Guild Wars 2

http://strawpoll.me/5502028

Vote on this poll. If we get enough votes, hopefully it will show ArenaNet how much this is needed. The league system will make this an even bigger issue with premade teams having a significant advantage.

If you want a proper analysis on why gw2 needs a soloq, go here:
http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/13478223

If it means pure PUG vs pure PUG teams then yes. If MMR can’t do the job of fair match making then a totally random system is better than what we have now.

Of course we do. Even Anet knows this is how it should be. The problem is there is not enough players playing PvP. It is the obvious reason to why they combined the two. PvP needs to gain in popularity before they will go back to separate queues. Otherwise expect some ludicrous wait times hoping for that group of 2 in your mmr to queue with your waiting 3 man team.

Of course people who don’t have full visibility to the back end of PvP will ask for solo q.

Asking “Would you rather queue up solo only against other solo queue people or mostly against other solo queue people” is a no brainer…

But there’s a couple missing pieces to this assumption:

1) Players often don’t accurately recognize “premades” and often assume that the other team has people who queued together while their team is all randoms. The psychological effect of negativity bias plays into this too where people are more likely to remember being paired against a strong premade than the times when they had a strong premade on their team.

2) We don’t know exactly how many people are queueing for PvP at one time.

3) We don’t know the full mechanics of the MMR system.

Because of 2 and 3, we don’t know exactly how good the queue times and matches would be in a solo Q world.

And finally, maybe a lot of people here are new or simply have forgotten, but there were a lot of problems with the reward balancing of solo Q and team Q. Before they were merged, people would often just queue for Team Q even while solo because the rewards were better.

Im fine with it mainly because it will teach a lot of you people that the merged queues is not really whats driving your w-l record. You will all find something else to cry about when your win loss record hardly budges when solo queue comes back. I do think solo queue allows for more competitive matches on average but I stick to my guns that you wont necessarily win more then you did as a solo player in the merged queue.

brannigan.9831:

Im fine with it mainly because it will teach a lot of you people that the merged queues is not really whats driving your w-l record. You will all find something else to cry about when your win loss record hardly budges when solo queue comes back. I do think solo queue allows for more competitive matches on average but I stick to my guns that you wont necessarily win more.

It probably would…but this community tends to have a short memory, as this has been done before.

Hadn’t bothered to watch helseth’s video before now. Decided to watch it just now.

I think the most important point he makes is that if we don’t have a SoloQ, top tier players will only play with their teams. Reason being, if they do SoloQ and lose, they will hurt their team’s standing.
First, this means legendary tier would pretty much be filled with just teams. I don’t think anyone wants this.
Second, top tier players would stream less often because they wouldn’t soloq. Which is important because streamers help attract people to guild wars 2. We all know this game’s pvp population has gotten smaller.

I really had not thought of the issue in this way, but it does make sense and I agree with it. We need a soloq. It doesn’t matter how good match making is, we need it for these reasons.

By the way, in the video he talks about it more in depth so if you are not convinced about it, please do watch it (in op’s post).

Hubris.7436:

Hadn’t bothered to watch helseth’s video before now. Decided to watch it just now.

I think the most important point he makes is that if we don’t have a SoloQ, top tier players will only play with their teams. Reason being, if they do SoloQ and lose, they will hurt their team’s standing.
First, this means legendary tier would pretty much be filled with just teams. I don’t think anyone wants this.
Second, top tier players would stream less often because they wouldn’t soloq. Which is important because streamers help attract people to guild wars 2. We all know this game’s pvp population has gotten smaller.

I really had not thought of the issue in this way, but it does make sense and I agree with it. We need a soloq. It doesn’t matter how good match making is, we need it for these reasons.

By the way, in the video he talks about it more in depth so if you are not convinced about it, please do watch it (in op’s post).

Your post confuses me. Are you saying soloQ would lead to less steaming by top players so having it is bad? Or that we need a soloQ option because it’s good? I think you phrased your post in an odd fashion.

brannigan.9831:

Im fine with it mainly because it will teach a lot of you people that the merged queues is not really whats driving your w-l record. You will all find something else to cry about when your win loss record hardly budges when solo queue comes back. I do think solo queue allows for more competitive matches on average but I stick to my guns that you wont necessarily win more then you did as a solo player in the merged queue.

It’s not just about winning everything. For a start, it’s also about playing the same game. You can’t just make up for lack of organisation from being full soloq with raw mechanical ability, that’s like making up for the lack of meat in a lasagne with more cheese – soloq and teamq is like a different game altogether.

It’s also about top players streaming. They will never stream their team queues since it puts their strategies at risk and soloq’ing with high mmr puts you vs premade team with significantly less experienced players on both sides and that is no fun to watch. Watch the video I linked from Helseth if you don’t believe me. http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/13478223

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Hubris.7436:

Hadn’t bothered to watch helseth’s video before now. Decided to watch it just now.

I think the most important point he makes is that if we don’t have a SoloQ, top tier players will only play with their teams. Reason being, if they do SoloQ and lose, they will hurt their team’s standing.
First, this means legendary tier would pretty much be filled with just teams. I don’t think anyone wants this.
Second, top tier players would stream less often because they wouldn’t soloq. Which is important because streamers help attract people to guild wars 2. We all know this game’s pvp population has gotten smaller.

I really had not thought of the issue in this way, but it does make sense and I agree with it. We need a soloq. It doesn’t matter how good match making is, we need it for these reasons.

By the way, in the video he talks about it more in depth so if you are not convinced about it, please do watch it (in op’s post).

Your post confuses me. Are you saying soloQ would lead to less steaming by top players so having it is bad? Or that we need a soloQ option because it’s good? I think you phrased your post in an odd fashion.

Sorry, I can see why that seemed confusing. I’m saying if we don’t have a dedicated SoloQ option (seperate queues for teams and soloqers) top tier players are less likely to queue by themselves because they will face other teams. If they did, they would hurt the standing of their team if they lost.

Basically, having a SoloQ allows these players to play by themselves without affecting the people they play on a team with in team queue. This means they will be willing to stream more often. This is a good thing.

Dahkeus.8243:

Of course people who don’t have full visibility to the back end of PvP will ask for solo q.

Asking “Would you rather queue up solo only against other solo queue people or mostly against other solo queue people” is a no brainer…

But there’s a couple missing pieces to this assumption:

1) Players often don’t accurately recognize “premades” and often assume that the other team has people who queued together while their team is all randoms. The psychological effect of negativity bias plays into this too where people are more likely to remember being paired against a strong premade than the times when they had a strong premade on their team.

2) We don’t know exactly how many people are queueing for PvP at one time.

3) We don’t know the full mechanics of the MMR system.

Because of 2 and 3, we don’t know exactly how good the queue times and matches would be in a solo Q world.

And finally, maybe a lot of people here are new or simply have forgotten, but there were a lot of problems with the reward balancing of solo Q and team Q. Before they were merged, people would often just queue for Team Q even while solo because the rewards were better.

The rewards problem is easily solved – just have the same rewards for solo and team q – like it should have been in the first place.

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

bhagwad.4281:

Dahkeus.8243:

Of course people who don’t have full visibility to the back end of PvP will ask for solo q.

Asking “Would you rather queue up solo only against other solo queue people or mostly against other solo queue people” is a no brainer…

But there’s a couple missing pieces to this assumption:

1) Players often don’t accurately recognize “premades” and often assume that the other team has people who queued together while their team is all randoms. The psychological effect of negativity bias plays into this too where people are more likely to remember being paired against a strong premade than the times when they had a strong premade on their team.

2) We don’t know exactly how many people are queueing for PvP at one time.

3) We don’t know the full mechanics of the MMR system.

Because of 2 and 3, we don’t know exactly how good the queue times and matches would be in a solo Q world.

And finally, maybe a lot of people here are new or simply have forgotten, but there were a lot of problems with the reward balancing of solo Q and team Q. Before they were merged, people would often just queue for Team Q even while solo because the rewards were better.

The rewards problem is easily solved – just have the same rewards for solo and team q – like it should have been in the first place.

Soloq players are majority, putting teamq and soloq together was never going to be popular decision (nor good for that matter).

Nope. I don’t want hour long queues again… I just want to play the game. Current implementation is fine, I seem to win about half of my games and mostly have fun match ups.

Increase the Gw2 pvp populatation by about 10 fold, and then sure, add SoloQ back.

Most peoples arguments about adding SoloQ back are just idiotic. The #1 reason the queue is the way it currently is, is because of queue times. But majority of you guys on these forums seem to just want to ignore this…

Klinch.2964:

Increase the Gw2 pvp populatation by about 10 fold, and then sure, add SoloQ back.

Question is, how do you increase the population without providing a decent environment?

Do you have a team? Play teamq!
Are you a solo player, or your team is offline? Play soloq! Oh wait, there is no soloq? Well you have 2 options when leagues come: risk facing premades and potentially destroy your rank, or log off – the one thing lack of soloque surely won’t do is increase the population.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

Also your comparing 2 completely different games to one another. 2 mobas with premade characters and lanes to fight in. In GW2 where players make there own builds based on there own team comps. Its completely different in so many variations and comparing the 3 games is a bit re*****ed in any sense.

Just looking at GW2 history and PvP current situation. Solo isnt a good idea for the masses. There still isnt any league or PvP leaderboard, absolutely nothing to keep players other then the fact that GW2 has the best PvP system out there for individual success. People come onto this forum to complain about MM as it is.

Ive ran into premade Esl/Ag teams and when im on a team of pugs before the match has even started they cry and act like we have already lost. Having 2 seperate ques where potentially you have very average players going up against elite players because people are split into multiple ques from stronghold/ to solo conquest and team conquest.

Lastly we havent seen any of the rewards coming in the Exp, what if they dont interest the PvP player base? Ive given reason why it didnt work before and why it wont work in the future. Bringing in moba games with huge money tournaments and comparing to this is like comparing are not the same at all in a million different ways and you bringing it up simply forced me to write this monologue since i feel you didnt understand me.

I voted yes (like many of you) but this only means 1vs1 and 5vs5 basically, compositions like 2-2-1, 3-1-1 and 4-1 with a soloque are cut off.

Imho is better to please the majority of people for every match, instead of risking to create sometimes bad games and sometimes other decent games with no properly roster size composition matched.

In this way ofc you please only 2 extremes of roster size composition but honestly for this game and for the community in general i think is the best option.

This will not gonna happen with the first season, maybe with the second season if the complaints will be really a lot (like i think).

Hubris.7436:

Hadn’t bothered to watch helseth’s video before now. Decided to watch it just now.

I think the most important point he makes is that if we don’t have a SoloQ, top tier players will only play with their teams. Reason being, if they do SoloQ and lose, they will hurt their team’s standing.
First, this means legendary tier would pretty much be filled with just teams. I don’t think anyone wants this.
Second, top tier players would stream less often because they wouldn’t soloq. Which is important because streamers help attract people to guild wars 2. We all know this game’s pvp population has gotten smaller.

I really had not thought of the issue in this way, but it does make sense and I agree with it. We need a soloq. It doesn’t matter how good match making is, we need it for these reasons.

By the way, in the video he talks about it more in depth so if you are not convinced about it, please do watch it (in op’s post).

This 10000%. You can count on my vote Trixxti.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

If we had 2v2/3v3 tdm round based arenas as well as a plethora of other PvP elements found in other MMORPG games (not moba) then soloQ wouldn’t matter.

Hot joins are basically soloq. If a premade enters then leave and join another hotjoin server.

edit
Not sure why hotjoins can’t be solo players only while unrank and rank can be team based. Hmm…

kdaddy.5431:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

Also your comparing 2 completely different games to one another. 2 mobas with premade characters and lanes to fight in. In GW2 where players make there own builds based on there own team comps. Its completely different in so many variations and comparing the 3 games is a bit re*****ed in any sense.

Just looking at GW2 history and PvP current situation. Solo isnt a good idea for the masses. There still isnt any league or PvP leaderboard, absolutely nothing to keep players other then the fact that GW2 has the best PvP system out there for individual success. People come onto this forum to complain about MM as it is.

Ive ran into premade Esl/Ag teams and when im on a team of pugs before the match has even started they cry and act like we have already lost. Having 2 seperate ques where potentially you have very average players going up against elite players because people are split into multiple ques from stronghold/ to solo conquest and team conquest.

Lastly we havent seen any of the rewards coming in the Exp, what if they dont interest the PvP player base? Ive given reason why it didnt work before and why it wont work in the future. Bringing in moba games with huge money tournaments and comparing to this is like comparing are not the same at all in a million different ways and you bringing it up simply forced me to write this monologue since i feel you didnt understand me.

Did you even watch helseths video? He makes a lot of sense. Your claim that spvp didn’t work in the past could be true, but there was no progression at that time; no league. Leagues change EVERYTHING.

The only problem with soloq back then was matchmaking, ANet fixes this and then suddenly removes soloq all together. 15min queue times were annoying, but they weren’t 15 mins spent staring at HoTM since you can actually DO SOMETHING while waiting in queue back then so the queue times were bearable.

Jelzouki.4128:

kdaddy.5431:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

Also your comparing 2 completely different games to one another. 2 mobas with premade characters and lanes to fight in. In GW2 where players make there own builds based on there own team comps. Its completely different in so many variations and comparing the 3 games is a bit re*****ed in any sense.

Just looking at GW2 history and PvP current situation. Solo isnt a good idea for the masses. There still isnt any league or PvP leaderboard, absolutely nothing to keep players other then the fact that GW2 has the best PvP system out there for individual success. People come onto this forum to complain about MM as it is.

Ive ran into premade Esl/Ag teams and when im on a team of pugs before the match has even started they cry and act like we have already lost. Having 2 seperate ques where potentially you have very average players going up against elite players because people are split into multiple ques from stronghold/ to solo conquest and team conquest.

Lastly we havent seen any of the rewards coming in the Exp, what if they dont interest the PvP player base? Ive given reason why it didnt work before and why it wont work in the future. Bringing in moba games with huge money tournaments and comparing to this is like comparing are not the same at all in a million different ways and you bringing it up simply forced me to write this monologue since i feel you didnt understand me.

Did you even watch helseths video? He makes a lot of sense. Your claim that spvp didn’t work in the past could be true, but there was no progression at that time; no league. Leagues change EVERYTHING.

i have not seen the vid but your quote of “leagues change everything” is simply not true. The majority of people on my friends list dont even play real matches anymore. They come on do PvP daily room knock out 3-4 of the daily and leave. What is to bring them back?

List of things that need reworked

*match making
*rewards
*diversity ( the ability to bring in a new crowd without alienating them and keeping old Gw2 Pvp players to stay)

• the appropriate fixes to PvP and bugs (seriously im still getting hit by skills under the building at kylo, etc)

These are just basics things that needed looking into. Not including everything they need to bring in such as new maps for conquest, deahth match and stronghold. It would be very disappointing to me if we didnt at least get 3 new conquest maps and 2 new death match maps and 1 new stronghold map.

To top it off you want Anet to just scrap there whole idea on PvP and do what helseth has said? So i ask you this, what is the % in your head they go in and change the PvP system to meet up to the standards in the video you have mentioned?

Team queue should be limited to unranked only. There is no reason a premade with more than 2 people should be allowed in a ranked queue, especially when leagues will come.

kdaddy.5431:

Jelzouki.4128:

kdaddy.5431:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

Also your comparing 2 completely different games to one another. 2 mobas with premade characters and lanes to fight in. In GW2 where players make there own builds based on there own team comps. Its completely different in so many variations and comparing the 3 games is a bit re*****ed in any sense.

Just looking at GW2 history and PvP current situation. Solo isnt a good idea for the masses. There still isnt any league or PvP leaderboard, absolutely nothing to keep players other then the fact that GW2 has the best PvP system out there for individual success. People come onto this forum to complain about MM as it is.

Ive ran into premade Esl/Ag teams and when im on a team of pugs before the match has even started they cry and act like we have already lost. Having 2 seperate ques where potentially you have very average players going up against elite players because people are split into multiple ques from stronghold/ to solo conquest and team conquest.

Lastly we havent seen any of the rewards coming in the Exp, what if they dont interest the PvP player base? Ive given reason why it didnt work before and why it wont work in the future. Bringing in moba games with huge money tournaments and comparing to this is like comparing are not the same at all in a million different ways and you bringing it up simply forced me to write this monologue since i feel you didnt understand me.

Did you even watch helseths video? He makes a lot of sense. Your claim that spvp didn’t work in the past could be true, but there was no progression at that time; no league. Leagues change EVERYTHING.

i have not seen the vid but your quote of “leagues change everything” is simply not true. The majority of people on my friends list dont even play real matches anymore. They come on do PvP daily room knock out 3-4 of the daily and leave. What is to bring them back?

List of things that need reworked

*match making
*rewards
*diversity ( the ability to bring in a new crowd without alienating them and keeping old Gw2 Pvp players to stay)

• the appropriate fixes to PvP and bugs (seriously im still getting hit by skills under the building at kylo, etc)

These are just basics things that needed looking into. Not including everything they need to bring in such as new maps for conquest, deahth match and stronghold. It would be very disappointing to me if we didnt at least get 3 new conquest maps and 2 new death match maps and 1 new stronghold map.

To top it off you want Anet to just scrap there whole idea on PvP and do what helseth has said? So i ask you this, what is the % in your head they go in and change the PvP system to meet up to the standards in the video you have mentioned?

I don’t know what you mean by diversity but they are rolling out a new system for match making and rewards are fine. The legendary division does change everything. If you do PvP just to get your dailies done you can’t even comment on what PvP needs.

What are you even talking about? WATCH THE VIDEO. What do you mean by scrap the whole idea of PvP? They aren’t “scrapping” anything. Jesus I swear some people just like to talk without putting any reason behind it.

GW2 does not need solo queue. Its a casual game. You can queue solo regardless.

Jelzouki.4128:

kdaddy.5431:

Jelzouki.4128:

kdaddy.5431:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

Also your comparing 2 completely different games to one another. 2 mobas with premade characters and lanes to fight in. In GW2 where players make there own builds based on there own team comps. Its completely different in so many variations and comparing the 3 games is a bit re*****ed in any sense.

Just looking at GW2 history and PvP current situation. Solo isnt a good idea for the masses. There still isnt any league or PvP leaderboard, absolutely nothing to keep players other then the fact that GW2 has the best PvP system out there for individual success. People come onto this forum to complain about MM as it is.

Ive ran into premade Esl/Ag teams and when im on a team of pugs before the match has even started they cry and act like we have already lost. Having 2 seperate ques where potentially you have very average players going up against elite players because people are split into multiple ques from stronghold/ to solo conquest and team conquest.

Lastly we havent seen any of the rewards coming in the Exp, what if they dont interest the PvP player base? Ive given reason why it didnt work before and why it wont work in the future. Bringing in moba games with huge money tournaments and comparing to this is like comparing are not the same at all in a million different ways and you bringing it up simply forced me to write this monologue since i feel you didnt understand me.

Did you even watch helseths video? He makes a lot of sense. Your claim that spvp didn’t work in the past could be true, but there was no progression at that time; no league. Leagues change EVERYTHING.

i have not seen the vid but your quote of “leagues change everything” is simply not true. The majority of people on my friends list dont even play real matches anymore. They come on do PvP daily room knock out 3-4 of the daily and leave. What is to bring them back?

List of things that need reworked

*match making
*rewards
*diversity ( the ability to bring in a new crowd without alienating them and keeping old Gw2 Pvp players to stay)

• the appropriate fixes to PvP and bugs (seriously im still getting hit by skills under the building at kylo, etc)

These are just basics things that needed looking into. Not including everything they need to bring in such as new maps for conquest, deahth match and stronghold. It would be very disappointing to me if we didnt at least get 3 new conquest maps and 2 new death match maps and 1 new stronghold map.

To top it off you want Anet to just scrap there whole idea on PvP and do what helseth has said? So i ask you this, what is the % in your head they go in and change the PvP system to meet up to the standards in the video you have mentioned?

I don’t know what you mean by diversity but they are rolling out a new system for match making and rewards are fine. The legendary division does change everything. If you do PvP just to get your dailies done you can’t even comment on what PvP needs.

What are you even talking about? WATCH THE VIDEO. What do you mean by scrap the whole idea of PvP? They aren’t “scrapping” anything. Jesus I swear some people just like to talk without putting any reason behind it.

Alright a few things since you just dont seem to understand what im saying. I have now watched the video and it seems that Helseth and I agree on alot of things. A few things we differ is his belief that F2P is huge for the game.

I agree that GW2 is awesome and the PvP is elite in so many aspects but people coming into the game will struggle F2P or not. The Skill level in this game is unlike any other and what i meant about DIVERSITY is the ability for match making to put players in the right matches. What good is F2P and solo que if people of your level are not on. 2 things happen and 1 of which is you play players better then you over and over making you frustrated with the game. The other end is you playing players your better then and they get the very same feeling of being ovewhelmed.

Helseth also touched something which is a negative which is competitive players egos. There is already a ton of players in this game who believe they are better then they really are. This becomes a huge problem when they get stuck in a league simply cause there not good enough and have excuses. Not only did he touch this he only talked about the positive side of things which isnt realistic at all. He also talks about the carrot-goals- end game content for PvP which anet already destroyed. How many people quit the game the second we all became level 80 over night?

Seriously i want to ask you if you read what i wrote? I asked the question on the facts, what has anet done to give you the idea they can make this work? They killed level progression, unique titles and clothing for PvP players, the leader board, and still have unsuccessfully fixed bugs that give dagger necros a huge advantage.

What if people dont come into this game and dont stay? What if old players dont come back? What if the rewards are not to the peoples in this games liking? Seriously did you just missed everything i said. Helseth and I have different views on it but simply stated we agree. The population in this game is too small and i simply stated that anet would have to do alot right starting with fixing the stuff that needs fixed first. As it currently stands solo que still will not work for all the same reasons it didnt work before. Helseth literally said nothing and only has hope for this game since he loves it.

Side not he is funny and does alot of snapping

kdaddy.5431:

Jelzouki.4128:

kdaddy.5431:

Jelzouki.4128:

kdaddy.5431:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Good point. Only dead unpopular games like Dota 2 and LoL separate solo and team queues. Clearly GW2 knows how to make a successful and popular PvP experience. Let’s put faith in them as opposed to those other dead games.

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

Also your comparing 2 completely different games to one another. 2 mobas with premade characters and lanes to fight in. In GW2 where players make there own builds based on there own team comps. Its completely different in so many variations and comparing the 3 games is a bit re*****ed in any sense.

Just looking at GW2 history and PvP current situation. Solo isnt a good idea for the masses. There still isnt any league or PvP leaderboard, absolutely nothing to keep players other then the fact that GW2 has the best PvP system out there for individual success. People come onto this forum to complain about MM as it is.

Ive ran into premade Esl/Ag teams and when im on a team of pugs before the match has even started they cry and act like we have already lost. Having 2 seperate ques where potentially you have very average players going up against elite players because people are split into multiple ques from stronghold/ to solo conquest and team conquest.

Lastly we havent seen any of the rewards coming in the Exp, what if they dont interest the PvP player base? Ive given reason why it didnt work before and why it wont work in the future. Bringing in moba games with huge money tournaments and comparing to this is like comparing are not the same at all in a million different ways and you bringing it up simply forced me to write this monologue since i feel you didnt understand me.

Did you even watch helseths video? He makes a lot of sense. Your claim that spvp didn’t work in the past could be true, but there was no progression at that time; no league. Leagues change EVERYTHING.

i have not seen the vid but your quote of “leagues change everything” is simply not true. The majority of people on my friends list dont even play real matches anymore. They come on do PvP daily room knock out 3-4 of the daily and leave. What is to bring them back?

List of things that need reworked

*match making
*rewards
*diversity ( the ability to bring in a new crowd without alienating them and keeping old Gw2 Pvp players to stay)

• the appropriate fixes to PvP and bugs (seriously im still getting hit by skills under the building at kylo, etc)

These are just basics things that needed looking into. Not including everything they need to bring in such as new maps for conquest, deahth match and stronghold. It would be very disappointing to me if we didnt at least get 3 new conquest maps and 2 new death match maps and 1 new stronghold map.

To top it off you want Anet to just scrap there whole idea on PvP and do what helseth has said? So i ask you this, what is the % in your head they go in and change the PvP system to meet up to the standards in the video you have mentioned?

I don’t know what you mean by diversity but they are rolling out a new system for match making and rewards are fine. The legendary division does change everything. If you do PvP just to get your dailies done you can’t even comment on what PvP needs.

What are you even talking about? WATCH THE VIDEO. What do you mean by scrap the whole idea of PvP? They aren’t “scrapping” anything. Jesus I swear some people just like to talk without putting any reason behind it.

Alright a few things since you just dont seem to understand what im saying. I have now watched the video and it seems that Helseth and I agree on alot of things. A few things we differ is his belief that F2P is huge for the game.

I agree that GW2 is awesome and the PvP is elite in so many aspects but people coming into the game will struggle F2P or not. The Skill level in this game is unlike any other and what i meant about DIVERSITY is the ability for match making to put players in the right matches. What good is F2P and solo que if people of your level are not on. 2 things happen and 1 of which is you play players better then you over and over making you frustrated with the game. The other end is you playing players your better then and they get the very same feeling of being ovewhelmed.

Helseth also touched something which is a negative which is competitive players egos. There is already a ton of players in this game who believe they are better then they really are. This becomes a huge problem when they get stuck in a league simply cause there not good enough and have excuses. Not only did he touch this he only talked about the positive side of things which isnt realistic at all. He also talks about the carrot-goals- end game content for PvP which anet already destroyed. How many people quit the game the second we all became level 80 over night?

Seriously i want to ask you if you read what i wrote? I asked the question on the facts, what has anet done to give you the idea they can make this work? They killed level progression, unique titles and clothing for PvP players, the leader board, and still have unsuccessfully fixed bugs that give dagger necros a huge advantage.

What if people dont come into this game and dont stay? What if old players dont come back? What if the rewards are not to the peoples in this games liking? Seriously did you just missed everything i said. Helseth and I have different views on it but simply stated we agree. The population in this game is too small and i simply stated that anet would have to do alot right starting with fixing the stuff that needs fixed first. As it currently stands solo que still will not work for all the same reasons it didnt work before. Helseth literally said nothing and only has hope for this game since he loves it.

Side not he is funny and does alot of snapping

Agreed.

kdaddy.5431:

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

I asked people before and they said solo queue actually have short queue. It is only group queue people having problem.

I’m kind of confused why everyone is saying different things.

And if queue time is a problem, I’m not sure how we are going to have league system which divide people even more. Unless of course you can have people in different league in the same match. For example have a mix of league 4 and league 5 people in the same match.

I don’t kittening care about reward tracks or skins, I just want a soloq and a working matchmaking system. I’m fed up of being matched against premades as a full solo team or getting teamed up with complete noobs, just so that my MMR averages out the whole team. Trashing the opposite team 500 – 100/200 isn’t fun either.

They already trashed this games PvP by making it kittening casual, why didn’t you guys leave the old rank system and seperate armor? Theres ZERO, literally ZERO possibility to seperate yourself from the fast majority of pve/wvw heroes.

Don’t get your hopes up guys, all they care about is cashing in and the cash flow will always be better when you please the casuals instead of listening to the small pvp community.

laokoko.7403:

kdaddy.5431:

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

I asked people before and they said solo queue actually have short queue. It is only group queue people having problem.

I’m kind of confused why everyone is saying different things.

And if queue time is a problem, I’m not sure how we are going to have league system which divide people even more. Unless of course you can have people in different league in the same match. For example have a mix of league 4 and league 5 people in the same match.

I used to have 3-4 mins solo q time.

kdaddy.5431:

… still have unsuccessfully fixed bugs that give dagger necros a huge advantage.

What advantage to dagger necros have as an unfixed bug?

kdaddy.5431:

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

I seem to remember soloq only having 2-3 min queues – are you sure they weren’t talking about teamq which did have fairly long queues? Also this was no issue anyway because you could play hotjoin or duel friends while waiting for the queue to pop. They need to fix this too – I have already suggested on another thread that they allow queuing from custom arenas but kick you from the queue as soon as you map switch. This is a perfectly reasonable compromise.

bhagwad.4281:

kdaddy.5431:

… still have unsuccessfully fixed bugs that give dagger necros a huge advantage.

What advantage to dagger necros have as an unfixed bug?

They would be in combat attack nothing and spam 1 and gain life force. No one would be there them and it was posted on the forum. I was just stating this as things that went unchanged for a long time. I dont play dagger necro so i couldnt say to what the state of this is but i can check. Currently vamp rune is always bugged with something.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

kdaddy.5431:

A few things here, if you werent here you wouldnt of seen the times for solo que. Many of us had 15+ min solo que times. Which made it so there was no reason for solo que IN GW2.

I seem to remember soloq only having 2-3 min queues – are you sure they weren’t talking about teamq which did have fairly long queues? Also this was no issue anyway because you could play hotjoin or duel friends while waiting for the queue to pop. They need to fix this too – I have already suggested on another thread that they allow queuing from custom arenas but kick you from the queue as soon as you map switch. This is a perfectly reasonable compromise.

No, on my old computer i had many que time picks and yes most of the time i would wvw while on que. I would have a few get up in the 30 min times and i started to yolo que. I wasnt the only one, alright now lets just say im wrong and it had 2-3 min ques ( which we dont even have right now) you would still run into all the probelems i stated earlier.

I mean come on guys why did they get rid of it in the first place? Many people who complain about it probably took some time off from PvP or the game and came back to see it gone. When you get a casual game such as this your not gonna hold people for long periods of time.

In helseth video he said repeatably “theres a chance”, “if anet really gets leagues right” over and over. You cant come out with the EXP and have a solo que when the player base still isnt there. Everyone here talking about solo que are like small children who found a bunch of money and just spent without thinking ohhhh some one will come back for this.

why cant we leave hotm?

• People would que up and it would take to long, go do something else and when que popped they wouldnt accept since they already started a dungeon/fractal/WvW runs/etc

Leaderboard

• the old one showed who the best players were but they never reseted it or gave out prizes for seasons. The 2nd one was all grinding and made older PvP players upset based on having to carry bad players and having to do 5-10 a day to compete.

This is what i meant by revamping the whole thing, anet hasnt came out with anything right in PvP for a very long time. This new PvP is super awesome compared the cele meta we had for so long so i give them that but the solo que posts to me get put on here and no one even addresses the dead bodies on the floor. Everyone is just like yeah i would love solo que and i would love solo que to if it worked. If you could explain to me how it would work with the small community without bringing in dota-LoL to set examples i would love to hear it.

As someone who hated solo queue for various reasons and thought the merged queue would be better, i have to say we need solo queue back.

Not because it was so great, it obviously wasn’t but the new system (that sounded great in theory) is even worse. Mostly because of Arenanet’s matchmaking being completely random.

I’m still not sure how we know there isn’t going to be a Solo Q.

Yes to Solo Q. I hope we get a 2v2 and 3v3 Solo Q one of these days. That would be the best pvp game mode.

The poll result speaks for itself, but I’ll write something anyway. I read some pointless arguments here that need to be debunked.

I also share the idea that this is a team game and it needs to be played in teams, mostly. HOWEVER, team creation in this game has been an enormous and even impossible task for most people. There is absolutely no stimulus for teams to be made in this game REGARDLESS of solo queue being here or not. I’m 100% positive that with it’s removal, we’re seeing even LESS teams being formed than before and this is a fact. Since there is no “go to” place to find teamless players on your skill level here, solo queue was the perfect opportunity to find that kind of people and I’m speaking from experience. If they don’t want to give us an in-game tool or some kind of feature to promote formation of teams, the least we deserve is a soloq ladder with working matchmaking (current MM is NOT working) where we can play and talk to other players close to our level – period.

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Wow. So many things wrong with this post. Not even sure if it is worth it to reply but here goes.

1. Solo queue didn’t die out. It was still popular. ANET chose to remove it. It is very similar to the old 8v8 rooms. Those didn’t die out. ANET chose to force everyone into 5v5.
2. and that makes solo queue not needed why?
3. Yes, it is 5v5. Why should a solo person have to play against premades? Your logic makes no sense.
4. Again, so wrong. There is one dev who comes on here. IF you haven’t noticed, he will post in forum threads ONLY when there is some data to prove that a person is wrong. When a person is right, there is no response. Don’t be biased

style.6173:

kdaddy.5431:

NO, i feel every other week or so someones throws this out there when the facts still are the same.

1- we had solo que and it died for many reasons

2-many people yolo qued

3- this is a team game of 5 vs 5 and no matter what many people will find a reason to why something is broken and its never them.

4- Its already been proven by the many devs who come on here saying you match history is fine. You lost because of the team you were on and the premade you were with. It is amazing that people come on here screaming about unfair match ups and then a dev comes on and shows there past 10 match ups and only one was unfair to them. Seriously how spoiled are the children here?

Wow. So many things wrong with this post. Not even sure if it is worth it to reply but here goes.

1. Solo queue didn’t die out. It was still popular. ANET chose to remove it. It is very similar to the old 8v8 rooms. Those didn’t die out. ANET chose to force everyone into 5v5.
2. and that makes solo queue not needed why?
3. Yes, it is 5v5. Why should a solo person have to play against premades? Your logic makes no sense.
4. Again, so wrong. There is one dev who comes on here. IF you haven’t noticed, he will post in forum threads ONLY when there is some data to prove that a person is wrong. When a person is right, there is no response. Don’t be biased

1-it did die, do you not remember the 20 min que times? It was bad on NA but if you go way back on this forum the Eu scene on solo que was near dead. You can literally look threw the forum posts ohhhh 190 pages back

2- i never said solo wasnt needed from a PvP perspective but that it wont work under the current pvp

3- This was a comment was based off of helseth opinion on competitive gamers saying any excuse to why there not at fault. How many post have people said i have to carry such bad players only to see them be average at best? Ive literally had people quit because they thought the other team was a premade when it was a 2-2-1. Ive had people quit because the other team had 3 eles and we had 1. Ive had people quit cause everyone on the other team ran meta and the guy said the game is broken. Like i said befoer its a 5 vs 5 game and people need to run something they can play effectively. Whether its solo que or team it doesnt change the way alot of people in this game act towards match making.

4- i dont expect it to be fair all the time. Its a game and a competitive one at that. When i was in H.S it wasnt ahhh man that team has Brandon Roy on it we might not even try/ this isnt fair since hes so much better. Thats besides the point, the point was that people always complain. Yes is it a 2 way street, of course. People in this game are being put in unfair situations. My point was its not every match. People come on here screaming about there losing streaks and a dev responds with you were in the premade the majority of time. You were on the team expected to win. I also would like to mention that certain people even on this current dead leader board. There are some individuals running at over 60% win rate and i recall OE who doesnt play anymore playing the most elite players solo queing and still held a 65% win rate.

Everyone is screaming on this post solo que and there defense is what helseth said. In the video he talks about the potential PvP population sky rises. All im saying what if it doesnt. Of course anet can always add a solo que if the PvP scene gets huge but it isnt. I can post for you just on me 7 min+ que times when i solo que and sometimes when im partied up. Ave que will say 3. Noscoc posted on this very forum him solo queing and he got to 20 min que and ave que was 2.30.

Let me end it with just look at the last PVE event. They gave out stuff to do for 4 days but it was based on tagging events. People were punished for actually trying to complete them. Are you seriously willing to say that when the expansion comes out that leagues and the PvP scene stronghold being added that all of sudden Solo que will be a great thing?

I do not want SoloQ. Interesting subject, but this game needs more people combined in teams, communicating, building tactics, improving combos, and exchanging ideas in real time, not just going in PvP solo while listening to music acting all alone thinking you are the best.

Acrisor.8097:

this game needs more people combined in teams, communicating, building tactics, improving combos, and exchanging ideas in real time, not just going in PvP solo while listening to music acting all alone thinking you are the best.

You know you can still play as a team while soloqing right? Do what you would do with a team, just without voip. Also, SoloQ can be a way for people to find others that need a team

Acrisor.8097:

I do not want SoloQ. Interesting subject, but this game needs more people combined in teams, communicating, building tactics, improving combos, and exchanging ideas in real time, not just going in PvP solo while listening to music acting all alone thinking you are the best.

So removal of soloQ end up forcing those soloQ players to form teams? Interesting theory, but I don’t know if it is necessary true.

Yes please bring back solo queue. I think it’s important to remember that the old solo queue did not have the current map selection feature and included the possibility of getting the old awful Skyhammer map and Spirit Watch. I think a lot of people queued team queue just to avoid those maps.

It’s impossible to know what the queue times will be but I’m willing to accept the possibility of longer queue times if it means I get to play Solo Queue again.

kdaddy.5431:

Of course anet can always add a solo que if the PvP scene gets huge but it isnt. I can post for you just on me 7 min+ que times when i solo que and sometimes when im partied up. Ave que will say 3. Noscoc posted on this very forum him solo queing and he got to 20 min que and ave que was 2.30.

Solution is let people queue while they play pve.

kdaddy.5431:

I can post for you just on me 7 min+ que times when i solo que and sometimes when im partied up. Ave que will say 3. Noscoc posted on this very forum him solo queing and he got to 20 min que and ave que was 2.30.

Is it possible your MMR is just too high.

I think obviously queue time have to be the problem. Else it make no sense Anet putting everyone in the same queue. I’m just not sure who or how many people is having queue problem. Since you said avg queue is 2.30 and someone end up having 20 min queue?

Acrisor.8097:

I do not want SoloQ. Interesting subject, but this game needs more people combined in teams, communicating, building tactics, improving combos, and exchanging ideas in real time, not just going in PvP solo while listening to music acting all alone thinking you are the best.

That’s a great fantasy you have there. In reality if it’s “Daily engineer or mesmer winner” you’re gonna end up on a premade of 4 mesmers or 4 engineers while a premade of 1 thief, 2 eles, 1 necros, 1 warrior comes in and eats your lunch.

Adding solo queue is a no brainer for the upcoming expansion. The majority of players will solo queue for league ranks and people who want to team queue will do it via guild teams.

Solo queue NOT being added will be a huge shock.