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PLS..nerf ChronoPhantasma
Only if they remove the daze on respawned phantasms.
And yes, I agree Chronomancers have too many illusions and too many shatters. But we need to nerf other elite specs as well, not just Chrono. Reaper applies too much chill/bleed; Berserker applies too much crippling, bleed, sometimes burning; Dragonhunters have too many blocks; Tempest is actually mildly balanced in spite of having too many auras and heals. I only named a few specs and a few things each spec can do. Some of these specs are blatantly more powerful than others. Berserkers can only be kited by those with constant condition cleansing, escapes, blocks, evades, etc., or else it will condi bomb you over and over with ease.
This isn’t just a Chronomancer problem. Make a thread about how everyone has too much of everything. That’s the problem with the game. Everyone knows that’s the problem, including Anet, who doesn’t want to admit it. And since I just called out Anet’s bullkitten, I’m about to get more infraction points! Bring ‘em on! Greed’s a powerful enemy.
Surprised that it took this long to see yet another nerf mesmer thread.
You have no idea what you are talking about OP. Helseth was running chronophantasma and illusionary reversion to keep that many illusions up, it wasn’t just a single trait that was doing all of that. And no matter how many illusions are up, you still have a CD on shatters, limiting how often you can shatter anyway.
We don’t have a teleport with a 6 sec CD and our elite is not “IWIN” as you can see in that video it didn’t magically kill the warrior. There are definitely ways to counter Moa by, oh, idk, kittening dodging the godkitten ed attack.
just because you don’t know how to fight a certain class does not mean it is overpowered. It means you need to learn that class and learn how to fight it. If you can get a chrono to blow his shatters for any reason he’s easy prey. Neither Sword2 nor Shield 4 make us immune to damage from condis and our clones die in 1 hit.
This is more a helpful video about all the reasons why is not as easy to play/low skill floor as what is said. Every thing the warrior did, or could do was predictable and well telegraphed.
This is more a helpful video about all the reasons why is not as easy to play/low skill floor as what is said. Every thing the warrior did, or could do was predictable and well telegraphed.
OMG, just what is hard in the video?
He’s sitting constantly at 900 radius distance from the warrior, you have all time in the world to dodge and if he get close, you have blurred frenzy and distortion, then you get back again with phase retreat and you call this “hard to kite with” class?
Dude try to play something that has 1/10 of mesmer tools when it comes to evade the enemy..then come back and tell me how “easy” it is, if you think is hard to kite a warrior on a mesmer…try a fresh air ele and see how it goes?
At 900 range…even my grandpa can predict a war…-_-
In an alternate reality where none of the other elite specialisations and their respective meta builds exist I would absolutely agree. But in context of all the broken things in the game currently, Chronophantasma is as balanced as all the other nightmares that plague this game. Sad, but true.
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chrono 80% unhittable at the moment that’s it arena net should do something about this
This is more a helpful video about all the reasons why is not as easy to play/low skill floor as what is said. Every thing the warrior did, or could do was predictable and well telegraphed.
OMG, just what is hard in the video?
He’s sitting constantly at 900 radius distance from the warrior, you have all time in the world to dodge and if he get close, you have blurred frenzy and distortion, then you get back again with phase retreat and you call this “hard to kite with” class?
Dude try to play something that has 1/10 of mesmer tools when it comes to evade the enemy..then come back and tell me how “easy” it is, if you think is hard to kite a warrior on a mesmer…try a fresh air ele and see how it goes?
At 900 range…even my grandpa can predict a war…-_-
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What exactly is that video trying to show? lol
The mesmer is continously predicting and reacting to his opponent. While the warrior is just trying to land his E-Z-WIN-SKILL…
Not every mesmer plays like him, and if the warrior was using another build, he might have had a better chance.
You could look up videos of other people who play with similar skill on other professions who could rek other mesmers.
May seem silly but I find it makes it much easier to fight chronos by killing their illusions/phants and it’s not that hard with the amount of cleave just about every class has even with the signet and skillfull tier trait that increase their hp.
May seem silly but I find it makes it much easier to fight chronos by killing their illusions/phants and it’s not that hard with the amount of cleave just about every class has even with the signet and skillfull tier trait that increase their hp.
Its not silly, if you kill their illusion you deny them most of the power from their shatters, and the traits illusionary reversion and chronophantasma only work on shattering the illusions, not when they are killed. So if you can AOE or cleave down the illusions fast you effectively deny the chrono most of the effectiveness of their shatters, especially CS. With a reduced effectiveness on CS due to a lower number of illusions out, you severely reduce their ability to double cast skills since they will have less time in the shift before it ends.
However focusing on the illusions over the chrono can get you killed. Best way to take them out is AOE, or bait the mesmer and pop invuln when he uses MW.
May seem silly but I find it makes it much easier to fight chronos by killing their illusions/phants and it’s not that hard with the amount of cleave just about every class has even with the signet and skillfull tier trait that increase their hp.
Its not silly, if you kill their illusion you deny them most of the power from their shatters, and the traits illusionary reversion and chronophantasma only work on shattering the illusions, not when they are killed. So if you can AOE or cleave down the illusions fast you effectively deny the chrono most of the effectiveness of their shatters, especially CS. With a reduced effectiveness on CS due to a lower number of illusions out, you severely reduce their ability to double cast skills since they will have less time in the shift before it ends.
However focusing on the illusions over the chrono can get you killed. Best way to take them out is AOE, or bait the mesmer and pop invuln when he uses MW.
Sure need only..very strong aoe
May seem silly but I find it makes it much easier to fight chronos by killing their illusions/phants and it’s not that hard with the amount of cleave just about every class has even with the signet and skillfull tier trait that increase their hp.
Its not silly, if you kill their illusion you deny them most of the power from their shatters, and the traits illusionary reversion and chronophantasma only work on shattering the illusions, not when they are killed. So if you can AOE or cleave down the illusions fast you effectively deny the chrono most of the effectiveness of their shatters, especially CS. With a reduced effectiveness on CS due to a lower number of illusions out, you severely reduce their ability to double cast skills since they will have less time in the shift before it ends.
However focusing on the illusions over the chrono can get you killed. Best way to take them out is AOE, or bait the mesmer and pop invuln when he uses MW.
Sure need only..very strong aoe
Clones take 1 to 2 hits to kill, even as a mesmer myself (which means very low personal DPS). Its trivial to kill them before they reach you, and that 50% health boost doesn’t change that fact. Why not play a chrono and see how fast your clones go down before complaining about them being too hard to kill?
For the love of God…do not give a free pass to Condi Chronomancer at the next balance patch.
Can you please, please, please, PLEASE..nerf Chronophantasma to keep this trait with no ICD is pure madness.
How does it make any sense to allow mesmer to use shatter after shatter like nothing?
I’m looking at the whole picture not only PvP Conquest where people are forced into a small circle, how can you expect me to avoid all this crap 24/7?
And this is in PvP..imagine the same crap in wvw…wth man….
Cleanse on shatter, teleports on 6s CD, blocks for days, insta gapcloser…IWIN elites…and worst of all auto-lock clones, add to that chronophantasma and there is no point even trying to dodge the shatter.
Regardless of what you do ( dodge/block or more) the shatter still recharge..what? lol
My main is an engineer but since i find scrapper terribly boring i switched to chrono. Have you tried to play a chronomancer ? You see this video and it all seems so easy to do …. try it by yourself. It is really hard to time skills and dodge like him (warrior is a fas class to move ) .
Try yourself to kite like that. I am not able to play like him and i think it is really not simple . You saw him winning becouse he has never got a wrong dodge, a wrong sword 3 skill or distortion . He used sword 3 really well for moving around the map switching with its clone and he showed a great map knoledge . it seems something simple and automatic, but try it if you don’t belive me and you will see that it is not simple at all . Chronomancer is strong , ok , but it is not that easy to play like that .
I agree that Chrono is strong but taking a top player as meter for asking a nerf is not so right. I don’t see you find so many mesmers like him .
For the love of God…do not give a free pass to Condi Chronomancer at the next balance patch.
Can you please, please, please, PLEASE..nerf Chronophantasma to keep this trait with no ICD is pure madness.
How does it make any sense to allow mesmer to use shatter after shatter like nothing?
I’m looking at the whole picture not only PvP Conquest where people are forced into a small circle, how can you expect me to avoid all this crap 24/7?
And this is in PvP..imagine the same crap in wvw…wth man….
Cleanse on shatter, teleports on 6s CD, blocks for days, insta gapcloser…IWIN elites…and worst of all auto-lock clones, add to that chronophantasma and there is no point even trying to dodge the shatter.
Regardless of what you do ( dodge/block or more) the shatter still recharge..what? lol
My main is an engineer but since i find scrapper terribly boring i switched to chrono. Have you tried to play a chronomancer ? You see this video and it all seems so easy to do …. try it by yourself. It is really hard to time skills and dodge like him (warrior is a fas class to move ) .
Try yourself to kite like that. I am not able to play like him and i think it is really not simple . You saw him winning becouse he has never got a wrong dodge, a wrong sword 3 skill or distortion . He used sword 3 really well for moving around the map switching with its clone and he showed a great map knoledge . it seems something simple and automatic, but try it if you don’t belive me and you will see that it is not simple at all . Chronomancer is strong , ok , but it is not that easy to play like that .
I agree that Chrono is strong but taking a top player as meter for asking a nerf is not so right. I don’t see you find so many mesmers like him .
Chronomancer is a very hard class to play well. And any class is extremely hard to play at the level that Helseth plays. He’s one of the best mesmers in the world, its no wonder hemakes it look so easy.
For the love of God…do not give a free pass to Condi Chronomancer at the next balance patch.
Can you please, please, please, PLEASE..nerf Chronophantasma to keep this trait with no ICD is pure madness.
How does it make any sense to allow mesmer to use shatter after shatter like nothing?
I’m looking at the whole picture not only PvP Conquest where people are forced into a small circle, how can you expect me to avoid all this crap 24/7?
And this is in PvP..imagine the same crap in wvw…wth man….
Cleanse on shatter, teleports on 6s CD, blocks for days, insta gapcloser…IWIN elites…and worst of all auto-lock clones, add to that chronophantasma and there is no point even trying to dodge the shatter.
Regardless of what you do ( dodge/block or more) the shatter still recharge..what? lol
Nerfing condi chrono will leave mesmer with what viable build? Power is already not viable.
For the love of God…do not give a free pass to Condi Chronomancer at the next balance patch.
Can you please, please, please, PLEASE..nerf Chronophantasma to keep this trait with no ICD is pure madness.
How does it make any sense to allow mesmer to use shatter after shatter like nothing?
I’m looking at the whole picture not only PvP Conquest where people are forced into a small circle, how can you expect me to avoid all this crap 24/7?
And this is in PvP..imagine the same crap in wvw…wth man….
Cleanse on shatter, teleports on 6s CD, blocks for days, insta gapcloser…IWIN elites…and worst of all auto-lock clones, add to that chronophantasma and there is no point even trying to dodge the shatter.
Regardless of what you do ( dodge/block or more) the shatter still recharge..what? lol
Nerfing condi chrono will leave mesmer with what viable build? Power is already not viable.
For supposedly not being viable I’m seeing a lot of powershatter mesmers in Ruby/Diamond and know at least 1 player who’s 3rd tier legendary with his powershatter mesmer as main. Yes, they don’t have the sustain of chronophantasma, but good lord they hurt.
There’s 3 viable condi mesmer builds, of which chronophantasma is only 1. Calling for a nerf of Chronophantasma is not a unilateral call for nerfing condi mesmer as a role.
For the love of God…do not give a free pass to Condi Chronomancer at the next balance patch.
Can you please, please, please, PLEASE..nerf Chronophantasma to keep this trait with no ICD is pure madness.
How does it make any sense to allow mesmer to use shatter after shatter like nothing?
I’m looking at the whole picture not only PvP Conquest where people are forced into a small circle, how can you expect me to avoid all this crap 24/7?
And this is in PvP..imagine the same crap in wvw…wth man….
Cleanse on shatter, teleports on 6s CD, blocks for days, insta gapcloser…IWIN elites…and worst of all auto-lock clones, add to that chronophantasma and there is no point even trying to dodge the shatter.
Regardless of what you do ( dodge/block or more) the shatter still recharge..what? lol
Nerfing condi chrono will leave mesmer with what viable build? Power is already not viable.
For supposedly not being viable I’m seeing a lot of powershatter mesmers in Ruby/Diamond and know at least 1 player who’s 3rd tier legendary with his powershatter mesmer as main. Yes, they don’t have the sustain of chronophantasma, but good lord they hurt.
There’s 3 viable condi mesmer builds, of which chronophantasma is only 1. Calling for a nerf of Chronophantasma is not a unilateral call for nerfing condi mesmer as a role.
I didn’t see many power shatter at the qualifiers. The other 2 are some what niche, chronophantasma with moa is meta for a reason. Reducing it to niche as well is a bad idea. Making power equally as attractive is a better idea, that way build diversity is increased instead of decreased.
Now in queue, when I switch to, a power shatter, it’s against a specific line up, low condi pressure (I use the term low with a grain of salt) with targets that do not have prolonged defense combos (engi, necro, ranger) or only active immunities (other mesmers, thief, guard, rev) and ONLY if I KNOW I can outplay them (team might just be lacking solid roaming dps).
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For the love of God…do not give a free pass to Condi Chronomancer at the next balance patch.
Can you please, please, please, PLEASE..nerf Chronophantasma to keep this trait with no ICD is pure madness.
How does it make any sense to allow mesmer to use shatter after shatter like nothing?
I’m looking at the whole picture not only PvP Conquest where people are forced into a small circle, how can you expect me to avoid all this crap 24/7?
And this is in PvP..imagine the same crap in wvw…wth man….
Cleanse on shatter, teleports on 6s CD, blocks for days, insta gapcloser…IWIN elites…and worst of all auto-lock clones, add to that chronophantasma and there is no point even trying to dodge the shatter.
Regardless of what you do ( dodge/block or more) the shatter still recharge..what? lol
Nerfing condi chrono will leave mesmer with what viable build? Power is already not viable.
For supposedly not being viable I’m seeing a lot of powershatter mesmers in Ruby/Diamond and know at least 1 player who’s 3rd tier legendary with his powershatter mesmer as main. Yes, they don’t have the sustain of chronophantasma, but good lord they hurt.
There’s 3 viable condi mesmer builds, of which chronophantasma is only 1. Calling for a nerf of Chronophantasma is not a unilateral call for nerfing condi mesmer as a role.
I didn’t see many power shatter at the qualifiers. The other 2 are some what niche, chronophantasma with moa is meta for a reason. Reducing it to niche as well is a bad idea. Making power equally as attractive is a better idea, that way build diversity is increased instead of decreased.
Now in queue, when I switch to, a power shatter, it’s against a specific line up, low condi pressure (I use the term low with a grain of salt) with targets that do not have prolonged defense combos (engi, necro, ranger) or only active immunities (other mesmers, thief, guard, rev) and ONLY if I KNOW I can outplay them (team might just be lacking solid roaming dps).
Chronomancer has been nerfed quite a lot since season 1 ( god mode) . Now it is strong but it is not invincible ( in that video you were seeing one of the strong mesmer in world so it is not the “standard” … the skill of the player makes the difference ) . Chronomancer is also quite difficult to play. I think , with thief it is the hardest profession with which you can have success . If you are good at it you can really “carry” becouse you have good evasion … good mobility , portal and it is strong in 1 vs 1 … but it is not so easy to make it automatic. Try to roll a condi warrior , a DH or a scrapper ( my main ) and you will see how they are simpler than chronomancer. Problem is that ( at least for me ) it is not so natural to shatter at the right time or to wait on autoattack ( i come from engineer so not so used to autoattack ) .
In an alternate reality where none of the other elite specialisations and their respective meta builds exist I would absolutely agree. But in context of all the broken things in the game currently, Chronophantasma is as balanced as all the other nightmares that plague this game. Sad, but true.
Totally agree. Illusions die with a slight breeze and both Chronophantasma and Illusionary Reversion are almost mandatory to have any chance of being successful against HoT specs. One duel vs a melee warrior doesn’t show anything – how about a duel vs a DH, scrapper, reaper, daredevil or druid for example.
The problem lies in condi and it’s readily available options of application, not Chronophantasma.
If Maim the Disillusioned, and Illusionary Retribution only worked on F1 and F2 presuming you tweak the numbers a bit, Condi Chrono would be on par with power shatter, which isn’t stepping on anyones toes with or without Chronophantasma.
(although if you do this, back to being portal bots lol)
Not that anyone complaining about Chronophantasma knows what the other traits I mentioned do without looking it up, but let’s just hate on the one thing we can evidently see and call it broken without understanding context.
Chrono as a line as been gutted enough. Outside of CS which is super easy to play around, the passive speed boost, and the GM trait, chrono line gives little else for PvP. because slow is unreliable and underwhelming, quickness’s utility is gone, and there is little point speccing for alacrity especially since the nerfs.
I’d be willing to trade an ICD with no daze on Chronophantasma for our alacrity back to it’s original state. I like the idea of it being more bursty, but the freequency of shatters cannot diminish for the sake of condi (when again the problem IS CONDI) when power already struggles with it’s frequency of shatters.
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10 to 15 seconds idc would be fine if daze on phantasm would be removed . It would actually be good on power mesmer bc power don’t randomly spam all he’s shatters.
10 to 15 seconds idc would be fine if daze on phantasm would be removed . It would actually be good on power mesmer bc power don’t randomly spam all he’s shatters.
power rotation is using f1-3 vulnerability daze the heal and dmg
condi rotation do the same just with condi
the trick is to bait it little bit before you spamm
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