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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.

As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.

Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.

So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?

A discussion that wasn’t even prompted by the original topic. So you intentionally went by way of Payne and made this a conversation about how well someone played or didn’t play, when that wasn’t the topic at hand. How this escapes you is becoming more and more evident every passing post.

Your post, about a relevant issue, became nothing more than a l2p response. The action of which is associated with someone being, as you put it, “high and mighty.”

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.

As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.

Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.

So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?

A discussion that wasn’t even prompted by the original topic. So you intentionally went by way of Payne and made this a conversation about how well someone played or didn’t play, when that wasn’t the topic at hand. How this escapes you is becoming more and more evident every passing post.

Nope, the topic in its sell was moot point that had already been discussed and mauled over many times before, I just joined into a discussion within the thread that was going on between payene and the op; how many times must I repeat that before it breaks through ?

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.

As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.

Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.

So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?

A discussion that wasn’t even prompted by the original topic. So you intentionally went by way of Payne and made this a conversation about how well someone played or didn’t play, when that wasn’t the topic at hand. How this escapes you is becoming more and more evident every passing post.

Nope, the topic in its sell was moot point that had already been discussed and mauled over many times before, I just joined into a discussion within the thread that was going on between payene and the op; how many times must I repeat that before it breaks through ?

You joined into a discussion between those two for what purpose? To spout off the “l2p” mantra that plagues people who think too highly of themselves? Again, that only further proves my point.

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I also don’t think that payne tried to justify that air runes are balanced, he just tried to explain the fact that you don’t even do a good job of showing that air runes are what lost you that fight…

Let’s take a look at this little pearl of wisdom. His post and original topic didn’t spout “OMG I LOST BECAUSE OF AIR RUNE PROCS, MUST BE OP”, yet you represent it as such. Again, big headed much?

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You joined into a discussion between those two for what purpose? To spout off the “l2p” mantra that plagues people who think too highly of themselves? Again, that only further proves my point.[/quote]

“you played badly”
“(this isn’t a poke at prince in anyway, because the video provided doesn’t really give a good indication of skill level.)”

In no way did I tell anyone to l2p, all I said was he played badly in that instance; I don’t believe anyone can play perfectly and everyone is prone to making it mistakes and this goes without exception; so please don’t twist my words and make assumptions based on your own insecurities, because I never at any point told the op he was a bad player or that he needed to l2p.
Sorry but it just seems like your a very bitter person, and I have no idea why you seem like you have a bone to pick with me, but don’t distort things.

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I also don’t think that payne tried to justify that air runes are balanced, he just tried to explain the fact that you don’t even do a good job of showing that air runes are what lost you that fight…

Let’s take a look at this little pearl of wisdom. His post and original topic didn’t spout “OMG I LOST BECAUSE OF AIR RUNE PROCS, MUST BE OP”, yet you represent it as such. Again, big headed much?

Yet again, you either have low comprehension or your just bitter, I was saying that is what payene was trying to get across; in his argument with the op that you can see on the first page.

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You joined into a discussion between those two for what purpose? To spout off the “l2p” mantra that plagues people who think too highly of themselves? Again, that only further proves my point.[/quote]

“you played badly”
“(this isn’t a poke at prince in anyway, because the video provided doesn’t really give a good indication of skill level.)”

In no way did I tell anyone to l2p, all I said was he played badly in that instance; I don’t believe anyone can play perfectly and everyone is prone to making it mistakes and this goes without exception; so please don’t twist my words and make assumptions based on your own insecurities, because I never at any point told the op he was a bad player or that he needed to l2p.
Sorry but it just seems like your a very bitter person, and I have no idea why you seem like you have a bone to pick with me, but don’t distort things.
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I’m sorry, I didn’t know going around telling people they played poorly was some type of compliment. In that case, YOU play poorly everytime you log in and you’re a Random that can’t process what’s happening within the course of a match. No need to thank me for the compliment…

Sorry but from my perspective there seems to be something really wrong with you; but when someone tells you played badly in a certain instance, than you either try and justifiy why don’t think you did or thank him for pointing it out and try and improve.
It’s in no way an insult, and we as a team actively try and pin point when we could have done things better to try and improve upon it in the future.
I don’t see anything wrong with telling someone they played badly in a scenario, but as I said I don’t get why you are so bitter.

Regardless im out of time, I’m sorry to see someone like you trolling these forums and hope that you take a different approach in the future.

Thank you and goodbye.

And Xeph still doesn’t get it, lol. I like that you call someone else out on trolling when you are the one who insists on making more and more posts which are off topic.

I know you are from EU Paradigm so there is a chance that English isn’t your first language and some of your lack of understanding can be accepted. However, if English is your first language then you should re-read the whole thread and if you still don’t get it, you should spend some time away from the game and some time working on remedial reading skills.

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Sorry but from my perspective there seems to be something really wrong with you; but when someone tells you played badly in a certain instance, than you either try and justifiy why don’t think you did or thank him for pointing it out and try and improve.
It’s in no way an insult, and we as a team actively try and pin point when we could have done things better to try and improve upon it in the future.
I don’t see anything wrong with telling someone they played badly in a scenario, but as I said I don’t get why you are so bitter.

Regardless im out of time, I’m sorry to see someone like you trolling these forums and hope that you take a different approach in the future.

Thank you and goodbye.

And from my perspective you lack reading comprehension. You see there is nothing wrong with telling someone that, because they can then go back and improve on thier reading skills. That’s what we do all the time on the forums, we try to encourage people to learn and better themselves for future postings.

You see, I don’t quite understand why you’re so bitter at someone trying to help you improve. It’s really just me helping you, or at least trying to help you. Why won’t you help me help you?

Regardless I’m out of time and am sorry to see someone, who thinks so highly of themselves, being brought down to reality.

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the fact that your upset at the rng factor of the air runes and sigils is also a moot point, mmo’s and moba’s alike have always the rng factor incorporated into them, crits and weapon procs have always and will always be around.

My problem isn’t with the existence of RNG in general, but with the amount of damage that the proc causes. MMO’s most definitely have not always had passive procs with that kind of damage potential – and when they did it was mostly due to unexpected stat scaling, which typically got fixed hard and fast.

So nah, it’s not a moot point because the point wasn’t even about the presence of the RNG factor, but the relative strength of the proc.

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Thief and Warrior burst is about equal.. difference is Warrior AoE bursts better and safer and Thief is meant for single-target assassination and/or focus.

Right. @Xeph – the thing is, had the purpose of the thread been to say something about the thief was op you would be well within reason to point out the deficiencies in my performance. However, I did not, nor did I ever at any point give reason to believe I was oblivious to this fact. Yet even after conceding this fact that was obvious, you segue away from topic to underscore this point again. And that it was unrelated to the body of the discussion indeed makes it appear like it you had the ‘l2p mantra’ locked kittened and ready to rock.

Its like a conditioned response. Obviously there are a lot of people who need to l2p instead of whine but I don’t feel abashed for excluding myself from this category in this instance because anyone can see the problems with rendering issues and massive air rune crits.

I would also add that there was in fact a rendering issue clearly shown in the video and it is clearly a problem. The other part about a thief being able to attack from stealth continually and miss indefinitely is certainly a mater that should be up for deliberation. I do not believe this is reasonable, yet I acknowledge it is a game mechanic working as designed currently.

And for the record I would never complain about losing 1v1 in that situation with that build and and utility setup anyway but even if I did I don’t feel it would be entirely unjustified.

I find it really difficult to respect mesmers and thieves who act high and mighty. Many of it’s players want to really act like things are perfectly balanced. With my ele in any number of builds I can 1v1 vs any class also with any number of builds with better than a 9/10 ratio except thief and mesmer. And in any given team fights I will die more to thief and mesmer than any other class. If all classes were supposed to be balanced I imagine the ratio would be proportionate amongst all classes yes? My skill doesn’t suddenly drop when playing against thief/mesmer does it? Why is it the norm to avoid 1v1s with mesmers if possible? Or maybe it’s just that mesmers and thieves are just generally more skilled players? I’m sure thats it.

Are mesmers and thieves allowed a special raid boss status that gives them the ok to have this advantage over other classes? I think not. Warriors are close to this status as well but at least they lack the same level of evasion/invuln measures so they are more managable.

But even then, playing warrior over the weekend seeing the damage output for myself it’s just amazing. Why do churning earth when I can do a whirlwind for as much damage instantly plus evade. Why cast phoenix when I can toss out bladetrail, hit mokittengets and do more damage, why play glass ele when I have 6k less hp, why firegrab when 100b does more damage even if it doesn’t hit every swing. Why auto attack for hundreds or less when aoe cleave on greatsword does 4digit damage. And in general everything with cd/s 1/3 as long as ele. I still love ele and its a strong class but when it comes to damage other classes outshine us completely currently, at least in the risk vs reward area.

Oh but healing! Sure, we can spend 45 points in non offensive trees and get an extra 3k healing when swapping to water – and with scepter/dagger we can spend 2 gcds +cds healing for 1200 or so each while a thief is critting for 1800 on their ranged auto attacks against us.

Anyway, once again, my performance doesn’t affect the topic of the thread but since it was forced as a subject – yes I screwed up and yes I could have won that fight against the thief – all the same however, I wouldn’t have made a complaint thread about the loss of the fight in and of itself but since that is how it is construed anyway, please don’t kid yourself to think things are balanced already.

You’re correct though, nobody is perfect and mistakes will be made, just leave it at that. I don’t feel like a thread must absolutely stay on topic but at this point the detour made is just into drama and adding nothing of substance to any particular issue or point. I don’t take anything said here personally though I appreciate those who have had my back in this thread but would really like it if everyone would let at least the personal banter reside at this point.

Moving on, and in sumary:
General consensus is: Air runes are broken and indefensible in their current state, yes? Payne stated he doesn’t agree with this however so it has some supporters.
Rendering bug – Working as intended? Nope. To be fixed? Will be fixed next patch. Awesome.

Other substantive matters broached:
Attacking while stealth and not being revealed until an attack lands. – Working as designed clearly. Is it game breaking? Not in my opinion. Is it a good mechanic? Not in my opinion. Was the scenario in my vid intended? Probably not. Would they spend the time to change it? Probably not.

Air runes? Will they be removed? Probably not. Will they be nerfed? Almost certainly.
Fire sigils? Probably fine tbh. Damage % stacking with such proc features need to be looked at imo.

RNG? Obviously a common feature in most games of this nature but there is obviously a difference between things like crit which quickly average out over time, and a proc of this nature that can essentially decide the outcome of a fight.

Honestly, I’d rather they fixed some of the more glaring issues with bunkering/portals and Svanir exploits before these.

I’ll agree the damage from Air is broken, as well as the stealth mechanics being suboptimal for the gameplay—but saying that it’s indefensible is an over-exaggeration. Yes, thieves do an incredible amount of burst with specific openers—but it’s already been said that it is being toned down. With that said, it’s still hard to bring certain professions down in a timely manner.

In my opinion, if appropriate changes to these runes/burst are made—and bunkers/portals aren’t brought in line, the game will be more of a cluster than it already is. I think anyone who plays at a high level will agree that the amount of 4v4 or 5v5 team fights lately have consumed way too much time in these matches. Looking back to weeks ago, it took a lot more team work and individual skill in having occasional large fights and many small 2v2 squirmishes. Mobility is pretty insignificant currently as bunkers can still hold off uneven numbers and portal can instantly traverse half the map. (/rant)

Having played with the parties involved here (mainly Prince/Seether and Payne), it really seems like a breakdown of communication in text that is causing this “drama”. It’s important to keep in mind that the grass always seems greener on the other side. Good thief players see and experience situations that good ele players don’t; and vice versa.

I only said that air runes were indefensible in their current state, not stealth; of which I stated is essentially working as designed and likely to remain as is.

But I agree on many levels. Portals I do believe is a major issue. It illegitimizes mobility classes and promotes the zerg aoe fights you mention. And currently AOE is > skill.

And bunkering really is over the top.

Wasn’t aware of svanir exploits though.

You’re also correct about the communication breakdown. I have enjoyed playing against many of the posters here and I would hate for this thread to become a source of contention and hostility in future matches.

Rofl, I’ve never noticed that rune before…Wonder how many times I’ve eaten it because of that stupid proc.

Still..No person should be arguing for a proc in a game that does 1/4 the health of pretty much everyone but Warriors/Necro’s that you can’t avoid.. and is going to go off every 10 seconds….

That’s just silliness…

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Wasn’t aware of svanir exploits though.

Currently you can break out of the ice block and remain invulnerable while maintaining cap presence and the ability to use skills. It’s especially noticeable when you’re playing against the teams who do run 3 bunkers and exploit it. I’ll stay away from naming names, but most of the players using it have denied doing so (and have eliminated recorded evidence). :P

This thread is entirely stupid. Everyone side stepped the real issue and instead attacked Prince. I’m all for drama, makes for an entertaining read. But that’s all you guys are arguing.

Bottom line is this: air runes are stupid. RNG procs that hit incredibly hard are not balanced and should not exist in a competitive atmosphere. Thieves hit like trucks (while still somewhat avoidable) and warriors hit hard but are almost entirely avoidable.

Also while we’re on the topic of runes, breaking Svanir’s ice block while still being immune, able to cast, and not neutralizing the point, is stupid. Add that to your list, Prince.

Blah blah blah I didn’t hear anything in this thread except maybe attacking during stealth, hit or miss, should break stealth? Sounds like an end to the debate. You shouldn’t be able to take a bow shot and miss and still be invisible… You just gave away your position with an arrow with a black trail behind it… Come on now.

Every other game in the history of video games ends stealth when you attack. Hit or miss.

And about the kitten battle between the OP and the thief. The thief didn’t even start to take a lead in the fight until the endless stealth, rune/sigil proc. It was still dead even up to that point.

I don’t know why people had to bring up that you played badly. Did you play badly, sure did, but who cares, you got hit for half your health by 1 undodgeable skill. Would you have lost to him had that not hit you, couldn’t say, if you were using my build probably not (switch water, dodge, cleansing wave, switch for full health).

I believe stealth should break on attack, including backstab. If you had arcane shield up and the thief remains invisible he could just auto attack it off and proceed to do whatever. If stealth broke on attack he would have had to wait for it end to remain invisible, or attack your 3 blocks full visible. Try fighting thieves whilst in Australia, they can almost always backstab and then get 2 to 3 hits with heartseeker off before destealthing fully.

I believe that the Air rune, sigil and fire sigil should only do the damage listed, not be affected by stats / traits. Or be affected by stats, but not traits. For example, if eles lingering elements was working properly you could have 5% damage to burning, 10% attune to fire, 20% below 25% hp, 10% attuned to air and 20% vs knock downed/stunned foes to boost this to 65% more damage with all those conditions met. Proc air rune with your air sigil off flame grab, and by god would they be dead.

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I like this guys solution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

(That exploit also works for Rangers by the way. And I suspect any other class.)

Hahah – that is so brilliant – and the fact that large parts of the community knows but ANet apparent don’t, only make the irony so much better.

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Jonathan could you give me only ONE reason why fixxes dont come instant?
Why do you wait for them if you know, and fixxed the problem?
Why do you let your community become more and more MAD?

They need to translate the bugfixes into all supported languages first. That process may take considerate amount of time. Please be more considerate. Thank you.

Yes the rune procs are unreal…. I was on my necro in WvW actually winning a fight against a good ele had him to about 1k health I was at around 8k when BOOM im instantly downed….

The kittening rune proc did a little over 7k damage to me…. I have full knights gear exotic so no glass cannon by a longshot.

Im ok with not having healers in GW2…. not ok with GW2 having faster fights high burst then any MMO I have ever played and those had healers….

How the is this ever going to be a skill based game with thiefs and mesmers faceroll city classes kittening up balance?

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Wasn’t aware of svanir exploits though.

Currently you can break out of the ice block and remain invulnerable while maintaining cap presence and the ability to use skills. It’s especially noticeable when you’re playing against the teams who do run 3 bunkers and exploit it. I’ll stay away from naming names, but most of the players using it have denied doing so (and have eliminated recorded evidence). :P

Hmm, I use to run Svanir on my ranger to combat Stealthers..I don’t recall being able to break out of it, But I know you could still use Skills with it.

I would let the Rogue get me down, and then pop my Jag’s Stealth+QZ while in iceblock, often times my Jag could instant gib a Rogue beating on me who wasn’t paying attention.

Wow, this thread is still going?

So, I switched over to scholar runes instead of air runes, and I notice no difference at all at how fast I down other players. I do a lot more damage. For example, on the heavy golem, my cluster bombs went from doing ~2400 crits to ~3400 with over 50% hp, and with myself over 90% hp. Inc scholar rune nerf.

You still don’t understand the difference between damage which can be avoided and damage which can not be avoided?

No I think payne is right on this one – definitely nerf clusterbombs. Good call payne.

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You still don’t understand the difference between damage which can be avoided and damage which can not be avoided?

Good luck avoiding all my attacks.

Prince.3682:

No I think payne is right on this one – definitely nerf clusterbombs. Good call payne.

I am right! Nerf water attunement!

Payneful.7934:

Seether.7285:

You still don’t understand the difference between damage which can be avoided and damage which can not be avoided?

Good luck avoiding all my attacks.

Avoiding some attacks is still better the not being able to avoid an attack.

If this next update doesn’t address all the issues in PvP then I will be done with it entirely. A lot of people are playing just for PvP and when you have only 3 classes dominating with extreme DPS and Burst while the other 5 are barely being used it all, you know something is wrong and needs to be addressed ASAP. However I am very wary on this. There is a ton of hype about Lost Shores and what seems like barely any talk about bug fixes and class changes. Because right now the classes need an overhaul.

Prince.3682:

No I think payne is right on this one – definitely nerf clusterbombs. Good call payne.

Thanks for the great idea, Payne; makes sense considering that Cluster Bomb hits harder than any ability both Rangers’ bows can put out, and it can hit twice, and it has no cooldown)))))))))))))))))).

Prince, don’t worry.

I talked to Jon, he finished fixing the RTL/magnetic grasp issue. RTL will home-in to targets once the fix hits the patch (probably the big one coming up). Pressing 4, 5 and watching it both miss and unable to do anything has been painful.

Once the fix hits…. thieves with no skill will see no light.

Fynd.4890:

Prince.3682:

No I think payne is right on this one – definitely nerf clusterbombs. Good call payne.

Thanks for the great idea, Payne; makes sense considering that Cluster Bomb hits harder than any ability both Rangers’ bows can put out, and it can hit twice, and it has no cooldown)))))))))))))))))).

I like how clusterbomb even completely nullifies ressing. It does more damage than a res does in healing, in aoe. From range. And spammable.

If what you say about RTL is legit, I will have renewed faith in A.net

Fynd.4890:

Prince.3682:

No I think payne is right on this one – definitely nerf clusterbombs. Good call payne.

Thanks for the great idea, Payne; makes sense considering that Cluster Bomb hits harder than any ability both Rangers’ bows can put out, and it can hit twice, and it has no cooldown)))))))))))))))))).

This ^

Make clusterbombs do the same damage rangers can do with either Longbow/Shortbow and watch a whole bunch of QQ threads pop up.

Bottom line thiefs have it super easy since start in comparison with couple others. Not saying they should be nerfed or that I haven’t ran thiefs in group myself. But besides toning down super bunky/bursty builds, classes also need to be come together in “usefullness”.

Xandax.1753:

Rhydian.5412:

I like this guys solution.

(That exploit also works for Rangers by the way. And I suspect any other class.)

Hahah – that is so brilliant – and the fact that large parts of the community knows but ANet apparent don’t, only make the irony so much better.

I can confirm your suspicions with Necro using this exploit as well. (Idk how to play thief at all and just randomly placed traits too, as suggested in video.)

sigh seriously this is getting out of hand fast any decent guild team is stacking air and flameburst runes now for insane burst effects..

its n ot even about skill anymore its just a race who can proc there runes the fastest..

Dps with air/fire, bunkers with svanir lol it’s so annoying.
The really funny thing is that all of these things have been there since beta. It’s good to have useful runes and sigils but with min/maxing all over the place it can definitely be frustrating.

HabibLoew.2590:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Ya, it was a visual culling bug. It will be fixed next patch.

Cheers.

I just want to clarify this post: we have a fix for culling issues in Structured PvP but that fix does not yet extend to other game types.

can’t you hotfix it? I thought the great part of your engine was you could patch on the fly?

Payneful.7934:

Wow, this thread is still going?

I read through the first page and wow people are stupid… Straight up ignoring what you post and coming to weird conclusions.

Yeah I love getting killed in seconds by something I cant see.

I also used the ele/necro exploit.

Thief is one option I found the Mesmer even easier… stopped doing spvp and moved to WvW after i got 340 points my first game as a Mesmer.

So what do we do if the stealth rendering isnt fixed for us… im still experiencing this problem

Prince.3682:

There are actually a couple issues I’ll bring up here and I know it’s been brought up before but here’s a good example of the rendering bug with thief stealth. Some people seem to think it doesn’t happen in sPVP much but it does. Not every time but certainly noticeable.

When the thief stealths, he is able to get off 4 full shots off before even starting to become visible and isn’t fully rendered until shot 5 or 6. His dagger set was on CD from weapon swap but what usually happens is a series of heartseekers from stealth after c/d+bs which makes the.

Next issue is that air runes are broken. I survive the rendering bug to own myself with 5107 crit from their air rune lightning strike. And to rub salt in the rune his fire sigil proced for 1222 on the air crit lol. So 6229 damage just from attacking. Lot of teams stacking fire sigils too for the aoe zerg fights lately. Fire sigil is really strong but air runes are just stupid.

And just as a point of observation and comparison, his short bow auto attack crit for 1408 at the end there while my lightning auto attack crit for 188. (I’m also using berserkers) Ele dps got nerfed hard during and after beta and thieves got brought up big time. Such is life I suppose.

One more issue worth mentioning is warrior bladetrail is hitting for some absurd numbers in in spvp still.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVFg2iWFKmw

You do realize that the air rune proc is 5% right?

Mosharn.8357:

You do realize that the air rune proc is 5% right?

Check post date, this is an ultimate necro post bro.

Ah, when the game was so young….

Xeph.4513:

Pyrial.2917:

@Xeph, so you agree that air runes are broken; yet you tried to derail the post. Glad you admit that your whole post was unneccesary and by virtue deserving of my snide remark.

Well there is no hope when a person decides to be narrow minded, I addressed other issues discussed within the topic, forum threads can be used to discuss various other issues be it that the initial topic was diverted from, it doesn’t mean that I cannot discuss other peoples issues or accusations; these are the forums sir get with the program or just don’t post at all.
Sadly your not even a person worth discussing this any further with, learn to look at the bigger picture next time and have a little more respect maybe people will show it to you aswell in the future.

Translation : I’m trying to think of a good reason why I decided to hijack this topic and turn it into something else but I couldn’t so I’m just gonna say you aren’t worth my time peace!

The topic is clearly discussing existing game bug. The dev have in fact stated that, while some of the points regarding thieves stealth may be working as intended , there was in fact a bug shown in the video and it would be addressed.

The OP was clearly listing everything he believes to be worth inspecting, and you decided to narrow the entirety of his threads down to 1 issue…. which is fair enough.
No one said you couldn’t do that; but then it DOES makes what everyone says about your posting pretty legit – they ARE pretty pointless.

necroed lol

Ya, it was a visual culling bug. It will be fixed next patch.

- 3 months ago.