Illuminated One
Outrageous mesmer phantasm nerf "oct 7"
Anyone feel they went to far with the phantasm nerf?
They can be killed with ease, you can line of sight them or roll to avoid there initial burst then just walk over and 1 or 2 hit them. They die in seconds from almost all kinds of aoe. They stick out like a sore thumb, so why wouldn’t you go over and kill them?
This nerf needs to be accompanied by a buff that lets them take more damage before death and or makes them less noticeable, They should just look like one of your clones but with a different weapon.
Summoning a phantasm once every 20 secs was a miscalculation, please address this further.
Thoughts?
Mesmers are OP, now you might have to actually learn to fight, rather than relying on your Phantasms to do the work. Welcome, to PvP.
Are you somehow implying a 4 second increase in cooldown will cause mesmers to be less op and make you to be a better player?
Entertain me.
If only they nerfed the crap out of Phantasms and boosted our direct damage instead.
Mesmers are OP, now you might have to actually learn to fight, rather than relying on your Phantasms to do the work. Welcome, to PvP.
ROFL. Not sure if troll or just ignorant. Have you even played a Mesmer? A Mesmer without illusions is like a ranger without a pet, but worse.
On a serious note to stay on topic – the nerf is not that outrageous. I am guessing most folks will want to pick up Illusionists Celerity now.
Why do you complain – u get a phantasm every 10 sec with weapon swapping. Or you didn’t knew that?
Mesmers needed a survivability nerf, not a dmg one. I hope ANet makes sure that the ones responsible for the last patch should do at least 40 hours of sPvP this month for punishment of incompetence.
Doesn’t affect my Shatter/Phantasm hybrid build in the slightest.
So, don’t care.
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Mesmers are OP, now you might have to actually learn to fight, rather than relying on your Phantasms to do the work. Welcome, to PvP.
ROFL. Not sure if troll or just ignorant. Have you even played a Mesmer? A Mesmer without illusions is like a ranger without a pet, but worse.
On a serious note to stay on topic – the nerf is not that outrageous. I am guessing most folks will want to pick up Illusionists Celerity now.
You basically just admitted that you rely on your phantasms/illusions to do all the work for you, thus I refer you to my original comment.
Mesmers are OP, now you might have to actually learn to fight, rather than relying on your Phantasms to do the work. Welcome, to PvP.
ROFL. Not sure if troll or just ignorant. Have you even played a Mesmer? A Mesmer without illusions is like a ranger without a pet, but worse.
On a serious note to stay on topic – the nerf is not that outrageous. I am guessing most folks will want to pick up Illusionists Celerity now.
You basically just admitted that you rely on your phantasms/illusions to do all the work for you, thus I refer you to my original comment.
get a load of this pleb
Mesmers and Thieves should be banned from all s/t pvp until they figure this out. Population is dwindling folks, those two classes are a partially responsible for it.
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
These changes doesn’t bother me, the only thing that does is the chaos storm cooldown increase, like that isn’t long enough already.
I don’t rely heavily on my phantasms to do the work.
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Mesmers and Thieves should be banned from all s/t pvp until they figure this out. Population is dwindling folks, those two classes are a partially responsible for it.
you seem frustrated
Not meaning to, just sayin’ how it is. The classes are way above any other class in the performance to skill ratio. Extremely buttercup friendly.
One reason for causing this, normal MMO have pve to clear most bugs and stall pvp till every1 get to lvl 80. GW2 on the other hand does not stop bandwagon( the likes of WOW frostmages in cata) to jump boat and create other classes and start trolling. There no effort at all, which lead to what your seeing Zatria.
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
You can always.. walk away.
I’ll do one better, walk away while putting down aoe. If you single target phantasms then your problem is something else entirely.
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
You can always.. walk away.
I’ll do one better, walk away while putting down aoe. If you single target phantasms then your problem is something else entirely.
I don’t lose to mesmers, so don’t try to deflect from the fact that the argument being used is nonsensical. Thanks. In fact, the OP is the one suggesting you single target phantasms. I’m the one pointing out how kitten that is.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
One advice don’t reply to Frizz, he will single mindlessly lead u down that phantasm/illusion do all the work when the class state the obvious. Puppies noob troll!
I’m sorry but your sentence doesn’t make any sense.
@Senai: No 1 like to run away from a fight, especially the QQer on the forums, it hurts their ego and pride. Charge + spam + win then brag is what pvp is all about for the masses. It make you feel good.
@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
You can always.. walk away.
I’ll do one better, walk away while putting down aoe. If you single target phantasms then your problem is something else entirely.
I don’t lose to mesmers, so don’t try to deflect from the fact that the argument being used is nonsensical. Thanks.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
If you walk over and 2 hit them, that’s 2000-3000 damage that the mesmer didn’t take. Every 10 seconds with swapping, 7 with a utility. If the skills did nothing except heal you for 2k-3k every 7-10s, they would be insanely strong. As it is, they also deal 2-3k every 6-7s. You actually can’t naturally regenerate endurance fast enough to dodge every phantasm attack anyway, so you’re having a little L2P issue there that you might wanna correct before you post about dodging ever again.
Also, this one’s for everyone, please stop using the kitten ‘just dodge’ defense on every kittening skill in the game. You say ‘just dodge’ I hear ‘This skill is balanced if you have infinite endurance’.
TBH I couldn’t care less whether mesmers got nerfed or not, I’m just sick of stupid arguments from terrible players. I’m bad, but I’m not bad enough to suggest ‘just dodge every phantasm’.
You can always.. walk away.
I’ll do one better, walk away while putting down aoe. If you single target phantasms then your problem is something else entirely.
I don’t lose to mesmers, so don’t try to deflect from the fact that the argument being used is nonsensical. Thanks. In fact, the OP is the one suggesting you single target phantasms. I’m the one pointing out how kitten that is.
Mammoth you basically took the words right out of my mouth, and don’t let these people who have rerolled Mesmer because it was easy get to you. As I said above now people are going to actually have to learn to pvp rather than relying on their illusions etc. Good mesmers will still be good. Bad players who picked an easy class will now suffer. All in all a good result.
@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
Ok but you are correct sir..I will claim illusions etc do all the damage. Because they do. Your just going to have to learn to play now and be a big boy,
Puppies spvp, i want answer why 1v1 mesmer complains > everything else a mesmer got in the game! Pve will be the 1 generating more $ than an E-sport that won’t appear till the bugs are stomp out and a clean balance and better interface are implemented. So just make those Elitetist wait like all mmo, they will flock back as soon $$$ are up for grabs.
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@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
Ok but you are correct sir..I will claim illusions etc do all the damage. Because they do. Your just going to have to learn to play now and be a big boy,
You still don’t understand hahahah.
Let makes this clear go to gw2 site read up what mesmer have to offer. Then tell me what are the traits that classify a mesmer, then tell me what mesmer is base on, then only come back and post!
@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
Ok but you are correct sir..I will claim illusions etc do all the damage. Because they do. Your just going to have to learn to play now and be a big boy,
You still don’t understand hahahah.
Let makes this clear go to gw2 site read up what mesmer have to offer. Then tell me what are the traits that classify a mesmer, then tell me what mesmer is base on, then only come back and post!
You assumption is that I don’t understand what you are talking about. But I do understand what you are talking about, you are just wrong.
@ Frizz: I am sorry, did the forum became an English class! , next this is not a pvp game, this is an mmo, casual MMO. Pvp is one of its strong point, not pvp is the one and only one. Why should they add a pve in a pvp game as you assume, why gem store that offer most of the stuff that will only be used by pveer. Take those input and think!
This was the wrong way to nerf them IMO.
The actual problem was phantasm builds where you grab the HP trait and HP signet (which you leave unused) to make your phantasms really tanky while dealing crap tons of dmg.
They needed to fix that, not nerf the cooldowns. Phantasms (besides Defender) should be easy to kill.
@ Frizz: I am sorry, did the forum became an English class! , next this is not a pvp game, this is an mmo, casual MMO. Pvp is one of its strong point, not pvp is the one and only one. Why should they add a pve in a pvp game as you assume, why gem store that offer most of the stuff that will only be used by pveer. Take those input and think!
I don’t expect much English just enough that I can understand your argument. Your awfully arrogant assuming that I don’t understand you because I don’t agree with you. Mesmers still have their illusions they are on a longer CD. This is fair as they pumped them out too fast. Maybe you just need to relax and go learn how to play your class rather than abusing anyone who disagrees with you?
@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
Ok but you are correct sir..I will claim illusions etc do all the damage. Because they do. Your just going to have to learn to play now and be a big boy,
You still don’t understand hahahah.
Let makes this clear go to gw2 site read up what mesmer have to offer. Then tell me what are the traits that classify a mesmer, then tell me what mesmer is base on, then only come back and post!You assumption is that I don’t understand what you are talking about. But I do understand what you are talking about, you are just wrong.
Please refrain from typing so generally, like saying i am better than you and no single valid point is used. Tell me why i am wrong and i will tell you why i am right, that how discussion should go, not this troll puppies!
Anyone feel they went to far with the phantasm nerf?
They can be killed with ease, you can line of sight them or roll to avoid there initial burst then just walk over and 1 or 2 hit them. They die in seconds from almost all kinds of aoe. They stick out like a sore thumb, so why wouldn’t you go over and kill them?
This nerf needs to be accompanied by a buff that lets them take more damage before death and or makes them less noticeable, They should just look like one of your clones but with a different weapon.
Summoning a phantasm once every 20 secs was a miscalculation, please address this further.
Thoughts?
Im playing a mesmer and i think you just react too fast on it. There is still lot of work with phantasms / clones in general.
I think i will just wait and try myself whats the result, but i dont want to judge it that fast. Mesmeres were in need of a nerf thats for sure to me. So if this will help to balance out, then im fine with it.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
Then read my post why 1v1 pvp mesmer problem should affect everything else when they haven’t fix the bugs that still persist from bwe till now! They said they will clear the bugs before the balance hammer is place, what this now!
Outrageous? Hardly. What was outrageous was mesmer builds that could hide in a crowd of THEMSELVES while pooping out phantasms that took out chunks of people’s health and being able to easily have multiple of these things out that never died until either they or the target died.
Yeah… Future players are gonna read how it worked and wish they were here to enjoy it.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
What argument? When have i presented anything that disagrees with this person’s points? Why so defensive?
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
I made it clear that I do not, because it’s impossible.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
Ok but you are correct sir..I will claim illusions etc do all the damage. Because they do. Your just going to have to learn to play now and be a big boy,
You still don’t understand hahahah.
Let makes this clear go to gw2 site read up what mesmer have to offer. Then tell me what are the traits that classify a mesmer, then tell me what mesmer is base on, then only come back and post!You assumption is that I don’t understand what you are talking about. But I do understand what you are talking about, you are just wrong.
Please refrain from typing so generally, like saying i am better than you and no single valid point is used. Tell me why i am wrong and i will tell you why i am right, that how discussion should go, not this troll puppies!
I did explain what the problem was. Look above you will see that I pretty clearly outlined the issue. I’m not going to argue with someone who arrogantly calls people trolls, and tells them they are clueless, when they disagree with them. It is pretty clear to me that you are emotional because Mesmers got nerfed and so you will bite at anyone who tries to disagree.
Frizz, how pray tell is a mesmer supposed to play without relying on clones and phantasms? I believe hearing how you think the class works would be fascinating.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
What argument? When have i presented anything that disagrees with this person’s points? Why so defensive?
I’m afraid you are coming across as defensive.
The problem Frizz is you don’t play a mesmer, or main 1 i guess( assumption). So i will explain , yes phantasm is our main source of dmg, pvper don’t like fighting AI. Mesmer is one and only class that uses illusion(pets) that need good aoe to clear them and make them unusable( which is a problem). So let me ask you why do you bring a break stun utility in your utility slot. Becuz it is to counter stun-lock burst. So now, when it comes to mesmer, why don’t you have a aoe skill with you or kill the illusion, then lots of reason pop up like too much hassle to why a skill to counter 1 class.
Frizz, how pray tell is a mesmer supposed to play without relying on clones and phantasms?
You still have clones etc. They didn’t take them away.
Frizz, how pray tell is a mesmer supposed to play without relying on clones and phantasms?
You still have clones etc. They didn’t take them away.
Don’t bother reasoning. You’re arguing with the mesmers who can’t function without constantly pooping out phantasms.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
What argument? When have i presented anything that disagrees with this person’s points? Why so defensive?
I’m afraid you are coming across as defensive.
You’re implying that i’m trying to change the subject because i “lost” some argument that didn’t take place.
y u mad brah?
20 Dom (I, III)
20 Duel (II, X)
30 Illusion (I, VII, XI)
Sword/Sword (or pistol if you must, but double sword mesmers are slicker :P)
Staff (GS if you must, but staff mesmers are better :P)
Sigil’s of energy on weapons
Divinity + zerkers of course
Blink
Decoy
Null Field/Portal as needed
Clone, Phantasm, Clone (phantasm attacks), gap closer, Shatter
The patch was fine, Mesmers still work as intended.
;)
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Yaks Bend
Yaks Bend
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@Frizz: Good for you, cause you will nv understand as stated!
Ok but you are correct sir..I will claim illusions etc do all the damage. Because they do. Your just going to have to learn to play now and be a big boy,
You still don’t understand hahahah.
Let makes this clear go to gw2 site read up what mesmer have to offer. Then tell me what are the traits that classify a mesmer, then tell me what mesmer is base on, then only come back and post!You assumption is that I don’t understand what you are talking about. But I do understand what you are talking about, you are just wrong.
Please refrain from typing so generally, like saying i am better than you and no single valid point is used. Tell me why i am wrong and i will tell you why i am right, that how discussion should go, not this troll puppies!
I did explain what the problem was. Look above you will see that I pretty clearly outlined the issue. I’m not going to argue with someone who arrogantly calls people trolls, and tells them they are clueless, when they disagree with them. It is pretty clear to me that you are emotional because Mesmers got nerfed and so you will bite at anyone who tries to disagree.
I am clearly kitten at the way it was implemented, i don’t spvp only, i do pve and other stuff, dps against more than 1 v1 fight is tough, we tend to fair badly at how most of our skill is single target and single target use only( once the target dies it dies.). Now the only thing it fix or maybe it fix is 1v1 spvp, that all!
The problem Frizz is you don’t play a mesmer, or main 1 i guess( assumption). So i will explain , yes phantasm is our main source of dmg, pvper don’t like fighting AI. Mesmer is one and only class that uses illusion(pets) that need good aoe to clear them and make them unusable( which is a problem). So let me ask you why do you bring a break stun utility in your utility slot. Becuz it is to counter stun-lock burst. So now, when it comes to mesmer, why don’t you have a aoe skill with you or kill the illusion, then lots of reason pop up like too much hassle to why a skill to counter 1 class.
Lonely, I see your point in terms of PVE and I think it is a valid one. I shouldn’t have dismissed your complaint on that outright and for that I apologise. But in terms of PvP I believe that the increased cooldown was needed as mesmers were cloning themselves so fast that even after an AOE you would have another three mesmers looking back at you. It just means that Mesmers are going to have to think about when they make their clones and use them wisely, and I think this is a good idea, because people should be making intelligent choices about when to use their skills rather than mass producing them. I feel your main complaint is with PVE though and I understand it is not fun playing Mesmer for that….
@Braxxus: 1 build is not fine!They promise variety not cookie cutter single masses build, which they are pigeon holing us into.
Frizz, how pray tell is a mesmer supposed to play without relying on clones and phantasms?
You still have clones etc. They didn’t take them away.
Okay, so shatter builds? You think phantasms were op and mesmers should be playing shatter builds?
Frizz, how pray tell is a mesmer supposed to play without relying on clones and phantasms?
You still have clones etc. They didn’t take them away.
Okay, so shatter builds? You think phantasms were op and mesmers should be playing shatter builds?
I agree with that call.
The problem Frizz is you don’t play a mesmer, or main 1 i guess( assumption). So i will explain , yes phantasm is our main source of dmg, pvper don’t like fighting AI. Mesmer is one and only class that uses illusion(pets) that need good aoe to clear them and make them unusable( which is a problem). So let me ask you why do you bring a break stun utility in your utility slot. Becuz it is to counter stun-lock burst. So now, when it comes to mesmer, why don’t you have a aoe skill with you or kill the illusion, then lots of reason pop up like too much hassle to why a skill to counter 1 class.
Lonely, I see your point in terms of PVE and I think it is a valid one. I shouldn’t have dismissed your complaint on that outright and for that I apologise. But in terms of PvP I believe that the increased cooldown was needed as mesmers were cloning themselves so fast that even after an AOE you would have another three mesmers looking back at you. It just means that Mesmers are going to have to think about when they make their clones and use them wisely, and I think this is a good idea, because people should be making intelligent choices about when to use their skills rather than mass producing them. I feel your main complaint is with PVE though and I understand it is not fun playing Mesmer for that….
Thats the point i am fighting for! But i too still feel that increasing the cd on phantasm will not make it better, now every1 will use shatter build which shred better than phantasm build vs 1v1. The class is too complex to balance, they really did a bad job on implementing such a wonderful idea.
Stop taking advice given by bad players to heart then. If you don’t lose to mesmers you know “to dodge” is not a valid argument regardless. If you don’t lose to mesmers you are agreeing other people just need to play better.
‘L2P’ is just as pathetic an argument. I don’t lose to mesmers because the build I’m running atm is a hard counter. Everyone should build to counter mesmers right? The only role on a team is ‘mesmer hunter’.
Honestly, I don’t care if mesmers are kittening supermen, I’ll just play one. The nerf/buff/balance kitten is irrelevant to me. It’s the inanity of the arguments being used that irritates me. You can’t have a decent discussion on balance on this board because it’s jampacked with forumwarrior sophistry. We could provide productive feedback here, instead it’s a bunch of whining children who can only be ignored, and given an occasional cookie to shut them up for a while.
You come to these forums for constructive criticism? Why? Do you enjoy hurting yourself?
This is a classic example of someone who knows they have lost the argument and are now trying to change the topic. Why don’t you either admit he is right or come up with a good criticism of what he said rather than trolling?
What argument? When have i presented anything that disagrees with this person’s points? Why so defensive?
I’m afraid you are coming across as defensive.
You’re implying that i’m trying to change the subject because i “lost” some argument that didn’t take place.
y u mad brah?
lol yeah I’m really mad that you are losing an argument I am not in. It’s ok we can drop this now.