably had them in for too long, but they made the right move by getting rid of them. Be happy for that.

They still need to work on telling us what they’re doing, and get some feedback, but this is a step in the right direction.

We still need a solo Q.

We still need a distinction between full teams and solo queuers.

And huge balance changes in order to increase viable builds ( and nerf those over the top).

This is not LoL, we don’t have 100+ champions, we have 8 classes, and if i want to play "competitively " as a thief i shouldnìt be forced to “go backstab or roll another class LOL”.

This is a step in the right direction, but the way is still VEEEEERY long.

And i believe “current” top teams will suffer for a while, till players start to form teams again.

So the 1-round with the new gear will motivate for pugs to win and replace the 5v5 hotjoin ?
While competitive ppl can get gems for the 3-round ? (half the gems now ?)
And i thought i woulddnt get suprized again , after the Decay-MMR and the new Orb-nutrilizer :P

Great step towards fixing things, but still doesnt make SPvP good.

They better reward those with qps well. They had that ticket barrier in way too long is all I’m saying and now they remove it. It was a waste of gems/money for a lot of people.

The new reward chest is not anything to happy about either because we all have the gear already and if it’s the same rewards……-_- But losing teams should’ve never gotten chests in to begin with. At least they changed that.

Good thing.

Now Let me convince all my mates to come back to the game.

If you only could make solo/1/2/3 queue with rating matchmaking…….

I feel like september 2012…

Like Defektive said …. this is just a step backwards to where we already were. Pugs and competitives in the same pool yeaaaaayyyyy. No rewards yeaaaayyyy. No ladder yeaaaaayyyy… no motivation….

HPLT.7132:

I feel like september 2012…

Like detective said …. this is just a step backwards to where we already were. Pugs and competitives in the same pool yeaaaaayyyyy. No rewards yeaaaayyyy. No ladder yeaaaaayyyy… no motivation….

Detective Defektive

I am sry bro was just to lazy to scroll At least I know you are a warrior ingame :>

This is what we asked for…things got much more simplified. When ratings kick in pug vs premade should cease to matter. Still need solo queue

IDarko.4709:

They pretty much removed the whole paid tournament system, something that took ages for them to implement. So we are back to normal tournaments. Luckily we also have single round fights now and ratings to make it actually work. If you think about it, that’s not really a big step since launch.

I’m happy but you gotta be realistic.

You have no idea how much a big deal an actual match makeing system is do you???

HPLT.7132:

I am sry bro was just to lazy to scroll At least I know you are a warrior ingame :>

It’s cool I like being a detective

Honestly is probably the best idea they have had. The whole principle behind paids is redundant with matchmaking. Removing such a tedious barrier to entry will vastly improve the tournaments imho. It also means that I can queue solo in tournaments with matchmaking which is vastly better than the current frees.

To finally get away from this ludicrous attempt to monitise spvp with tickets is fantastic news. Anybody who disagrees with this really just is against logic.

Now we just need a rotation of maps in the 1 round frees which is every few days or better yet random whenever you register.

Edit: I put this in another thread but I will put my comment here too because it seems more like it belongs here.

Edit2: The pvp devs know what they are doing. It must be hard for them to get the things they want in because anet seems to focus on pve, but the game is moving from dead (8 team paids and frees) to on life-support (with 1 team 1 ticket paids) to now probably starting to grow with this change

baerly.7204:

ensoriki.5789:

So back to the stomping of solo/pugs pre-paid but with faster queue’s and rating?

well to prevent this we have matchmaking and it’s not said yet you can solo-queue in both queues afaik

@big: u only get gold chests not gold for your tickets^^

Didnt they also say that as a solo queuer your team should be more likely paired with another solo queue team of similar ratings? We need clarification on this but I thought this was said.

Follidus.8027:

Not sure why people are complaining, but I guess no matter what they do people will find something.

Anet wanted to try a lot of new things, and paid tickets + tournaments were one of these things. Yeah, they probably had them in for too long, but they made the right move by getting rid of them. Be happy for that.

They still need to work on telling us what they’re doing, and get some feedback, but this is a step in the right direction.

It’s forums, no matter what update happens (even if a good update) someone will always whine lol.

Either way, I’m glad they do implement things like this but if Anet sees it’s not working out they will actually remove the update. That’s development.

nerva.7940:

yeah, spvp is back. thanks.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-to-pvp-paid-tournaments-replaced-by-free-tournaments/

will 8v8 hotjoin be removed? please say it will.

yeah, hotjoin needs to go go go! Very toxic to the overall design of the game, I was in disbelief during the beta when someone told me that it was going to ship with release.

Agree with most people here. And yeah, I hope they remove hot join, or at least 8v8 hot join, so that more people will just play “real” games. If the matchmaking and all works and there’s enough people, just playing a single map will basically feel like a hot join. But then everyone enters at the same time and similar skills levels. Much better.

But now people will become mmr protective. “I don’t want to risk my rank anymore” lol
Stratification is on the horizon. Just wait…

Apparently no one understands that

A) Matchmaking is in place, so the only pubstomping will be occuring at 3AM, which happens in every game anyway

B) This is the first step toward a solo que

C) Lowered entry level = more people from PvE and WvW communities actually wanting to try

Bravo Anet, I applaud this change

BLU.8961:

Apparently no one understands that

A) Matchmaking is in place, so the only pubstomping will be occuring at 3AM, which happens in every game anyway

B) This is the first step toward a solo que

C) Lowered entry level = more people from PvE and WvW communities actually wanting to try

Bravo Anet, I applaud this change

The lowered entry level is great but MMR isn’t going to mean anything until we get at least a thousand more sPvPers consistently playing.

Consider that theres maybe 100-200 consistent sPvPers in NA. 5 person teams = 40 teams. On average maybe 5-9 are on at the same time.

The likelihood that MMR will stop those 5-9 teams from fighting each other is extremely low.

It’s a start if the matchmaking is good. Only a blind hater would say its worse then what we have now.

Defektive.7283:

BLU.8961:

Apparently no one understands that

A) Matchmaking is in place, so the only pubstomping will be occuring at 3AM, which happens in every game anyway

B) This is the first step toward a solo que

C) Lowered entry level = more people from PvE and WvW communities actually wanting to try

Bravo Anet, I applaud this change

The lowered entry level is great but MMR isn’t going to mean anything until we get at least a thousand more sPvPers consistently playing.

Consider that theres maybe 100-200 consistent sPvPers in NA. 5 person teams = 40 teams. On average maybe 5-9 are on at the same time.

The likelihood that MMR will stop those 5-9 teams from fighting each other is extremely low.

There are 0 teams NA to clarify. So MMR will mean nothing, meaning the top team wont even mean anything unless everyone comes back

Bye bye QP, you served no purpose and will be forgotten.

Yeah I also think paid tournaments had to go. They were pretending to be “the pro league”, but the game was far too immature to have such a thing. Think how long it was after Prophesies was released that the first GW1 tournament was held!

However, I don’t understand why they have both 1-round and 3-round ones. I suspect the 3-round ones will have a lower population and longer queues. Pick one and stick with it!

Also, give us a few different game modes, there’s only so much conquest you can do before you blow your brains out from boredom!

Removing the ticket system which was one of the main things that destroyed the competitive population is finally here. Micro-transactions for not even ranked tournaments has got to be one of the worst ideas in pvp history.

I hope MMR prevents the month 1-2 situation where hardcore teams were just farming pugs in frees all day, but I have my doubts due to the low population.

Will it put the esport heroes into a long queue to get an even match, or just put them against the next lowest team for 5 hours even if it is a total mismatch?