Guild Wars 2

This has gone on long enough now, please ANET?

Hmmm… no.

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

Mediocre counterplay to stealth until the scrapper is released. eyy

GrandHaven.1052:

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

because it is not a bug, but intended feature.
why should it be fixed?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

GrandHaven.1052:

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

because it is not a bug, but intended feature.
why should it be fixed?

Based on what?

GrandHaven.1052:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

GrandHaven.1052:

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

because it is not a bug, but intended feature.
why should it be fixed?

Based on what?

Divination.

Velimere.7685:

Divination.

He will get his Hogwarts invite soon!

GrandHaven.1052:

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

It should not be changed because there needs to be something to counter overpowered mechanics like PU stealths in a PvP environment. Are you seriously denying that a Mesmer or Thief should be able to perma stealth spike everyone they desire without the targets having any chance to even notice you?

I am really sick and tired of people like you that have no idea about balancing a game and yet demand their classes and playstyles to be borderline overpowered.

Tell me the reason WHY it should be “fixed” and I shall laugh.

D I V A

D I V A.6018:

It should not be changed because there needs to be something to counter overpowered mechanics like PU stealths in a PvP environment. Are you seriously denying that a Mesmer or Thief should be able to perma stealth spike everyone they desire without the targets having any chance to even notice you?

I am really sick and tired of people like you that have no idea about balancing a game and yet demand their classes and playstyles to be borderline overpowered.

Tell me the reason WHY it should be “fixed” and I shall laugh.

D I V A

Let us not get personal? Even though civilized conversation is rare on the internet.

While i agree that spiking ppl down from stealth is not cool, i believe that the dmg on mesmer needs toning down, specifically mind wrack. NOT stealth, you can’t win a game from stealth.

I also think you don’t know thief very well and complain about it because of that misinformation.

There is PLENTY of counterplay being added to stealth with HoT, some of which is going to make playing Thief, which is much more reliant on stealth than mesmer, hell.

I don’t even main thief, but i recognize issues with the game that are not healthy, that doesn’t make it MY playstyle. So just stop…

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Hmm stop just stop please ur making fool of urself…. permanent blind lol it has 120 range so all auto attacks have more range than this…. small tip don’t stand in it… and eaven if you stand in it the ammount of inisative it needs is alot….

baylock.1703:

Hmm stop just stop please ur making fool of urself…. permanent blind lol it has 120 range so all auto attacks have more range than this…. small tip don’t stand in it… and eaven if you stand in it the ammount of inisative it needs is alot….

Yeah I’m not even willing to respond.

It isn’t even relevant to the post. But he always does this, so no inclination to respond.

And as much as mesmer dps with same gear from 300 range mesmer great sword auto attack makes 5x less damage than warriors great sword auto attack and from over 900 range 2.1x less dmg (yea I know warriors need to be in melee range ) but if we loose burst our dps has to be buffed alot to be on same lvl as rest of classes

baylock.1703:

And as much as mesmer dps with same gear from 300 range mesmer great sword auto attack makes 5x less damage than warriors great sword auto attack and from over 900 range 2.1x less dmg (yea I know warriors need to be in melee range ) but if we loose burst our dps has to be buffed alot to be on same lvl as rest of classes

I would be perfectly happy with that! Greatsword auto is poor and the aftercast has needed fixing for the longest time.

I just think that condi PU has too much defense for its counterpressure and that mind wrack has too much pure power dmg when traited. Welcome to compensate a 10% mindwrack nerf for a 15% auto attack dmg increase.

GrandHaven.1052:

baylock.1703:

And as much as mesmer dps with same gear from 300 range mesmer great sword auto attack makes 5x less damage than warriors great sword auto attack and from over 900 range 2.1x less dmg (yea I know warriors need to be in melee range ) but if we loose burst our dps has to be buffed alot to be on same lvl as rest of classes

I would be perfectly happy with that! Greatsword auto is poor and the aftercast has needed fixing for the longest time.

I just think that condi PU has too much defense for its counterpressure and that mind wrack has too much pure power dmg when traited. Welcome to compensate a 10% mindwrack nerf for a 15% auto attack dmg increase.

I agree on condition mesmer totaly high conditions pressure needs to be tied to crit not to hit what makes conditions mesmer so strong atm

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

Wait a minute – if the opponent is stealthed, you can see their icon on the minimap?

bhagwad.4281:

Wait a minute – if the opponent is stealthed, you can see their icon on the minimap?

I believe it’s just their last location before they went stealth.

Stealth should have never existed since it is a broken mechanic in PvP. I am glad for every way of countering it, so should be all players.
The issues also lies in stealthing classes having the ability to retreat and reset a fight whenever they want to.

It is so broken that I openly and almost exclusively hunt thieves and mesmers down in hotjoin for hours. Until now me and a friend do this by both using “sick ‘em!” and Ak47 them with Longbows.
I am glad HoT will introduce new and more fun ways to effectively and mercilessly hunt down mesmers and thieves in PvP and WvW until those players stop abusing this mechanic.

I hope that makes you understand hpw serious some players are regarding your precious stealth.

D I V A

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

What other ways? Spamming shadow shot? There’s no way to constantly blind someone without completely wasting initiative.

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

What other ways? Spamming shadow shot? There’s no way to constantly blind someone without completely wasting initiative.

http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

What other ways? Spamming shadow shot? There’s no way to constantly blind someone without completely wasting initiative.

http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU

Great rebuttal.

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

What other ways? Spamming shadow shot? There’s no way to constantly blind someone without completely wasting initiative.

http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU

Great rebuttal.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirl_finisher

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

What other ways? Spamming shadow shot? There’s no way to constantly blind someone without completely wasting initiative.

http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU

Great rebuttal.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirl_finisher

Only works if the thief whirls inside black powder (which basically means he has to stand still). It used to be bugged and let the thief move outside the BP while still perma blinding, which was OP but got fixed. A thief standing still in BP whirling is incredibly vulnerable.

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

choovanski.5462:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

there are actually a few ways you can do it.

ah, and like DIVA I support the removal of stealth from the game. it’s too strong tactically.

What other ways? Spamming shadow shot? There’s no way to constantly blind someone without completely wasting initiative.

http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU

Great rebuttal.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirl_finisher

Alright my friend, learn something about thieves. We have access to exactly 3 Different Whirl-finisher. Death-blossom, Daggerstorm and Whirling Axe.
When you talk about “perma-blind” and Whirlfinisher I think you mean the combo with Pistol #5 blackpowder and Whirling Axe. First, you have to Whirl in that combo-field and I ask you why the hell you are staying there? I fought good warris and they never stand there like braindead chicken to eat all the damage EXCEPT they have berserker stance or activate their healing signet to counter conidtions like blind. Interesting, isn´t it? Because a warrior can eat that damage, the thief doesn´t has enough health or armor to survive the warrior damage.
So to get the full combo work you need
1. to hit your steal succesful
2. Having the initiative and the right time to use blackpowder (usual when zerker stance is over/on cd)
3. Whirl inside the small blackpwder-field
4. Having the warri or anyone else staying there like braindead chicken

Btw whirling axe is horrible bugged since a long time ago, when we want do dodge ut of it to cancel it and evade an attack, we cancel it and >loose endurance< but it doesn´t count as dodge so we can get hit.
Long time ago Whirling Axe was also evading btw —> nerfed (for good reason in that case)

How does that sound now?

Seems whenever stealth comes up everyone just thinks OH MY! while back at the ranch by nerfing whats BEHIND the stealth is what matters.

Stealth doesn’t win matches.

I like how people with Rabbit Finishers want stealth removed completely. Let’s all balance the game around inexperience and bad player requests wheee \o/

bliss.4305:

I like how people with Rabbit Finishers want stealth removed completely. Let’s all balance the game around inexperience and bad player requests wheee \o/

You resemble the cancer of PvP balance. You assume everyone not of your opinion must be a " Rabbid Finisher"?? That is both twisted and wrong ^__^
Stealth is such an advantage over classes with zero counter that it acutally makes me sick in real life.
I will continue my crusade on thieves’ and mesmers’ stealthing abuse in hotjoin, tPvP and WvW with vicious fury until those single players decide to play something else. I am capable of doing so in most cases. If you play PvP at all, there is a bhig chance that you raged against me for not being able to perma troll me.

D I V A

bliss.4305:

I like how people with Rabbit Finishers want stealth removed completely. Let’s all balance the game around inexperience and bad player requests wheee \o/

i just don’t like stealth in any pvp games tbh. i’m dragon, not rabbit but it’s not like dragon is hard to achieve.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

Ah, another forum-warrior fighting over a cause he does not understand nor know!

Delicious!

This thread has derailed a little. Funnily enough, every time there is a bug in the game, there are people calling it a feature (I confess that I was kind of hoping it was the case with the mantra bug, since they were much more comfortable to use). Guys, it’s a bug, it will be fixed. Soon, I hope. Get over it.

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

Okay. You step out of the blind field. Now, you are out of melee range and can’t hit him. Now the solution is to switch to a range weapon. The thief can simply just use heart seeker to be immune to your ranged projectiles. Then, he can go around and back stab you. Then you can’t do dps because he is behind you. Now, he dropped another blind field forcing you to get out of that.

Teams use 1-2 stealth classes and 2-4 sustain bunkers, it’s just not right this way,
the only solution I see is to NERF STEALTH, NOW !!!,
so we can finally see teams using 5 sustain bunkers,
oh … wait…

runeblade.7514:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

Okay. You step out of the blind field. Now, you are out of melee range and can’t hit him. Now the solution is to switch to a range weapon. The thief can simply just use heart seeker to be immune to your ranged projectiles. Then, he can go around and back stab you. Then you can’t do dps because he is behind you. Now, he dropped another blind field forcing you to get out of that.

You can even stay inside the blindfield and just press one, some attacks should go through because they changed pulses and interval times. Black powder gives blind on the first shot if it hits (you can dodge it) and the 3 times in a 2sec interval, it was on 1sec interval before it got nerfed. How many hits of hundred blades go through you think? Furthermore most weapons have some ways to reach the thief from far, stun him or evade through the field and make damage (warrior GS 3).

Immune? Not completly when we think about porjectiles hitting thieves sometimes even seconds after he stealthed ranger shortbow AA 1 time cause its quick to remove blind and daze then to interrupt combo or LB rapidfire/knockback, etc).
And overall stealth isn´t “immunity”, I thought we made that clear. I know players able to hit stealthed players by firing blindly into the air with LB (well, he´s a very good thief-main).

He´s behind you? Oh my god, you know what? You know the exact position where he is… O.O
Maybe turn around? block? Make something instead of standing still?

I hope the bug gets fixed.

Invis is good for the game. It gets groups to think about the roations and keep an eye open for players rotating out of fights. I really like it at full premade teams, when there are a lot of pontential rotations. If you get 100-0 out of stealth, you do sth wrong. That doesnt even happen to me if I play a zerker thief (altough this build is not to good, but sometimes fun), not by other thiefs, not by mesmers.
There are lot of stealth counterplays. There are even reveal mechanisms like Analyze at engineers, also there is a reveal buff, so nobody can perma stealth in fight. Also it is not true that you reset a fight by going stealth. A war or ranger, elementalist or engineer can all rotate out of fights and reset them without using stealth, so why souldnt thief and mesmer be able to?. If you can’t handle a black powder field i feel bad for you. It’s a high initiative skill that has slow pulses and a very small radius. If a thief hardseakers you and gets around, stealthes and backstabs you, you clearly kittened up your movement, but you are still alive. If a thief makes such a mistake, he is clearly dead. Thiefs are a lot, but surely not overpowered. Even if you are a “dragon”, you seem to have a lot of problems in term of game mechanisms. Btw, i went from rabbit to dragon in 7 weeks without the use of rank farming servers, so thats really nothing.

If you run around in hotjoin hunting down thiefs because they make you “sick in real life” I suggest getting some help. And truely, I dont play a lot of hotjoin, but I do hope we meet some day. XD

runeblade.7514:

Browrain.7346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

you forgot thief can perma blind with black powder.

quit complaining about stealth being under powered.

it is not.

Is this for real? Please explain how anyone can be perma blinded by black powder without standing still inside of it.

Okay. You step out of the blind field. Now, you are out of melee range and can’t hit him. Now the solution is to switch to a range weapon. The thief can simply just use heart seeker to be immune to your ranged projectiles. Then, he can go around and back stab you. Then you can’t do dps because he is behind you. Now, he dropped another blind field forcing you to get out of that.

Wat?
Not sure if troll or being serious.

Yeah, dont you know the immunity against projectils during heart seeker. I always run the reflection trait with it xD

as far i could see, it only happens when you hide for too long

Tux kitten inguin.3049:

I exclusively play thief and resetting a fight at my will is good for this game because I should be able to just walk away if I don’t feel like fighting anymore. Also 360noscoping someone out of stealth is fair and people can use anti-stealth skills beforehand. (even though they don’t see me)

And truely, I dont play a lot of hotjoin, but I do hope we meet some day. XD

top kek.
If you play GW2 PvP for 7 weeks, I kinda doubt we are in the same MMR, but if we meet, you will most probably remember me very quickly ^__^

D I V A

First of all, dont quote me and change what i wrote!
Secondly, i dont play 7 weeks, i wrote about the past, because it is the past. Learn to read!

You are the one qqing about a gamemechanism that you cannot handle. I dont play only thief, but you, my dear friend, might have never done as it looks.

I hope this is a bug and I hope it will be fixed. Right now it doesn’t really benefit anyone. I think if anything, the stealth user benefits because the map is just loaded with more false information.