Diamond is full of people who are maybe emerald level at best, due to them smurfing their way up the ranks for most of the season. Changing the algorithm now, when few people in diamond and above have any idea what they’re doing is completely ludicrous and makes no sense.
For example, I just got matched with four hotjoin level diamond solo queuers who spent the whole match dead, downed, and rotating like blind seals – vs a 4 man diamond and legendary queue who outclassed them in every way. This is unplayable and even worse than before.
Please, just revert yesterday’s changes. The season is almost over, you can carry out your experimental adjustments then. This really isn’t fair on your players
Just want to stress they got Outplayed by RUBY Division….
1. Manipulate the system to climb the ranks is “fair”.
2. Removing that ability is “unfair”.
No its unfair to apply the changes Mid season – as this means that i now have to play with Ambers(diamonds) who farmed their way up there.
Changing this after the season has finished would be fair.
Right now this system rewards those who smurfed their way to the high ranks, and any late comers now trying to reach legendary is getting rammed from behind by anet as they laugh.
they basically rewarded the legendary farmers (we all know who they are) while making it almost impossible for any solo/duo Q players to get to the top.
No, you’re missing the point. Since most people farmed their way to Diamond and Legendary illegitimately, matching them with other people in Diamond results in horrible matches, since they are placed significantly higher than position they would otherwise have had. These guys should probably face lesser skilled opponents than what they are getting now, since they cannot compete- making the game pretty awful for whoever gets matched with them.
Well, there’s also a host of other problems (MM expanding too far, no ability to queue with lower ranked friends and find an appropriate matchup- which was supposed to be a feature of this game tbh, but leaving that aside for now).
This system doesn’t work well with the current league as a result of the previous issues of this season- it should’ve been left as is and fixes should be tested for season two, rather than arbitrarily rolling out untested systems.
you also play against ambers that farmed diamond, no?
if youre lucky enough to get matched up against them, normally they have reasonably low mmr so the pair would essentially have to carry the. I dont believe i have high MMR but the game where they were all DIAMONDS (if the system worked from the get go) they should have been able to put up a decent fight against 1 leg, 2 ruby, 1 diamond + something. but they lost like 500-100.
Match making is broken as usual, nothing new there, but at least dont make amends DURING the season, unless its SERIOUSLY breaking your game….
No, you’re missing the point. Since most people farmed their way to Diamond and Legendary illegitimately, matching them with other people in Diamond results in horrible matches, since they are placed significantly higher than position they would otherwise have had. These guys should probably face lesser skilled opponents than what they are getting now, since they cannot compete- making the game pretty awful for whoever gets matched with them.
Before the changes it was “good” to get matched with these people. (BAD for the players that got matched “AGAINST” these people, but GOOD for their teammates.)
NOW, its “BAD” to be matched up with these people, but GOOD for those that are AGAINST them.
So whats the difference as far as this season goes. Its been a failure balance wise, league wise, etc. Hopefully, with these changes they can at least get more of the “bugs” out of the MM system, so that Season 2 will actually be worth it from the start.
Before the changes it was “good” to get matched with these people. (BAD for the players that got matched “AGAINST” these people, but GOOD for their teammates.)
NOW, its “BAD” to be matched up with these people, but GOOD for those that are AGAINST them.
So whats the difference as far as this season goes. Its been a failure balance wise, league wise, etc. Hopefully, with these changes they can at least get more of the “bugs” out of the MM system, so that Season 2 will actually be worth it from the start.
No, it wasn’t good to be matched with them, tbh. They weren’t particularly helpful, you see?
But they would at least face opponents somewhere around their skill level. Now they… don’t, so they get shredded, much to the displeasure of whoever has the misfortune of getting paired with them. Particularly when its matching them against premades.
Ruby/Diamond/Legendary players would pair up with Amber/Emerald to LOWER thier MMR so they could play easier matches and thus march up the ladder.
If you where on the same team as these guys, you also gained/moved up from this. You moved up “along with the ride”.
NOW, those players are Ruby/Diamond/Legendary and are having to hold their own.
Doesn’t matter how you look at it. People were taken advantage of WHILE they climbed the ladder. And now, people are being taken advantage NOW that they are up at the top.
The system was broken. Asking it to go back to the same broken state isn’t going to do anything except maybe help YOUR situation. There are still people out there who are clawing their way up and have been stomped on enough.
Throw this season away, use the rest of it as a beta to get the kinks out and move on.
Diamond is full of people who are maybe emerald level at best, due to them smurfing their way up the ranks for most of the season. Changing the algorithm now, when few people in diamond and above have any idea what they’re doing is completely ludicrous and makes no sense.
For example, I just got matched with four hotjoin level diamond solo queuers who spent the whole match dead, downed, and rotating like blind seals – vs a 4 man diamond and legendary queue who outclassed them in every way. This is unplayable and even worse than before.
Please, just revert yesterday’s changes. The season is almost over, you can carry out your experimental adjustments then. This really isn’t fair on your players
Just want to stress they got Outplayed by RUBY Division….
And just for clarification, you are certain beyond a doubt that they were able to “smurf” their way up the divisions? And how can you tell this? Because they played terribly for a match?
You did mention they were solo-queuers. So it seems like terrible communication, and bad decisions more than anything. Or they just decided to troll their team for whatever reason. But it seems rather far fetched to claim that they somehow abused the system to get to a higher rank
“You know what the chain of command is?
It’s the chain I beat you with until you
recognize my command!”
The change is awesome. To me it seem less about MMR, carrying, cheating and more about actual tiers and skill. I was stuck in Ruby T2 for 2 weeks supposed to carry total beginners almost every game I played, today I rushed to Diamond in one evening with ease.
Maybe it’s worse in the US, but EU has shuffled the baddies evenly to both teams giving the better players a chance to win, unlike how it was before with pre-determined defeats. @OP: Maybe the problem is youself, ever thought of that?
Diamond is full of people who are maybe emerald level at best, due to them smurfing their way up the ranks for most of the season. Changing the algorithm now, when few people in diamond and above have any idea what they’re doing is completely ludicrous and makes no sense.
For example, I just got matched with four hotjoin level diamond solo queuers who spent the whole match dead, downed, and rotating like blind seals – vs a 4 man diamond and legendary queue who outclassed them in every way. This is unplayable and even worse than before.
Please, just revert yesterday’s changes. The season is almost over, you can carry out your experimental adjustments then. This really isn’t fair on your players
Just want to stress they got Outplayed by RUBY Division….
And just for clarification, you are certain beyond a doubt that they were able to “smurf” their way up the divisions? And how can you tell this? Because they played terribly for a match?
You did mention they were solo-queuers. So it seems like terrible communication, and bad decisions more than anything. Or they just decided to troll their team for whatever reason. But it seems rather far fetched to claim that they somehow abused the system to get to a higher rank
Well. I just had a match in which both sides were legendary and diamond (with one exception on each side).
Temple. The diamonds and legendaries on both sides constantly went for side buffs. Not just once, constantly. Their team even kept going for side buffs when their only point was getting decapped.
Heck, three of them let me grab top buff while they were poring over a dead body.
Am I sure they smurfed their way to diamond and/or that they really don’t belong there?
Um, yes.
The change is awesome. To me it seem less about MMR, carrying, cheating and more about actual tiers and skill. I was stuck in Ruby T2 for 2 weeks supposed to carry total beginners almost every game I played, today I rushed to Diamond in one evening with ease.
Maybe it’s worse in the US, but EU has shuffled the baddies evenly to both teams giving the better players a chance to win, unlike how it was before with pre-determined defeats. @OP: Maybe the problem is youself, ever thought of that?
that comment would be Valid if that was how the season started – I would totally be up for that too, But not Mid way through a season. And for me I’ve felt like ive had to carry these farmers >.<
@OP: Maybe the problem is youself, ever thought of that?
I guess you’re incorrectly assuming this is about losing matches? You realize that (at least) I am talking about match quality in general, right? For example, I won all but one of my matches today and I’m still saying the quality of these matches was awful.
Well, that hasn’t changed. I don’t know why some players who don’t even understand the basics got so high ranking pre-change. Maybe it was all about MMR before, so they flew past the divisions cause they had none to speak off. My experience is the complete opposite to you and your buddy, I had a lot of fun games today, soloq as always, with and against good players who knew what they were doing and no complete blowouts in results as you can see below.
