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Posted by: Narkodx.1472

Narkodx.1472

It really is that simple

All this crying about balance yet you have these options just pick one of the meta builds- Rev/Reaper/Tempest/Scrapper/Druid/DH – If you are really bad I suggest DH

Don’t like the meta builds because they are “lame” or “cheesy” better get used to losing

OR

Make a team and coordinate so that you can play your special snowflake Necro Minion Healer build and have a chance at winning with superior rotations and coordination

Don’t wanna make a team? Don’t wanna use a meta build? Stick to unranked and let the big boys who care about winning play in ranked

It is really that simple

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

+1, quite honestly this guy is the real deal, this how life works…there is no space for idealists , become a wolf yourself..or get devoured by them as a sheep

Well said my friend..well said ^^

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Posted by: Zaiden.7832

Zaiden.7832

Thank you.

I dont know how people with random build expect to win. There is a reason why certain builds (classes) are meta, why they are good.

In games like League of Legends you see the same, there are around 150 champions yet you will only see 30? being played in competitive games.

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

I need to farm with friends to get into the 4th division ASAP. I’ve had a horrible experience with yolo queueing yesterday. I could have sworn my teammates were trolling with their lack of game sense. And don’t even get me started on the thief on my team who hid behind mid on Forest the whole time for no reason…

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Posted by: SamTheGuardian.2938

SamTheGuardian.2938

It really is that simple

All this crying about balance yet you have these options just pick one of the meta builds- Rev/Reaper/Tempest/Scrapper/Druid/DH – If you are really bad I suggest DH

Don’t like the meta builds because they are “lame” or “cheesy” better get used to losing

OR

Make a team and coordinate so that you can play your special snowflake Necro Minion Healer build and have a chance at winning with superior rotations and coordination

Don’t wanna make a team? Don’t wanna use a meta build? Stick to unranked and let the big boys who care about winning play in ranked

It is really that simple

In general agree with the “meta is meta for a reason, play it or hurt yourself and your team” philosophy. But asking players to do that is only part of the story.

Since launch of core game in 2012, we’ve seen balancing that’s made certain meta builds obsolete and gave way for new pvp meta builds, once things stabilized in 2015 finally the sPvP side of the game started growing because of that balance…. Now with HoT, those who purchased GW2 core game or recently joined on a free account can no longer compete in PvP unless they 1.) Buy HoT and 2.) Create an Elite Spec meta build. Those who invested a lot of time playing a specific meta build or set of meta builds no longer have the option to simply tweak those builds. It’s now 100% about the HoT Elite Specs and those specs are not balanced well at all. We have a meta that is dominated by codi/interrupt. When a competitive game only allows for a few play styles and the mechanics come down to the build winning over skill winning then it’s safe to say it’s broken. GW2 sPvP is broken.

So sure, go grab a sPvP HoT meta build if you want to be competitive, but don’t dare solo queue or you’ll be placed in teams with players who are running former meta builds or their own concoctions. This solo queue really is just mucking up ranked. Because you have mediocre pre-made teams paired with mismatched pugs that stand no chance at all. The pre-made gets the win, but the victory was really handed to them on a plate. These things matter a great deal for a game expected to be taken serious enough for ESL so they can’t be ignored. The entire kitten foundation of sPvP is a shattered mess right now. That is something worth complaining about.

It’s a much bigger problem than “oh I can’t win a match” people here are looking at things on a higher level.

The bottom line is they introduced this grand new League system and decided to open it up to solo queue players who don’t really stand any chance. There are no good LFG tools for putting togeather a PvP team. I can’t see my team mates buid, I can’t see their ranked win/loss record, the tools aren’t there to support LFG. It’s all trust based so what you have are a small group of teams really being competitive and most everyone else being steam rolled. It’s ridiculous that those who loved playing certain classes now only have the choice to play a different class to be competitive. That’s is unacceptable, horrible design. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.

Your stance is “the game is designed this way… I don’t care if it’s broken… Learn what works and roll with it”. Where as the community is asking ArenaNet to just make the product better. Either you’re the type of person who tries to rally for change or the type that goes with the flow and feels any effort to try to get change to happen is pointless. I’ll have you know it was this forum community that has helped ArenaNet see where improvements could be made. This “Q.Q” post need to happen to invoke that change.

Sure some are truly Q.Q and should be ignored, but most are not that way this time around.

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Posted by: Entenkommando.5208

Entenkommando.5208

So you want to tell me that in a game with 9 classes, each having 6 trait lines, many different skills and 7-8 different weapons I am forced to play one of 5 or 6 given builds to be able to enjoy the game…no thanks.

You are the one who lacks realism.

Only taking the fact that some classes are simply USELESS in one entire gamemode is completely unacceptable.

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Posted by: Gabriell.4856

Gabriell.4856

It really is that simple

All this crying about balance yet you have these options just pick one of the meta builds- Rev/Reaper/Tempest/Scrapper/Druid/DH – If you are really bad I suggest DH

Don’t like the meta builds because they are “lame” or “cheesy” better get used to losing

OR

Make a team and coordinate so that you can play your special snowflake Necro Minion Healer build and have a chance at winning with superior rotations and coordination

Don’t wanna make a team? Don’t wanna use a meta build? Stick to unranked and let the big boys who care about winning play in ranked

It is really that simple

Maybe that is true for hardcore PvPers but what about folks that play all 3 game modes; WvW, PvE, and PvP? I created a thief at launch, leveled it to 80, got nice gears/skins, did the personal and living story, etc…and I have an attachment to that character because this is an MMORPG not Counterstrike….

I want my character (whatever class he/she may be) to be effective in all game modes.

So no…it’s not that simple.

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Posted by: alain.1659

alain.1659

This is not LoL or dota. People paid for this game. This is a product and customers have every right to demand a fix. If you want to be a wolf, fight for your rights. Dont let others step on you.

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

It really is that simple

All this crying about balance yet you have these options just pick one of the meta builds- Rev/Reaper/Tempest/Scrapper/Druid/DH – If you are really bad I suggest DH

Don’t like the meta builds because they are “lame” or “cheesy” better get used to losing

OR

Make a team and coordinate so that you can play your special snowflake Necro Minion Healer build and have a chance at winning with superior rotations and coordination

Don’t wanna make a team? Don’t wanna use a meta build? Stick to unranked and let the big boys who care about winning play in ranked

It is really that simple

Maybe that is true for hardcore PvPers but what about folks that play all 3 game modes; WvW, PvE, and PvP? I created a thief at launch, leveled it to 80, got nice gears/skins, did the personal and living story, etc…and I have an attachment to that character because this is an MMORPG not Counterstrike….

I want my character (whatever class he/she may be) to be effective in all game modes.

So no…it’s not that simple.

Thief still does work if you are really good. Caed put on a kitten show this week, and toker was beating down revs 1v1. So you can play a thief if you are extremely good.

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Posted by: Narkodx.1472

Narkodx.1472

In the three year history of this games pvp there has not been more than 5-6 builds that were superior for conquest – This is actually balanced – There was never a time when you did not have OPTIONS – You just chose not to use the options given to you

People still believe that one day there will be 20+ builds that will be viable?

Do you honestly believe that one day they will make your special snow flake build viable? Do you really believe that EVERY traitline for EVERY class will be equal and competitive?

WAKE UP

Do you really believe that an MMO should cater to people whom only want to play solo in a team based conquest game mode? That’s like asking for Raids to be soloable (Which someone is actually asking for lol)

You guys keep up the good fight then

I choose to deal with the cards that were dealt to me and not cry and try and get new cards – The meta changes the game changes life changes

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Posted by: brannigan.9831

brannigan.9831

No kitten sherlock. Its still lame by a-net. I’ll continue to complain though in hopes A-net has a little integrity and eventually does what I consider the right thing which is to not invalidate 3 years of the game with an expansion and do some kind of balancing. As for making teams or die thats a bad philosophy on A-nets part I understand pushing op expansion builds to move units but trying to force people into groups when they do want to in a game with a mediocre pvp base is STOOPID and I am not a solo qeueue fan I would continue to queue for group if it was allowed even solo.

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Posted by: Timston.1976

Timston.1976

You guys are going to pretend Chrono isn’t meta?

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Posted by: nearlight.3064

nearlight.3064

I often make my own builds since I actually have the mechanically depth and understanding to do so with my main, necromancer, while builds I play on other classes end up being closer to the meta since I don’t have as vast of knowledge on those other classes.

But still I feel as though this meta superiority complex is foolish unless you’re a new player. Look at so many of the proleague players. Lots them are playing “snowflakes” like staff or dd tempest over df, playing wanderer’s durability reaper or cele builds on EU that don’t take the kittenty signet heal.

The fact is that rotations and individual mechanical depth and teamwork and communications have far more impact on the outcome of a match than the individual builds you run as long as those builds aren’t intrinsically bad. When you’ve been playing as long as I have you realize what non meta builds on our main work and don’t work.

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Posted by: Israel.7056

Israel.7056

Do you really believe that an MMO should cater to people whom only want to play solo in a team based conquest game mode?

Yes. Solo queue was still a team based game the teams were just randomly put together from a pool of solo players.

That’s like asking for Raids to be soloable.

No it isn’t. The equivalent would be asking for a random dungeon/raid queue.

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Posted by: Narkodx.1472

Narkodx.1472

You guys are going to pretend Chrono isn’t meta?

It most definitely is I simply forgot about them because I can’t play Mesmer well

Honestly even Thief can work if you are an exceptional player mechanically and are on top of your rotations/decaps

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Posted by: Narkodx.1472

Narkodx.1472

I often make my own builds since I actually have the mechanically depth and understanding to do so with my main, necromancer, while builds I play on other classes end up being closer to the meta since I don’t have as vast of knowledge on those other classes.

But still I feel as though this meta superiority complex is foolish unless you’re a new player. Look at so many of the proleague players. Lots them are playing “snowflakes” like staff or dd tempest over df, playing wanderer’s durability reaper or cele builds on EU that don’t take the kittenty signet heal.

The fact is that rotations and individual mechanical depth and teamwork and communications have far more impact on the outcome of a match than the individual builds you run as long as those builds aren’t intrinsically bad. When you’ve been playing as long as I have you realize what non meta builds on our main work and don’t work.

You are 100% correct – Conquest matches are mostly decided by rotations and teamwork

Meta builds are NOT necessary but lets be honest here – most people aren’t good enough to run whatever they want

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Posted by: Narkodx.1472

Narkodx.1472

Do you really believe that an MMO should cater to people whom only want to play solo in a team based conquest game mode?

Yes. Solo queue was still a team based game the teams were just randomly put together from a pool of solo players.

That’s like asking for Raids to be soloable.

No it isn’t.

Keep waiting for solo queue to come back

Maybe three years

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Posted by: Dahkeus.8243

Dahkeus.8243

Yea, I got nothing against playing meta builds, particularly with regards to being competitive. Historically, in the past 3 years I’ve played, I’ve payed attention to what works and played based on that.

But the selection of meta builds right now is pretty terrible. There’s little diversity in role and it’s really just a handful of viable builds that all play a tanky-yet-high-damage hybrid bruiser build. Additionally, two classes (thief and warrior) are really in such a bad spot, they just don’t even fit in the meta anywhere at all.

It’s nice to see Rangers viable…even though it’s through them playing their new healer specialization, which is completely different than any other PvP build they’ve ever had before.

I’ll stick to either unranked or will avoid PvP altogether until there’s a balance patch that actually shakes things up. Considering the problems that are popping up with MMR punishing good players from progressing in leagues, it sounds like this is probably for the best until they get that stuff worked out anyways.

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Posted by: Rednik.3809

Rednik.3809

It really is that simple

All this crying about balance yet you have these options just pick one of the meta builds- Rev/Reaper/Tempest/Scrapper/Druid/DH – If you are really bad I suggest DH

Don’t like the meta builds because they are “lame” or “cheesy” better get used to losing

OR

Make a team and coordinate so that you can play your special snowflake Necro Minion Healer build and have a chance at winning with superior rotations and coordination

Don’t wanna make a team? Don’t wanna use a meta build? Stick to unranked and let the big boys who care about winning play in ranked

It is really that simple

Or better, stop pvping at all. Let “big guys” enjoy their 20m queue and same faces again and again.
But then anet will delete custom servers and hotjoin in last desperate attempt to save “esports”. Because, you know, 5% of pvp population are important enough to kill game mode for everyone else, right?

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Posted by: Israel.7056

Israel.7056

Keep waiting for solo queue to come back

Maybe three years

The old solo queue was so much fun that I keep sticking with this game just hoping that I’ll get to have that much fun again. The old solo queue didn’t even have the match ready or map selection features or the new skyhammer and it was still the most fun I’ve ever had with this game. So maybe it will take three years I don’t care it will be worth it.

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Posted by: Serious Thought.5394

Serious Thought.5394

What if my off meta class, off meta build, and off meta playstyle work? Should I roll meta?

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Posted by: Soa Cirri.6012

Soa Cirri.6012

there is no space for idealists , become a wolf yourself..or get devoured by them as a sheep

Woah, I didn’t know you were still alive, Ayn Rand.

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Posted by: Agemnon.4608

Agemnon.4608

“That’s like asking for Raids to be soloable (Which someone is actually asking for lol)”

I don’t want them soloable per se but because they assume 10 people are going at it if I can clear it by myself then I’ve reached an exceptional level of skill since I’d be doing the job of 10 people. I want to be that skilled so I wanna complete a raid without armor to really tighten the timings needed to dodge or get specific skills off.

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Posted by: LordOtto.2650

LordOtto.2650

So there is a DH meta?! Don’t make me laugh! Somebody just pings out a build/video, and becomes meta?! And to write down this…“If you are really bad I suggest DH”, then why is that with my DH I am the first every time in my group…?! I think you never played Guardian/DH, you just experimented with it … it is a big difference!
You are a winnie..?!, because some ppl join your arena ranked team and loose?! I think that’s why you wrote this garbage…
Everyone says “meta”, ping that kitten meta build out, because there is no DH meta. ( You have to be specific with sigils, runes, traits, weapons, skills. Yes, some are copying from inside battles, but it is not the same, I can still beat a DH, who thinks he has a meta, because he doesn’t know really anything, only copy/paste, like you?!

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

So there is a DH meta?! Don’t make me laugh! Somebody just pings out a build/video, and becomes meta?! And to write down this…“If you are really bad I suggest DH”, then why is that with my DH I am the first every time in my group…?! I think you never played Guardian/DH, you just experimented with it … it is a big difference!
You are a winnie..?!, because some ppl join your arena ranked team and loose?! I think that’s why you wrote this garbage…
Everyone says “meta”, ping that kitten meta build out, because there is no DH meta. ( You have to be specific with sigils, runes, traits, weapons, skills. Yes, some are copying from inside battles, but it is not the same, I can still beat a DH, who thinks he has a meta, because he doesn’t know really anything, only copy/paste, like you?!

I think I understand what you are trying to say…

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Posted by: Timston.1976

Timston.1976

Raids? Wtf is a raid, like a panty raid? This is pvp forum idk wat this raid you speak of is

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