Guild Wars 2

https://www.twitch.tv/xkratosz/v/95446804

No dodges needed XD

Joking aside. The people who said DH is OP just need to l2p tbh. The class is balance Kappa

Before someone said “But you’re losing”; We comeback on that game on 400pts deficit with my duoQ buddy on meme Viper Necro and me on meme mesmer against 2 DHs. So yeah, just l2p Jebaited

Full match highlight: https://www.twitch.tv/xkratosz/v/95447784

Bonus: 4HP Duel comeback https://www.twitch.tv/xkratosz/v/95447517

P.S: Just kidding I’m a meme don’t lynch me XD

Ecks dee

you just posted a 2 v 1, and you are proud? I guess, this is one of your best highlight. This is why you post it.
I am so sad for you…..

It is nice attempt to advertise your stream.
But I am sorry to say the level you are showing out there is not worth my time.

I think you guys are misunderstanding him. I watched his stream and he is very decent at multiclassing. I think he is trying to say that the players who complained about DH being OP just need to learn to dodge. Just worded it in a weird way. I watched the full highlight of that match and he did carry with his rotations on mesmer. He is just messing around I think, if yall want an idication of real gameplay watch his rev highlights.

Tatsuya.9071:

I think you guys are misunderstanding him. I watched his stream and he is very decent at multiclassing. I think he is trying to say that the players who complained about DH being OP just need to learn to dodge. Just worded it in a weird way. I watched the full highlight of that match and he did carry with his rotations on mesmer. He is just messing around I think, if yall want an idication of real gameplay watch his rev highlights.

People that want DH nerfed are people that want to win w/o effort.

traps might be a bit to disruptive, but the CD can be fixed, since traps have better CD than spirit weapons, that is a thing that needs a fix.

Make traps enter in CD only when hitted or give a time limit and then enter in CD, reduce healing from heal trap.

now that there ending premades, you guy’s will have the honor of watching 4 team members charge headlong into traps constantly. after you see this 100-200 times you will hate traps just as much as the rest of us..

At least on dh, fighting a full trapper is as simple as popping shield of courage before you port on him.

I think the issue that some players have is that while DH can be countered 1v1 fairly easily, it gets more difficult when you add in other players. There are classes that have a lot of access to CC which can make it difficult when they’re teamed up with a DH or two. This could easily be countered with an organized team for sure, but for the majority of players, they will not have access to that.

DH represents maybe a small step above the turret engineer from a few years ago. The majority of their damage comes from traps which deal fairly moderate damage with low cooldowns. They also have a lot of blocks and other methods to mitigate damage which makes it difficult to kill them in a fight unless they’re focused. They’re essentially a class that excels in unorganized PvP that has a lot of sustain and moderate DPS with a very low skill level and effort needed.

Yeah, I wasn’t trying to show that I am good. I just think it funny how most DH players play the class. As you guys can see, I basically negate all of his traps without dropping any HP. The class is balance, people just need to use their Brains. If a DH is on point, 99% he already has a trap. So just play accordingly.

People can’t tell I’m trolling with all those twitch emotes and meme apparently.

DH waiting to get shot down …
I paly ele and use scepter. Range and some trap sense and they are easy. Ah and have an autostunbreaker for the pull XD ….

Tatsuya.9071:

I think you guys are misunderstanding him. I watched his stream and he is very decent at multiclassing. I think he is trying to say that the players who complained about DH being OP just need to learn to dodge. Just worded it in a weird way. I watched the full highlight of that match and he did carry with his rotations on mesmer. He is just messing around I think, if yall want an idication of real gameplay watch his rev highlights.

Your joking right?

Dude post a 28 sec video of him losing by 300 points and to kick the dog, he wins a 2 vs 1 vs a DH who is clearly spamming traps.

The DH literally doubled down on his traps just a few feet from one another when both players popped out.

Seriously this is why this forum cant have a serious debate about anything. Your sitting here trying to defend that. I should post a vid of me winning 1 vs 2 on full trap ranger, rifle warrior, or MM necro and then tell everyone to L2P.

Yet when i face kaypud when hes on necro ill lose, or when i face paul on my ranger ill ose or when i see tarcis on my warrior ill lose.

Ill say it again, hes telling people to L2P in a video where he is losing the match by 300 points and he won a 2 vs 1 in UNRANKED.

Do you guys even PvP bruh !!!!!!!!!!!!

xKratos.4758:

Yeah, I wasn’t trying to show that I am good. I just think it funny how most DH players play the class. As you guys can see, I basically negate all of his traps without dropping any HP. The class is balance, people just need to use their Brains. If a DH is on point, 99% he already has a trap. So just play accordingly.

People can’t tell I’m trolling with all those twitch emotes and meme apparently.

Im sorry this just isnt a good showing for a whole bunch of reasons.

Most of all its a 2 vs 1. Another is he is sitting there in his traps and to put icing on the cake he spammed all his traps.

There is a reason people complain about traps and its because this dude is winning the match by 300 pts playing like that.

Your not the only person running some odd unranked build, the question is can you run it and still dominate your games?

kdaddy.5431:

Tatsuya.9071:

I think you guys are misunderstanding him. I watched his stream and he is very decent at multiclassing. I think he is trying to say that the players who complained about DH being OP just need to learn to dodge. Just worded it in a weird way. I watched the full highlight of that match and he did carry with his rotations on mesmer. He is just messing around I think, if yall want an idication of real gameplay watch his rev highlights.

Your joking right?

Dude post a 28 sec video of him losing by 300 points and to kick the dog, he wins a 2 vs 1 vs a DH who is clearly spamming traps.

The DH literally doubled down on his traps just a few feet from one another when both players popped out.

Seriously this is why this forum cant have a serious debate about anything. Your sitting here trying to defend that. I should post a vid of me winning 1 vs 2 on full trap ranger, rifle warrior, or MM necro and then tell everyone to L2P.

Yet when i face kaypud when hes on necro ill lose, or when i face paul on my ranger ill ose or when i see tarcis on my warrior ill lose.

Ill say it again, hes telling people to L2P in a video where he is losing the match by 300 points and he won a 2 vs 1 in UNRANKED.

Do you guys even PvP bruh !!!!!!!!!!!!

But, I won the match…..

Wait you 2 both think that winning the match in the end means something?

You posted a video which is a horrible example for what are trying to say. The post is literally “People who complain about DH, Git Gud Breh” and the example you show is a 28 sec clip of a 2 vs 1 fight and losing by 300 points in unranked …………………………

I dont understand how you could even think this is even making a point.

Lastly everyone knows its about skill. You have ESL players coming out left and right saying the DH meta doesnt bother them at all. Its about the community, the level of play for the majority and how hard a certain class is to play. The Skill floor to the skill ceiling of a player and a class. Everyone knows this, people complain about druids healing, hammer engys bruiser style among other things. Yet something should be addressed when multiple play the DH class and get to a rank they dont belong and when Dh stacking becomes a thing because its simple to play and has huge upside.

Press F3 then rez- A team mate goes down teleport to the enemy trying to stomp and spam traps for dazes- enemy goes down and the enemy team goes in for a rez and you spam traps- its pretty simple.

Lastly there are a few top tier DH and im 100% sure you would not beat them in a 1 vs 1. I dont care who pick kitten or tage either one. Lets say you start seeing them all the time in unranked and you keep losing to them. So you avoid them and go to team fights where your team mates are losing because they are struggling against the 2-3-4 Dh comp. What do you do now?

The reason DH is a problem is because its easy and when a new player picks up a DH and another new player picks up a thief, a ele, mesmer and they walk onto a point and die. It should be looked at.

Posting that you won the match is cute because we all have comebacks, posting about skill/abilities because hes a decent player doesnt mean anything when the video you want to show is straight garbage.

If i brought you a dinner and said the chef is Bobby Flay but its microwaved macaroni. Should i really argue that you need to pay $30 for this food because thats what your doing.

dh is out numbered and doesn’t look like the person is all that great with dh. yes there are people that bad. even worse.

Tatsuya.9071:

kdaddy.5431:

Tatsuya.9071:

I think you guys are misunderstanding him. I watched his stream and he is very decent at multiclassing. I think he is trying to say that the players who complained about DH being OP just need to learn to dodge. Just worded it in a weird way. I watched the full highlight of that match and he did carry with his rotations on mesmer. He is just messing around I think, if yall want an idication of real gameplay watch his rev highlights.

Your joking right?

Dude post a 28 sec video of him losing by 300 points and to kick the dog, he wins a 2 vs 1 vs a DH who is clearly spamming traps.

The DH literally doubled down on his traps just a few feet from one another when both players popped out.

Seriously this is why this forum cant have a serious debate about anything. Your sitting here trying to defend that. I should post a vid of me winning 1 vs 2 on full trap ranger, rifle warrior, or MM necro and then tell everyone to L2P.

Yet when i face kaypud when hes on necro ill lose, or when i face paul on my ranger ill ose or when i see tarcis on my warrior ill lose.

Ill say it again, hes telling people to L2P in a video where he is losing the match by 300 points and he won a 2 vs 1 in UNRANKED.

Do you guys even PvP bruh !!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you even read a full paragraph before typing a thesis being super edgy? He comeback on that game vs 2DH so I don’t think DH is the problems. It’s the players skills. Most people just looking for something to blame for their incompetent and DH is this meta scapegoat. Watch, they will nerf DH and Bring soloQ/DuoQ in and people will still find a scapegoat to convince themselves that they’re the victims. Most of the time, it the players skill that holding themselves back, not a class or meta.

I wanna agree with this one.

Once I was in a match with a very verbal player, we where playing against 2 DHs. Usually I ended up together with this player against these two DHs and everytime he jumps right in to the DHs and dies in 2 seconds and starts to complain about cheesy DH builds and how dumb these DHs are becouse they cant play and yadayada.

Well I started using this player as a minesweeper and fought the DHs alone and did a good job. Yes though there where times when I wasn’t prepared for a trapspam and got downed but these 2 DHs was not hard to fight, the verbal player was right in a way, the DHs used cheesy builds but the verbal player was realy bad as (s)he didn’t learn from the mistakes and instead just accused the DHs for playing lame builds.

So, in my opinion:
- DH Trapspam buils are lame builds.
- To fight a DH is a LTP thing.
- If you rush a DH without any defences I would advice you to ‘Git gud’.

I think he is right. DH is my favourite class but it is easy to counter. In my opinion it is really weak, compared to my chrono, druid or daredevil. But maybe I am better at those professisons.

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kdaddy.5431:

The reason DH is a problem is because its easy and when a new player picks up a DH and another new player picks up a thief, a ele, mesmer and they walk onto a point and die. It should be looked at.

I agree with some things you said, and agree with kratos a bit too. But this quote seems to prove that if you struggle against DH, don’t blame the class.

Worst case: DH will have 5 traps down, and all 5 off CD and ready to drop again.
ALL CLASSES:

• Full endurance gives you two dodge rolls, use them.
• Any ranged attacks keeps you out of traps
• pets/minions/clones set off traps

1. Ele

• Mist form
• armor of earth
• arcane shield
• lightning flash
• obsidian flesh

2. Rev

• riposting shadows
• infuse light
• unrelenting assault
• surge of the mists
• warding rift

3. Thief

• extra dodge
• shadowstep
• steal
• stun breaks

4. Druid

• signet of stone
• ancestral grace
• lightning reflexes
• pet

5. necro

• shroud
• necrotic traversal
• minions
• spectral walk

6. Warrior

• traited endure pain
• util endure pain
• shield stance
• whirlwind attack

7. Engi

• traited elixer s
• util elixer s
• tons of traitable gyro stability
• rocket charge
• shock shield
• gyros will set off traps

8. Mesmer

• clones set off traps
• distortion
• echo of memory + deja vu
• continuum split
• illusionary counter
• blurred frenzy
• blink

9. DH

• shield of courage
• spirit weps if that is your thing
• shelter
• renewed focus
• a lot of aegis
• shield of wrath

Overall my point is trap guard are super easy to counter, put some thought into it and don’t sit on top of traps and you will be fine.

JordanJD.3209:

kdaddy.5431:

The reason DH is a problem is because its easy and when a new player picks up a DH and another new player picks up a thief, a ele, mesmer and they walk onto a point and die. It should be looked at.

I agree with some things you said, and agree with kratos a bit too. But this quote seems to prove that if you struggle against DH, don’t blame the class.

Worst case: DH will have 5 traps down, and all 5 off CD and ready to drop again.
ALL CLASSES:

• Full endurance gives you two dodge rolls, use them.
• Any ranged attacks keeps you out of traps
• pets/minions/clones set off traps

1. Ele

• Mist form
• armor of earth
• arcane shield
• lightning flash
• obsidian flesh

2. Rev

• riposting shadows
• infuse light
• unrelenting assault
• surge of the mists
• warding rift

3. Thief

• extra dodge
• shadowstep
• steal
• stun breaks

4. Druid

• signet of stone
• ancestral grace
• lightning reflexes
• pet

5. necro

• shroud
• necrotic traversal
• minions
• spectral walk

6. Warrior

• traited endure pain
• util endure pain
• shield stance
• whirlwind attack

7. Engi

• traited elixer s
• util elixer s
• tons of traitable gyro stability
• rocket charge
• shock shield
• gyros will set off traps

8. Mesmer

• clones set off traps
• distortion
• echo of memory + deja vu
• continuum split
• illusionary counter
• blurred frenzy
• blink

9. DH

• shield of courage
• spirit weps if that is your thing
• shelter
• renewed focus
• a lot of aegis
• shield of wrath

Overall my point is trap guard are super easy to counter, put some thought into it and don’t sit on top of traps and you will be fine.

See heres the problem with your post and people straight saying get gud, its really not that simple.

Of course when you play a bad DH you can simply dodge into a trap and out but a good DH doesnt place his traps right on the point when you see him.

In the ESL league toker was on thief on the temple of the silent storm and the traps were placed on the stair way where he was downed and someone came to kill him since no one was there.

Honestly if i played DH seriously i would know when to drop traps against high level players. Right now i dont even play DH other then dailys and i run 4 traps and i tend to steam roll newer players or people trying new stuff.

The video posted is of a DH spamming traps ONE OVER THE OTHER AT THE SAME TIME.

Everyone coming in here talking ohhh i beat DH people all the time, guess what there are a few elite ESL players who played DH and im 99% sure you guys cant beat them in 1 vs 1 when they play DH.

PvP isnt about stuffin the numbers and throwing out things that potentially work. Its about the skill level of the player and the skill ability of the class. Simply put this video is of a average player playing against a average DH who played his traps all wrong. Do not use bad game play to use as a example for ESL level players or the majority of the community.