Guild Wars 2

Buffing mesmers too much Arena Net created a monster profession that can do all and better than others.

Weaken phantasms, extend the cooldowns, bring downed abilities in line with other classes and rework moa so it’s not ‘I win’ 100-0 button.

Thank you.

I’ve been thinking they were too strong, but really, they are starting to get easier to beat. The only real complaint I have is phantasms during their downed state. I think they should go away when the mesmer is downed.

Ashenz.6934:

Buffing mesmers too much Arena Net created a monster profession that can do all and better than others.

Weaken phantasms, extend the cooldowns, bring downed abilities in line with other classes and rework moa so it’s not ‘I win’ 100-0 button.

Thank you.

I feel moa bird is OP (Coming from a Mesmer) But they can’t do everything all at once, They can fill any role if they decide to spec that way and shouldn’t we all have the option to do that?

Moa is just kind of dumb. I mean, you can still dodge away and line of sight, but it does remove one person from a team, turning a 3v3 into a 3v2, which is kind of ridiculous.

Other than that, they aren’t THAT bad. People need to learn the tells on which one is “real”. Super defensive ones are annoying, but other professions specced for super defense are annoying as well.

After I realized I could dodge while Moa Morphed I stopped complaining about it.

Mesmers are fine, bad players are the problem.

Tbh you can easily escape alive if you are moa unless you get stunlocked

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

Mesmers are difficult to play against that’s the whole point of the class. But they are easy enough to figure out, once you learn to pick the mesmer out from the clones, it’s a piece of cake.

Just bad players complaining about a good class. Probably some of the Hearseeker spamming thieves that I go out of my way to kill every sPvP match, they have literally no skill, it’s embarassing.

A mesmer is my main, and I can guarantee you they’re not op, you just need help playing. Mesmers have a very steep learning curve so most mesmers are honestly quite bad anyways, so again you need to evaluate how you play.

On Moa Morph, it may be a little overwhelming in 1v1 but most mesmers won’t even use it in that case, and in larger engagements it really is perfectly fine.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

Ouch. Personal offense. I’m “bad”, you said it, must be true, even though you probably never met me. Sure.

Anyone has anything else constructive to say? Forums are craving for such interesting posts.

Anyway

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

And what profession do you play?…

Prelude.3817:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

Ouch. Personal offense. I’m “bad”, you said it, must be true, even though you probably never met me. Sure.

Anyone has anything else constructive to say? Forums are craving for such interesting posts.

Anyway

I don’t need to see you play, I can judge people based on statements they make. If somebody claimed it is hard to calculate 2×4^5 I would say that they are bad at math. Same thing here, the balance is not optimal but quite decent. All professions have a viable spec or multiple viable specs. Good job Arenanet!

Arheundel.6451:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

And what profession do you play?…

I play a Human Thief, Asura Necromancer and a Norn Warrior.

I am good on my Thief and Necromancer, not so good on my Warrior.

Arheundel.6451:

And what profession do you play?…

You mean professionS right? We know that players who only play/know one class are a joke, will never be truly competitive, and their opinions really don’t matter for much as far as SPvP is concerned.

Titus.9705:

A mesmer is my main, and I can guarantee you they’re not op, you just need help playing. Mesmers have a very steep learning curve so most mesmers are honestly quite bad anyways, so again you need to evaluate how you play.

On Moa Morph, it may be a little overwhelming in 1v1 but most mesmers won’t even use it in that case, and in larger engagements it really is perfectly fine.

A Mesmer is one of the class I enjoy playing the most, and I guarantee you it’s sooooo much better than most classes. You can learn to play it very well after only a few hours, figuring traits, skills, combos, playstyle, pretty obviously.
With good enemy players you’ll have to use a few cooldowns like stealth, blink, or moa if absolutly necessary, very good while stealthed.
But you’ll just chew most players in a few moves. Most classes can’t kill illusions as fast as you can spam them anyway.
Keep spamming!

Seriously, roll a mesmer, it’s soooo good.

Is there a list of Moa Morph skills somewhere, or anyone know them off the top of your head?

I’m usually sitting there with a thumb up my….not knowing what to do when I’m turned into mr. chirpy bird. Is there a dash away or stun skill button?

Moa morph is ridiculous. Otherwise mesmers are ok.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

Boy this guy’s making it obvious. He’s even putting in cheesy emoticons. You think we don’t know that thieves and mesmers have an understanding to not fight each other? There’s really no point, you will never kill the mesmer and the mesmer will never catch you with your ungodly mobility. You both run off instead to prey on less fortunate classes. But it’s OK though, being a self proclaimed “professional thief” really shows your understanding of the game and the overwhelming amounts of skill you must possess.

the only real obvious problem with mesmer is moa at least in pug stuff. I think arenanet should definitely nerf it, altho it is fun to immune/dodge it when u see it being cast. Additional nerfs may be necessary also though im not sure.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

I have won gold several times in tournaments, and my hardest class to kill by far on my guardian is a mesmer. Even the ridiculously bad rank 5 mesmers can still kill me with half a brain.

Chase.8415:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Prelude.3817:

I got Moaed 4 times in a single match yesterday.
Killed a lot of phantasms, not so much Mesmers.
Lots of fun.
Mesmer sure is strangely popular nowadays.
Wonder why.

Bad PvP Players complaining, what’s new? There is this mechanic called “Dodge” and there is this thing called “movement”. Pay attention and you will have it much easier against mesmers

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

I have won gold several times in tournaments, and my hardest class to kill by far on my guardian is a mesmer. Even the ridiculously bad rank 5 mesmers can still kill me with half a brain.

mesmer has been an amazing 1v1 class for the entirety of their existence, and guardians are pretty amazing themselves at 1v1ing other classes. Seems somewhat hypocritical for you to complain because of this but ye, mesmer > guardian in 1v1s and guardian is still the better, more necessary tournament class.

Too many people think Mesmers are OP, they are not and you must learn how to fight them. Here’s some tips:
-Learn the animations, you can dodge Moa.
-If phantasms are doing too much damage then kill them.
-Downed state’s fine, practice fighting against mesmers. Here’s a hint: Nine times out of ten the first downed mesmer you see isn’t the real mesmer! Shocker!
-If you’re inflicted with confusion don’t keep spamming skills like an idiot
-Don’t shoot in a feedback bubble
I’m a mesmer and usually people inexperienced with fighting mesmer’s will get destroyed so if you learn how to fight us then you should be able to hold your own, stop crying for mesmer nerfs guys

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Pro Up and dominate in game or stay Bad and QQ on the forums, which choice will you make?

Oh lord, that in combination with your signature made my week.
You better start playing in the mlg, too.

Mesmers are only as good as their openent is bad. Once you figure out how to mark the “real” mesmer they aren’t all that difficult to beat. Killing them might be tedious due to thier abilty to run away. If your’re a class that has any decent AoE you can kill the clones faster than they are spawned so again, you dont even need to figure out the real one just kill lthe ones thats left.

As for Moe Morp: 4m CD that roots you during the long induction. The skill is fine, the only real use is annoying downed players and ninja morphing players while they fight other players.

I’ll join the QQ bandwagon and agree that something needs to be done about Mesmers.

The cooldown on illusions/clones needs to be higher, because repeating their clones > stealth > heal rotation ad infinitum puts them a notch above all the other professions in terms of survivability.

Add a good damage output to a class that can reach immortality if played by someone who has a clue, and you get the most popular PVP class in the game.

So yeah, higher cooldowns plz.

edit: btw, I play mostly Engineer and Necromancer.

mesmers 2 skill while downed isn’t very good its obvious which one is real.

As an Engineer and Warrior I have no troubles with Mesmers. I also play a Mesmer.

Half of this thread doesn’t seem to understand what a Mesmer can even do.

SuperSpicyCurry.2415:

Too many people think Mesmers are OP, they are not and you must learn how to fight them. Here’s some tips:
-Learn the animations, you can dodge Moa.
-If phantasms are doing too much damage then kill them.
-Downed state’s fine, practice fighting against mesmers. Here’s a hint: Nine times out of ten the first downed mesmer you see isn’t the real mesmer! Shocker!
-If you’re inflicted with confusion don’t keep spamming skills like an idiot
-Don’t shoot in a feedback bubble
I’m a mesmer and usually people inexperienced with fighting mesmer’s will get destroyed so if you learn how to fight us then you should be able to hold your own, stop crying for mesmer nerfs guys

Too many people think Elementalists are OK, they are not and you must learn how to fight them. Here’s some tips:
-Learn the animations, no need to dodge anything, doesnt hurt.
-If Elementals are doing too much damage then kill elementalist.
-Downed state’s fine, just finish him/her

I’m a elementalist and usually people inexperienced with fighting elementalist’s wont get destroyed so if you keep going then you should be able to hold your own, stop crying for ele changes guys

Just leave if more then 1-2 mesmer in game…its just stupid with 3mio illusion and sh…
I have no problem with thief or warrior but too much mesmer in a spvp match it just annyoing and stupid!

SuperSpicyCurry.2415:

Too many people think Mesmers are OP, they are not and you must learn how to fight them. Here’s some tips:
-Learn the animations, you can dodge Moa.
-If phantasms are doing too much damage then kill them.
-Downed state’s fine, practice fighting against mesmers. Here’s a hint: Nine times out of ten the first downed mesmer you see isn’t the real mesmer! Shocker!
-If you’re inflicted with confusion don’t keep spamming skills like an idiot
-Don’t shoot in a feedback bubble
I’m a mesmer and usually people inexperienced with fighting mesmer’s will get destroyed so if you learn how to fight us then you should be able to hold your own, stop crying for mesmer nerfs guys

Let me make this a bit easier to understand for those who aren’t following:

1. You need to observe the mesmer and their clones individual animation to learn which one is the real one. Meanwhile mesmer doesn’t have to pay attention to other classes animations since they are either dealing damage to you or healing/condition removal themselves.

2. Mesmer has two death delaying skills while downed, one is to vanish and the other is to clone themselves. What you don’t see is that Mesmer has two different skills to prevent them from being finished off. While other classes (other than thief) have one. Unless you are a elementist who has none.

3. If you are confused don’t attack mesmer, meanwhile they will continue to attack you.

4. Not attacking the feedback bubble makes sense.

Make no mistake, I like the concept of the Mesmer class in GW2. They are real magicians now and thats definitely cool in my book. I feel clones are a definitely problem, because when a player finally gets to the real mesmer they aren’t rewarded for doing so. I’m saying, the mesmer doesn’t take big damage for revealing himself. Instead, they can tank relatively well, enough to begin to cycle through more clones. Thus bringing the player back to step 1.

There isn’t enough time between Mesmer having a no clones and having clones up. The gap is relatively low. If any class prematurely uses their skills they are punished, perhaps they will be stunned and die or they blew their condition removal, so now they have a ton of conditions on them. Mesmer loosing their phantasms prematurely doesn’t really punish them.

I’m not going to pretend I know a solution because I don’t. I just hope Anet does something reasonable that still allows Mesmers cool concept to stay the way it is.

I like how everyone has excuse not to nerf mesmer – Spot between clones its easy to down mesmers.

Bottom line Mesmers and thief ruining the game right now because of the class easiness. If you think mesmers take skill you are sadly mistaken. Phantasm build mesmers need a HUGE pet nerf. When the illusionary can chunk 14-25k hp during its life time we have a problem. When we have beserker, warlock and rogue all 3 on enemy plus the mesmer it is literally 2v1 ing the oponent,

Mesmers need a HUGE nerf but its only their phantasm build

With 2.4k armor, mesmer illusions can hit me for 3k a pop (6 hits, 18k damage from 1 button why?). I think they need to micro manage their illusions instead of set it and forget it. 1 set of mesmer illusions combined with his clones is godkittenannoying. That on top of their already strong skill set puts them over the top. Moa bird is also a pretty much 1v1 I win button.

The only problem I have with their downstate (besides being annoying as kitten and ‘anti fun’) is that I’ve had 1 teleport to the other side of a wall…

Mesmers need nerfs, but not huge ones. Moa needs to have its duration cut in half and its cooldown cut in half. Phantasms (particularly duellist, swordsman, berserker) need their damage toned down a bit, and possibly have slightly higher cooldowns.

That’s it. Mesmers would be in a really solid spot without being OP with those changes.

Aza.2105:

SuperSpicyCurry.2415:

Too many people think Mesmers are OP, they are not and you must learn how to fight them. Here’s some tips:
-Learn the animations, you can dodge Moa.
-If phantasms are doing too much damage then kill them.
-Downed state’s fine, practice fighting against mesmers. Here’s a hint: Nine times out of ten the first downed mesmer you see isn’t the real mesmer! Shocker!
-If you’re inflicted with confusion don’t keep spamming skills like an idiot
-Don’t shoot in a feedback bubble
I’m a mesmer and usually people inexperienced with fighting mesmer’s will get destroyed so if you learn how to fight us then you should be able to hold your own, stop crying for mesmer nerfs guys

Let me make this a bit easier to understand for those who aren’t following:

1. You need to observe the mesmer and their clones individual animation to learn which one is the real one. Meanwhile mesmer doesn’t have to pay attention to other classes animations since they are either dealing damage to you or healing/condition removal themselves.

2. Mesmer has two death delaying skills while downed, one is to vanish and the other is to clone themselves. What you don’t see is that Mesmer has two different skills to prevent them from being finished off. While other classes (other than thief) have one. Unless you are a elementist who has none.

3. If you are confused don’t attack mesmer, meanwhile they will continue to attack you.

4. Not attacking the feedback bubble makes sense.

Make no mistake, I like the concept of the Mesmer class in GW2. They are real magicians now and thats definitely cool in my book. I feel clones are a definitely problem, because when a player finally gets to the real mesmer they aren’t rewarded for doing so. I’m saying, the mesmer doesn’t take big damage for revealing himself. Instead, they can tank relatively well, enough to begin to cycle through more clones. Thus bringing the player back to step 1.

There isn’t enough time between Mesmer having a no clones and having clones up. The gap is relatively low. If any class prematurely uses their skills they are punished, perhaps they will be stunned and die or they blew their condition removal, so now they have a ton of conditions on them. Mesmer loosing their phantasms prematurely doesn’t really punish them.

I’m not going to pretend I know a solution because I don’t. I just hope Anet does something reasonable that still allows Mesmers cool concept to stay the way it is.

you are wrong on several of your points m8. firstly yes mesmer needs to learn other class animations, same as everyone else. Dodging things like hundred blades, traps, bombs, dagger/dagger ele burst is important, and claiming u need to learn animations of clones b4 u can distinguish between them and the mesmer is just absurd. spells other than auto attack being used, weapon swaps, healing, changing direction, strafing/backpedalling are all obvious indicators of who the true mesmer is. if you are losing to mesmers because u cant tell apart the real mesmer then you are losing because of ur own failings.

secondly the mesmer escape ability whilst downed is just 1 ability. the other attacks we have are all either dmge or bandage.

wtf is 3 about srsly? thats just a dumb statement. losing mesmer dmge is as possible as any other class, and even bunches up clones so u can cleave them.

and mesmers die pretty fast if u hit them and only them. you are probably just doing something wrong thar.

“Mesmers need nerfs, but not huge ones. Moa needs to have its duration cut in half and its cooldown cut in half. Phantasms (particularly duellist, swordsman, berserker) need their damage toned down a bit, and possibly have slightly higher cooldowns.
That’s it. Mesmers would be in a really solid spot without being OP with those changes.”
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I would add fixing the downed state for mesmer which is currently ridiculous.

I main an elementalist, and I’ve played 100+ games as a mesmer; I’ve probably played more games as mesmer than most of the bad players saying they are fine. Mesmer is so much easier to play with, and way less stress. I win 2v1s all the time on the mesmer, which is really hard on the elementalist.

1. It’s not easy to kill mesmer illusions, I take the signet that increases their health. Once you kill an illusion, a good mesmer has already pulled out another one.

2. If you learn to switch weapons quickly you’ll have a constant stream of phantasams. I don’t even bother pulling out clones after the first one because they will dequeue my phantasams.

3. Mesmer has a butt load of control. On the spec I run I have two stuns, a blind, and a daze all on short cooldowns.

4. Mesmers are very tanky with blurred frenzy, stealth, and high regeneration uptime.

5. If I pull out moa it feels like cheating.

The only problem with mesmer I’ve found is that I get too brazen, because it’s so strong, I get myself into situations I probably shouldn’t be in.

quote: “I main an elementalist, and I’ve played 100+ games as a mesmer; I’ve probably played more games as mesmer than most of the bad players saying they are fine”

You re probably 10x more exprienced than any avg player, therefore what seems easy for you its completely messy for them …
If you played mesmer 100+ games u know they are either tanky and do no dmg or extremely squishy (but yea they have good evades/cc) when they go dps. Hint, hint!!

The fact is (and this apply to ANY class) that once u played a mesmer enough to get to understand how they work then u can beat them really easily (again same goes for other classes).
BUT … If u prefer to cry and complain u kept hitting the clones then keep crying thats how the class was designed if ur dumb then u gonna hit the clones over and over.

So far i played : elementalist, rogue, ranger, mesmer, warrior, guardian, necro .. got decent rogue/mesmer/necro builds and tactics (for the new player I am), but didnt get effective at all with other classes yet lol

But all in all its more that knowing ur ennemy is a very important part of this game.. for sure.

So.. before the most recent Balance Adjustments.. these threads were all about Thief. Then the Thief was adjusted and now all attention has shifted to Mesmers. Should Mesmers be adjusted.. is there a pool on which class is next after that? Will it be Warriors again? Or perhaps Guardians? All joking aside though, “X class is OP” threads before even 1 month of live gameplay should be shutdown alongside other launch thread gems such as “This game vs. That game” and “OMG I hit max level in 24 hrs and now I have nothing to do!”

Apathy.6430:

Moa is just kind of dumb. I mean, you can still dodge away and line of sight, but it does remove one person from a team, turning a 3v3 into a 3v2, which is kind of ridiculous.

Other than that, they aren’t THAT bad. People need to learn the tells on which one is “real”. Super defensive ones are annoying, but other professions specced for super defense are annoying as well.

Moa is WOW kittenery. It needs to go.

Moa totally stands out among crowd control in the game, which usually only lasts 2-3 seconds. I’m playing Mesmer and I always wondered what this mysterious build might be that I haven’t found yet, which makes Mesmer OP, but I think it’s just the Moa Elite. Other than that, Mesmer has no I-Win-Button I can think of, neither is Mesmer damage somehow super bursty. I have yet to break 3k damage with one skill, for example.

+1 mesmer is WAY too powerful atm..

“Other than that, Mesmer has no I-Win-Button I can think of, neither is Mesmer damage somehow super bursty. I have yet to break 3k damage with one skill, for example.”
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Let me help you then: illusionary unload alone can dish out as much as 9-10k damage in single burst.

Mesmer downed state is too powerful? Look for the Mesmer with the Red Arrow above there head, that’s the real Mesmer.

Mesmer downed state is probably middling as far as downed states go, the ones worse than it are necro, ranger, warrior, ele from best to worst in terms of bad downed states.

As for the Phantasms power build, yes it definatley needs a nerf or two, they just need to make sure not to overlap the nerf onto condition mesmers who use clones as distractions while conditioning up hoping the clones get killed for extra conditions for there phantasmal warlock to do more damage from.

Mesmers have numerous builds available, I prefer defensive to dps, but a lot of the isuues here are very easy to address if you pay attention, and there burst is NO WHERE NEAR that of a warrior and thief. Tbh most people spec into a pure dps build and then complain when they get burst down as they have zero toughness and a small health pool. Über dps is no good if your dead.

If they are dishing out loads of damage then they have a glass cannon build so target them and the ones who say they can’t, look for the non AI moves (evasion rolls etc.) then target mark them (ctrl + t), then get everyone near you to press T (they auto target them) and burst them down.

Downed state is easy only the real one has a red triangle mark above them. Seriously all classes are op in the hands of a good player against a bad one. A lot of people are still learning about classes. It has been said so much in these forums but the following points are always the prevalent in all these kinds of “X is OP”

1. Team work is a key to S/T pvp, if you are all trying to take down different targets = fail
2. Play to the team strengths if they are zerging points and out DPS you then take the other points. I guarantee a lot of the QQ comes from been out numbered by dps players using CD,s etc.
3. If you are having a problem against a class role it and play it in PvP for a few hours you will learn ALOT!!
If you are too lazy to do the above please don’t come QQing to get classes nerfed because you are too lazy to learn and adapt.

To quote a good film ‘you only get better by playing a better opponent’

Team build up can make such a difference learn to play with the tools you have, a square peg will never fit in a round hole. If they have all melee dps and three of them are stood on a control point don’t run into the middle (your not chuck Norris) then qq when you are burst down.

Sorry this may sound a bit ranty but there are so many this class is OP threads ATM it is getting a bit tiresome.

Another thought comes to mind, is a lot of this “Mesmer hate” also to do with being able to avoid the common burst combos (Steal > Pistol Whip & Hammer KD > 100 Blades) by blinking backwards, Chaos Storming or Chaos armoring?

I wonder if these people are aware that everyone has numberous skills to “avoid” the burst combos.

Thief: Shadow step, blind power, roll for initiative
Engineer: Miniturisation Elixir, Stability Elixir, Shield 4 & 5
Elementalist: Mist Form, Arcane Shield, Armor of Earth

Just a few examples that come directly to mind.

Yeah good point ’ why won’t you stand still while I unload my I win skill on you lmao’

I just experienced the underwater mesmer down state: just…lol
Same Clone/Blink kitten, plus the confusion stacks, but you can’t stomp oO
So I attacked the downed mesmer and died from confusion, while he had blinked 3/4 times.
Sooo broken.

Lols died from confusion, if the only thing that can be complained about is the downed state, then I guess they are not as OP as people say!!