Guild Wars 2

How about no respawn?

Brilliant!

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How about not having it at all in Arena?
With the map often being 500-0 or 0-500, the impact would be time gain only for everyone.

I like the map. It’s finally a TDM/new game type that’s a change of pace for everyone. It’s not even included in rank matches.
Some awesome changes guys!

try

5 minutes
0 seconds respawn

and respawn away from battle.

for example, if blue team is camping red team spawn, red team members respawns in blue base instead.

i.e. you will respawn away from the battle.

hey Justin. what makes the map not competitive is that spawn camping is possible and rampant! have you thought about adding multiple spawn points to the map?

it’s a fun map if youre with a team. consider adding more DM maps.

mistsim.2748:

hey Justin. what makes the map not competitive is that spawn camping is possible and rampant! have you thought about adding multiple spawn points to the map?

it’s a fun map if youre with a team. consider adding more DM maps.

yup, multiple spawn points will help.

giving some kind of stealth / protection to respawned players may help as well perhaps.

Justin ODell.9517:

mistsim.2748:

hey Justin. what makes the map not competitive is that spawn camping is possible and rampant! have you thought about adding multiple spawn points to the map?

it’s a fun map if youre with a team. consider adding more DM maps.

I joked with Hugh that we should put a big burning oil siege at the main exit.

We’re looking into serious ways to improve things, but it isn’t as high of a priority as the new game mode.

=O

Justin ODell.9517:

mistsim.2748:

hey Justin. what makes the map not competitive is that spawn camping is possible and rampant! have you thought about adding multiple spawn points to the map?

it’s a fun map if youre with a team. consider adding more DM maps.

I joked with Hugh that we should put a big burning oil siege at the main exit.

We’re looking into serious ways to improve things, but it isn’t as high of a priority as the new game mode.

lol Justin your going to spark hysteria my friend. Thanks for being so active on the forums! We all really appreciate it!

Remember fetid river from gw1? Had a great mechanic where a priest npc would res the whole team at the same time unless the enemy made a push to kill it.

The team that lost the first team fight was not immediately out of it. It allowed for some great comebacks.

It’s going to be a lot harder in balancing both conquest and death match. Good luck if y’all decide to add it permanently.

I personally don’t like courtyard. I feel DM has its place as a quick and dirty team-fight pick-up match type game mode, but it being mixed in with the other maps is getting increasingly annoying.
While I appreciate and think the current “vote on the map you want from this pool of 3” system is great, I unavoidably end up on court yard occasionally and can’t help but feel like I’m wasting my time on it (do to my personal dislike of it).
While trying to make it more competitive is great (though I’m doubtful 5v5 deathmatch with no objectives of any sort will grow to be any kind of interesting), it is a different game mode and pooling it in with the conquest maps puts players in an awkward position.
Is there any chance it can be moved to its own separate queue, for those who actually want to play this(DM) game mode? Or could we at least get a way to “downvote” maps? Because when I see courtyard, it’s immediately the case that I will automatically prefer the other two maps, regardless of what they are. In such a case, being able to use my vote on reducing a map would be much more effective.

Also, having 2 exits from your base would be great. The spawn camping can be really painful.

Just put 5 canons at spawn to avoid camping (with limited range)

Can you make this map available for guilds to challenge each other?

Kicast.1459:

Just put 5 canons at spawn to avoid camping (with limited range)

Or make it successive real deatmatchs…no respawn as long as one guy still lives in each team…once a team is defeated…respawn all with 50 pts to victorious team…repeat.

This would work if you finally accept to nerf spammy perma stealth (which is mandatory in tdm … so if you want it competitive…you will have to do it in the end)

Justin ODell.9517:

[…] but it isn’t as high of a priority as the new game mode.

There is a new game mode ?!

Kicast.1459:

Just put 5 canons at spawn to avoid camping (with limited range)

Which can also lead to spawn hugging.

Which happens right now. Most of my Courtyard matches wins are because of it. We wait for the enemy to come in and destroy them.

Anyways Spawn camping has never been a problem. The lack of knowing how to avoid spawn camping is. To avoid spawn camping, use another entrance.

Static.2853:

Justin ODell.9517:

[…] but it isn’t as high of a priority as the new game mode.

There is a new game mode ?!

yes …coming soon…let’s cross fingers ;-)

Seriously it has been for more than 1 year that new mode is coming…you’d better not count too much on it and play with what you have now.

Promises only hold those who believe in them.

What I want to know is why TDM is in the same queue as Conquest.

TainoFuerte.8136:

What I want to know is why TDM is in the same queue as Conquest.

I agree, remove Conquest from que.

Justin ODell.9517:

mistsim.2748:

hey Justin. what makes the map not competitive is that spawn camping is possible and rampant! have you thought about adding multiple spawn points to the map?

it’s a fun map if youre with a team. consider adding more DM maps.

I joked with Hugh that we should put a big burning oil siege at the main exit.

We’re looking into serious ways to improve things, but it isn’t as high of a priority as the new game mode.

How about adding portals that dump you in random locations on the map. Inconvenient for the ones seeking to stick toghether, but it would eliminate the ability to spawn camp

Justin ODell.9517:

As some of you may have found by now, we’re shifting the rules for Courtyard a bit in hopes it improves the playing experience.

We’ve changed respawn time to 5 seconds, and the total time limit to 8 minutes.

Please let me know if that makes the map more competitive.

Also, as a reminder, this map, along with Skyhammer and Spirit Watch, will not be available during the beta ladder in ranked arena. These maps will still be available in unranked arena.

With a five second re-spawn, I believe this will only increase the gap between the two teams, especially amongst the solo-que players.

If there are five seconds between each re-spawn and the opposing team kills each player within 10 second intervals, the team will now be spread thin and the opposing team will now have 5 vs. 1 or 2.

Currently if the team dies >10 apart they will be able to regroup quickly, though it hasn’t historically improved the odds the team making a comeback.

I believe the 5 second re-spawn should only be in place if the 8 minutes is not a true value since the outcome of a match on Courtyard is generally determined fairly quickly.

Without proper synergy and team composition on this map, it’s quickly lopsided.

Justin, if you want to improve Courtyard you will have to change Stealth.

The best strategy is to stealth, and restealth till your opponents arent stealthed anymore and just instantkill 1-2 ppl. With just 1 pistol offhand thief its possible to restealth infinitely with almost any setup (5ppl running together have enough blasts).
If both Teams use this optimal strategy the game would end 0-0 90% of the time.
It isn’t/wasn’t happening right now, because noone plays this map seriously enough, it’s either pugs without coordination or just4fun zerging with groups, but since you used the word “competitively” I just wanted to let you know of this.

I suggest either permanent revealed on everyone, revealed even if you don’t hit anything while stealthed, or something similar. Each option obviously has downsides like indirectly nerfing thief and those changes would need to be exclusive to the Courtyard map.

Apart from that you’ll probably want to force regroups with pug groups, aka turn deathmatch into no respawn and then multiple rounds and a Best Of X System including a change to deal with e.g. a s/d thief running around, delaying the match end after his teammates died (something like a shorter round timer as soon as its 3v2 or 3v1 and auto win for the team with more people at the end of the timer).

Furthermore I don’t think this whole thing works with 5v5, because the whole downstate mechanic becomes obsolet with 5 ppl cleaving. If possible a 3v3 Queue would probably be best, together with the other changes.

I’m available for follow up questions.

Personally I’d rather deathmatch be a 5v5 perma death with 5 minute max time. It would be quick matches and a great test ground for actually implementing arena style game mode in the future, should it be a success ( Yes I’m well aware conquest would remain the competitive gamemode for balancing purposes etc )

Best map yet. I hope you have more deathmatch maps coming soon.

I’d rather have it as GW2 Random Arenas, really. You die – You won’t ress until somebody uses a ressing skill.

Justin ODell.9517:

mistsim.2748:

hey Justin. what makes the map not competitive is that spawn camping is possible and rampant! have you thought about adding multiple spawn points to the map?

it’s a fun map if youre with a team. consider adding more DM maps.

I joked with Hugh that we should put a big burning oil siege at the main exit.

We’re looking into serious ways to improve things, but it isn’t as high of a priority as the new game mode.

MUCH better. Thanks. I didn’t have to sit in the base long my last couple matches but does it still kick you out after so many seconds? If so I still suggest it only Kick, once all 5 members are in spawn for 10 (15) seconds. If they are letting 2 people bleed out the rest of us want to wait for them to die and re spawn. Instead, 3 of us get kicked out and slaughtered.

Sublimatio.6981:

I’d rather have it as GW2 Random Arenas, really. You die – You won’t ress until somebody uses a ressing skill.

I think you mean GW1?

I rather liked GW1 RA. However this game doesn’t have res signets and the hard resses are rather limited (Banner, Elixir, etc.).

Anyways if you remove respawns you will just end up with everyone playing a bunker build for this map.

GOSU.9574:

Sublimatio.6981:

I’d rather have it as GW2 Random Arenas, really. You die – You won’t ress until somebody uses a ressing skill.

I think you mean GW1?

I rather liked GW1 RA. However this game doesn’t have res signets and the hard resses are rather limited (Banner, Elixir, etc.).

Anyways if you remove respawns you will just end up with everyone playing a bunker build for this map.

I don’t think adding Res Signets for ‘old new’ game mode would be much effort for Anet

Lopez.7369:

You guys should really consider making each kill worth 100 points and finding a way to ensure everyone gets points for participation.

Otherwise, these changes might be okay. But it kind of encourages the worst aspect of the map, which is respawn zergs.

Exactly.

The 100pt aka 5x kills for win is just match length.

But the total snowballing unbalance, to the point that almost always a whole team goes home empty handed – again whole team with zerooo – is just wow. It definetly needs something that encourages breaking away from zerg

Morwath.9817:

GOSU.9574:

Sublimatio.6981:

I’d rather have it as GW2 Random Arenas, really. You die – You won’t ress until somebody uses a ressing skill.

I think you mean GW1?

I rather liked GW1 RA. However this game doesn’t have res signets and the hard resses are rather limited (Banner, Elixir, etc.).

Anyways if you remove respawns you will just end up with everyone playing a bunker build for this map.

I don’t think adding Res Signets for ‘old new’ game mode would be much effort for Anet

Then I would have to reqeust Monks return. Don’t see that happening either.

@Justin

Is it possible to make the spawn areas neutral after match start?

• When a player dies they spawn at the base farthest from where they died
• The “nudge” effect stays in place to remove players from spawn areas
• Players can fight in the spawn areas, but will be nudged out, possibly with a buff that reduces damage players deal while in that area by 50%

-or-

Add 2-3 additional neutral spawn areas (north and south 1-2 split) splitting respawning players into areas that flank the location they died.

Zietlogik.6208:

@Justin

Is it possible to make the spawn areas neutral after match start?

• When a player dies they spawn at the base farthest from where they died
• The “nudge” effect stays in place to remove players from spawn areas
• Players can fight in the spawn areas, but will be nudged out, possibly with a buff that reduces damage players deal while in that area by 50%

-or-

Add 2-3 additional neutral spawn areas (north and south 1-2 split) splitting respawning players into areas that flank the location they died.

having 2 fixed spawning locations will only work in annihilation mode, just like in guild wars 1 random arenas and team arenas. because the killed players do not respawn.

for team death match modes where the dead respawns, the spawn points needs to be away from the current battle.

just like in chivalry team death match, the players always respawn away from the battle. well, another reason is that the maps in chivalry are quite huge and players do not have various speed boosters and gap closers.

how about a totally separate queue for courtyard?

tsubus.8761:

how about a totally separate queue for courtyard?

They are careful with separating queues, as it creates population issues. Even LoL doesn’t flood the game with gamemodes, instead they enable them temporarily.
But indeed, the situation with CY is suboptimal. Build templates might help solve the issue a bit, because you can change your builds quickly.

Am I the only one that misses courtyard and sky hammer on ranked?!
Also thanks Justin for being so active on the forums!