Today several players assumed, after I defeated them, I was using the trait Prismatic Understanding. I was playing Mesmer, so far the observation was correct, but there was no PU involved, because I don’t like that trait.
If you guys make assertions, please be sure that the premise of your conclusions are actually true.
So for all here, who blame PU for something. Please read up what PU actually does and how you can tell your opponent actually has the trait equipped.
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Ok.. im gonna say it again. Stop the complaining & pointing fingers at the mesmer. The meta has changed. Squishy high power damage builds is gone. Unless you hit first. you need to actually learn some skill’s & actually fight tuffer opponents that wont go down on the first few hits.
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
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Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issue
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issue
^This guy doesn’t know what power lock does.
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issue
Uhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issueUhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
Stability/stun break is your friend. All classes have access to it.
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issueUhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
So you get stunned, and magically and instantly, before you can use your stun break 3 clones pop up, the mesmers gets in melee range and you go from 15k/17k up to nothing. All of that happens, before you can use a utility to stun break.
Sorry have you actually used a stun break before?
my statement still stands. If you are having problems now, you had problems before, and you still haven’t learned how to play against it.
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
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^Says the thief player (also plays*)
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issueUhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
Stability/stun break is your friend. All classes have access to it.
How often can your usual build stunbreak in a single minute? My money is on twice. I play medi guard mainly and am currently running virtues along with the usual valor traits. I have CoP and VoC to break stuns/apply stab. Not counting JI because I’ve already burned it initiating (I’m probably dead if the mesmers catches me and +1s me in the middle of a fight).
What do I, the guardian, have?
Two stunbreaks and about <5 seconds of stability (that the mesmers can still strip iirc). Of course, I never forget to follow up with a block right after (usually shelter if the timing is right).
What does the mesmers have to counteract this?
A horrid amount of stealth (nearly puts d/p thief to shame). Three stuns that the mesmers can use back to back. One is a shatter that they can cast alone (they’ll usually bring up all of their clones, stealth, daze shatter which becomes a stun, and then follow up with the mindwrack). The other two come from a mantra they can cast freely thanks to the ridiculous amounts of stealth that they have.
This is my experience as a guardian. What on earth do you think warriors or eles have to go through? What about rangers? People were crying about shoutbow and d/d, but neglect to mention that kitten like this exists forcing people to run cheap builds to face bullkitten builds.
Honestly, I don’t know what mesmers you people have run into, but I’ve certainly seen some kitten. I’m also a good guardian ankitten ot afraid to back up my claim if y’all ever want to duel/pug me in game.
I am not sure how you can defend the current Mesmer lockdown/shatter build. Its clearly overpowered and to pretend otherwise is just laughable. That mesmer build, the engi burning build, thief dmg in general, guard burns – I am pretty sure all of these are gonna get nerfed in the near future. I am currently having fun on my engi with cheese burn stacking builds but I wont try and pretend that its not insane OP.
I like how all mesmers are now telling everyone learn to play, prior to patch they were crying how underpowered they were but that wasn’t l2p issue? I don’t have a problem with mesmers being buffed, I have a problem with mesmers being buffed to godmode and then telling everyone to l2p without even considering certain stuff about their class could be way too strong.
Deranged poltergeists. Lol.
Edit: I also do not understand the point of this thread, maybe tell the people that accused you of being PU instead of writing on forums?
I like how all mesmers are now telling everyone learn to play, prior to patch they were crying how underpowered they were but that wasn’t l2p issue? I don’t have a problem with mesmers being buffed, I have a problem with mesmers being buffed to godmode and then telling everyone to l2p without even considering certain stuff about their class could be way too strong.
Deranged poltergeists. Lol.
Edit: I also do not understand the point of this thread, maybe tell the people that accused you of being PU instead of writing on forums?
But it is a learn to play issue because PvP was overhualed a few days ago.
Have you come to that conclusion after extensive testing fighting tournament grade teams with good comp and meta builds?
Oh wait, the meta hasn’t even started to form yet for this recent balancing changes.
Warrior – Meta build not defined yet
Thief – Meta build not defined yet
Mesmer – Meta build not defined yet
Ranger – Meta build not defined yet
Ele – Meta build not defined yet
Engi – Meta build not defined yet
Revanant – Meta build not defined yet
Guardian – Meta build not defined yet
Necro – Meta build not defined yet
Hell, we don’t know all of the elite specs and they aren’t even released it yet.
So please, lets calm down and go have some fun and wait for the meta to settle.
I don’t get all these mesmer hate yet everyone is fine with a thief who shadow step/steal hit you with basilisk and burst you while you are stunned. WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?
I like how all mesmers are now telling everyone learn to play, prior to patch they were crying how underpowered they were but that wasn’t l2p issue? I don’t have a problem with mesmers being buffed, I have a problem with mesmers being buffed to godmode and then telling everyone to l2p without even considering certain stuff about their class could be way too strong.
Deranged poltergeists. Lol.
Edit: I also do not understand the point of this thread, maybe tell the people that accused you of being PU instead of writing on forums?
But it is a learn to play issue because PvP was overhualed a few days ago.
Have you come to that conclusion after extensive testing fighting tournament grade teams with good comp and meta builds?
Oh wait, the meta hasn’t even started to form yet for this recent balancing changes.
Warrior – Meta build not defined yet
Thief – Meta build not defined yet
Mesmer – Meta build not defined yet
Ranger – Meta build not defined yet
Ele – Meta build not defined yet
Engi – Meta build not defined yet
Revanant – Meta build not defined yet
Guardian – Meta build not defined yet
Necro – Meta build not defined yet
Hell, we don’t know all of the elite specs and they aren’t even released it yet.
So please, lets calm down and go have some fun and wait for the meta to settle.
I don’t think you quite understand the difference between meta builds and builds that are too powerful.
Uhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
So you get stunned, and magically and instantly, before you can use your stun break 3 clones pop up, the mesmers gets in melee range and you go from 15k/17k up to nothing. All of that happens, before you can use a utility to stun break.
Sorry have you actually used a stun break before?
my statement still stands. If you are having problems now, you had problems before, and you still haven’t learned how to play against it.
The first thing that happens is you activate a skill then the mesmer interrupts it with power lock. This is followed by damage from power block, 1 sec stun and 2 sec immobilize, a stun break won’t save you. Then the mesmer activates mirror blade and teleports into melee range, this strikes 3 times giving the mesmer might and you vulnerability(at this point the mesmer has at least 14 stacks of might and you have 17 vulnerability). There’s at least 1 clone from mirror blade, shatter on yourself and the clone and use mind stab. This is the basic spike you’re seeing so often that has a low cooldown.
I don’t get all these mesmer hate yet everyone is fine with a thief who shadow step/steal hit you with basilisk and burst you while you are stunned. WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?
It’s only the 3rd day after the patch, mesmer has taken the lead in abilities. Eventually people will see how strong thieves are. The backstab burst got more powerful too.(also, this is a mesmer thread)
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Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
You know as opposed to thieves who can ignore LoS with no set up besides the stealth… or engies who nade your face from stealth. Both of which achieve greater damage quicker…
But it’s ok, clones OP I guess.
I don’t get all these mesmer hate yet everyone is fine with a thief who shadow step/steal hit you with basilisk and burst you while you are stunned. WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?
Oh no, no one is saying that thieves are fine. This is just a L2P thread with mesmers in mind. All of my thief salt is being saved up for another time.
What the…
I was only saying: Learn what your opponent actually does. It is funny that I don’t use PU and people still claim I did. This was my point. A misconception that might target the wrong trait. Although I personally find PU too strong, this is not the point of this thread.
What the…
I was only saying: Learn what your opponent actually does. It is funny that I don’t use PU and people still claim I did. This was my point. A misconception that might target the wrong trait. Although I personally find PU too strong, this is not the point of this thread.
Yeah we read your point on all the threads you posted on PU. Nice try to discredit it. but you got burned. Nice attempt on trolling mesmers tho.
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
So there is this new profession called thief
HAVEWEHURDUVIT
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issueUhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
Stability/stun break is your friend. All classes have access to it.
Stability’s duration is too low, most players can just out stealth the stability.
Only real option is equipping 3 stun-breaks. 3 stun-breaks, is that appealing to you? Is it even viable?
And if this does become the meta, 3 stun-breaks aren’t gonna do anything against 2+ players running it because it became meta.
I personally believe the nerf to vigor combined with explosive mesmers was a step backward.
I am willing to play cheap until it’s fixed.
at least people don’t complain about thieves so much anymore
i wonder if mesmers will get hit by the same nerf bat for 2 years straight :>
Learn to read instant bursts from invisible targets that can stun you three times in a row while teleporting around like deranged poltergeists. Such a l2p issue, amirite?
It’s not instant though. You do know you can see clones run towards you right…..you can dodge shatter just like you could prepatch. Its nothing new.
If you are having problems now , chances are you were having a problem with mesmers before, and that does make it a L2P issueUhm, you can dodge while stunned? This is news to me. I really need to read up on those patch notes and get good.
Stability/stun break is your friend. All classes have access to it.
Still waiting for that 5s internal cooldown kapap
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